second one is fail aswell cuz he said jooin the smoke into the earth big bang more like big bong fakery because again why mention earth a lot we are just 1 insignificant dot in the universe why not mention vy canis majoris betelgeus antares milky way
why then does he mention heavens and "earth" i would belive this if he said all the stars our earth were once one then it would make sense but saying the heavens and the earth could be enterprated as something else
I have no doubt that there were many authors from earlier days from which Islam, Christianity and Hebrew borrowed from. Only they left parts out and/or reworded them to suit their own agenda. Examples : The Book of Enoch 300 BC, The 7 tablets of Creation (Ancient Summarian's) 2000 to 3000 BC among many others. Given that the Quran is dated to approx 600 AD, there is plenty of time to borrow writings from earlier Authors. Where are all these earlier books? Conquest : the victor writes history.
Um, since the universe is more than 13 billion years old and the earth is only about 4.6 billion didn't they universal "smoke" come together long long prior to the earth even began to do so? So when did Allah utter these words? More than 13 billion years ago? The Quran kinda sounds like it is saying the universe and earth formed at nearly the same time. Am I wrong?
1. With enough weed, the Quran contains justification for everything. 2. I would interpert those statements as someone saying the earth exists and is connected to the sky. Ok fair enough... good insight i suppose... beyond that, your just leading the witness. According to Islam the Quran contains all scientific knowledge. Including (and i know this is taught in some Islam schools) that salt water and freshwater WILL NOT MIX. This, of course, is bullshit.
Prior to the Big Bang Theory, no muslim, or anyone else for that matter, actually believed that all matter was in one lump that then expanded into nebulae then galaxies, so no, no prophecy here. The verse quoted is much like many other religious myths, with "heaven & earth" being separated by god(s). But there was no actual "heaven & earth" before, during, nor til a billion+ years after the Big Bang. The quote is being retrofitted onto the theory; it is not a prediction.
@ParaSpite Actually, scientists today approve that smoke is a more appropriate term to use than gas. Now in canadian science textbooks, it uses the term smoke opposed to gas when talking about the big bang theory. Surely you do not see that in the way that a Blu-ray player would have its own manual, the Quran is the manual for humans. Muslims believe in the bible, and even the torah, which is probably something you didnt know. It was just edited by man. Only the Quran never changed. Coincidence?
I don't see much similarity at all. And if this is true, then why did nobody mention it until after the big bang theory was accepted, rather than before? it's because they're making links no matter how vague to try to convince people. If that was the intention of that Koran verse to say about the big bang, why did he make it more specific and in scientific terms that we would see as fitting? Because it wasn't anything to do with the big bang in any way at all whatsoever.
Actually, the muslims mentioned it every year and every time. When Islam was introduced to Arabians, the Qur'an became a hobby to most muslims. they read it everywhere they go and finish reading the whole book 12 times a year. The muslims mentioned it quite a lot of times for the last 1400 years ago.. The question is, where were the people when they mentioned the big bang???
@hyunnie91 No, I meant that nobody read that passage and then came up with the big bang theory. Muslims read the Koran for 1400 years, a scientist came up with the big bang theory, then some muslims say "look here, it's similar".
people we must grow up with our though the religion is just exist just like that you can not prove the truth of your religion by evidence of BIGBANG in quoran cus the big bang is just a theory u know theory my be wrong and in this time what can some one like me except ; so please spaek to your god and ask him to give you a super theory of evrythings (dark matter dark energy electron behaivor) that will be a great victory to quran
@MrRichard991 Surely the words typed from your hands are only of falsehood. Did you actually attempt to change part of the quran's verses? There is more to this verse. The rest is "and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." This verse is talking about a war. The bible has incest, rape, murder, and many other things, but do muslims talk about it? No.
@CrazyInvaderX Yes, the Bible has murder et al. That's what's so special about it - it's unbiased. Genocide has been argued as capital punishment - and it makes sense that the non-believers of old were killed in preparation of the world Jesus would walk on.
I haven't read the Quran, so I cannot comment on whether it's biased or unbiased.
@MrRichard991 I read the Qu'ran several times, knowing the original language it was written in (Classic Arabic), and the Qu'ran has some violent things in it as well. But it doesnt make the prophets of god as terrible people, as it says in one story that David made incest with his daughters. In the Qu'ran, the prophets are RESPECTABLE men. REAL men. They protected, and were the mercy to mankind..
why do people thing they are going somewhere when they die, but the monkeys, bears, dogs, cats, whales, birds, roaches, snakes, cows, pigs, horses, cheetahs, lions, girraffes, aligators, and so on... oh no no no.... they dont go anywhere. its just us humans that get to go somewhere when we die. God gave the animals to Adam for food, clothes, and what not, but the religious forget that animals will fuck you up if you fuck with them. this is all about survival of the fittest. no GODS no HEAVEN!
Does it mention Sheldon and Penny? Or does it just talk about the premise of the show? Because I'm pretty sure the guy who plays Sheldon wasn't alive when they wrote the Quran.
I think that the verse in the Koran comes from the stories of travellers on camels that see the horizon, and while the move ahead, they are amazed that it "expands" forward.
The see a hill on the horizon they reach it and still the horizon expands forward.
It's as if the "universe" is continuously expanding.
This is also an explanation of "can the unbeliever not see", anyone can see the horizon expanding but no one can see the universe expanding, the phrase would be ridiculous.
plus that is not the goal 1400 yrs ago they didnt know this stuff so why shud God tell them such things. Nonetheless the Quran was made to suit all times. Islam is the way to happiness in this life and the next.
So the Quran tells us about the big bang, but you Muslims didn't bother to mention it until the theory had been proposed and accepted by the scientific community. Yeah, right. Or maybe it's just an extremely loose interpretation in a pathetic, insincere attempt to validate your barbaric, unscientific religion! Yeah, that's it!
He said "come ye together" they said "we do come together in obedience " That doesn't prove that Allah made the world. You know the Bible in Christnaity is liek that as well. In the beginning there was nothing and God said "Let there be light!" So both cases God creates something. How do u know which one is real and how do you know if God exists and hwo do u know which religion is correct o.0?
You have to be shitting me. Okay let me pwn the fuck out of everyone who believes this here.
Quran Surah (71:19) And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet. (FLAT)
Quran Surah (15:19) And the earth; set thereon mountains firm and immovable
Quran Surah (79:30) Dahaha (means EGGSHAPED). When in fact, it means this: It means SPREAD OUT, but they hide this error by saying it "DERIVED" from the word DUHIYA. And duhiya means a place for nesting ostrich eggs, which is on FLAT GROUND.
@i6o4 please either learn arabic or get an authentic english translation and don't quote half the verse and make up the rest of it.
FIRST. Quran (71:19-20) And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse. That you may go about therein in broad roads.
SECOND. Quran (15:19) And the earth we have spread out, and have place therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion.
THIRD. Quran (79:30) And after that He spread the earth. (((no mention of eggs)))
@tootableable No, you can't translate "Spread Out" to a "Wide expanse". Fooling around with the definitions is a form of dishonesty and it doesn't work. Even if verses are to be "corrected" as you say in other parts, then why would there be an error in the first place? There wouldn't. That's how you know that humans have changed the meaning ever so slightly to adjust it to their own satisfaction to hide lies. Go read your Quran again, it mentions that the Earth is Egg-shaped, but ofc its a lie.
@i6o4 ALSO FOURTH. Quran (27:88) And you will see the mountains and think them solid, but they shall pass away as the passing way of the clouds. The work of Allah, Who perfected all things, verily, He is Well-Acquainted with what you do.
@tootableable said "And you will see the mountains and think them solid, but they shall pass away as the passing way of the clouds. The work of Allah"
Allah? No, it's the work of erosion, and plate tectonics keeps building them back up. Mountains don't fade away. The Quran is wrong again.
A college class in Geology should clear this up for you.
Wow, the devil sure has his plan laid out huh? As for the big bang theory.....disproved, so the quran is wrong. You see....if light produces heat, then as the light spread through the universe, it would cause temperature differences in space....but it is the same temperature everywhere, therefore, all creation had to have happened in an instant. It did not expand as it grew so to speak because there would be variables in temperatures, but there isn't. Science now questions their big bang theory.
@shadapple SERIOUSLY? "It is the same temperature everywhere"? Are you fucking mad? I guarantee you that is is different temperature at my house than at your house, or on the surface of the sun, or in the freezing expanses of outer space. And, btw, the universe is getting colder thanks to the laws of thermodynamics. Also, the universe is expanding as shown by redshift. Heat creates light, not vice-versa. The education system has failed you miserably. Go take an elementary school science course.
@sillymonkey829 You're the one that only sees half the picture by rebuking God and the Spirit. You're denying yourselfhalf the experience of life right at the start. Not too intelligent in my books. No kidding temperature fluctuates near light, but other than that, the temperature of all space are all nestled at the same temperature. So I can also take it that you had no clue whatI meant, nor what I was talking about. Sorry the education system failed you so miserably.
@sillymonkey829 You silly monkey you...The coldest temperature in space is about 3°K above absolute zero. This is defined as the Cosmic Background (or Microwave Background) Radiation that was first detected by Penzias and Wilson using the Holmdel Horn Antenna in New Jersey, USA in 1965. This radiation quite literally is the echo of the Big Bang.....No kidding the temperature is different near light...duh. Let's not get into the education system thing, I'm not as uneducated as you may think......
@shadapple "it is the same temperature everywhere, therefore, all creation had to have happened in an instant" Your words not mine. The temperature in space varies drastically. Don't try to twist your words to make yourself look like you know what your talking about; I can see right through that. And anyways doesn't your fairy tale book say the universe was created in six days? I'd hardly call that an instant. What makes your religion any more true than Hinduism? They're all equally ridiculous.
