bull shit. players win rings with the help of their teammates superstar or no superstar. you act like the greatest player of all time didn't have help. He needed help from Scottie Pippen. Dirk needed from Terry(hes not a superstar but they wouldn't have won without him) shaq needed kobe. Kobe needed gasol. Tim needed ginobli and parker. so that argument about winning a ring by yourself makes no sense. chuck did have help, he was just unfortunate to be in the nba during the jordan era.
Charles would have destroyed Artest. Then Charles would have been more than happy to through blows and elbows with Artest. See, Artest acts crazy, Charles was crazy and leader; something Artest has never been.
@kklol7 well charles did have an amazing offensive game he was about 6'4 240 ron about 6'7 260 charles rarely played defense and charles is a fat washed up bitch i think ron has a ring what does charles have a beer belly there is not 1 better perimeter defender than ron ron and charles would not kill ron, not in a fight nor in the game of basketball prime or not it would not matter ive seen charles play for his whole entire career and have no respect for the man ( if you can call him that)
@ian9081 how can u play great defense when your 6'4-6'5 and playing against 7'0 PF's and beating them!
who cares bout championships they are earned by a team not a player. in that case ron artest is better then john Stockton, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Allen iverson, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Shawn Kemp, George Gervin,Pete Maravich and reggie miller look up charles stats and then look at artests nuff said
@ItsPeteDizzle obvously he wasnt beating them cause he has zero rings! and yes rings ARE won by teams no matter how good one guy is he will have an extremely hard time winning by himself... not saying artest is great but better than those guys obviouxly since he gots a ring, and it is won by teams but if a guy is contributing to that champion ship then there should be no problem douche bag.
god that guy is dumb....and c-webb was so loud they prab heard him in the next state over.....I dislike charles the most outta the 90's players but he is one of the top 50 greats and I'm sure he wouldn't auction a cham ring if he had one.....
@davedropd1 ron auctioned it off for a good cause... all proceeds went to mental health funds... what other player is that generous?! plus he says it will keep him hungry this year. for his "first" ring
@seeyousaturday well obviously you cant win every year right?i dont think it would be fun to watch basketball every year if my team the lakers won every year so yeah i guess that plan didnt work out that well. all i did was lay down a lil know how about the game now are yo gonna just talk crap or do you have anything smart to say?
To all the people saying charles doesn't have a ring remember this, their's a difference being a franchise player leading your team to the finals in a jordan era. Then getting picked up by one of the leading NBA championship franchise Lakers when the team was being stacked to win. What team did artest lead ??? He couldn't do it and cracked under the pressure, started having problems of the court cause he couldn't do it on the court.
@nvvm cracked under the prssure???!!! really ron averaged 13 6 and 3.5 last seasons playoffs he was our 4th offensive option. and who cares ok so your telling me you would rather keep losing and doing good individually and keep getting knocked off in the 2nd/3rd round than actually sacrificing some of your offense and going at a ring with other player's not everything needs to be done on a players ownself the year prior to ron coming to la he was getting 18 5 and 5 so stfu just cause charles wa
@nvvm s ok with not winning doesnt mean all other players are held to that standard... its better to actually be productive and win rings and chipping in to help win games than to be going off individually with a team that you will never go anywhere with... ray allen by himself great but never won shit ( by himself) K G great player by himself did he get a ring by himself??? PAUL PIERCE excellent player but didnt win until all 3 talents were combined look at lebron bosh and wade... teaming upftw
i was showering last night.. and i remembered this video. i proceeded to try and name 100 legitimate players who could be on the 100 greatest players off all time list.
not siding with ron or anything but i actually pass by queens bridge and it really is a dangerous place.. like if chris webber were to walk around mocking queens bridge in queens bridge i really doubt he would get out with his life.. but yea some things like that you just keep to yourself. if your from the hood and your a star then dont brag that your from the hood!
artest is a better defensive player,, but idk if artest defense is strong enough to handle sir charles....only way artest would take barkley is if he stayed out the hole nd used his speed
@Huskyowner2007 Ron Ron has a ring because he was clinging on to the Kobe train.
Ron Ron isn't that great of a player, he had clutch shots in game 7. but if you look at the stats, barkley was a much much much better player. he controlled his franchise, and if he played for a team other then the suns he probably would have a ring himself.
@Huskyowner2007 lol.You should go back in 2002 and watch the western finals. Chris webber shoulda got a RING But the refs was Gambling [If you dont believe me watch this /watch?v=1S3MTy75Ucs] . and plus Ron artest isnt even that good He's playing with the Best player in the league right now..
@Hoopfanify omg wow. I only made this user name because some kid DISSED THE HEAT...Im tired of people worrying about my name.leave me alone and ill leave you alone.
