@caliboy2596 There's no comical explanation to the fact that nearly all of them blow up after 50k miles. Rotaries are fun, and entusiastic, but not great at all. What's a nikka? Sounds like an RC car brand. Mazdaspeeds aren't Mazda's either by the way. They're not made at Mazda facilities. Kinda like how Lingenfelter isn't Chevy, Hennesy isn't Dodge. etc... You sound 16, you talk like a 16 year old, and any troll that thinks an RX7 is merely wonderful doesn't need to open their mouth.
@caliboy2596 Wow, the two most least reliable Mazda's ever built. What a way to point out nothing. You've never driven a single one, and guess what, mommy's not gonna buy you one either when you turn 16.
@kgdmx201 should have just supercharged your si. my friends civic is stage 2 supercharged and its faster than any ms3 around here, much better powerband, and more reliable. also better fuel economy. i have a similar car to a ms3 and i prefer the civic but its whatever.
yeah i feel you.. i would choose a speed3 over an si. but i dont keep cars longterm.. ive never had a car longer than two years... my speed3 just turned 42k and itll be gone by the time it hits 60k. not a fan of how mazda put the car on the market with so many flaws but its still a great bang for buck.. cheapest 307whp ive had on a new car to date
But drive a speed3, look at cheap boltons for it. ive driven an si for 4 weeks and i loved it.. until i drove the mazda... IMO the mazda is the better more fun car and with $500 in upgrades( intake, Downpipe, untuned) you gain 50-60whp.. anything stock turbo'd will always be a little easier to work with IMO. that all being said.. thecivic is a great car but unless youre gonna spend over 5 to 6k in engine mods ms3 ftw. most people wont buy more than intake and exhaust for a car
I bought my Crystal White Pearl 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 for $23,400 + Tax, and that was the Grand Touring model with all the bells and whistles. Maybe you guys just don't know how to buy a car...
@bouncer07 Dude that is actually NOT TRUE!!! The OTD (out the door price) for an SI is well over $24,000 well packaged. The OTD for a 2008-2009 model MS3 GT well packed is a little over $25,000. I know because I owned them both. I still own the MS3 and I will confirm that i raced and beat a STAGE 2 COMPTECH SUPERCHARGED RSX TypeS with just TWO (2) modifications. One being the Turbo Inlet Pipe and the other was a Short Ram Intake. Both less than $400 bucks. KNOW your info before speaking please!
@mustbecree Turbo inlet pipe? I thought he was supercharged? And sri's are horrible on sc'd cars. The compressor on the sc get's extremely hot so having hot air coming into it really sucks.
poor white MS3, how dare they pick on your stockness. if i was there i would save you and walk all over these NA cars. Civic kinda sounded nice tho =)
CIA and tune Speed would murder it. Cia alone adds 25 hp/ 60 torque to the tires. That is a cost of around $1000 depending on which way you go. Spend the same on both cars MS3 will always win.
The Mazda is $5K more in Canada. If you took the $5K and bought a Rotrex SC from TTS, the civic would destroy it. Search TTS Rotrex Time attack Civic type R.
I always cringe when I see a MS3 accelerate hard after reading that not enough loctite was used on the engine mounts leading to some of the engines dropping. The turbo seals are weak as well, other than that, great car. My 2nd choice.
The 2006+ Civic Si is not made in Canada, instead, you get the Acura CSX (MSRP: $27490), which, consequently, costs over $5000 more than a USDM Civic Si (MSRP: $22205). Why get a Si when you have to mod it just to keep up with family sedans and SUV's?
Nice cars both of them for sure, but to compare both of these cars is a little ridiculous. They both aren't N/a, one with a Supercharger, one with a Turbo. What people don't realize, is the manufacturer doesn't max out the psi for an engine, they use a number that can be comfortable for daily driving etc. Put no mods in the S3, and get a tune with more boost, and these cars are neck in neck if not the Mazda wining.
O yeah and to add, it was a nicely done video, not like these other videos you see on here that are 15 secs long with the wind blaring and shitty starts etc.
funny how all the honda fan boys are raving about a sc si beating a stock ms3. Thats a big accomplishment for them i guess, "yes! my modded car can smoke a stock car in the same class". I say it was a better race for the ms3, being stock and competing with modded cars in the same class. That ms3 just need to spend on and intake ($175) and it will probably be head to head or even beat it.
@XxStalkerxSasquachXx a stock si will not beat a stock ms3 if drivers are equally skilled. Don't mistake a regular mazda 3 for a speed 3. Stock si and stock gti run similar numbers but a stock ms3 will beat them both
It's true, i've seen bolt-on flashpro Si beating stock MS3. But if the MS3 is heavily modded then the Si definitely needs some kind of forced induction to level the playing field.
@NtoxicatedME NOi disagree, then mazda has a turbo, and the si has a SC, hondas are the fastest na 4 bangers on the planet, so when u modd them, they are monsters, most 6 and some 8 cyl cars cant beat a stock 4 cyl honda, its fact, for example Hondas 4 cyl dohc has less hp than toyota, mazda gm, ford, nissan 6 cyl engines, but the hanoda will rip them a new one, not the 300 hp nissan but anything less than 260 cant touch em
You do realize that the MS3 is turbocharged? I'd say that this is just evening the playing field. The speed 3 has more displacement and is boosted so I don't see where you are coming from.
what many of you tuner haters dont realize, is that we buy cars way cheaper than your " stock " cars, and evan after modding them, still spent less on our force inducted civics than you have on your bone stock mustangs and factory turbo'd vehicles. its about power per dollar. and we just like our cars more :)
1st of all...if you look at the headlights on the ground, it looks like much more than half a car. I would say car AND half...
2nd of all...this guys are going from a roll. MS3 has what? 250whp with torque and Si prob has the same with supercharger but a little lighter and that's why the MS3 got PULLED...
I find it comical that people throw around peak number when the numbers UNDER THE CURVE is what counts. With that said, the SI..even in stock trim has a more linear torque curve even though it makes significantly less torque vs the MS3. It's not about peak torque it's about how it's delivered.
Um to get a CT supercharger only cost about 3200. His other mods maybe come out to another 800-900 dollars. Where did you get 8000 from? Not to mention the Si has an MSRP of 21,905 and the Speed3 an MSRP of 23,410. If you get the GT model speed3(msrp of 24,455) only then do you get a 222w 7 speaker bose system. That comes standard with the Si oh and it's a 350w system.
I DONT FUCKIN CARE MOTHER FUCKER .TAKE OFF YOUR FUCKIN TURBO. NO BOOST AND I"LL RACE YOU TO DEATH. N/A vs N/A. Perhaps you're not a real MAN that's why you can't do it.
i love the si but when it comes down to money its cheaper to go with the ms3 then buy a si then put a 4k supercharger on it. buy a used 3 for the same price as a used si and put 1k into the 3 and race big boy cars =]
i was just watching some video where the guy was racing a stock Si vs. the speed3.....and it pulled a little bit......forced induction on the Si makes a VERY VERY different story....bring on more boost to the mazda to even things up now :p
I drive a modded si that now runs high 13's n/a on a good day but i've seen videos on here with speed 3's running 13's stock so its a pretty impressive fwd car.