@sillymonkey829 I'm not twisting anything, you just don't understand what was said, that's obvious.So instead of using your head and figuring out for yourself that I must be talking about something else because even a silly monkey knows you gotta put a coat on in the cold...duh, you just find any way you can to bash ANYONE who believes in a God. So with that, I won't even try to re-explain, or even carry this conversation further because you are obviously just looking to argue...Bye.
@shadapple Temperature varies and that's that. You stated otherwise and that is simply wrong. No need to argue, I'd just like you to justify your beliefs before telling me I'm missing out on life just because I don't believe in something there is absolutely no known evidence for. I don't bash people who believe in god, I correct people who make fallacious claims and refute all kinds of dogma.
@sillymonkey829 You don't believe in something there's no evidence for huh? Yes you do....atheism. There's no proof that atheism is accurate, true, and correct. But the Bible, alllllllll the people in it, allllllllll the locations, the prophecy.....and it is historical fact that YAHUSHUAH walked this planet....look at your calendar....what year is it again? Oh yeah....2011 years after his birth....go figure. And that little calendar on your wall....is more proof than atheism can ever offer.
@sillymonkey829 OH yeah...research the temperature in space, it is 2K everywhere in the shade. Fact. Now iflight supposedly moved through the galaxy like the big bang theory states....that would be impossible. As for the spreading out....you do know we keep time by the sun and the moon right? 364.25 days for every freakin year we've ever kept time. So tell me, which was first...the Earth's gravity that controls the moon, or the moon that controls our tides? Common sense applies.
@shadapple Atheism makes no claims, only rejects theistic ones, and therefore requires no evidence. The bible is full of innacuracies. The thing about the universe that allows us to exist is the fact that matter was distributed unevenly, therefore some places in space are devoid of mass, energy and heat. That implies physics, not anything divine. I have no idea what the length of a day/year has to do with this discussion. Earth's gravity is what trapped the moon in our orbit in the first place.
@sillymonkey829 as for the length of the days, if the planets were "slowing down" from a big bang, throw out the time we have kept. Because they keep perfect time, not slowing down, not speeding up. In fact, they say the moon is moving away from the earth, so where would it have been 2 million years ago? In the earth right? There is no proof of atheism. Like I said, just your calendar with the year 2011 (A.D. In the year of our Lord) is more proof than atheism can ever give. Atheism is crap.
@sillymonkey829 Sorry dude, but by faith you follow atheism. And atheism is only at the most 10% of the world's population, the other 90% believe in a divine creator, so theism is the default position. If you're claiming the moon got "trapped" in the earth's gravity, so you're saying the earth was here first, then the moon showed up...talk about voodoo magic the atheist accuse the Christians of. My theory is a "big bang' would have scattered planets everywhere with no laws of physics at all.....
@shadapple Too bad civilization and agriculture can be dated back to as early as 12000 BC. And yeah, the bible is completely true. Yep. Two of every animal fit on a boat built by a 600 year old man, a woman turned into salt, snakes talked, apples gave us knowledge, god diversified language to thwart the efforts of construction workers, a sea were split, water was walked on and turned into wine, and a zombie floated up to heaven after being dead for three days. Yep. And atheism takes faith.
@sillymonkey829 ..Australia is almost underwater, now Africa is following suit, earthquakes of epic proportions and abundance, birds falling out of the sky, fish dying everywhere, a variety of sealife is washing up by the millions all over the world, of course you haven't noticed, well you've noticed, you just choose to continue in your ignorance because that would mean you to repent of your sins and stop watching porn and partying. And if YAH can create life, I'm sure he can split an ocean. Bye
@sillymonkey829 First off, there's over 300 historical facts from ancient civilizations about a flood. Secondly, the rotweiler and doberman didn't exist then, all dogs and other animals derive from only 2 of each species, which evolution claims, then turns around and rebukes the Ark/flood story. Ironic, they claim "natural selection" started with one, then split off into 2 million lifeforms, but you rebuke the 2 on the ark becoming many species of dogs today...hypocrites. Have you noticed that..
@shadapple Continental drift and the melting of glaciers does not mean the worlds about to end. This stuff happens every so often, get over yourself. People have been calming the end is nigh ever since the concept of "rapture" was made up by humans. Oh, and following your analogy of evolution, that would mean your father was made out of dirt and your mother was made from your father's rib. Really, I implore you to take an evolutionary biology course before you dismiss it as "myth".
@sillymonkey829 Who said it all dates back to 12,000 BC (by the way, whats' "BC" mean again?) You yourself just said "Before Christ" (classic open mouth, insert foot)....the same people that tell you 12000 BC, 1 million BC are the same ones that tell you your Granddaddy was an ape, your Great Grandaddy was a rock, and nothing decided to create 2 sexes so we could create life....hmmmmmm, and Christians are the crazy ones that work on faith...LMAO. We'll see in the end, I'm ready, are you?
@shadapple Just because we use the supposed date of Jesus' birth doesn't mean I believe he's god, dumbass. It's an arbitrary number, and there isn't even any contemporaneous evidence for Jesus' existence. You clearly have no clue how evolution works, either that or your just a dishonest fool who is misconstruing the theory to make it seem unsound. Yes, floods happen, I never denied that. BUT I SAID NOTHING ABOUT DOGS! Even excluding dogs, there are still millions of other species. (cont.)
@sillymonkey829 There are no inaccuracies in the Bible. The Bible puts the earth at about 6000 yrs. And the oldest record of history in all the world dates back to 4500 B.C. (Before Christ). There is no recorded history, nor empire before that. Because of your doubt and misunderstanding of the Bible and your creator, you lose out. It is your choice. We all have a choice, follow the lie or follow the truth. Christians tell you about a satanic conspiracy we're in. Do you believe in conspiracies?
@shadapple Holy shit. You have absolutely no understanding of the big bang theory OR the formation of our solar system. Our solar system formed BILLIONS of years after the big bang, and therefore is not affected by universal expansion. There is no faith involved in atheism; I believe in the natural, observable would, nothing more. As for the moon: ARE YOU STUPID? Have you ever heard of the great impact hypothesis? Or the trapped asteroid hypothesis? Those don't require voodoo magic. (continued)
Your description of the big bang is crude and the quotes are too vague to presume any real knowledge in them, if the quran said something like 'the universe at t=0 was an imensely dense microscopic singularity', and described how atoms formed, or even just gave a decent indication of complexity from simplicity you could make your claims. But it doesn't.... so you can't
@reubz11 well if the quran did have such exact information like the universe at t=0 was an imensely dense microscopic singularity..as u said then EVERYONE will believe in it no doubt..same thing why they ask why doesnt God show us himself and thats not how it should be..cus God is testing us in this life if u believe and follow the right path then u will go to heaven or if u deny the truth then to hell..this short life is a test.
@tootableable Life is too short to live it for someone else. If I were to not believe in God, yet fulfill my life as much as possible, would I be damned? But I find it hard to believe that if I were to believe in God, yet be a total brickhead and asshole that I would find myself going to a better place when I die. Either or, I'm sticking with my logic.
@i6o4 oh so now u think i'm dumb..well, we'll just wait and see who's "dumb" in the hereafter! you don't even know who I am to call me dumb so that just proves how dumb you are..
@reubz11 the Quran is meant to be clear imagine if 1400 years ago there was such complex verses then that would backfire the message ppl ddnt even know the basics of science...so u see that would confuse ppl and they wouldnt accept islam
@tootableable ...that's why religion is for the uneducated and unteachable. Otherwise surely that thousands of verse in the book would have teach human something important...Like VIRUS AND BACTERIA that can't be seen.!!!
..@mykegoh religion is much more important because without it u'll be in hell for eternity and with it you will abide in heaven forever....
Yup tht's d only thing religion has 2offer,incredibly u can't see,u can't touch n u don't have any idea wht its like except 2quote religious texts.
Oh wait, why want 2b in heaven at all if all those tyrant so-called gods who kill on a massive scale are there! If there is hell, i'll chose 2go there in protest of these evil god.
@mykegoh well actually islam is not only a religion it is a way of life there are many things that muslims do everyday that have been provedrecently to be good for ur health like the 5 prayers we do everyday or the sitting down while eating or drinking and tht interest is not allowed in islam and othr stuff
@tootableable No religious text can outbeat any modern science on health, have u heard of MEDICINE and Health food? You forgot to mention how ur book suggest to wash unclean stuffs with sand or earth. Healthy sand or earth?
Five time prayer perday is gd 4 health? Interest is not allowed? Yeah tht's y u'll r regressing in technologies n knowledge.
The power of d internet is going to educate people on d stupidity of religions n sorry to say existing ones wil end like most did.
"that would confuse ppl and they wouldnt accept islam "
Maybe...but at the same time if the verse isn't clear and specific, there is no reason to think it intended to predict Big Bang and not something else.
The rest is just an ad hoc... we can't make the difference between non-miraculous verse with an originially miraculous one which is deliberately vague to test us.
This kind of miracle doesn't make the Quran falsifiable in the 1st place, because due to the very vagueness, the verse wouldn't be considered as "scientifically wrong" if Big Bang was disproven, nothing would prevent other interpretations.
As for 51:47 saying that the universe is expanding: do you really think the ambiguous word 'lamoosi'oona' proves this claim? One word, in one verse of the entire Qur'an.
Ibn Kathir: "With power and skill did We construct the firmament; indeed it is We who create the vastness of space."
Jalalayn: "And the heaven, We built it with might, and indeed We are powerful."
In addition, the next verse refers to Allah as 'Spreader' of the earth, yet the earth, of course, is not presently being spread.
Thank you for once again proving that these dunderheads that prattle on about 'science in the Qur'an' know shit all about science itself. Contrary to Zakir Naik's statement, the singularity was not a nebula. And how could galaxies have formed before stars and planets if galaxies are composed of the aforementioned?