I actually like both these fools.. I kno Charles is a hall of famer and all that but he was undersized and i actually think Artest matches up against him well.. Cuz Ron is pound for pound one of the strongest in the Nba.. Chuck wouldnt drop 50 cuz to my knowledge Brandon Roy is the only player to drop 40+ when Artest was the primary defender.. But Jordan wit his speed n quickness would EAT Ron.
I actually like both these fools.. I kno Charles is a hall of famer and all that but he was undersized and i actually think Artest matches up against him well. Cuz Ron is pound for pound one of the strongest in the Nba.. Chuck wouldnt drop 50 cuz to my knowledge Brandon Roy is the only player to drop 40+ when Artest was the primary defender.. But Jordan wit his speed n quickness would EAT Ron.
@mrchasem023 Barkley was short for a power forward but he was fucking strong and had guard skills. He use to have his way with taller guys like Horace Grant in the post. . Anybody who won the league MVP while Jordan was in his prime was truly great and I have to say Barkley deserved to be MVP in 93, unlike Malone in 97.
Ron Artest is cocky for no reason. He hops onto a NBA Championship team, plays like shit in the playoffs, and gets a ring. Even before that, he still wasn't shit. Charles was a first ballot HOFer. Such a stupid comment. Not only am i sure Charles would murder Ron, prime vs prime, but i guarantee you Jordan never said he wanted to play against Ron in his prime lmao
At their prime, both Charles or Webber can easily score 30+ (I wouldn't go 50, as Artest IS a good defensive player)... Despite Artest being a dick here, I wouldn't say all his comments don't make sense as I do feel Charles gets a little bit more fame from his personality (and I mean AWESOME swagger)... but he is at one time one of the best player in the league, no doubt
lol did i just hear Ron Artest putting himself in the same convo as Michael Jordan? You have to be kidding me right? Beating the fuck out of fans is one thing, but now Charles and Michael? Hhahahahhahaaa
@Caron3Butler I guess you weren't paying attention. He's paraphrasing MJ, saying that MJ told him that he would have liked to play in his prime against Artest. It's not like he's comparing himself to him.
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if artest is such a bad ass, why did he run away from ben wallace? if artest is so much of a phenom, why did he escape to the la? face it cock sucka, he's not that great and you're(correct spelling) just a complete fucktard with no life. go back to making dog videos and your kiddy porn collection.
If Artest had said that while Barkley was still playing, Charles would've dropped 50 on him. Artest is as few brain cells removed from riding on the special school bus anyways.
Artest must have been smoking crack that day. Barkley in his prime would have destroyed him. They try to compare Ron to Charles all the time. Artest could only DREAM of having Barkley's game. Thats why he got clowned and ripped on. A non Hall Of Famer calling a first balloter "overrated" He's a joke.
Barkeyly was a 6ft 4 inch power forward. I dont think there has ever been a player like barkely. WIth big guys arguements are always, "if they were 4 inches shorter they would not be in the nba" with Barkely, his skill was such that no matter how tall he was he would still be a domient player. Very rare.
I agree, rodman was a 6 foot 6 inch power forward who would go from guarding small forwards and shooting guards to shuting down Shaq. One of the greatest defensive players and rebounders to ever play the game. Its criminal that he isnt in the hall of fame, and didnt get more all star apperances, and wasnt on that 50 greatest list the nba did.
Charles overrated?! He's a franchise caliber player, MVP, and a hall of fame talent. You kidding me? Barkley in his prime will kill Artest in his prime and go for 50.
@HXMbamwam i disagree charles is garbage ride of his dick already...btw how many rings does he have?? NONE...i hate charles fartley..he's a bandwagon rooter...he's always hating on whatever team that is getting their success just because of his stupid insecurity
@EfeKs2 I'm sure most players today that have rings, won't have them during if they competed during the Micheal Jordan era. I don't disagree with Charles being a bandwagoner, but is that the only reason why you hate him? He was a great power forward when he played. I'm sure garbage players don't get into the HOF and be one of Top 50 Greatest NBA players in 1996 at age 32/33.
@ViciousZero9 i don't really hate him, but he pisses me off with his pointless lines and his hating..i'm sure he was a great ball player...but being a sports commentator...not so good for chuck
your definiately retarded, going nowhere in life you immature punk, do the world a favor stfu u dumb kid. uhhh c webb is baked, yeah bet ur baked you dumb piece of shit, hes fine.
chill chill, i just said the guy is high. do u now how many times cwebb and jwill have been caught chiefing while they were on the kings. btw u sound like an a hole
Uhmmm Moses Malone, Dr J and Maurice were all near their retiring age. Didnt they retire the year after Barkley was drafted? Pretty much. The same for Houston. The 95 championship was houstons last run and they were never a contender after that.