I've owned both Honda's and Mazda's. Both great cars. But a Supercharger will beat a Turbo..especially a supercharger put on a Civic Si. Honda makes phenomonal engines. Of course, it's all about driving also. Gotta know your car.
lol get in vtec dude get in vtec rofl. like to see the race after the ms3 had some bolt on's maybe downpipe/intake/inlet pipe and a bpv, still think the si might come out on top that little fucker moved nice kill man.
08 CIVIC SI 197 HP. STOCK NA. MS3 260HP Stock TURBOED. What if we take off the turbo from MS3 do you think it will keep with the CIVIC. i dont think so. if you put the same MOD on both cars the SI will surely come on TOP
Same Price or not i dont care. and what beast are you talkin about? why dont you take off your turbo and race with a civic. JUST ALL MOTOR MAN. Let's see who's gonna win. and if you dont want that waht if i just turbo charged mine with same PSI you are running and then let's RACE.
you're a fucking dumb ass...you race what you got...if I were to detrubo the MS3 i'd still beat you because i'd get some higher compression pistons to even out the race...if you don't understand don't even bother responding...you cant win...stock for stock or modded to modded...end of story...you're a fucking dumb ass, when racing all motor means no nitrous, not takeing off a turbocharger that comes on a car stock...Give up on life or buy a new car
You are a retarded fag...you don't ask somene to take off a stock turbocharger to race them...if you can't beat someone's stock car that is in the same class then you shouldn't even bother trying...just give up on life and especially STFU
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O.k so you dont want to take off your turbo. O.K I'll FUCKIN race you with HYUNDAI GENESIS then. now it's fare TURBO ENGINE against TURBO ENGINE. now LET"S FUCKIN SEE HOW QUICK YOUR FUCKIN MS FUCKIN 3 IS.
Haha...this is pitiful...you clearly know nothing about cars and don't know when you're beat so u fucking choose a different car which, btw, only has 210 hp and weighs like 3300-3500 lbs...haha...just shut up
That's true man, I raced a 2.0T back when my Si was stock, and I pulled him a few cars all through 4th, I was really surprised since the 2.0T has more horses, but I guess it's kind of heavy and doesn't put as much horses to the wheel as the Si.
@sleeksilver let me rephrase this again because apparently you know more about my car's exact performance then even me, my GTI slaughters all that you named, period!
@sleeksilver and I'm not even talking about the 2.0L turbo or the VR6. I'm talking about the 1.8L turbo that hangs with CSLs up to my limited 135 and your talking about a speed3, rofl, get outta here. The only thing your speed3 has on my gti is that it's much more expensive, has more room and is heavier. Maybe the new 2.5L turbo can do some damage but the standard 2.3L turbo doesnt compensate for the heaviness that it has, so it goes without saying, you lose, HAHAHAHAH
Again, post some videos, e-thug, even though you don't need to. Why would your tuned GTI be limited to 135mph when ANY chip removes the top speed governor. You just PROVED that you are full of shit, good job.
There is no Mazda manufactured MZR 2.5 turbo. You have NO clue of what you are talking about.
@fukwaynecampaign2 LMAO your and idiot, you know nothing. a GTI is like 26k new i bought my speed3 22k new ur car pushes like 215HP stock mine pushed 263HP stock and 180 ft lb of Torque stock. I put 1k into my car with a tune and im pushing over 300HP and still haven't spent as much as i would of on a new GTI. I walk over GTI's like GTI's would walk over Prius's... maybe
@MrFlyestNerd 1st of all i didnt know that a new gti is more expensive then a speed3, your shit must be used then, 2nd of all I only spent $40 on a new air filter and I cranked the turbo valve up a bit thats it, therefore literally its stock, while you're talking about 1k done to the car, if I drop a K on a gti I would mop the floor and run laps around you, I think you fail at the consideration that a speed3 is much heavier then a gti, its not in the horses, its how fast you put them down.
@fukwaynecampaign2 lmao do you even have a GTI. heres the facts for you. A new gti MKVI at its cheapest retails for $5 less than a 11 ms3. the highest trimmed MKVI retails for $30k while the ms3 is still $4.5k cheaper. on to "your" MKIV only came with 180hp and honda tq (no offense to the honda guys) and stock the best 1/4 mile time it ran was 14.8. yo mean to tell me you cranked up the turbo valve, whatever that is, and your car will beat my 08 ms3 that runs 13.8 with just intake and a DP lol
@fukwaynecampaign2 i raced a MKV GTI and he had turbo back exhaust which includes a DP,intake, and a few other german toys that are pretty good for VWs i guess AND he crank his "turbo valve" ,lmao, up to 22psi. he kept up with me till about 100 and then i started pulling hard on him. More facts. the new gti weighs 240 pound less than a new ms3. i only have $500 in my car, the next 500 will be my tuner and with that I'm getting a minimum 300WHP i wanna see a GTI get to 300WHP safely with $1000
@MrFlyestNerd and for the record my mkIV wasnt 26k but 18.5K, nice bargaining you're getting at the dealership idiot rofl, as I told the other idiot above, GTI kills all that shit and thats a fact, you can sway the subject, the cost, the stats w/e, deep down inside you know you get slaughtered, period.
@MrFlyestNerd there you go GTI,more luxurious and better than a honda plus on my oddysey i negotiated 8 k down so get ur facts straight a GTi starts at 23,695 lol
Dude why are you so bent on making other people's cars worse so yours can beat it? I mean trying to make a MS3 go fast without its turbo is like you trying to launch your car from 3rd in a drag race. It's just not made to do it... Feel free to yell all the profanities you want at me it will certainly make you smarter........ But either way both cars are better than my 2.0 MZ3 anyway
MS3 is a lot more than that if you try to go buy one; dealers won't deal, whereas I got a steal on my Si. And as you said, the Si looks better : )
Much better stereo too. Both are cool cars, but I don't drag, I just do autox and trackdays, and it being a DD, I need the reliability that a turbo ain't gonna give me.
yeah, honda does lack torque, very true. the close gear ratio transmission helps make up for it though. but yeah an ms3 has like twice the torque at half the rpm. i suppose if you're gonna dump alot of money into a car it's just preference. which for me is si. however i'm thinkin about trading in the si for a g8 gt cause what's sweeter than a beast rwd sedan. any input on that?
I would think the ms3 has an even taller gear ratio. Only bad part about that is first gear is pretty much useless. SI is a great car either way you can't go wrong just calling it like I see.
Its not the fuel pump thats the problem since most ms3's are shooting rods through there block. Tuning wise the DISI gives problems and the ECU's are hard to crack.
and not that i'm running my mouth or ever was for that matter but there is just 1 more thing, i'm betting with a stock motor you're actually better off with the stock small turbo than that big gt35r, unless you build the motor. most likely the stock motor won't have enough rpm to drive that turbo and pull hard in all gears. plus if you just up the boost without building it up that's when you break stuff. you're gonna need more than just a few supporting mods for that turbo, way more than a few.
i love both these cars but i think stock equals ms3, equal mod money equals civic si. ajp makes a turbo kit for the si for only 5k that jumps a stock motor to 376hp. you can get over 500hp for not much more.
Dude you can say that but what happens when you put the same money into the already turbo ms3 which is built for it. You get more power. ms3's money for money will always be faster. I've owned civics and there great but they have no torque.