And as for 41:11, the verses before it (41:9-10) talk about the formation of the earth! The translation of 'thumma' in that verse is bs. It means 'then,' not 'moreover.' Bullplop!
its amazing how you had the big bang theory in there all that time but it took you 1400 years to come out and show us but your just showing us now. and after a catholic priest comes up with the theory.
ok, here is the problem, god says something, humans, being vastly inferior, tries to translate and understand, because we are vastly inferior, we cannot maintain the same meaning because our language is so crude in comparsion, thus the message in the vid could have been anything including a random thought that popped up in an arab's head one day.
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Awesome video brother. God bless u. And don't waste ur time arguing with the blind and dumb. They're not ur problem. Ur trying to teach ppl and that's all that is expected of u. Ppl denied prophets in their own time. Those who believe need no proof, and those who do not no proof is enough.
@VaeVictus666 "Those who believe need no proof" these are dumb people who were often the victims of trickery, bamboozled, conned, robbed blind, and decietful people. NO thanks, for a stake as high cost as my soul, I rather be a skeptic
"and those who do not no proof is enough." this is a very dishonest statement, skeptics can be convinced provided with enough objective evidence.
and i'm not refuting something which will be a complete waste of time, properganda always has different form if i did refute it you'd just move on to another book of properganda
i call bull on that to be a bioligist you have to believe in evolution otherwise you do not know how to do biology (you do relise biology is FOUNDED on evolution)
and your book is still friggin wrong and you do relise that evolution IS 100% true (in a sense) but that doesn't mean you have to give up your fairy tale belief to understand what evolution is about
al-qu'ran 21:30 doesn't say anything about a big bang for the big bang was an exsplotion the world was not formed before the big bang
al-qu'ran 41:11 is talking about clouds not cearlestial smoke as you meantioned BEFORE galaxies were formed (that means the earth was not formed yet) the verse is talking about clouds for there randomness to form out of no where
and guys i've been pm this guy he shouldn't be taken serious he believes the big bang but says evolution is false LOL
yes cuz the Big bang is a fact and evolution is a false theory already refuted but Atheists still stick to it so they can escape away from believing in God.
a theory is something which is given only to something with hundreds of facts as well as obserations
but a theory is not a FACT it is able to be disproved at anytime like gravity it could be proven that fairy dust keeps us all down and the theory would be corrected
and don't forget no one has claimed a noble prize for *debunking* evolution therefor it's false
theory is something which u dun have 100% proof of.
lol....so many people have done so many good thinks but still they didn't got the noble prize....like for example the person who invented the computer...did he got the noble prize? no!
so u cant claim that just cuz the person who refuted the theory didn't got a noble prize means it is false...u even haven't read that book and dun know nothing but it but ur still making stupid claims.
you oviously don't understand why there would be a noble prize
but since i'm nice i'll tell you
the reason that you'd get a noble prize is because if you managed to find evidance that a theory as strong as evolution is fals under reasons of X then you'd get countless upon countless awards for destroying a theory
and man i can't believe your still going on about that perfectic book which you linked me for the last time do reasearch and understand why he's wrong.
i dun care about intelligent design theory....and its kinda stupid that since you even have read the whole book and are just arguing over it.
OK THE BOOK IS WRONG RIGHT? SO NOW I WANT YOU TO REFUTE THE WHOLE BOOK IF EVOLUTION IS CORRECT!!! YOU SAID IT WILL TAKE A MONTH. I DUN CARE! YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME. REFUTE THE BOOK EVEN IF IT TAKES A MONTH,SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR!!!
evolution is a scientific theory nothing has toppled it not even your properganda, no evidance has been put forward to put down evolution aside from the bible and quaran ect which has toppled under the truth
the only things wrong with evolution is that it's too hard for people to understand because there god fearing brains won't grasp reality
so it's either accept your wrong or your ignorant to accept the facts
and btw the only one making stupid claims is you saying the big bang in the quaran is a good lol but saying evolution is false because intelligent design is the real reason just made me laugh so hard i nearly died
please upon please look up Intelligent design and see why it's so so so so so wrong hell if you want i'll link you a video why evolution is correct
the book refutes "Evolution "SCIENTIFICALLY"....cuz its a rule in Islam that when ever make claims or present information we have to give evidence so here is the scientific evidence and please dont have that misconception again that "the theory is refuted because God did it or it is in the Bible or Quran"...there is no such blind faith in Islam but there is logical faith and we give scientific evidence to refute evolution. so read the book and refute those points.
erm LOL if they give a statement agianst evolution then there not biologists. you do know biology is FOCUSED around evolution therefor you have to know evolution is fact otherwise your not going to be successful in the slightest
and what does muslin statements have to do with telling the truth and telling fairy tales hmmm...?
there many biologists which doubt or dun believe in evolution and iam waiting for you to refute the book i mean the book refutes evolution in the light of science. it mentions some great points regarding fossil findings,mutations,variations, genetics etc. and if the book is just some fairy tales by Muslim and evolution is 100% true, than whats the problem in refuting that book? i dun care about the time. you can take a whole year! but i want the book refuted if ur true.
We.........Us? Who is We and Us? Either ur allah is a trinty, a twin or has many partners. Or We.....Us means Muhammad help ur Allah create stuff. That u muslim say Allah don't need man's help cuz he is almighty.
No. I'm sorry, we can't. (I am an atheist by the way) Christians have been known to be the most intolerant of all religions. "Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men." - Voltaire
And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us. (Qur'an 50:38)
U stated in one of ur earlier post: "That in the Quran it says the God created the heavens and the earth in 6 periods and not days like the bible. or it'll be a contradiction." Well what is this? 6 DAYS!!! AND NOT PERIODS.UR QURAN CONTRADICTS WHAT U PREACH.
In Arabic it is common that a word has more than one meanings so the word used for days has more 2 meanings which is periods and days.....the correct translation is periods!
Therefore there is no contradiction about the pillars. But I'm curious what does ur quran say about the earth being held up when there in nothing below or around it. Notice space has no floor or roof not even a table for the earth can sit. Does the earth float? How does it stay in one place when all that empty space is around it? Earth does not go up or down. WHO HOLDS IT!!!
lol.....Allah just says be and it happens. so whatever he wills that happens he doesn't need to hold the earth! he can maintain it without holding it cuz from his power.
Allah is not depandant on anything.
And when u say anything bad about Allah that means ur saying that about Jesus cuz we call God Allah and u Christians believe that Jesus is God so your insulting Jesus :P
"there many scientific contradictions in the Bible like for example...."the earth has pillars"
I forgot to respond to this.
That's ur problem science says "I must see before I believe." These pillars what u are referring too are the arms and hands of God. U don't see them becuz God is Spirit so he holds the earth by his will but science calls it gravity.
Q: Do u believe that God has a body? I will wait for ur answer before I continue on with this.
Don't mess with me boy as u already know ur already a joke to me. I don't care what ur thoughts of the bible are and I careless for ur quran and ur Muhammad. I am a Christian and I will remain one until My Savior Jesus Christ has called me up....Oh about ur message It went straight to ole filing cabnet (the trash). Never did read it.
So there u have it ur Allah has been beaten by Eaglefan64.
SO IF U DIDNT READ MY MESSAGE THAN WHY ARE U COMMENTING ON MY VIDEOS U FOOL!!! IF U HATE ISLAM SO MUCH THAN GET LOST CUZ THESE ARE ISLAMIC VIDEOS AND NOT FOR YOU TO WATCH!
"oh and why did it take six days for God to create the universe according to the book of Genesis when God says Be?"
If God would have created all things at once. What was the point of making a plan. But like u say ur Allah took 6 periods and not days. So I gave ur allah the blame why the world is screwed up.
"Quran that Allah created the heavens and the earth in six periods! not days like the Bible or it would be a contradiction!"
When I was in school a period lasted 30 to 40 minutes, but at times an hour if Mrs Battleaxe wasn't on her period. Anyway if that's the kind of period ur Quran states that allah created. Then nowonder ur Islamic world is wacked and imperfect. UR ALLAH SCREWED UP!!!! He should've had a plan first. Now the world ur Allah created is one big mess.
ur so stupid your argument is like if God says be for everything than why does it take for him to create a baby for 9 months in the mothers womb?
Duh!!! Hello Becuz God cursed Eve to bear children dufus. Eve screwed the whole thing up she wanted to play God and now God gave weman the responsibilty of carring something inside of her. And for 9 months weman complain. WHY DO I HAVE TOO CARRY JR AROUND! I'M GETTING FAT!!!!
Btw, don't bother sending me a message if it like more then a 100 words I just glance at them without reading the whole thing. So make it short and quick and make ur point without all that rambling on otherwise ur message goes in the waste basket.
lol.....the Bible contradicts with modern science....
U mean modern science contradicts God of the bible. Science say's There is no God and all creation came into being by some form alien life. Evolution for example and of course the big bang theory. Science hasn't figured out how creation began so how can u say Science proves there is a God? Ur quran is based on what science can not figure out and that make ur allah false.
Big Bang is a fact! It has been proven! and if your scripture doesn't say that than it is a contradiction....there many scientific contradictions in the Bible like for example...."the earth has pillars"
"and that make ur Allah false"
there is only one God and we Muslims call Jehovah Allah....so ur saying that Jehovah is false?....please read my message for this.
erm big bang is not a fact it's a sceintific theory just like the theory of evolution and gravity
note that scientific theory is the best title given to somethin which is supported by hundreds if not thousands of facts and observations
and a theory just like anything else can get taken down if there's something which contridicts it (ie gravity can be proven to be goblins pulling people and things down with magical ropes)
By the way it is even said in the Quran that whatever Allah wants he says "be" and it happens!