Barkley was quicker, more explosive and had better handles than any power forward in the NBA. He was also too strong for small forwards to handle. He created a mismatch almost everytime. Man to man defense was his only problem. He was among the league leaders in rebounds and was pretty good at stealing the ball too.
As for the rings, Horry has 7. Does that mean he is the 2nd greatest player of all time? Nope. Alot of great players never won a ring. Players like Webber, Jason Kidd, Nash, Nowitzki, Carter, Tmac, Iverson, etc. All of them are still better than Horry.
Just like Barkley will still be better than Artest even if he wins a ring. Artest will only be a 3rd option at best on his team. Maybe even 4th if Bynum is not injured
Dr. J, Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen, (all five on the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History). Maurice Cheeks. Hersey Hawkins, Danny Ainge, Danny Manning, Wayman Tisdale, Kevin Willis.
Besides, even if you were right (which you're not) you would have to say that Barkley didn't make people play better.
Conversely, Ron Artest (without Yao) took the Lakers to game seven last year.
LMAO! Have you even watched the series? Artest was horrible agaisnt the Lakers and he wasnt the reason why the Rockets took them to 7 games. Ever since Yao got injured Artest shot 32% FG in the next 4 games with his stupid decision making.
Barkley also won an MVP over players like Jordan, Olajuwon, Ewing, Stockton, David Robinson, Wilkins, etc. Artest would never be able to dominate as much as Charles.
Are you serious? Are you really saying that Barkley was more valuable (in terms of his career) than the likes of Jordan, Olajuwon, and Ewing? Get a grip on yourself. Barkley is a hack... he was completely overrated. Two major problems with Barkley: 1. Consistently overweight. 2. Could not/would not play defense (this is widely acknowledged).
Do I put Barkley over Artest? Yes, but that's not saying much.
Im not saying that he was better than themselves career wise. I said that he did won an MVP over those players and was recognized by most analyst the more valuable player in 1993. Something Artest wouldn't even come close to do. Barkley isnt better than Olajuwon and Jordan but you could definately make a case for him being better than Ewing.
If Barkley was overweight then the same can be said about Shaq. That doesnt change the fact that he is the most dominant center of all time.
With respect to Barkley being better than Artest, I don't completely disagree with you.
However, using the same MVP argument we can imply that Steve Nash is 2 times better than Shaq, Duncan, Amar'e, Kobe, Garnett, Iverson, D-Wade, T-Mac, Lebron, etc, because in 2005 and 2006 Nash won the MVP over these player. In my mind that is an absurd correlation.
YES! Shaq's career was diminished by his failure to commit to staying in shape, just like Barkley. Barkley was a good player, but overrated
There is a difference between being the most valuable and the best player...
Steve Nash definately deserved his 1st MVP. The 2nd one was arguable. He also won it because team record matters and he lead the suns to 60+ wins.
Shaq's career wasn't diminished at all...he dominated with his strength and weight all of his career. He averaged 18pts and 8 rebs on 60.9% FG (career high) at age 36 last year. I dont know what you mean by diminished.
While I respect your opinion on Nash, there is hardly universal consensus on Nash's 1st MVP much less his 2nd. Good luck selling that one to the majority of NBA fans. It's my opinion that he's one of the best, but MVP worthy... not so much.
As far as Shaq's diminished career is concerned, in Shaq's watershed years with the Lakers, he didn't always show up to training camp in shape... this is widely known. Thus his lack of commitment produced inconsistent results... check his stats by year.
Actually Shaq's stats remained similar year after year. The only thing that changed was his points per game because he took less shots with Kobe getting more attempts. He obviously dropped down in stats when he got older but it can't be associated to lack of commitment. Every player will get slower and less athletic when getting older.
As for Steve Nash, he averaged 15.5 pts, 11.5 ast, 89%FT, 50%FG and 43% 3pt. He was also the main reason for the Suns 62-20 record and Amare was injured
You clearly have an agenda. So I'm not going to try to convince of something that you're not ready to hear. Instead I'll refer you to the words of others who took issue with both Shaq being out of shape and Nash's unworthiness for MVP.
Google the following:
"ESPN Kobe critical of Shaq's leadership"
"Bleacher Report Steve Nash: Worst MVP Choice in NBA History"
So questions have been raised about both men. Yes, being of shape effects performance, and the MVP is sometimes a political award.
You have no idea what you are talking about it. Want proof? Guess who was the main offensive threat of the 92 Dream Team (The greatest collecton of stars in history)..... Charles Barkley! When the coach of the dream team chooses Charles Barkley to score his points over MJ, Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson, Patrick EWing, Larry BIrd then you know hes something special. Barkley put up with a worst team with Jordan and had only one real team in 93 (went to the finals) before he began to get too old.