They have no torque because that how there designed. Generally a high revving motor has no torque. Both cars have things which are holding them back. FOr the MS3 its the lack of reliability when going for big numbers unless your forged. The SI has no Plug and Play so your not getting to much over 300 to the wheels. Both cars are great but there brand new and have issues.
Ive owned an SI and now have MS3. Both great cars but I prefer the Ms3. Not half as loud but putting down 60 + more whp.
si's are the best, they're the slowest in their class when stock but also the cheapest and when you use the money you saved to buy a s/c or turbo they rule the 25k class
nice race. both are good cars. but i got my si for 20k cash and love it. the ms3 is also a fun car and costs about 24k. i had a hard time choosing between these two. i rather spend an extra 4000 on a turbo kit for my si and bye bye ms3. the race here was with a supercharged si and it still won, a turbo si will kill the ms3 hands down.
LOL, let them put 3k+ plus in the Speed and watch the pwnage. And in this case you cant say shit since the speed 3's sell for less than the SI. I know I had an SI and paid about a grand over sticker and when I got my speed I paid less ;p
SO I say again, put 3k in that speed and watch the pwnage begin. I would think just a DP/intake/exhaust would do it tho.
Dont say shit tho since I owned the SI and my family is a buch of Honda Ricers :P
I bought an SI when the sedan first came out for O7 and paid 20k for it and paid the same for my MS3. My MS3 comes faster though and if I used 3k towards performance the Boosted SI stands no chance.
put another 3k into the MS3 when it's ALREADY turboed?come on man the SC on the SI pretty much evened things out and now you need more mods to stack the MS3's turbo to beat an si?
The Supercharger evened things out but the Tune by Hondata made it towards the SI's favor :d Im Biased since I own a speed 3, I dont hate on SI's but stock for stock the SI loses and put equal mod money into both cars and the speed 3 will win. Regardless what they come with or not since they are both the same price.
yeah i know that stock for stock a speed3 wins against an si.I'm not saying the speed3 is a bad car at all i know it's damn fast for a car just over 20 grand.i guess the only thing the si has over the speed3 is probably slightly better gas mileage but i guess that makes sense since it has less power and N/A
Lets say they both wanted to make 500+hp. You'd have to build both motors, increase fuel system efficiency and buy big turbo's, so i'd say it just depends on what route u take initially. In this case both builds can cost about the same, but since most ppl add parts peice by peice the SI becomes more expensive to mod.
never heard of an si selling for more than sticker. and what do you think of the 5k ajp turbo kit for si's that takes it to 376hp? do they have anything that good for ms3's?
Yea its called an atp garret turbo kit take your pick they have several options. Personally I'll have the gt35r which should get me anywhere from 500-600 wheel hp with supporting mods. Next time don't run your mouth about something you don't know.
No Im not I would be touching 500 to 600 whp in a mazdaspeed 3 with a garret gt35r but in actuality im not going to do that. I just said it to make a point to the guy that said there were no big turbos/hp out for the ms3. There are and there are people running those kinds of numbers. You can run up to 400 whp on stock block which is something I doubt an si could do.
I blew a d16y8 at 12 pounds of boost out of a td04 which would be only making like 200ish whp. I know it isn't the new si motor but its an example. Im not concerned with maxing a motor out either, I want to know what a motor can run reliably/daily. I don't think the si at 500whp is a decent example. I love honda though don't get me wrong. They have undtouchable trannies but when it comes to power the two don't compare unless you dump thousands and thousands into em.
I don't own a Si, but i still like it as well as the MS3, both cars can only handle so much power but after 300whp, that's when they both start having problems, if they're not tune properly or they're still using stock parts. no 500whp+ FWD is reliable/daily, unless it's fully built to handle the power. on the MS3 and the Civic Si forums, there aren't many people who make 300whp+ on stock block and stock internal, and not having a single problem. yes, they both need lots of moneys for powers.
Yeah from what I've seen the ms3 have no problems till about 350 wheel and only then do they have problems with the fuel pump. There are several guys running daily driven cars around the 400whp mark give 10 horse but not take. I would definately say 400 is the limit.
lol, intake and exhaust in the mayda might only allow it to keep up with the Si. Too bad this isnt a turbo Si, then the walked the mazda like a baby would of been more funny. Good idea for a run either way, Wish there was a good 3mile stretch to see who would come out on top at the end. I put my money on the Si
it's too bad aftermarket is the only way to make a Honda fast. You buy the car, and start out BEHIND in performance to many other cars & need to spend thousands on FI to just match or barely exceed the performance of a stock MS3. Too bad for honda kids that the company cant make a Direct Injected, high-torque, high-comp turbo engine from the factory because they dont trust themselves and dont have the experience. PS- a turbo upgrade is much easier than NA-SC conversion, thats for damn sure.
Honda can make Direct Injected, high-torque, high-comp turbo engine from the factory, but they just don't want to, because their cars are selling okay the way it is.
ah hahaaha. I love Honda ricers! Their excuses are always "well they could if they want to but they just dont want to" LOL come on, save the ricer excuses for all the races you're gonna lose.
Ricer? When did i mention anything about body kits and huge fart cans? The word RICE is misused by retards like you so much it loss all meaning. Like i said, Honda doesn't need that stuff, it's doing a hell of a job more than most companies there. So say nonsense shit all you want, Honda's smiling, and you're on youtube talking hard.
what makes you a ricer is your entire rationale and logic. Face it, Honda has no experience making a high torque engines. In fact there is NOT ONE engine in the entire Honda lineup, internationally, that makes as much torque as a simple little Mazda 2.3L GDI 4cyl, NOT EVEN HONDAS FIRST TURBODIESEL!! LOLOL So stop being a riceboy and making DUMB excuses. A good product sells itself, not a billion dollar ad campaign based on a dying reputation for reliability. Its why Mazda is successful.
My logic is rice? Wow, misusing the term again i see, how sad. You're just an idiot on the internet scream "rice rice rice" for apparently no reason. Until you can prove i'm a ricer, then you can label. Excuses and rice are 2 different things moron. Secondly Mazda is successful? you wish, none of their cars are even on the top 10 list. fact is Honda is way more successful than Mazda, look at how well Honda cars are selling compare Mazda cars even if the Mazda cars has more torque,
0% apr finance, and $3000 of the sticker price and still not selling well. Honda doesn't even do that kind of deals and their cars are still selling more than the Mazda cars.
Bottomline is Honda doesn't want to focus on the torque, the NSX doesn't have much torque, and it still kicking ass, with it light weight it doesn't need all that torque.
PS- 'ricer logic' also covers being a salesfloor racer :)
srsly
NSX is OLD & slow; like honda's progress on new technology. GOOD ENGINEERING is why a SMALL company with a SMALL marketing budget can make world acclaimed cars like Mazda3 thats consistently rated top of its class over appliances like the NEWEST Civic. Sad how an automaker gets it's own fans making excuses for them; like "they dont need to develop any new technologies or develop a better product to sell to dumbasses like me" lol
'doing better than' huh? you mean sales profits? Wow gee, a company's sales profits dont do me dick squat, homeslice... so am i reading that right?? i used to be a die hard honda fan in 94ish, thats about when their reputation, price and rating kept going up and their product value and uniqueness kept going down. still keep on top of their new techs though. SH-AWD was a good idea but now its too expensive and unrealible. VTEC's old news. How does A$IMO help me and my purchase of a honda?
yes profits, Honda is doing better than Mazda, and that's where it counts in the business world, built cars that will sale well, not a car that is fast and won't sell well. True, the price for the Honda cars are getting more expensive now a day, but it still sell well, so that's all they care about. as for now Honda is trying to be the greenest company, they're not really trying to compete in performance with the other makes now, that why they don't built the engine you mentioned earlier.
this actually wasnt a good choice of race...the ms3 should be modded. and then race and hopefully the Si wins! this isnt a kill...no offense to anyone
vtecnegro85 4 months ago
@vtecnegro85 yeah i agree its a good race. i have a ms3 lightly modded no tune yet but i'd def take that race if someone offered it. s/c Ks are nasty
TcToshi 1 month ago
haha I'm liking the outcome of these races ;D
aceasarsalad 7 months ago
@bouncer07 actually Jotech ran 11.9 all motor in an si,, im unsure on the fastest turbo civic time tho.