Not without a Big Bang theory. Ur allah couldn't create the smallest paritcle of a cosmic dust. So what makes u think he could create something as big as the earth?
ur so stupid your argument is like if God says be for everything than why does it take for him to create a baby for 9 months in the mothers womb?
oh and why did it take six days for God to create the universe according to the book of Genesis when God says Be?
so for somethings even God takes time and it is also said in the Quran that Allah created the heavens and the earth in six periods! not days like the Bible or it would be a contradiction!
Well, my Qur'an knowledge is limited, but doesn't it refer to stars as lights placed in the sky or something?
If that is true or at least similar, then this verse most likely merely suggests that the dome of heaven (the sky, not the universe) once was attached to earth and then somehow was cut off or hollowed out.
There is no literal talk about the complete universe and how it's made up, and even this is a hint at it, why not include ALL the aspects of that event?
Quran is a book of divine guidance and not a science book! So that's why there aren't the details cuz religion is something that even a illiterate lame men should understand and now if every single details would be there like science tells us so it would be very confusing to understand for such a person!
No, a god that can do everything can also explain to the most idiotic and illiterate person something if the wants to.
A god isn't called almighty, omnipotent, for nothing.
You tell me he can create the world and the people in it, but not write a book with the answers and hints to the universe (which he seems to have done, seeing how he hinted at the big bang) that is not understandable by everyone?
You need to give that god a little more credit, then.
yes i agree with you that God can explain the most idiotic person anything he wants to and that's why the whole process in which human embryo is developed is explained in such away that scientists have testified that there is no way someone can know the microscopic work 1400 years ago and this is more easier to understand than how science teaches us.
I tell u man that word "we" in ur quran sounds alittle out of place. U muslims believe that there is only one God. But ur Al Qu'ran 21 confirms that there is another. How can the book u trust speak of a "We" when u preach there is no other then allah? Looks like ur quran contradicts what u preach cuz when "we" is mentioned that means more then one is present?
Btw, I took a glance of this video and I have a question. In ur opening verse from Al Qu'ran 21 it say's in the latter part. "We're joined together before "WE" cloved them assunder"
Q: Who is "We?" Does this mean allah is a trinity or is he a double set? Why doesn't it say "Were joined together before "I" (allah) cloved them assunder" U have some explaining to do?
The science of the quran show how weak ur allah is. Does he really need a big bang to create something? My God just say's a word and all thing come into existance. In the beginging God created the heavens (the sky and space) and the earth. Gensis 1:1 The bible does not say God formed bits and pieces (the big bang) first and then created the heavens and the earth. He spoke a word "Let there Be" and it was so. (cont)
lol.....the Bible contradicts with modern science regarding the creation of the universe cuz Big Bang is a fact!.....and Bible the alleged "word of God" doesn't speak of it! it might be that God spoke of it in the Bible when it was the true word of God way back but now it doesn't! this proves that the Bible was corrupted by men! that's why God send Muhammad the last and final prophet!
By the way it is even said in the Quran that whatever Allah wants he says "be" and it happens!
Ok lovely the Quran talks about the big bang but where does it talk about Allah creating the 'smoke' which was here before the big bang happened?
Also if galaxies are moving away from the earth why is the sun moving closer towards the earth each year? Surely the sun would be moving further away from the earth too.
1) the smoke was not before the Big Bang but came after the Big Bang which later formed into galaxies.
2) universe is expanding and that was discovered by Edwin Hubble and it is a fact.
As you know that sun is a star and stars run a a course in which nuclear explosions continuously keep happening on them and slowly when the nuclear explosions will finish and as they are finishing the star will grow bigger.
so that's why the sun is also getting bigger but the problem is that the universe is expanding and the galaxies are moving away "not from the earth" earth is in a galaxy, but the speed in which the galaxies are moving is slow as compared to the speed in which sun is getting bigger so that's why the sun is getting closer to earth.
Also the sun is not growing like you've said. The sun is actually shrinking. The sun loses an estimate of 2 1/2 miles of diameter each year. A million years ago the sun would have been 6 times its current size. For some who doesn't understand science well I'm doing pretty good.
I know that sun is shrinking not growing as facts because I studied a lot about this so I should have the answer. I got my answer from scientist who study the sun daily.
Well if some scientists believe the sun is shrinking and others say it will become a red giant, who's correct? Without doing the studies for ourself we can only choose what to believe.
You know what I believe, and I have seen numerous videos of scientists talking about how the sun is shrinking and will eventually burn out. I'm sure in religion it talks about how the sun will eventually burn out too.
I would also like to add before you judge me again that I know the earth is in a galaxy. I wanted to know what is happening to the stars within a galaxy.
In Arabic a single word has many meanings like the Arabic word "alaqah" has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.
So the Arabic word for smoke which is in that verse is "Dukhaan" and it has also many meanings. the 2 meanings of it which i know are vapor and smoke. so its up to the translator what they should translate that word into like for example in the Yusuf Ali translation it is smoke but in Shakir translation it is vapor!
I don't know science well? Nice comment Hussam. I'm only asking questions to try and understand Islam. You should understand.
I'm sure you said in this video that the smoke was here before the big bang and then Allah told it to come together to create earth.
Now you're saying the smoke was not before the big bang. In that case what was here before that big bang? Surely something had to come together to cause it to happen.
second one is fail aswell cuz he said jooin the smoke into the earth big bang more like big bong fakery because again why mention earth a lot we are just 1 insignificant dot in the universe why not mention vy canis majoris betelgeus antares milky way
diegonikki 2 weeks ago
why then does he mention heavens and "earth" i would belive this if he said all the stars our earth were once one then it would make sense but saying the heavens and the earth could be enterprated as something else
diegonikki 2 weeks ago
I have no doubt that there were many authors from earlier days from which Islam, Christianity and Hebrew borrowed from. Only they left parts out and/or reworded them to suit their own agenda. Examples : The Book of Enoch 300 BC, The 7 tablets of Creation (Ancient Summarian's) 2000 to 3000 BC among many others. Given that the Quran is dated to approx 600 AD, there is plenty of time to borrow writings from earlier Authors. Where are all these earlier books? Conquest : the victor writes history.
Alternativeknow 1 month ago
Facts ? I'm glad that I'm NOT holding my breath waiting for "facts" !
- The facts here are only those that exist in your mind ... and in the mis-translations of your fellow , phony scholars....
curiousgeorge1940 2 months ago
Um, since the universe is more than 13 billion years old and the earth is only about 4.6 billion didn't they universal "smoke" come together long long prior to the earth even began to do so? So when did Allah utter these words? More than 13 billion years ago? The Quran kinda sounds like it is saying the universe and earth formed at nearly the same time. Am I wrong?
thybigballs 3 months ago
1. With enough weed, the Quran contains justification for everything. 2. I would interpert those statements as someone saying the earth exists and is connected to the sky. Ok fair enough... good insight i suppose... beyond that, your just leading the witness. According to Islam the Quran contains all scientific knowledge. Including (and i know this is taught in some Islam schools) that salt water and freshwater WILL NOT MIX. This, of course, is bullshit.
DaBluedude100 5 months ago
Prior to the Big Bang Theory, no muslim, or anyone else for that matter, actually believed that all matter was in one lump that then expanded into nebulae then galaxies, so no, no prophecy here. The verse quoted is much like many other religious myths, with "heaven & earth" being separated by god(s). But there was no actual "heaven & earth" before, during, nor til a billion+ years after the Big Bang. The quote is being retrofitted onto the theory; it is not a prediction.
Apollinian 5 months ago
You are KIDDING me, right? That verse is COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE with the ACTUAL Big Bang Theory! How do you arrive at such LUDICROUS conclusions?!
The word "smoke" is NOT more appropriate than gas. The initial matter was HYDROGEN, a gas, while smoke is a mixture of tiny solid particles and gas.
You are either mentally retarded or a huge troll. All your scripture references are obvious bullshit.
ParaSpite 6 months ago
@ParaSpite Actually, scientists today approve that smoke is a more appropriate term to use than gas. Now in canadian science textbooks, it uses the term smoke opposed to gas when talking about the big bang theory. Surely you do not see that in the way that a Blu-ray player would have its own manual, the Quran is the manual for humans. Muslims believe in the bible, and even the torah, which is probably something you didnt know. It was just edited by man. Only the Quran never changed. Coincidence?
CrazyInvaderX 6 months ago
only mistake I wish to correct
it wasn't a big nebular it was a tiny tiny particle, infinetly small
the word big hardly applies
electorg 8 months ago
I don't see much similarity at all. And if this is true, then why did nobody mention it until after the big bang theory was accepted, rather than before? it's because they're making links no matter how vague to try to convince people. If that was the intention of that Koran verse to say about the big bang, why did he make it more specific and in scientific terms that we would see as fitting? Because it wasn't anything to do with the big bang in any way at all whatsoever.
examplechanology 8 months ago
@examplechanology
Actually, the muslims mentioned it every year and every time. When Islam was introduced to Arabians, the Qur'an became a hobby to most muslims. they read it everywhere they go and finish reading the whole book 12 times a year. The muslims mentioned it quite a lot of times for the last 1400 years ago.. The question is, where were the people when they mentioned the big bang???
hyunnie91 7 months ago
@hyunnie91 No, I meant that nobody read that passage and then came up with the big bang theory. Muslims read the Koran for 1400 years, a scientist came up with the big bang theory, then some muslims say "look here, it's similar".
examplechanology 7 months ago
inbreed
maddoxhell 10 months ago
people we must grow up with our though the religion is just exist just like that you can not prove the truth of your religion by evidence of BIGBANG in quoran cus the big bang is just a theory u know theory my be wrong and in this time what can some one like me except ; so please spaek to your god and ask him to give you a super theory of evrythings (dark matter dark energy electron behaivor) that will be a great victory to quran
by the way i am a muslim
aompes 10 months ago
"And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you"
Not a very moral book...