@willsmackyoudown... and this is coming a guy who says the Lakers are overrated? Who has no idea what their talking about? Rating players across generations is subjective. However, what we do know is that Barkley played power forward at a height of 6'4". This woefully undersized and not a good match up against taller stronger players... take your pick. It's simple physics.
Charles was an offensive machine you should check up his stats more importantly check his teammates after 86. YOu will see he had no one. Unlike Karl Malone and Tim Duncan who have a steady team behind them to feed him the ball, draw defenders etc. Karl Malone averaged his 25 PPG per game because of John Stockton who also has the most assists in NBA history! Think if Charles Barkley had Stockton? Yeah its true he didnt have much D but his offense was amazing and it would have been better
I definitely agree that Charles had an amazing offensive game. I'll remind you that some players have their highest scoring seasons when they play on lack luster teams. If you're on a team that isn't getting it done, you have to step up; Charles did. Conersely, high scores have to be taken in the context of team wins. If you score high, but lose games, it defeats the purpose.Who knows what he would've don on a great team. Btw, his big mouth continues to be offensive, but entertaining. LOL
Barkley was not overrated at all? If anything Barkley is underrated hewas the best Power Forward of all time. In fact he was second to MJ in PPG from 85-93. Players like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are not really PFs they are centers playing in a PF position. Its total bullshit and they know it. KG and TD are taller than the centers on their team? WTF? Plus I wouldnt even say this era of low post players are anywhere near that of the 80's. THe only PF i would mention next to CB is Karl Malone
@willsmackyoudown: Barkley's scoring ability isn't in question. He just didn't play consistently good defense. He admitted it himself. In his own words: "I can't play defense and score and rebound too." (Barkley)
Goggle: Transition Game: Charles Barkley ESPN for a good article about Barkley and defense, then check back.
You'll have a hard time selling anyone on Barkley being the best PF of all time if the man refused to play D. Present real facts. If your fact are good, I'll change my mind.
So what? Barkleys defense is the same as kobes. They only play it for about 2 minutes a game. Its funny how Kobe gets named an elite defender when he doesnt do anything. I include DRPG as a point for barkley
Barkley will never have an NBA ring. On the other hand, it's starting to look like Artest is going to get a ring next year, with the Lake Show.
Agreed, CB was a major talent. But he was not a superstar. If this is your feeling about him. I agree, you're not overrating him. If you're calling him a superstar (as many people have claimed), then yes, he's overrated.
Barkley is an arrogant big mouth and goes beyond the pale in putting down contemporary players, so he doesn't deserve much credit.
How many does Artest have. Zero. Charles was not perfect but he was a major talent. Charles was not overrated in the least. People use that word way too much. Barkley had a great comeback on Artest that you are not giving him credit for.
Don't you watch the news? Artest is now with the Lakers. He has a good chance of winning a ring.
How much chance does Barkley have of winning an NBA championship ring? Let's see... could it be ZERO! The only ring Barkley has is chance of getting is around ur - anus
You're too funny kid! Do your homework or I'll have to school you again.
dude.... yea the only reason hes getting a ring is cause hes wit kobe gasol and fisher.... if barkley had those kind of players (and that many) hed have a ring too idiot... look at dj mbenga.... got a ring for sittin his ass down the whole season... tea... not that hard to get a ring with that many all stars on ur team so stfu you pussy ass piece of shit
how much crack do u smoke moron, big mouth barkley had dr j, moses malone and maurice cheeks with the sixers and had the dream and drexler with the rockets, i believe those are some of the greatest players of all time
how is ron artest a comparison to charles barkely.
clutchplayer777 7 months ago
bull shit. players win rings with the help of their teammates superstar or no superstar. you act like the greatest player of all time didn't have help. He needed help from Scottie Pippen. Dirk needed from Terry(hes not a superstar but they wouldn't have won without him) shaq needed kobe. Kobe needed gasol. Tim needed ginobli and parker. so that argument about winning a ring by yourself makes no sense. chuck did have help, he was just unfortunate to be in the nba during the jordan era.
clutchplayer777 7 months ago
Charles would have destroyed Artest. Then Charles would have been more than happy to through blows and elbows with Artest. See, Artest acts crazy, Charles was crazy and leader; something Artest has never been.
Sirkinney 7 months ago
Please, I'm not a fan of either bt I'm a fan of basketball and Charles Prime is Hall of fame caliber.
Skyhighblu 10 months ago
Charles Barkley was the total opposite of the goofie role he plays on TNT.....
alucardrub 11 months ago
Artest would kick Barkleys ass, stfu.