Vtak26 7 months ago
@caliboy2596 There's no comical explanation to the fact that nearly all of them blow up after 50k miles. Rotaries are fun, and entusiastic, but not great at all. What's a nikka? Sounds like an RC car brand. Mazdaspeeds aren't Mazda's either by the way. They're not made at Mazda facilities. Kinda like how Lingenfelter isn't Chevy, Hennesy isn't Dodge. etc... You sound 16, you talk like a 16 year old, and any troll that thinks an RX7 is merely wonderful doesn't need to open their mouth.
DontTakeItCirrusly 7 months ago
@caliboy2596 Wow, the two most least reliable Mazda's ever built. What a way to point out nothing. You've never driven a single one, and guess what, mommy's not gonna buy you one either when you turn 16.
DontTakeItCirrusly 8 months ago
I just sold my 08 civic si and bought a speed 3 and it is hands down way faster. Better in every way
kgdmx201 8 months ago
@kgdmx201 should have just supercharged your si. my friends civic is stage 2 supercharged and its faster than any ms3 around here, much better powerband, and more reliable. also better fuel economy. i have a similar car to a ms3 and i prefer the civic but its whatever.
Dart00Z 8 months ago
@bouncer07
yeah i feel you.. i would choose a speed3 over an si. but i dont keep cars longterm.. ive never had a car longer than two years... my speed3 just turned 42k and itll be gone by the time it hits 60k. not a fan of how mazda put the car on the market with so many flaws but its still a great bang for buck.. cheapest 307whp ive had on a new car to date
125sxking 8 months ago
@bouncer07
But drive a speed3, look at cheap boltons for it. ive driven an si for 4 weeks and i loved it.. until i drove the mazda... IMO the mazda is the better more fun car and with $500 in upgrades( intake, Downpipe, untuned) you gain 50-60whp.. anything stock turbo'd will always be a little easier to work with IMO. that all being said.. thecivic is a great car but unless youre gonna spend over 5 to 6k in engine mods ms3 ftw. most people wont buy more than intake and exhaust for a car
125sxking 9 months ago
@bouncer07
if you know how to bargain u can get a fully loaded ms3 GT w/ nav for 24-25k after tax man.
bought mine used with 10k miles for 15.5k..
125sxking 9 months ago
I bought my Crystal White Pearl 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 for $23,400 + Tax, and that was the Grand Touring model with all the bells and whistles. Maybe you guys just don't know how to buy a car...
RapierTL 9 months ago
I call bs on the modlist, no s/c.
pNOYjOSH 9 months ago
@bouncer07 Dude that is actually NOT TRUE!!! The OTD (out the door price) for an SI is well over $24,000 well packaged. The OTD for a 2008-2009 model MS3 GT well packed is a little over $25,000. I know because I owned them both. I still own the MS3 and I will confirm that i raced and beat a STAGE 2 COMPTECH SUPERCHARGED RSX TypeS with just TWO (2) modifications. One being the Turbo Inlet Pipe and the other was a Short Ram Intake. Both less than $400 bucks. KNOW your info before speaking please!
mustbecree 9 months ago
@mustbecree Turbo inlet pipe? I thought he was supercharged? And sri's are horrible on sc'd cars. The compressor on the sc get's extremely hot so having hot air coming into it really sucks.
pNOYjOSH 9 months ago
poor white MS3, how dare they pick on your stockness. if i was there i would save you and walk all over these NA cars. Civic kinda sounded nice tho =)
xMS3xGeNoCiDe 9 months ago
How much power and boost and mods on both cars. I have a turbo RSX. I love a boosted K20
MaddDogg81 9 months ago
Put that same amount of money into the ms3 and post that vid... We'll see the si a couple of car lengths back!
tfnb04 1 year ago
Speed 3 put up a good fight ... Si ftw!!
bustacap12 1 year ago
@bustacap12 si lost
plehdehgame 1 year ago
@plehdehgame What video were you watching lol ..??
bustacap12 1 year ago
Vtech... is all noise, but not that much go
xXDsulliDXx 1 year ago
Get in Vtech! You guys are fucking morons
musefan321 1 year ago
CIA and tune Speed would murder it. Cia alone adds 25 hp/ 60 torque to the tires. That is a cost of around $1000 depending on which way you go. Spend the same on both cars MS3 will always win.
supralp21 1 year ago
@supralp21
TTS Rotrex Time attack Civic type R
KrazyKanuker 1 year ago
Scoobster has a point ms3 is only running at not even 10 psi if the ms3 was modded like the civic it would be pure rape!!!!
mazda6iscool 1 year ago
@mazda6iscool 15.6 or around there is the stock boost for the ms3
supralp21 1 year ago
@mazda6iscool
The Mazda is $5K more in Canada. If you took the $5K and bought a Rotrex SC from TTS, the civic would destroy it. Search TTS Rotrex Time attack Civic type R.
I always cringe when I see a MS3 accelerate hard after reading that not enough loctite was used on the engine mounts leading to some of the engines dropping. The turbo seals are weak as well, other than that, great car. My 2nd choice.
KrazyKanuker 1 year ago
@KrazyKanuker
Research > You
The 2006+ Civic Si is not made in Canada, instead, you get the Acura CSX (MSRP: $27490), which, consequently, costs over $5000 more than a USDM Civic Si (MSRP: $22205). Why get a Si when you have to mod it just to keep up with family sedans and SUV's?
mikeba6 1 year ago
@mikeba6
incorrect
Eighth generation Si
FA5/FG2
Production 2006–present
Assembly Alliston, Ontario, Canada
Sumaré, São Paulo, Brazil (from January 2008–present
KrazyKanuker 1 year ago
@KrazyKanuker i dont think it was the loctite. there was a service report to torque one of the engine mounts higher.
supralp21 1 year ago
ms3 suck....... civic si rules!
dheydhey26 1 year ago
vtech?
K20SK2 1 year ago
he talks about vtech like its nos or something
bspear88 1 year ago
Nice cars both of them for sure, but to compare both of these cars is a little ridiculous. They both aren't N/a, one with a Supercharger, one with a Turbo. What people don't realize, is the manufacturer doesn't max out the psi for an engine, they use a number that can be comfortable for daily driving etc. Put no mods in the S3, and get a tune with more boost, and these cars are neck in neck if not the Mazda wining.
Scoobster1287 1 year ago
O yeah and to add, it was a nicely done video, not like these other videos you see on here that are 15 secs long with the wind blaring and shitty starts etc.