MrRichard991 10 months ago
@MrRichard991 chapter and verse please =]
lace0mafia 8 months ago
@MrRichard991 Surely the words typed from your hands are only of falsehood. Did you actually attempt to change part of the quran's verses? There is more to this verse. The rest is "and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers." This verse is talking about a war. The bible has incest, rape, murder, and many other things, but do muslims talk about it? No.
CrazyInvaderX 6 months ago
@CrazyInvaderX Yes, the Bible has murder et al. That's what's so special about it - it's unbiased. Genocide has been argued as capital punishment - and it makes sense that the non-believers of old were killed in preparation of the world Jesus would walk on.
I haven't read the Quran, so I cannot comment on whether it's biased or unbiased.
MrRichard991 6 months ago
@MrRichard991 I read the Qu'ran several times, knowing the original language it was written in (Classic Arabic), and the Qu'ran has some violent things in it as well. But it doesnt make the prophets of god as terrible people, as it says in one story that David made incest with his daughters. In the Qu'ran, the prophets are RESPECTABLE men. REAL men. They protected, and were the mercy to mankind..
CrazyInvaderX 3 months ago
why do people thing they are going somewhere when they die, but the monkeys, bears, dogs, cats, whales, birds, roaches, snakes, cows, pigs, horses, cheetahs, lions, girraffes, aligators, and so on... oh no no no.... they dont go anywhere. its just us humans that get to go somewhere when we die. God gave the animals to Adam for food, clothes, and what not, but the religious forget that animals will fuck you up if you fuck with them. this is all about survival of the fittest. no GODS no HEAVEN!
Imreason 10 months ago
@Adix9512
errr, yes we can
heemissh 11 months ago
Does it mention Sheldon and Penny? Or does it just talk about the premise of the show? Because I'm pretty sure the guy who plays Sheldon wasn't alive when they wrote the Quran.
13expose13 11 months ago
Boring typed text video and totally subjective in matter.
purgruv 1 year ago
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I think that the verse in the Koran comes from the stories of travellers on camels that see the horizon, and while the move ahead, they are amazed that it "expands" forward.
The see a hill on the horizon they reach it and still the horizon expands forward.
It's as if the "universe" is continuously expanding.
This is also an explanation of "can the unbeliever not see", anyone can see the horizon expanding but no one can see the universe expanding, the phrase would be ridiculous.
saintpine 1 year ago
Oh, I see the point of the video. Religion comes in, brain goes out.
saamohod 1 year ago
plus that is not the goal 1400 yrs ago they didnt know this stuff so why shud God tell them such things. Nonetheless the Quran was made to suit all times. Islam is the way to happiness in this life and the next.
tootableable 1 year ago
So the Quran tells us about the big bang, but you Muslims didn't bother to mention it until the theory had been proposed and accepted by the scientific community. Yeah, right. Or maybe it's just an extremely loose interpretation in a pathetic, insincere attempt to validate your barbaric, unscientific religion! Yeah, that's it!
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
this is amazzzzzing...who wud know this stuff 1400 years ago except GOD!! islam is beautiful
tootableable 1 year ago
He said "come ye together" they said "we do come together in obedience " That doesn't prove that Allah made the world. You know the Bible in Christnaity is liek that as well. In the beginning there was nothing and God said "Let there be light!" So both cases God creates something. How do u know which one is real and how do you know if God exists and hwo do u know which religion is correct o.0?
Hyperactiveroxerchic 1 year ago
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God must exist.
Jews, Muslims & Christians all believe in God.
Jews, Muslims & Christians all exist.
Therefore God must exist.
Quiltinguk 1 year ago
You have to be shitting me. Okay let me pwn the fuck out of everyone who believes this here.
Quran Surah (71:19) And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet. (FLAT)
Quran Surah (15:19) And the earth; set thereon mountains firm and immovable
Quran Surah (79:30) Dahaha (means EGGSHAPED). When in fact, it means this: It means SPREAD OUT, but they hide this error by saying it "DERIVED" from the word DUHIYA. And duhiya means a place for nesting ostrich eggs, which is on FLAT GROUND.
i6o4 1 year ago
@i6o4 please either learn arabic or get an authentic english translation and don't quote half the verse and make up the rest of it.
FIRST. Quran (71:19-20) And Allah has made for you the earth a wide expanse. That you may go about therein in broad roads.
SECOND. Quran (15:19) And the earth we have spread out, and have place therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion.
THIRD. Quran (79:30) And after that He spread the earth. (((no mention of eggs)))
tootableable 1 year ago
@tootableable No, you can't translate "Spread Out" to a "Wide expanse". Fooling around with the definitions is a form of dishonesty and it doesn't work. Even if verses are to be "corrected" as you say in other parts, then why would there be an error in the first place? There wouldn't. That's how you know that humans have changed the meaning ever so slightly to adjust it to their own satisfaction to hide lies. Go read your Quran again, it mentions that the Earth is Egg-shaped, but ofc its a lie.
i6o4 1 year ago
@i6o4 go learn arabic if u dont believe me..why would i even lie to u? i just thought that it was my duty to let u know cus u had it wrong.
tootableable 1 year ago
@tootableable You probably don't think you're lying. That's the ridiculous reality.
i6o4 1 year ago
@i6o4 No, the ridiculous reality is that you are lying to urself because u know i'm not lying ;)
tootableable 1 year ago
@i6o4 ALSO FOURTH. Quran (27:88) And you will see the mountains and think them solid, but they shall pass away as the passing way of the clouds. The work of Allah, Who perfected all things, verily, He is Well-Acquainted with what you do.
tootableable 1 year ago 4
@tootableable said "And you will see the mountains and think them solid, but they shall pass away as the passing way of the clouds. The work of Allah"
Allah? No, it's the work of erosion, and plate tectonics keeps building them back up. Mountains don't fade away. The Quran is wrong again.
A college class in Geology should clear this up for you.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
Wow, the devil sure has his plan laid out huh? As for the big bang theory.....disproved, so the quran is wrong. You see....if light produces heat, then as the light spread through the universe, it would cause temperature differences in space....but it is the same temperature everywhere, therefore, all creation had to have happened in an instant. It did not expand as it grew so to speak because there would be variables in temperatures, but there isn't. Science now questions their big bang theory.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple SERIOUSLY? "It is the same temperature everywhere"? Are you fucking mad? I guarantee you that is is different temperature at my house than at your house, or on the surface of the sun, or in the freezing expanses of outer space. And, btw, the universe is getting colder thanks to the laws of thermodynamics. Also, the universe is expanding as shown by redshift. Heat creates light, not vice-versa. The education system has failed you miserably. Go take an elementary school science course.
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 You're the one that only sees half the picture by rebuking God and the Spirit. You're denying yourselfhalf the experience of life right at the start. Not too intelligent in my books. No kidding temperature fluctuates near light, but other than that, the temperature of all space are all nestled at the same temperature. So I can also take it that you had no clue whatI meant, nor what I was talking about. Sorry the education system failed you so miserably.
shadapple 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 You silly monkey you...The coldest temperature in space is about 3°K above absolute zero. This is defined as the Cosmic Background (or Microwave Background) Radiation that was first detected by Penzias and Wilson using the Holmdel Horn Antenna in New Jersey, USA in 1965. This radiation quite literally is the echo of the Big Bang.....No kidding the temperature is different near light...duh. Let's not get into the education system thing, I'm not as uneducated as you may think......
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple "it is the same temperature everywhere, therefore, all creation had to have happened in an instant" Your words not mine. The temperature in space varies drastically. Don't try to twist your words to make yourself look like you know what your talking about; I can see right through that. And anyways doesn't your fairy tale book say the universe was created in six days? I'd hardly call that an instant. What makes your religion any more true than Hinduism? They're all equally ridiculous.
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 I'm not twisting anything, you just don't understand what was said, that's obvious.So instead of using your head and figuring out for yourself that I must be talking about something else because even a silly monkey knows you gotta put a coat on in the cold...duh, you just find any way you can to bash ANYONE who believes in a God. So with that, I won't even try to re-explain, or even carry this conversation further because you are obviously just looking to argue...Bye.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple Temperature varies and that's that. You stated otherwise and that is simply wrong. No need to argue, I'd just like you to justify your beliefs before telling me I'm missing out on life just because I don't believe in something there is absolutely no known evidence for. I don't bash people who believe in god, I correct people who make fallacious claims and refute all kinds of dogma.
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 You don't believe in something there's no evidence for huh? Yes you do....atheism. There's no proof that atheism is accurate, true, and correct. But the Bible, alllllllll the people in it, allllllllll the locations, the prophecy.....and it is historical fact that YAHUSHUAH walked this planet....look at your calendar....what year is it again? Oh yeah....2011 years after his birth....go figure. And that little calendar on your wall....is more proof than atheism can ever offer.
shadapple 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 OH yeah...research the temperature in space, it is 2K everywhere in the shade. Fact. Now iflight supposedly moved through the galaxy like the big bang theory states....that would be impossible. As for the spreading out....you do know we keep time by the sun and the moon right? 364.25 days for every freakin year we've ever kept time. So tell me, which was first...the Earth's gravity that controls the moon, or the moon that controls our tides? Common sense applies.
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple Atheism makes no claims, only rejects theistic ones, and therefore requires no evidence. The bible is full of innacuracies. The thing about the universe that allows us to exist is the fact that matter was distributed unevenly, therefore some places in space are devoid of mass, energy and heat. That implies physics, not anything divine. I have no idea what the length of a day/year has to do with this discussion. Earth's gravity is what trapped the moon in our orbit in the first place.