Timmy5115 11 months ago
@Timmy5115 Obviously you are too young to have seen Charles play.
kklol7 11 months ago
@kklol7 well charles did have an amazing offensive game he was about 6'4 240 ron about 6'7 260 charles rarely played defense and charles is a fat washed up bitch i think ron has a ring what does charles have a beer belly there is not 1 better perimeter defender than ron ron and charles would not kill ron, not in a fight nor in the game of basketball prime or not it would not matter ive seen charles play for his whole entire career and have no respect for the man ( if you can call him that)
ian9081 10 months ago
@ian9081 how can u play great defense when your 6'4-6'5 and playing against 7'0 PF's and beating them!
who cares bout championships they are earned by a team not a player. in that case ron artest is better then john Stockton, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Allen iverson, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Shawn Kemp, George Gervin,Pete Maravich and reggie miller look up charles stats and then look at artests nuff said
ItsPeteDizzle 10 months ago
@ItsPeteDizzle obvously he wasnt beating them cause he has zero rings! and yes rings ARE won by teams no matter how good one guy is he will have an extremely hard time winning by himself... not saying artest is great but better than those guys obviouxly since he gots a ring, and it is won by teams but if a guy is contributing to that champion ship then there should be no problem douche bag.
ian9081 10 months ago
@ian9081 he would of won but 90's basketball had one star that made all other greats not win anything (michael jordan and Scottie Pippen)
ItsPeteDizzle 10 months ago
@Timmy5115 thank you! exactly...
ian9081 10 months ago
god that guy is dumb....and c-webb was so loud they prab heard him in the next state over.....I dislike charles the most outta the 90's players but he is one of the top 50 greats and I'm sure he wouldn't auction a cham ring if he had one.....
davedropd1 1 year ago
@davedropd1 ron auctioned it off for a good cause... all proceeds went to mental health funds... what other player is that generous?! plus he says it will keep him hungry this year. for his "first" ring
ian9081 10 months ago
@ian9081 he's a pro athlete....... he could have just given some cash....... you DON'T part with a FIRST championship ring......
davedropd1 10 months ago
@ian9081 ooops, guess that plan didnt turned out to well now huh?
seeyousaturday 8 months ago
@seeyousaturday well obviously you cant win every year right?i dont think it would be fun to watch basketball every year if my team the lakers won every year so yeah i guess that plan didnt work out that well. all i did was lay down a lil know how about the game now are yo gonna just talk crap or do you have anything smart to say?
ian9081 8 months ago
barkley kill artest even today..
metalicarock 1 year ago 8
ron is the best
RealspitHiphop604 1 year ago
Ron Artest to Charles Barkley is like Mark Madsen to Michael Jordan
DOw0rkk 1 year ago 3
Charles Barkley the BIGGEST Laker hater ever! And Kobe hater EVER!!
tec5913 1 year ago
Ron is a tool.
MrR9999 1 year ago
To all the people saying charles doesn't have a ring remember this, their's a difference being a franchise player leading your team to the finals in a jordan era. Then getting picked up by one of the leading NBA championship franchise Lakers when the team was being stacked to win. What team did artest lead ??? He couldn't do it and cracked under the pressure, started having problems of the court cause he couldn't do it on the court.
nvvm 1 year ago
@nvvm cracked under the prssure???!!! really ron averaged 13 6 and 3.5 last seasons playoffs he was our 4th offensive option. and who cares ok so your telling me you would rather keep losing and doing good individually and keep getting knocked off in the 2nd/3rd round than actually sacrificing some of your offense and going at a ring with other player's not everything needs to be done on a players ownself the year prior to ron coming to la he was getting 18 5 and 5 so stfu just cause charles wa
ian9081 10 months ago
@nvvm s ok with not winning doesnt mean all other players are held to that standard... its better to actually be productive and win rings and chipping in to help win games than to be going off individually with a team that you will never go anywhere with... ray allen by himself great but never won shit ( by himself) K G great player by himself did he get a ring by himself??? PAUL PIERCE excellent player but didnt win until all 3 talents were combined look at lebron bosh and wade... teaming upftw
ian9081 10 months ago
artest is a knuckle head. barkley is the best power forward ever!!! tell artest go suck on something. n watch barkley 1985 to 99
QTymatic 1 year ago
LMFAOOOO i love RON!