Scoobster1287 1 year ago
Haha nice vid, getting my comptech supercharger in about a week for my habi coupe. Good kill.
Dstn2340 1 year ago
awesome my 2 favorite cars!!!
Habibu21 1 year ago
funny how all the honda fan boys are raving about a sc si beating a stock ms3. Thats a big accomplishment for them i guess, "yes! my modded car can smoke a stock car in the same class". I say it was a better race for the ms3, being stock and competing with modded cars in the same class. That ms3 just need to spend on and intake ($175) and it will probably be head to head or even beat it.
NtoxicatedME 1 year ago
@NtoxicatedME
I'm not raving about it. I can beat my buddies ms3 in my civic si and i have bolt-ons and a tune. Dude in this video can't drive.
w00t692 1 year ago
@NtoxicatedME It would still beat it stock.
XxStalkerxSasquachXx 1 year ago
@XxStalkerxSasquachXx a stock si will not beat a stock ms3 if drivers are equally skilled. Don't mistake a regular mazda 3 for a speed 3. Stock si and stock gti run similar numbers but a stock ms3 will beat them both
NtoxicatedME 1 year ago
disagree ))) you should learn how turbo and supercharge work ))) of course MPs may have about 20hp more but there is big difference in the weight ))
lanlug 1 year ago
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dunkchamp 1 year ago
@NtoxicatedME
It's true, i've seen bolt-on flashpro Si beating stock MS3. But if the MS3 is heavily modded then the Si definitely needs some kind of forced induction to level the playing field.
dunkchamp 1 year ago
@NtoxicatedME Stock for stock the ms3 has a huge hp advantage anyways, so boosting an si only levels the playing field.
krazykarlfensley 1 year ago 2
@NtoxicatedME NOi disagree, then mazda has a turbo, and the si has a SC, hondas are the fastest na 4 bangers on the planet, so when u modd them, they are monsters, most 6 and some 8 cyl cars cant beat a stock 4 cyl honda, its fact, for example Hondas 4 cyl dohc has less hp than toyota, mazda gm, ford, nissan 6 cyl engines, but the hanoda will rip them a new one, not the 300 hp nissan but anything less than 260 cant touch em
isiahlilman 1 year ago 2
@NtoxicatedME
You do realize that the MS3 is turbocharged? I'd say that this is just evening the playing field. The speed 3 has more displacement and is boosted so I don't see where you are coming from.
97preludeshvtec 1 year ago
Well considering the ms3 has a bigger motor and is turboed. I would say its fair.
IAmTheRealAsif 1 year ago
@NtoxicatedME
what many of you tuner haters dont realize, is that we buy cars way cheaper than your " stock " cars, and evan after modding them, still spent less on our force inducted civics than you have on your bone stock mustangs and factory turbo'd vehicles. its about power per dollar. and we just like our cars more :)
mbrishke 1 year ago
good for stock mazdaspeed
llamHxC101 2 years ago
@SeanAxela dude an ms3 is turbo charged. wtf r u talking about.
bamuchem 2 years ago
my buddy has a video on here racing a mazdaspeed 3.
w00t692 2 years ago
flashpro and the honda would have pulled even harder. could get a good 20 more whp with flashpro. probably more
Dart00Z 2 years ago
not true
mikej205 2 years ago
1st of all...if you look at the headlights on the ground, it looks like much more than half a car. I would say car AND half...
2nd of all...this guys are going from a roll. MS3 has what? 250whp with torque and Si prob has the same with supercharger but a little lighter and that's why the MS3 got PULLED...
Let's not be fan boys and state the FACTS...
dominithuggin 2 years ago 5
speed3 have more torque than hp
si probably do got same horse power but like 200 torque.. lol
NJOiii 2 years ago
I find it comical that people throw around peak number when the numbers UNDER THE CURVE is what counts. With that said, the SI..even in stock trim has a more linear torque curve even though it makes significantly less torque vs the MS3. It's not about peak torque it's about how it's delivered.
blkguynlex 2 years ago
@NJOiii I wish my si had 200TQ
GFXAddict 1 year ago
Not to mention that the MS3 engine is asthmatic after 5,500 rpms.
hondacar 2 years ago
SI, MAZDA HAS CRAPPY ENGINES!
fu5eresakd 2 years ago
i need to install a CAI in my speed3 just to be prepared for the supercharged Si's on the road.
TheTongMan 2 years ago 2
hahahaha dude hit vtec right now, hit vtec right now! u won't keep up if don't hit vtec, hit it right now hit right NOW!!
zhuorong123 2 years ago 26
zomg keep it in vt@k y0!!!!!!
damianraver 2 years ago
keep it in vtec hahahah wow makes me wanna sell my si with that comment ROFL!!
hoodedddrops 2 years ago 4
"dude, just keep it in vtak" ROFL
RossDawg8 2 years ago 4
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mazdaspeed 3's are for pusssies!!!!!! hahaha
DPGC8 2 years ago
The VTEC Just kicked in, YO!
CharlieChuno 2 years ago
mark6020cc thats no ones fault that you cant afford turbo
wisniaPl628 2 years ago 3
haha, thats right Honda freaks, just PRAY the next Mazdaspeed you race in your $8000 highly modified mario go-kart is stock or on stock turbo!!
chabbalato 2 years ago 2
Um to get a CT supercharger only cost about 3200. His other mods maybe come out to another 800-900 dollars. Where did you get 8000 from? Not to mention the Si has an MSRP of 21,905 and the Speed3 an MSRP of 23,410. If you get the GT model speed3(msrp of 24,455) only then do you get a 222w 7 speaker bose system. That comes standard with the Si oh and it's a 350w system.
Metalhead852 2 years ago 2
MOTOR TO MOTOR can be STOCK TC TO STOCK N/A
eag8999 2 years ago
I DONT FUCKIN CARE MOTHER FUCKER .TAKE OFF YOUR FUCKIN TURBO. NO BOOST AND I"LL RACE YOU TO DEATH. N/A vs N/A. Perhaps you're not a real MAN that's why you can't do it.
mark6020cc 2 years ago
hey what type of car is the camera car?
SilentAssassin 2 years ago
i love the si but when it comes down to money its cheaper to go with the ms3 then buy a si then put a 4k supercharger on it. buy a used 3 for the same price as a used si and put 1k into the 3 and race big boy cars =]
sapperROSS 2 years ago 7
i was just watching some video where the guy was racing a stock Si vs. the speed3.....and it pulled a little bit......forced induction on the Si makes a VERY VERY different story....bring on more boost to the mazda to even things up now :p
xitup1 2 years ago
SI FTW, now imagine honda made a civic stock turbo. It will eat all other cars!
fmdskmfkdsfdfdsfdsfd 2 years ago 4
I drive a modded si that now runs high 13's n/a on a good day but i've seen videos on here with speed 3's running 13's stock so its a pretty impressive fwd car.
baila001 2 years ago 2
well, let me get this straight.
Bolt-on Si - 200whp = 13.9
Stock MS3 - 230-240whp = 13.4
Apparently N/A don't need more HP to be faster than F/I.
hangguy209 2 years ago
wow bashing on mazda bro what about a rx7 turbo. i love honda but rx7 is a monster...everybody agrees...here
noelscionracer 2 years ago
I'll race your RX7 but in one condition take off your TURBO. just all motor no turbo and let's see who's gonna come on top.
mark6020cc 2 years ago
I came on top of your mom.