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 as for the length of the days, if the planets were "slowing down" from a big bang, throw out the time we have kept. Because they keep perfect time, not slowing down, not speeding up. In fact, they say the moon is moving away from the earth, so where would it have been 2 million years ago? In the earth right? There is no proof of atheism. Like I said, just your calendar with the year 2011 (A.D. In the year of our Lord) is more proof than atheism can ever give. Atheism is crap.
shadapple 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 Sorry dude, but by faith you follow atheism. And atheism is only at the most 10% of the world's population, the other 90% believe in a divine creator, so theism is the default position. If you're claiming the moon got "trapped" in the earth's gravity, so you're saying the earth was here first, then the moon showed up...talk about voodoo magic the atheist accuse the Christians of. My theory is a "big bang' would have scattered planets everywhere with no laws of physics at all.....
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple Too bad civilization and agriculture can be dated back to as early as 12000 BC. And yeah, the bible is completely true. Yep. Two of every animal fit on a boat built by a 600 year old man, a woman turned into salt, snakes talked, apples gave us knowledge, god diversified language to thwart the efforts of construction workers, a sea were split, water was walked on and turned into wine, and a zombie floated up to heaven after being dead for three days. Yep. And atheism takes faith.
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 ..Australia is almost underwater, now Africa is following suit, earthquakes of epic proportions and abundance, birds falling out of the sky, fish dying everywhere, a variety of sealife is washing up by the millions all over the world, of course you haven't noticed, well you've noticed, you just choose to continue in your ignorance because that would mean you to repent of your sins and stop watching porn and partying. And if YAH can create life, I'm sure he can split an ocean. Bye
shadapple 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 First off, there's over 300 historical facts from ancient civilizations about a flood. Secondly, the rotweiler and doberman didn't exist then, all dogs and other animals derive from only 2 of each species, which evolution claims, then turns around and rebukes the Ark/flood story. Ironic, they claim "natural selection" started with one, then split off into 2 million lifeforms, but you rebuke the 2 on the ark becoming many species of dogs today...hypocrites. Have you noticed that..
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple Continental drift and the melting of glaciers does not mean the worlds about to end. This stuff happens every so often, get over yourself. People have been calming the end is nigh ever since the concept of "rapture" was made up by humans. Oh, and following your analogy of evolution, that would mean your father was made out of dirt and your mother was made from your father's rib. Really, I implore you to take an evolutionary biology course before you dismiss it as "myth".
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 Dude, I'm done with this conversation, I didn't read your comment. All debate has to end at some point. Bye.
shadapple 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 Who said it all dates back to 12,000 BC (by the way, whats' "BC" mean again?) You yourself just said "Before Christ" (classic open mouth, insert foot)....the same people that tell you 12000 BC, 1 million BC are the same ones that tell you your Granddaddy was an ape, your Great Grandaddy was a rock, and nothing decided to create 2 sexes so we could create life....hmmmmmm, and Christians are the crazy ones that work on faith...LMAO. We'll see in the end, I'm ready, are you?
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple Just because we use the supposed date of Jesus' birth doesn't mean I believe he's god, dumbass. It's an arbitrary number, and there isn't even any contemporaneous evidence for Jesus' existence. You clearly have no clue how evolution works, either that or your just a dishonest fool who is misconstruing the theory to make it seem unsound. Yes, floods happen, I never denied that. BUT I SAID NOTHING ABOUT DOGS! Even excluding dogs, there are still millions of other species. (cont.)
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
@sillymonkey829 There are no inaccuracies in the Bible. The Bible puts the earth at about 6000 yrs. And the oldest record of history in all the world dates back to 4500 B.C. (Before Christ). There is no recorded history, nor empire before that. Because of your doubt and misunderstanding of the Bible and your creator, you lose out. It is your choice. We all have a choice, follow the lie or follow the truth. Christians tell you about a satanic conspiracy we're in. Do you believe in conspiracies?
shadapple 1 year ago
@shadapple Holy shit. You have absolutely no understanding of the big bang theory OR the formation of our solar system. Our solar system formed BILLIONS of years after the big bang, and therefore is not affected by universal expansion. There is no faith involved in atheism; I believe in the natural, observable would, nothing more. As for the moon: ARE YOU STUPID? Have you ever heard of the great impact hypothesis? Or the trapped asteroid hypothesis? Those don't require voodoo magic. (continued)
sillymonkey829 1 year ago
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quran surah 21:33, three verses after the "big bang" verse, says this:
And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.
So, according to that, the sun and the moon orbit the earth? well, only the moon does that sorry
generosos87 1 year ago
excellent.
ForceMajeure360 1 year ago
Your description of the big bang is crude and the quotes are too vague to presume any real knowledge in them, if the quran said something like 'the universe at t=0 was an imensely dense microscopic singularity', and described how atoms formed, or even just gave a decent indication of complexity from simplicity you could make your claims. But it doesn't.... so you can't
reubz11 1 year ago
@reubz11 well if the quran did have such exact information like the universe at t=0 was an imensely dense microscopic singularity..as u said then EVERYONE will believe in it no doubt..same thing why they ask why doesnt God show us himself and thats not how it should be..cus God is testing us in this life if u believe and follow the right path then u will go to heaven or if u deny the truth then to hell..this short life is a test.
tootableable 1 year ago 9
@tootableable Life is too short to live it for someone else. If I were to not believe in God, yet fulfill my life as much as possible, would I be damned? But I find it hard to believe that if I were to believe in God, yet be a total brickhead and asshole that I would find myself going to a better place when I die. Either or, I'm sticking with my logic.
i6o4 1 year ago
@i6o4 well i'd rather believe in God so that i would not turn out to be the "total brickhead and asshole" in the afterlife
tootableable 1 year ago
@tootableable Then you do that, and I hope you end up in a good place if at all, even though your as dumb as a brick.
i6o4 1 year ago
@i6o4 oh so now u think i'm dumb..well, we'll just wait and see who's "dumb" in the hereafter! you don't even know who I am to call me dumb so that just proves how dumb you are..
tootableable 1 year ago
@reubz11 the Quran is meant to be clear imagine if 1400 years ago there was such complex verses then that would backfire the message ppl ddnt even know the basics of science...so u see that would confuse ppl and they wouldnt accept islam
tootableable 1 year ago 2
@tootableable ...that's why religion is for the uneducated and unteachable. Otherwise surely that thousands of verse in the book would have teach human something important...Like VIRUS AND BACTERIA that can't be seen.!!!
mykegoh 1 year ago
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tootableable 1 year ago
@tootableable
..@mykegoh religion is much more important because without it u'll be in hell for eternity and with it you will abide in heaven forever....
Yup tht's d only thing religion has 2offer,incredibly u can't see,u can't touch n u don't have any idea wht its like except 2quote religious texts.
Oh wait, why want 2b in heaven at all if all those tyrant so-called gods who kill on a massive scale are there! If there is hell, i'll chose 2go there in protest of these evil god.
mykegoh 1 year ago
@mykegoh well actually islam is not only a religion it is a way of life there are many things that muslims do everyday that have been provedrecently to be good for ur health like the 5 prayers we do everyday or the sitting down while eating or drinking and tht interest is not allowed in islam and othr stuff
tootableable 1 year ago
@tootableable No religious text can outbeat any modern science on health, have u heard of MEDICINE and Health food? You forgot to mention how ur book suggest to wash unclean stuffs with sand or earth. Healthy sand or earth?
Five time prayer perday is gd 4 health? Interest is not allowed? Yeah tht's y u'll r regressing in technologies n knowledge.
The power of d internet is going to educate people on d stupidity of religions n sorry to say existing ones wil end like most did.
mykegoh 1 year ago
@tootableable
"that would confuse ppl and they wouldnt accept islam "
Maybe...but at the same time if the verse isn't clear and specific, there is no reason to think it intended to predict Big Bang and not something else.
The rest is just an ad hoc... we can't make the difference between non-miraculous verse with an originially miraculous one which is deliberately vague to test us.
silveren777 8 months ago
@tootableable
This kind of miracle doesn't make the Quran falsifiable in the 1st place, because due to the very vagueness, the verse wouldn't be considered as "scientifically wrong" if Big Bang was disproven, nothing would prevent other interpretations.
silveren777 8 months ago
As for 51:47 saying that the universe is expanding: do you really think the ambiguous word 'lamoosi'oona' proves this claim? One word, in one verse of the entire Qur'an.
Ibn Kathir: "With power and skill did We construct the firmament; indeed it is We who create the vastness of space."
Jalalayn: "And the heaven, We built it with might, and indeed We are powerful."
In addition, the next verse refers to Allah as 'Spreader' of the earth, yet the earth, of course, is not presently being spread.
ConsideringPhlebas 1 year ago
Thank you for once again proving that these dunderheads that prattle on about 'science in the Qur'an' know shit all about science itself. Contrary to Zakir Naik's statement, the singularity was not a nebula. And how could galaxies have formed before stars and planets if galaxies are composed of the aforementioned?
And as for 41:11, the verses before it (41:9-10) talk about the formation of the earth! The translation of 'thumma' in that verse is bs. It means 'then,' not 'moreover.' Bullplop!
ConsideringPhlebas 1 year ago
jumping to an awful lot of conclusions there chief
krenekcd 1 year ago
its amazing how you had the big bang theory in there all that time but it took you 1400 years to come out and show us but your just showing us now. and after a catholic priest comes up with the theory.
RobtheBig 1 year ago
ok, here is the problem, god says something, humans, being vastly inferior, tries to translate and understand, because we are vastly inferior, we cannot maintain the same meaning because our language is so crude in comparsion, thus the message in the vid could have been anything including a random thought that popped up in an arab's head one day.
Harvidz 1 year ago
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Awesome video brother. God bless u. And don't waste ur time arguing with the blind and dumb. They're not ur problem. Ur trying to teach ppl and that's all that is expected of u. Ppl denied prophets in their own time. Those who believe need no proof, and those who do not no proof is enough.