HPhenomenal 1 year ago
Well Ron got what he was hoping for... ppl noticing and talking about him. Loooooooooooooooooool!!! how is this even an grgument?
junior2404 1 year ago
Artest would get backed down Barkley Style!!!
mjhanny21 1 year ago
the only difference is that artest has a championsship ring. charles does not
nimalakers24 1 year ago
Charles would annilate Ron Artest....no question
7Beyonder 1 year ago 4
Artest's legs would be sliding back like he was holding up a wall trying defend barkley
louiemalayo 1 year ago
laker fan here, but i have to say artest's very far away from barkely...but both of them are crazy bitches
biensure77 1 year ago
i was showering last night.. and i remembered this video. i proceeded to try and name 100 legitimate players who could be on the 100 greatest players off all time list.
joyofpepsi 1 year ago
not siding with ron or anything but i actually pass by queens bridge and it really is a dangerous place.. like if chris webber were to walk around mocking queens bridge in queens bridge i really doubt he would get out with his life.. but yea some things like that you just keep to yourself. if your from the hood and your a star then dont brag that your from the hood!
paulgump 1 year ago
i dont like how the commentators think they are funny
308728492308728492 1 year ago
i dont know why my father named me charles barkley
GLAdiator465 1 year ago
Charles was a freaking BERSERKER at the post. He'd swallow artest whole!
XvxBERSERKxvX 1 year ago 10
charles was obviously better than artest
he is one of the 50 best players of all time and i don't think that artest will ever be on this list
and1dima 1 year ago 4
artest is a better defensive player,, but idk if artest defense is strong enough to handle sir charles....only way artest would take barkley is if he stayed out the hole nd used his speed
larrence029 1 year ago
charles is the man and always will be
fuck you
markconnors 1 year ago
lol, with the stats that they showed Charles couldnt really say much. But obviously, Barkley was a much a better player, we all know that.
banginbangali25 1 year ago
thugtest is a dumbass
SasquatchSilly 1 year ago
artest a punk. screw lakers
cjzzzzz 1 year ago 3
@cjzzzzz hahahahah only a jealous person would say that guess what YOU CANT DO SHIT ABOUT IT
AndreRedd1Empire 1 year ago
@AndreRedd1Empire F UK U COCK SUCCCKER
cjzzzzz 1 year ago
The original dream team who was the highest scorer? Charles....
drdeathkwp 1 year ago
Charles overrated? Can't defend? Man, Barkley would have destroyed the poor Ron...and I'm a laker.
omy785 1 year ago
Hey Chris Weber and Charles Barkley Ron has a ring and probably more!!! Haha!
Huskyowner2007 1 year ago
@Huskyowner2007 Ron Ron has a ring because he was clinging on to the Kobe train.
Ron Ron isn't that great of a player, he had clutch shots in game 7. but if you look at the stats, barkley was a much much much better player. he controlled his franchise, and if he played for a team other then the suns he probably would have a ring himself.
nextbestrockstar 1 year ago
@Huskyowner2007 lol.You should go back in 2002 and watch the western finals. Chris webber shoulda got a RING But the refs was Gambling [If you dont believe me watch this /watch?v=1S3MTy75Ucs] . and plus Ron artest isnt even that good He's playing with the Best player in the league right now..
YouCantBeatHeat 1 year ago
@YouCantBeatHeat LMAO dude your name is "Youcantbeatheat" but your team's only title came from the refs calling BS on the mavs the whole series
Hoopfanify 1 year ago
@Hoopfanify omg wow. I only made this user name because some kid DISSED THE HEAT...Im tired of people worrying about my name.leave me alone and ill leave you alone.
YouCantBeatHeat 1 year ago
@YouCantBeatHeat And you talking bout the refs rigging stuff for the lakers
Hoopfanify 1 year ago
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I actually like both these fools.. I kno Charles is a hall of famer and all that but he was undersized and i actually think Artest matches up against him well.. Cuz Ron is pound for pound one of the strongest in the Nba.. Chuck wouldnt drop 50 cuz to my knowledge Brandon Roy is the only player to drop 40+ when Artest was the primary defender.. But Jordan wit his speed n quickness would EAT Ron.
mrchasem023 1 year ago
I actually like both these fools.. I kno Charles is a hall of famer and all that but he was undersized and i actually think Artest matches up against him well. Cuz Ron is pound for pound one of the strongest in the Nba.. Chuck wouldnt drop 50 cuz to my knowledge Brandon Roy is the only player to drop 40+ when Artest was the primary defender.. But Jordan wit his speed n quickness would EAT Ron.
mrchasem023 1 year ago
@mrchasem023 Barkley was short for a power forward but he was fucking strong and had guard skills. He use to have his way with taller guys like Horace Grant in the post. . Anybody who won the league MVP while Jordan was in his prime was truly great and I have to say Barkley deserved to be MVP in 93, unlike Malone in 97.
rockyrack2 1 year ago
Charles Barkley would have eaten Ron Ron for breakfast.