Mazdaspeed 3 FTW!!
RapierTL 2 years ago
and i will come on top of your MOM and Sister too.
mark6020cc 2 years ago 3
I've owned both Honda's and Mazda's. Both great cars. But a Supercharger will beat a Turbo..especially a supercharger put on a Civic Si. Honda makes phenomonal engines. Of course, it's all about driving also. Gotta know your car.
CarFanInCali 2 years ago
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hgperformance 2 years ago
lol get in vtec dude get in vtec rofl. like to see the race after the ms3 had some bolt on's maybe downpipe/intake/inlet pipe and a bpv, still think the si might come out on top that little fucker moved nice kill man.
onesickms3 2 years ago
08 CIVIC SI 197 HP. STOCK NA. MS3 260HP Stock TURBOED. What if we take off the turbo from MS3 do you think it will keep with the CIVIC. i dont think so. if you put the same MOD on both cars the SI will surely come on TOP
mark6020cc 2 years ago
stock for stock = same price...don't be a gay honda fan and say TC it...bc for that money you could put it into the MS3 and have a beast...
eag8999 2 years ago 3
Same Price or not i dont care. and what beast are you talkin about? why dont you take off your turbo and race with a civic. JUST ALL MOTOR MAN. Let's see who's gonna win. and if you dont want that waht if i just turbo charged mine with same PSI you are running and then let's RACE.
mark6020cc 2 years ago
you're a fucking dumb ass...you race what you got...if I were to detrubo the MS3 i'd still beat you because i'd get some higher compression pistons to even out the race...if you don't understand don't even bother responding...you cant win...stock for stock or modded to modded...end of story...you're a fucking dumb ass, when racing all motor means no nitrous, not takeing off a turbocharger that comes on a car stock...Give up on life or buy a new car
eag8999 2 years ago 4
Do it then MOTHER FUCKER. take off your turbo JUST ALL MOTOR and i will FUCKIN RACE YOU TO DEATH.
mark6020cc 2 years ago
you stupid this si is not NA it have supercharger....
wisniaPl628 2 years ago
You are a retarded fag...you don't ask somene to take off a stock turbocharger to race them...if you can't beat someone's stock car that is in the same class then you shouldn't even bother trying...just give up on life and especially STFU
eag8999 2 years ago 3
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O.k so you dont want to take off your turbo. O.K I'll FUCKIN race you with HYUNDAI GENESIS then. now it's fare TURBO ENGINE against TURBO ENGINE. now LET"S FUCKIN SEE HOW QUICK YOUR FUCKIN MS FUCKIN 3 IS.
mark6020cc 2 years ago
Haha...this is pitiful...you clearly know nothing about cars and don't know when you're beat so u fucking choose a different car which, btw, only has 210 hp and weighs like 3300-3500 lbs...haha...just shut up
eag8999 2 years ago 2
yes race us with ur 4 cylinde turbo 220 hp genisis... hey even bring the 300 v6 model ill own both
onesickms3 2 years ago
You have NO idea what you are talking about.
A stock Mazdaspeed 3 would smoke a 3.8 Gen Coupe, so it goes without saying it would piss on your 2.0T.
A stock Civic Si is just as fast, if not faster than your 2.0T Gen Coupe.
sleeksilver 2 years ago 17
@sleeksilver i would like to see how a stock ms3 would smoke a 3.8gen coupe..
odalV 1 year ago
@odalV
Search on YouTube, I am sure there is a video or two.
The GC is an awesome vehicle, but it just isn't THAT fast in a straight line.
sleeksilver 1 year ago
@sleeksilver
That's true man, I raced a 2.0T back when my Si was stock, and I pulled him a few cars all through 4th, I was really surprised since the 2.0T has more horses, but I guess it's kind of heavy and doesn't put as much horses to the wheel as the Si.
dunkchamp 1 year ago
@sleeksilver my GTI kills all that shit
fukwaynecampaign2 6 months ago
@fukwaynecampaign2 GTIs are slow, even when chipped a stock MS3 will walk one.
sleeksilver 6 months ago
@sleeksilver let me rephrase this again because apparently you know more about my car's exact performance then even me, my GTI slaughters all that you named, period!
fukwaynecampaign2 6 months ago
@fukwaynecampaign2
Sure thing, gangsta thug.
Care to post a few videos of your own vehicle? Until then, you are full of shit.
sleeksilver 6 months ago 4
@sleeksilver and I'm not even talking about the 2.0L turbo or the VR6. I'm talking about the 1.8L turbo that hangs with CSLs up to my limited 135 and your talking about a speed3, rofl, get outta here. The only thing your speed3 has on my gti is that it's much more expensive, has more room and is heavier. Maybe the new 2.5L turbo can do some damage but the standard 2.3L turbo doesnt compensate for the heaviness that it has, so it goes without saying, you lose, HAHAHAHAH
fukwaynecampaign2 6 months ago
@fukwaynecampaign2
I lose?
Again, post some videos, e-thug, even though you don't need to. Why would your tuned GTI be limited to 135mph when ANY chip removes the top speed governor. You just PROVED that you are full of shit, good job.
There is no Mazda manufactured MZR 2.5 turbo. You have NO clue of what you are talking about.
sleeksilver 6 months ago
@fukwaynecampaign2 LMAO your and idiot, you know nothing. a GTI is like 26k new i bought my speed3 22k new ur car pushes like 215HP stock mine pushed 263HP stock and 180 ft lb of Torque stock. I put 1k into my car with a tune and im pushing over 300HP and still haven't spent as much as i would of on a new GTI. I walk over GTI's like GTI's would walk over Prius's... maybe
MrFlyestNerd 6 months ago
@MrFlyestNerd 1st of all i didnt know that a new gti is more expensive then a speed3, your shit must be used then, 2nd of all I only spent $40 on a new air filter and I cranked the turbo valve up a bit thats it, therefore literally its stock, while you're talking about 1k done to the car, if I drop a K on a gti I would mop the floor and run laps around you, I think you fail at the consideration that a speed3 is much heavier then a gti, its not in the horses, its how fast you put them down.
fukwaynecampaign2 6 months ago
@fukwaynecampaign2 lmao do you even have a GTI. heres the facts for you. A new gti MKVI at its cheapest retails for $5 less than a 11 ms3. the highest trimmed MKVI retails for $30k while the ms3 is still $4.5k cheaper. on to "your" MKIV only came with 180hp and honda tq (no offense to the honda guys) and stock the best 1/4 mile time it ran was 14.8. yo mean to tell me you cranked up the turbo valve, whatever that is, and your car will beat my 08 ms3 that runs 13.8 with just intake and a DP lol
TcToshi 1 month ago
@fukwaynecampaign2 i raced a MKV GTI and he had turbo back exhaust which includes a DP,intake, and a few other german toys that are pretty good for VWs i guess AND he crank his "turbo valve" ,lmao, up to 22psi. he kept up with me till about 100 and then i started pulling hard on him. More facts. the new gti weighs 240 pound less than a new ms3. i only have $500 in my car, the next 500 will be my tuner and with that I'm getting a minimum 300WHP i wanna see a GTI get to 300WHP safely with $1000
TcToshi 1 month ago
@MrFlyestNerd and for the record my mkIV wasnt 26k but 18.5K, nice bargaining you're getting at the dealership idiot rofl, as I told the other idiot above, GTI kills all that shit and thats a fact, you can sway the subject, the cost, the stats w/e, deep down inside you know you get slaughtered, period.
fukwaynecampaign2 6 months ago
@fukwaynecampaign2 man u must be half retarded lol. Gl in ur overpriced GTI lol.