VaeVictus666 1 year ago
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@VaeVictus666
ur right :D
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@VaeVictus666 How do u know your religion is correct out of all the thousands of other religions?
Hyperactiveroxerchic 1 year ago
@VaeVictus666 "Those who believe need no proof" these are dumb people who were often the victims of trickery, bamboozled, conned, robbed blind, and decietful people. NO thanks, for a stake as high cost as my soul, I rather be a skeptic
"and those who do not no proof is enough." this is a very dishonest statement, skeptics can be convinced provided with enough objective evidence.
emancoy 1 year ago
@VaeVictus666 "Those who believe need no proof" I guess we agree on one thing then; you have no proof.
rex786 6 months ago
I saw some of the argument and I wanted to say evolution does not disprove the Quran. So what if it is true...
HEcanjudgeOnly 1 year ago
what do i care what's mentioned in the quran? the quran is a collection of miracles in which the people have believed already before muhammed
thisnokay 1 year ago
and i'm not refuting something which will be a complete waste of time, properganda always has different form if i did refute it you'd just move on to another book of properganda
riotguards 1 year ago
@riotguards
lol...you believe all biologists are evolutionists?
and that book is not just propaganda but it contains actual facts that refute the theory. so since you cant refute the book than i win.
anyways i have been talking to u from a long time and it will be better now to finish this argument now.
so good luck.
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
Every single biologists worth a damm, also believe in evolution. There is just no way they cannot.
Ark1medez 1 year ago
@Ark1medez
every single biologist?....lol
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
Unfortunately for you, this is true, you cannot be a serious biologist if you don't.
saintpine 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
Please refute the Harry Potter books with your logic..
Ark1medez 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX Which book is it that disproves evolution? I'd like to see it
SimaoMarto 1 year ago
@SimaoMarto
ok ill send u the book's link.
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxX plz can u send me the link of the book that disproves evolution
uguly14 1 year ago
@uguly14
Yes...InshAllah ill send u that in a message.
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX can you send it to me too please? and thanks god bless you
RealRapAndHiphp 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
i call bull on that to be a bioligist you have to believe in evolution otherwise you do not know how to do biology (you do relise biology is FOUNDED on evolution)
and your book is still friggin wrong and you do relise that evolution IS 100% true (in a sense) but that doesn't mean you have to give up your fairy tale belief to understand what evolution is about
con
riotguards 1 year ago
al-qu'ran 21:30 doesn't say anything about a big bang for the big bang was an exsplotion the world was not formed before the big bang
al-qu'ran 41:11 is talking about clouds not cearlestial smoke as you meantioned BEFORE galaxies were formed (that means the earth was not formed yet) the verse is talking about clouds for there randomness to form out of no where
and guys i've been pm this guy he shouldn't be taken serious he believes the big bang but says evolution is false LOL
riotguards 2 years ago
@riotguards
yes cuz the Big bang is a fact and evolution is a false theory already refuted but Atheists still stick to it so they can escape away from believing in God.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
LOL thanks for proving me right
a theory is something which is given only to something with hundreds of facts as well as obserations
but a theory is not a FACT it is able to be disproved at anytime like gravity it could be proven that fairy dust keeps us all down and the theory would be corrected
and don't forget no one has claimed a noble prize for *debunking* evolution therefor it's false
riotguards 2 years ago
@riotguards
theory is something which u dun have 100% proof of.
lol....so many people have done so many good thinks but still they didn't got the noble prize....like for example the person who invented the computer...did he got the noble prize? no!
so u cant claim that just cuz the person who refuted the theory didn't got a noble prize means it is false...u even haven't read that book and dun know nothing but it but ur still making stupid claims.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
you oviously don't understand why there would be a noble prize
but since i'm nice i'll tell you
the reason that you'd get a noble prize is because if you managed to find evidance that a theory as strong as evolution is fals under reasons of X then you'd get countless upon countless awards for destroying a theory
and man i can't believe your still going on about that perfectic book which you linked me for the last time do reasearch and understand why he's wrong.
riotguards 2 years ago
@riotguards
i dun care about intelligent design theory....and its kinda stupid that since you even have read the whole book and are just arguing over it.
OK THE BOOK IS WRONG RIGHT? SO NOW I WANT YOU TO REFUTE THE WHOLE BOOK IF EVOLUTION IS CORRECT!!! YOU SAID IT WILL TAKE A MONTH. I DUN CARE! YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME. REFUTE THE BOOK EVEN IF IT TAKES A MONTH,SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR!!!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
here i'll refute it here and now
evolution is a scientific theory nothing has toppled it not even your properganda, no evidance has been put forward to put down evolution aside from the bible and quaran ect which has toppled under the truth
the only things wrong with evolution is that it's too hard for people to understand because there god fearing brains won't grasp reality
so it's either accept your wrong or your ignorant to accept the facts
riotguards 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
and btw the only one making stupid claims is you saying the big bang in the quaran is a good lol but saying evolution is false because intelligent design is the real reason just made me laugh so hard i nearly died
please upon please look up Intelligent design and see why it's so so so so so wrong hell if you want i'll link you a video why evolution is correct
riotguards 2 years ago
@riotguards
@riotguards
the book refutes "Evolution "SCIENTIFICALLY"....cuz its a rule in Islam that when ever make claims or present information we have to give evidence so here is the scientific evidence and please dont have that misconception again that "the theory is refuted because God did it or it is in the Bible or Quran"...there is no such blind faith in Islam but there is logical faith and we give scientific evidence to refute evolution. so read the book and refute those points.
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
yes i just refuted that book therefore your "none blind faith" is wrong as always.
please pick up a bioligy book before trying to refute somethign which isn't so hard to understand it doesn't do good for your IQ
oh btw have you even read a book which exsplains evolution because if you really did then you'd understand that the book has so many fallacyies
oh btw were not in fairy land were quran is right were in the magical land of real life you should try it someday
riotguards 1 year ago
@riotguards
oh yeah? that book gives references of evolutionary biologists and there statements...not any Muslims statements!
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
erm LOL if they give a statement agianst evolution then there not biologists. you do know biology is FOCUSED around evolution therefor you have to know evolution is fact otherwise your not going to be successful in the slightest
and what does muslin statements have to do with telling the truth and telling fairy tales hmmm...?
btw still waiting for an answer to my question.
riotguards 1 year ago
@riotguards
there many biologists which doubt or dun believe in evolution and iam waiting for you to refute the book i mean the book refutes evolution in the light of science. it mentions some great points regarding fossil findings,mutations,variations, genetics etc. and if the book is just some fairy tales by Muslim and evolution is 100% true, than whats the problem in refuting that book? i dun care about the time. you can take a whole year! but i want the book refuted if ur true.
XxXxhussamxXxX 1 year ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
Atheists don't want to escape from believing in God, they simply have no reason to believe there is one.
I'm sick and tired of having to believe books written by ignorant people thousands of years ago.
If God exists he knows how to make me believe, and than I will decide if he's worth worshiping.
saintpine 1 year ago
@riotguards
where does the Quran say...that the world was formed before the big bang?
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Btw, read ur Quran 50:38 again.
We.........Us? Who is We and Us? Either ur allah is a trinty, a twin or has many partners. Or We.....Us means Muhammad help ur Allah create stuff. That u muslim say Allah don't need man's help cuz he is almighty.
BUSTED ALLAH IS MORE THEN ONE!!!
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
I send that message to u so i can make u understand why is this but u didn't read it.
look i didn't except this from u. u dun have any respect for other religions......i never insulted ur religion but u did insult mine.
I just wanted to have a friendly and logical discussion with u about these topics but u turned it into a fight.
cant we just have a friendly discussion and in that u should not insult my religion?
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
No. I'm sorry, we can't. (I am an atheist by the way) Christians have been known to be the most intolerant of all religions. "Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men." - Voltaire
CommanderM001 2 years ago
And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us. (Qur'an 50:38)
U stated in one of ur earlier post: "That in the Quran it says the God created the heavens and the earth in 6 periods and not days like the bible. or it'll be a contradiction." Well what is this? 6 DAYS!!! AND NOT PERIODS.UR QURAN CONTRADICTS WHAT U PREACH.
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
In Arabic it is common that a word has more than one meanings so the word used for days has more 2 meanings which is periods and days.....the correct translation is periods!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Therefore there is no contradiction about the pillars. But I'm curious what does ur quran say about the earth being held up when there in nothing below or around it. Notice space has no floor or roof not even a table for the earth can sit. Does the earth float? How does it stay in one place when all that empty space is around it? Earth does not go up or down. WHO HOLDS IT!!!
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
lol.....Allah just says be and it happens. so whatever he wills that happens he doesn't need to hold the earth! he can maintain it without holding it cuz from his power.
Allah is not depandant on anything.
And when u say anything bad about Allah that means ur saying that about Jesus cuz we call God Allah and u Christians believe that Jesus is God so your insulting Jesus :P
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
"there many scientific contradictions in the Bible like for example...."the earth has pillars"
I forgot to respond to this.
That's ur problem science says "I must see before I believe." These pillars what u are referring too are the arms and hands of God. U don't see them becuz God is Spirit so he holds the earth by his will but science calls it gravity.
Q: Do u believe that God has a body? I will wait for ur answer before I continue on with this.
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
WHAT????
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Don't mess with me boy as u already know ur already a joke to me. I don't care what ur thoughts of the bible are and I careless for ur quran and ur Muhammad. I am a Christian and I will remain one until My Savior Jesus Christ has called me up....Oh about ur message It went straight to ole filing cabnet (the trash). Never did read it.
So there u have it ur Allah has been beaten by Eaglefan64.