kklol7 1 year ago
@ HXMbamwam Artest: 1 ring, Barkley: 0
jdave17 1 year ago
Ron Artest is cocky for no reason. He hops onto a NBA Championship team, plays like shit in the playoffs, and gets a ring. Even before that, he still wasn't shit. Charles was a first ballot HOFer. Such a stupid comment. Not only am i sure Charles would murder Ron, prime vs prime, but i guarantee you Jordan never said he wanted to play against Ron in his prime lmao
oxBUSHIDOxo 1 year ago
ROn Artest is a fag
kindabusy1 1 year ago
Ron is the best
richter85 1 year ago
anyone notice the white guy say at :33 KFC grillzone question with 3 black people there
KAR62900 1 year ago
lol this was awesome. if nothing else, ron ron is damn entertaining.
trickpanda 1 year ago
ron artest is so overrated.. chuck would have killed him! seriously...
tas0666666 1 year ago
charles barkley wouldve actually fought him lol.
coolmusicforyou1 1 year ago
At their prime, both Charles or Webber can easily score 30+ (I wouldn't go 50, as Artest IS a good defensive player)... Despite Artest being a dick here, I wouldn't say all his comments don't make sense as I do feel Charles gets a little bit more fame from his personality (and I mean AWESOME swagger)... but he is at one time one of the best player in the league, no doubt
sattaravy 1 year ago 2
lol did i just hear Ron Artest putting himself in the same convo as Michael Jordan? You have to be kidding me right? Beating the fuck out of fans is one thing, but now Charles and Michael? Hhahahahhahaaa
Caron3Butler 1 year ago
@Caron3Butler I guess you weren't paying attention. He's paraphrasing MJ, saying that MJ told him that he would have liked to play in his prime against Artest. It's not like he's comparing himself to him.
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boblloyd082 1 year ago
barkley = one of greatest power forward ever
artest = biggest douche bag ever to luck up at staying on an nba roster
AvEryBadApPLe 1 year ago 2
artest is a good defender... a good wing man...
and hell kick your ass if you were at the palace...
youre the douche bag, douche bag
THEvaaj 1 year ago
if artest is such a bad ass, why did he run away from ben wallace? if artest is so much of a phenom, why did he escape to the la? face it cock sucka, he's not that great and you're(correct spelling) just a complete fucktard with no life. go back to making dog videos and your kiddy porn collection.
AvEryBadApPLe 1 year ago
what does Charles know about blow out kit when he have been bald like forever
RealDefentertainment 1 year ago
If Artest had said that while Barkley was still playing, Charles would've dropped 50 on him. Artest is as few brain cells removed from riding on the special school bus anyways.
Scottdvz 1 year ago 35
@Scottdvz Actually Ron Artest was a major In math
A2437SB 1 year ago
@Scottdvz he wouldnt trust me
gggman15 1 year ago
Artest must have been smoking crack that day. Barkley in his prime would have destroyed him. They try to compare Ron to Charles all the time. Artest could only DREAM of having Barkley's game. Thats why he got clowned and ripped on. A non Hall Of Famer calling a first balloter "overrated" He's a joke.
wingedFURY54 2 years ago
Webber was dyin' lmao
JuggernuatPeezy 2 years ago 2
charles barkey=BIIIIGGG TEMPER!!!!
deadcorpert619 2 years ago 2
Ron Artest once went into the stands to fight a fan. I think that qualifies as a bad temper and somewhat mentally unstable.
foureleven666 2 years ago
I almost cried when he said michael jordan wished he could play ron ron in his prime
lordy
mike chaphee.
joenathanable 2 years ago
me too!
chris weber was off the hook too!
joenathanable 2 years ago
at 0:27 the volume went way up LOL!
kobebryant24kb24 2 years ago
Barkeyly was a 6ft 4 inch power forward. I dont think there has ever been a player like barkely. WIth big guys arguements are always, "if they were 4 inches shorter they would not be in the nba" with Barkely, his skill was such that no matter how tall he was he would still be a domient player. Very rare.
ak231510 2 years ago 4
dennis rodman dude he was a pf just like barkley way better defender the nba wont give him credit because of his anticts
fatpatlives1998 2 years ago
I agree, rodman was a 6 foot 6 inch power forward who would go from guarding small forwards and shooting guards to shuting down Shaq. One of the greatest defensive players and rebounders to ever play the game. Its criminal that he isnt in the hall of fame, and didnt get more all star apperances, and wasnt on that 50 greatest list the nba did.
ak231510 2 years ago
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ak231510 2 years ago
artest u suck charles was a beast
rasmalih 2 years ago
fix the audio
Gocavs1990 2 years ago
Charles overrated?! He's a franchise caliber player, MVP, and a hall of fame talent. You kidding me? Barkley in his prime will kill Artest in his prime and go for 50.