MrFlyestNerd 6 months ago
@MrFlyestNerd PM me a link of a new GTI under 25k.... and dont say u bargined the dealership down 8k on a new car....
MrFlyestNerd 6 months ago
@MrFlyestNerd there you go GTI,more luxurious and better than a honda plus on my oddysey i negotiated 8 k down so get ur facts straight a GTi starts at 23,695 lol
omarfupa 5 months ago
@omarfupa i didnt get the Link and yea of course a GTI is better then a honda LMAO
MrFlyestNerd 5 months ago
+1 someone smart
wisniaPl628 2 years ago
ok, put the same K20 on with the same boost and you'll still loose and you'd have put atleast 5k into the car
eag8999 2 years ago
why tot ake of turbo how stupid you are...
wisniaPl628 2 years ago
Dude why are you so bent on making other people's cars worse so yours can beat it? I mean trying to make a MS3 go fast without its turbo is like you trying to launch your car from 3rd in a drag race. It's just not made to do it... Feel free to yell all the profanities you want at me it will certainly make you smarter........ But either way both cars are better than my 2.0 MZ3 anyway
wrightmazda3 2 years ago
actually the ms3 is about 2 g's more expensive. plus the si looks better =P
msuh08 2 years ago
MS3 is a lot more than that if you try to go buy one; dealers won't deal, whereas I got a steal on my Si. And as you said, the Si looks better : )
Much better stereo too. Both are cool cars, but I don't drag, I just do autox and trackdays, and it being a DD, I need the reliability that a turbo ain't gonna give me.
ActionJeans5000 2 years ago
sock for stock ms3 is the same as hond but mazda has 265hp stock and si 195?? or 200? stock mazda can fun
wisniaPl628 2 years ago
Mazda speed lost cuz it sucks, haha. Si is awesome. I love those little cars man!
mclachlan007 2 years ago
mazda speed lost everytime,and that's with a supercharger.turbo the si and the loss will be even greater.mazdas are weak.
NICOLASDC2GSRT 2 years ago
yeah i saw how insane 09 wrx's are when you do a redline launch. those cars are nuts. they're as fast as the 30k class.
Shoeman90 3 years ago
yeah, honda does lack torque, very true. the close gear ratio transmission helps make up for it though. but yeah an ms3 has like twice the torque at half the rpm. i suppose if you're gonna dump alot of money into a car it's just preference. which for me is si. however i'm thinkin about trading in the si for a g8 gt cause what's sweeter than a beast rwd sedan. any input on that?
Shoeman90 3 years ago
G8's are w/e
Id get a new subie or a Mugen RR :d
werkroks 3 years ago
I would think the ms3 has an even taller gear ratio. Only bad part about that is first gear is pretty much useless. SI is a great car either way you can't go wrong just calling it like I see.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago
Its not the fuel pump thats the problem since most ms3's are shooting rods through there block. Tuning wise the DISI gives problems and the ECU's are hard to crack.
werkroks 3 years ago
yeah shooting rods through blocks at highway cruising.
mitsufq360 3 years ago
Yup thats Mazda's crap rods for you :)
werkroks 3 years ago
and not that i'm running my mouth or ever was for that matter but there is just 1 more thing, i'm betting with a stock motor you're actually better off with the stock small turbo than that big gt35r, unless you build the motor. most likely the stock motor won't have enough rpm to drive that turbo and pull hard in all gears. plus if you just up the boost without building it up that's when you break stuff. you're gonna need more than just a few supporting mods for that turbo, way more than a few.
Shoeman90 3 years ago
that's why i did ask what they have for ms3s, so i do know for future reference. pretty sweet.
Shoeman90 3 years ago
i love both these cars but i think stock equals ms3, equal mod money equals civic si. ajp makes a turbo kit for the si for only 5k that jumps a stock motor to 376hp. you can get over 500hp for not much more.
Shoeman90 3 years ago
Dude you can say that but what happens when you put the same money into the already turbo ms3 which is built for it. You get more power. ms3's money for money will always be faster. I've owned civics and there great but they have no torque.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago
They have no torque because that how there designed. Generally a high revving motor has no torque. Both cars have things which are holding them back. FOr the MS3 its the lack of reliability when going for big numbers unless your forged. The SI has no Plug and Play so your not getting to much over 300 to the wheels. Both cars are great but there brand new and have issues.
Ive owned an SI and now have MS3. Both great cars but I prefer the Ms3. Not half as loud but putting down 60 + more whp.
werkroks 3 years ago
The ms3 block is very very reliable in almost all situations it is the fuel pump that is the problem. I agree with your statement though.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago 3
si's are the best, they're the slowest in their class when stock but also the cheapest and when you use the money you saved to buy a s/c or turbo they rule the 25k class
Shoeman90 3 years ago
If you s/c or turbo the si.. it's no longer in a 25k bracket. More in the 30's
mrhiguy 3 years ago 3
NO freakin way. Do you have any diea what you are talking about? Si cost about 21-22k. Maybe you are thinking about the RSX-S the Si is way cheaper.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
nice race. both are good cars. but i got my si for 20k cash and love it. the ms3 is also a fun car and costs about 24k. i had a hard time choosing between these two. i rather spend an extra 4000 on a turbo kit for my si and bye bye ms3. the race here was with a supercharged si and it still won, a turbo si will kill the ms3 hands down.
angels2k2006 3 years ago
LOL, let them put 3k+ plus in the Speed and watch the pwnage. And in this case you cant say shit since the speed 3's sell for less than the SI. I know I had an SI and paid about a grand over sticker and when I got my speed I paid less ;p
SO I say again, put 3k in that speed and watch the pwnage begin. I would think just a DP/intake/exhaust would do it tho.
Dont say shit tho since I owned the SI and my family is a buch of Honda Ricers :P
werkroks 3 years ago
That wasn't the MSRP taht was your stupidity for paying that much. Your argument doesn't hold up because no one else would have done what you did.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
What and why did you reply to me?
I bought an SI when the sedan first came out for O7 and paid 20k for it and paid the same for my MS3. My MS3 comes faster though and if I used 3k towards performance the Boosted SI stands no chance.
werkroks 3 years ago
I don't think I did. I think I was replying to someone that you replied to. Anyways it wasn't directed at you.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
My bad then
werkroks 3 years ago
put another 3k into the MS3 when it's ALREADY turboed?come on man the SC on the SI pretty much evened things out and now you need more mods to stack the MS3's turbo to beat an si?
khmerb0i 3 years ago
You must not know about V-takkkkk
The Supercharger evened things out but the Tune by Hondata made it towards the SI's favor :d Im Biased since I own a speed 3, I dont hate on SI's but stock for stock the SI loses and put equal mod money into both cars and the speed 3 will win. Regardless what they come with or not since they are both the same price.
werkroks 3 years ago 2
yeah i know that stock for stock a speed3 wins against an si.I'm not saying the speed3 is a bad car at all i know it's damn fast for a car just over 20 grand.i guess the only thing the si has over the speed3 is probably slightly better gas mileage but i guess that makes sense since it has less power and N/A
khmerb0i 3 years ago
Yea Mileage comes in but if your buying a sports car, mileage might not be on the top of someones list.
werkroks 3 years ago
Lets say they both wanted to make 500+hp. You'd have to build both motors, increase fuel system efficiency and buy big turbo's, so i'd say it just depends on what route u take initially. In this case both builds can cost about the same, but since most ppl add parts peice by peice the SI becomes more expensive to mod.
baila001 2 years ago
never heard of an si selling for more than sticker. and what do you think of the 5k ajp turbo kit for si's that takes it to 376hp? do they have anything that good for ms3's?