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
SO IF U DIDNT READ MY MESSAGE THAN WHY ARE U COMMENTING ON MY VIDEOS U FOOL!!! IF U HATE ISLAM SO MUCH THAN GET LOST CUZ THESE ARE ISLAMIC VIDEOS AND NOT FOR YOU TO WATCH!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
"oh and why did it take six days for God to create the universe according to the book of Genesis when God says Be?"
If God would have created all things at once. What was the point of making a plan. But like u say ur Allah took 6 periods and not days. So I gave ur allah the blame why the world is screwed up.
THANK YOU I HATE UR ALLAH!!!
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
lol what does this mean?
haha...when u have been refuted than ur making silly arguments which dun make any sense!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
"Quran that Allah created the heavens and the earth in six periods! not days like the Bible or it would be a contradiction!"
When I was in school a period lasted 30 to 40 minutes, but at times an hour if Mrs Battleaxe wasn't on her period. Anyway if that's the kind of period ur Quran states that allah created. Then nowonder ur Islamic world is wacked and imperfect. UR ALLAH SCREWED UP!!!! He should've had a plan first. Now the world ur Allah created is one big mess.
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
lol when u have no argument than dont talk non-sense.....this is no argument,
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
XxXxhussamxXxX (19 hours ago)
ur so stupid your argument is like if God says be for everything than why does it take for him to create a baby for 9 months in the mothers womb?
Duh!!! Hello Becuz God cursed Eve to bear children dufus. Eve screwed the whole thing up she wanted to play God and now God gave weman the responsibilty of carring something inside of her. And for 9 months weman complain. WHY DO I HAVE TOO CARRY JR AROUND! I'M GETTING FAT!!!!
eaglefan64 2 years ago
@eaglefan64
Lol u Christians believe that God cursed Eve.
In Islam we believe that God forgave Eve.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Btw, don't bother sending me a message if it like more then a 100 words I just glance at them without reading the whole thing. So make it short and quick and make ur point without all that rambling on otherwise ur message goes in the waste basket.
eaglefan64 2 years ago
My message was less than 100 words....so see it.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
XxXxhussamxXxX (1 hour ago)
lol.....the Bible contradicts with modern science....
U mean modern science contradicts God of the bible. Science say's There is no God and all creation came into being by some form alien life. Evolution for example and of course the big bang theory. Science hasn't figured out how creation began so how can u say Science proves there is a God? Ur quran is based on what science can not figure out and that make ur allah false.
eaglefan64 2 years ago
Big Bang is a fact! It has been proven! and if your scripture doesn't say that than it is a contradiction....there many scientific contradictions in the Bible like for example...."the earth has pillars"
"and that make ur Allah false"
there is only one God and we Muslims call Jehovah Allah....so ur saying that Jehovah is false?....please read my message for this.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
erm big bang is not a fact it's a sceintific theory just like the theory of evolution and gravity
note that scientific theory is the best title given to somethin which is supported by hundreds if not thousands of facts and observations
and a theory just like anything else can get taken down if there's something which contridicts it (ie gravity can be proven to be goblins pulling people and things down with magical ropes)
riotguards 2 years ago
@riotguards
-theory is something which u dun have 100% proof of or if u have than that become a fact.
-gravity is a fact.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
By the way it is even said in the Quran that whatever Allah wants he says "be" and it happens!
Not without a Big Bang theory. Ur allah couldn't create the smallest paritcle of a cosmic dust. So what makes u think he could create something as big as the earth?
eaglefan64 2 years ago
ur so stupid your argument is like if God says be for everything than why does it take for him to create a baby for 9 months in the mothers womb?
oh and why did it take six days for God to create the universe according to the book of Genesis when God says Be?
so for somethings even God takes time and it is also said in the Quran that Allah created the heavens and the earth in six periods! not days like the Bible or it would be a contradiction!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Well, my Qur'an knowledge is limited, but doesn't it refer to stars as lights placed in the sky or something?
If that is true or at least similar, then this verse most likely merely suggests that the dome of heaven (the sky, not the universe) once was attached to earth and then somehow was cut off or hollowed out.
There is no literal talk about the complete universe and how it's made up, and even this is a hint at it, why not include ALL the aspects of that event?
I'm not convinced.
JewTubeUsername 2 years ago
P.S.:
I'm not a Jew... so don't bring any of that into consideration/judgment, please.
JewTubeUsername 2 years ago
Quran is a book of divine guidance and not a science book! So that's why there aren't the details cuz religion is something that even a illiterate lame men should understand and now if every single details would be there like science tells us so it would be very confusing to understand for such a person!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
No, a god that can do everything can also explain to the most idiotic and illiterate person something if the wants to.
A god isn't called almighty, omnipotent, for nothing.
You tell me he can create the world and the people in it, but not write a book with the answers and hints to the universe (which he seems to have done, seeing how he hinted at the big bang) that is not understandable by everyone?
You need to give that god a little more credit, then.
JewTubeUsername 2 years ago
yes i agree with you that God can explain the most idiotic person anything he wants to and that's why the whole process in which human embryo is developed is explained in such away that scientists have testified that there is no way someone can know the microscopic work 1400 years ago and this is more easier to understand than how science teaches us.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX says "scientists have testified that there is no way someone can know the microscopic work 1400 years ago"
This is ridiculous, the Koran has so little and everything was known over 2000 years ago.
The so called scientific commission was a ridiculous fake and well paid for, because no scientist is allowed to make religious declarations.
A scientist cannot say "it's incredible, therefore it must come from Allah", he could loose his reputation.
saintpine 1 year ago
I tell u man that word "we" in ur quran sounds alittle out of place. U muslims believe that there is only one God. But ur Al Qu'ran 21 confirms that there is another. How can the book u trust speak of a "We" when u preach there is no other then allah? Looks like ur quran contradicts what u preach cuz when "we" is mentioned that means more then one is present?
Again Who is "We" spoken in ur verse?
eaglefan64 2 years ago
Regarding this ill send u a message!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Btw, I took a glance of this video and I have a question. In ur opening verse from Al Qu'ran 21 it say's in the latter part. "We're joined together before "WE" cloved them assunder"
Q: Who is "We?" Does this mean allah is a trinity or is he a double set? Why doesn't it say "Were joined together before "I" (allah) cloved them assunder" U have some explaining to do?
eaglefan64 2 years ago
The science of the quran show how weak ur allah is. Does he really need a big bang to create something? My God just say's a word and all thing come into existance. In the beginging God created the heavens (the sky and space) and the earth. Gensis 1:1 The bible does not say God formed bits and pieces (the big bang) first and then created the heavens and the earth. He spoke a word "Let there Be" and it was so. (cont)
eaglefan64 2 years ago
lol.....the Bible contradicts with modern science regarding the creation of the universe cuz Big Bang is a fact!.....and Bible the alleged "word of God" doesn't speak of it! it might be that God spoke of it in the Bible when it was the true word of God way back but now it doesn't! this proves that the Bible was corrupted by men! that's why God send Muhammad the last and final prophet!
By the way it is even said in the Quran that whatever Allah wants he says "be" and it happens!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
Ok lovely the Quran talks about the big bang but where does it talk about Allah creating the 'smoke' which was here before the big bang happened?
Also if galaxies are moving away from the earth why is the sun moving closer towards the earth each year? Surely the sun would be moving further away from the earth too.
MrMartinJS 2 years ago
You don't know science well.
1) the smoke was not before the Big Bang but came after the Big Bang which later formed into galaxies.
2) universe is expanding and that was discovered by Edwin Hubble and it is a fact.
As you know that sun is a star and stars run a a course in which nuclear explosions continuously keep happening on them and slowly when the nuclear explosions will finish and as they are finishing the star will grow bigger.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
so that's why the sun is also getting bigger but the problem is that the universe is expanding and the galaxies are moving away "not from the earth" earth is in a galaxy, but the speed in which the galaxies are moving is slow as compared to the speed in which sun is getting bigger so that's why the sun is getting closer to earth.
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
Also the sun is not growing like you've said. The sun is actually shrinking. The sun loses an estimate of 2 1/2 miles of diameter each year. A million years ago the sun would have been 6 times its current size. For some who doesn't understand science well I'm doing pretty good.
I know that sun is shrinking not growing as facts because I studied a lot about this so I should have the answer. I got my answer from scientist who study the sun daily.
MrMartinJS 2 years ago
Really than why does science say that the sun will become a red "GIANT"?
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
Well if some scientists believe the sun is shrinking and others say it will become a red giant, who's correct? Without doing the studies for ourself we can only choose what to believe.
You know what I believe, and I have seen numerous videos of scientists talking about how the sun is shrinking and will eventually burn out. I'm sure in religion it talks about how the sun will eventually burn out too.
MrMartinJS 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
I would also like to add before you judge me again that I know the earth is in a galaxy. I wanted to know what is happening to the stars within a galaxy.
MrMartinJS 2 years ago
you know what? The Quran also talks about the course of the sun:
And the Sun runs its course
for a period determined
for it; that is
the decree of (Him)
the exalted in Might,
the All-Knowing.
[Al-Quran 36:38]
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
In Arabic a single word has many meanings like the Arabic word "alaqah" has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.
So the Arabic word for smoke which is in that verse is "Dukhaan" and it has also many meanings. the 2 meanings of it which i know are vapor and smoke. so its up to the translator what they should translate that word into like for example in the Yusuf Ali translation it is smoke but in Shakir translation it is vapor!
XxXxhussamxXxX 2 years ago
@XxXxhussamxXxX
I don't know science well? Nice comment Hussam. I'm only asking questions to try and understand Islam. You should understand.
I'm sure you said in this video that the smoke was here before the big bang and then Allah told it to come together to create earth.
Now you're saying the smoke was not before the big bang. In that case what was here before that big bang? Surely something had to come together to cause it to happen.
MrMartinJS 2 years ago