Shoeman90 3 years ago
Yea its called an atp garret turbo kit take your pick they have several options. Personally I'll have the gt35r which should get me anywhere from 500-600 wheel hp with supporting mods. Next time don't run your mouth about something you don't know.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago
Your not touching no 500 to 600 whp on an SI its just not happening.
werkroks 3 years ago
No Im not I would be touching 500 to 600 whp in a mazdaspeed 3 with a garret gt35r but in actuality im not going to do that. I just said it to make a point to the guy that said there were no big turbos/hp out for the ms3. There are and there are people running those kinds of numbers. You can run up to 400 whp on stock block which is something I doubt an si could do.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago
AJP have their 06 civic si up to 500whp+ on stock block and stock internal i believe. you can check out their videos.
hangguy209 3 years ago
I blew a d16y8 at 12 pounds of boost out of a td04 which would be only making like 200ish whp. I know it isn't the new si motor but its an example. Im not concerned with maxing a motor out either, I want to know what a motor can run reliably/daily. I don't think the si at 500whp is a decent example. I love honda though don't get me wrong. They have undtouchable trannies but when it comes to power the two don't compare unless you dump thousands and thousands into em.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago
I don't own a Si, but i still like it as well as the MS3, both cars can only handle so much power but after 300whp, that's when they both start having problems, if they're not tune properly or they're still using stock parts. no 500whp+ FWD is reliable/daily, unless it's fully built to handle the power. on the MS3 and the Civic Si forums, there aren't many people who make 300whp+ on stock block and stock internal, and not having a single problem. yes, they both need lots of moneys for powers.
hangguy209 3 years ago
Yeah from what I've seen the ms3 have no problems till about 350 wheel and only then do they have problems with the fuel pump. There are several guys running daily driven cars around the 400whp mark give 10 horse but not take. I would definately say 400 is the limit.
Cnr01ex 3 years ago 2
Everyone stop hating - and enjoy the show. Two very nice cars in different areas. Be safe everyone and buckle up, LOL! Thanks for sharing.
sargeant002 3 years ago
haha! go figure! mazda sucks! HAIL HONDA RACING!!!
beast16a2 3 years ago
lol, intake and exhaust in the mayda might only allow it to keep up with the Si. Too bad this isnt a turbo Si, then the walked the mazda like a baby would of been more funny. Good idea for a run either way, Wish there was a good 3mile stretch to see who would come out on top at the end. I put my money on the Si
Dickotine 3 years ago
good raqce good race.now just add a intake and exhaust to the speed and say good buy to the civic lol
akatopj22 3 years ago
LMFAO VTEC garbage.
supremewhip 3 years ago
it's too bad aftermarket is the only way to make a Honda fast. You buy the car, and start out BEHIND in performance to many other cars & need to spend thousands on FI to just match or barely exceed the performance of a stock MS3. Too bad for honda kids that the company cant make a Direct Injected, high-torque, high-comp turbo engine from the factory because they dont trust themselves and dont have the experience. PS- a turbo upgrade is much easier than NA-SC conversion, thats for damn sure.
chabbalato 3 years ago 2
Honda can make Direct Injected, high-torque, high-comp turbo engine from the factory, but they just don't want to, because their cars are selling okay the way it is.
hangguy209 3 years ago
ah hahaaha. I love Honda ricers! Their excuses are always "well they could if they want to but they just dont want to" LOL come on, save the ricer excuses for all the races you're gonna lose.
chabbalato 3 years ago
Ricer? When did i mention anything about body kits and huge fart cans? The word RICE is misused by retards like you so much it loss all meaning. Like i said, Honda doesn't need that stuff, it's doing a hell of a job more than most companies there. So say nonsense shit all you want, Honda's smiling, and you're on youtube talking hard.
hangguy209 3 years ago
what makes you a ricer is your entire rationale and logic. Face it, Honda has no experience making a high torque engines. In fact there is NOT ONE engine in the entire Honda lineup, internationally, that makes as much torque as a simple little Mazda 2.3L GDI 4cyl, NOT EVEN HONDAS FIRST TURBODIESEL!! LOLOL So stop being a riceboy and making DUMB excuses. A good product sells itself, not a billion dollar ad campaign based on a dying reputation for reliability. Its why Mazda is successful.
chabbalato 3 years ago
My logic is rice? Wow, misusing the term again i see, how sad. You're just an idiot on the internet scream "rice rice rice" for apparently no reason. Until you can prove i'm a ricer, then you can label. Excuses and rice are 2 different things moron. Secondly Mazda is successful? you wish, none of their cars are even on the top 10 list. fact is Honda is way more successful than Mazda, look at how well Honda cars are selling compare Mazda cars even if the Mazda cars has more torque,
hangguy209 3 years ago
0% apr finance, and $3000 of the sticker price and still not selling well. Honda doesn't even do that kind of deals and their cars are still selling more than the Mazda cars.
Bottomline is Honda doesn't want to focus on the torque, the NSX doesn't have much torque, and it still kicking ass, with it light weight it doesn't need all that torque.
hangguy209 3 years ago
PS- 'ricer logic' also covers being a salesfloor racer :)
srsly
NSX is OLD & slow; like honda's progress on new technology. GOOD ENGINEERING is why a SMALL company with a SMALL marketing budget can make world acclaimed cars like Mazda3 thats consistently rated top of its class over appliances like the NEWEST Civic. Sad how an automaker gets it's own fans making excuses for them; like "they dont need to develop any new technologies or develop a better product to sell to dumbasses like me" lol
chabbalato 3 years ago
Sad how Honda is doing better than Mazda and their fan boys won't accept the fact.
yes, they don't need to develop any new technologies or develop a better product to sell to a dumb asses like you.
BTW, I'm a MS3 fan myself but i don't hate on Honda or the other Makes, just letting you know that Honda can make better cars.
hangguy209 3 years ago
'doing better than' huh? you mean sales profits? Wow gee, a company's sales profits dont do me dick squat, homeslice... so am i reading that right?? i used to be a die hard honda fan in 94ish, thats about when their reputation, price and rating kept going up and their product value and uniqueness kept going down. still keep on top of their new techs though. SH-AWD was a good idea but now its too expensive and unrealible. VTEC's old news. How does A$IMO help me and my purchase of a honda?
chabbalato 3 years ago
yes profits, Honda is doing better than Mazda, and that's where it counts in the business world, built cars that will sale well, not a car that is fast and won't sell well. True, the price for the Honda cars are getting more expensive now a day, but it still sell well, so that's all they care about. as for now Honda is trying to be the greenest company, they're not really trying to compete in performance with the other makes now, that why they don't built the engine you mentioned earlier.
hangguy209 3 years ago