HXMbamwam 2 years ago 77
Can't disagree with that.
mennione 2 years ago
@HXMbamwam i disagree charles is garbage ride of his dick already...btw how many rings does he have?? NONE...i hate charles fartley..he's a bandwagon rooter...he's always hating on whatever team that is getting their success just because of his stupid insecurity
EfeKs2 1 year ago
@EfeKs2 I'm sure most players today that have rings, won't have them during if they competed during the Micheal Jordan era. I don't disagree with Charles being a bandwagoner, but is that the only reason why you hate him? He was a great power forward when he played. I'm sure garbage players don't get into the HOF and be one of Top 50 Greatest NBA players in 1996 at age 32/33.
ViciousZero9 1 year ago
@ViciousZero9 i don't really hate him, but he pisses me off with his pointless lines and his hating..i'm sure he was a great ball player...but being a sports commentator...not so good for chuck
EfeKs2 1 year ago
@HXMbamwam he never gotta ring tho
Franchiser1 8 months ago
are u serious ron???????????????????????????????lol jordan will murder artest and barkley much better player then ron..
GiovanniProdogy1 2 years ago
Let me just "emphasize" he said when Jordan was in his "prime"!!! That's not even a comparison!
ASCEND2ETERNITY 2 years ago
hahaha c webb is definitely baked
vladimir4200 2 years ago
your definiately retarded, going nowhere in life you immature punk, do the world a favor stfu u dumb kid. uhhh c webb is baked, yeah bet ur baked you dumb piece of shit, hes fine.
blahblahka1 2 years ago
chill chill, i just said the guy is high. do u now how many times cwebb and jwill have been caught chiefing while they were on the kings. btw u sound like an a hole
vladimir4200 2 years ago
@blahblahka1
Who ever your criticizing keep doing keep it up! Your making me laugh over here.
kobebryant24kb24 2 years ago
while the whole world laughs at you. Promise you. youll never amount to anything...in lieu youll be less than dirt.
blahblahka1 2 years ago
@blahblahka1
I really hope you feel better about yourself!
kobebryant24kb24 2 years ago
Uhmmm Moses Malone, Dr J and Maurice were all near their retiring age. Didnt they retire the year after Barkley was drafted? Pretty much. The same for Houston. The 95 championship was houstons last run and they were never a contender after that.
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago
and Kobe had Gary Payton, Shaq, and Karl Malone and they lost to the Detroit Pistons. Whats your point?
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago
kobe had gasol ariza odom and won point?
fatpatlives1998 2 years ago
*than Jordan
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago
barkley artest thats not even close watch the highlights SIR CHARLES BY FAR
VshafterV 2 years ago
Barkley was quicker, more explosive and had better handles than any power forward in the NBA. He was also too strong for small forwards to handle. He created a mismatch almost everytime. Man to man defense was his only problem. He was among the league leaders in rebounds and was pretty good at stealing the ball too.
abdcc 2 years ago
yeah but chris webber should have won a ring in 2002
shyiswerid 2 years ago
As for the rings, Horry has 7. Does that mean he is the 2nd greatest player of all time? Nope. Alot of great players never won a ring. Players like Webber, Jason Kidd, Nash, Nowitzki, Carter, Tmac, Iverson, etc. All of them are still better than Horry.
Just like Barkley will still be better than Artest even if he wins a ring. Artest will only be a 3rd option at best on his team. Maybe even 4th if Bynum is not injured
abdcc 2 years ago
Yea This Coming From a Guy Who Called Time Out When His Team Didnt Have Any Oh And Charles Barkley did Win An MVP
CNezChannel 2 years ago
Are you daffy? You're absolutely wrong!
A list of who Barkley's played with:
Dr. J, Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen, (all five on the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History). Maurice Cheeks. Hersey Hawkins, Danny Ainge, Danny Manning, Wayman Tisdale, Kevin Willis.
Besides, even if you were right (which you're not) you would have to say that Barkley didn't make people play better.
Conversely, Ron Artest (without Yao) took the Lakers to game seven last year.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
LMAO! Have you even watched the series? Artest was horrible agaisnt the Lakers and he wasnt the reason why the Rockets took them to 7 games. Ever since Yao got injured Artest shot 32% FG in the next 4 games with his stupid decision making.
Barkley also won an MVP over players like Jordan, Olajuwon, Ewing, Stockton, David Robinson, Wilkins, etc. Artest would never be able to dominate as much as Charles.
abdcc 2 years ago
Are you serious? Are you really saying that Barkley was more valuable (in terms of his career) than the likes of Jordan, Olajuwon, and Ewing? Get a grip on yourself. Barkley is a hack... he was completely overrated. Two major problems with Barkley: 1. Consistently overweight. 2. Could not/would not play defense (this is widely acknowledged).
Do I put Barkley over Artest? Yes, but that's not saying much.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
Im not saying that he was better than themselves career wise. I said that he did won an MVP over those players and was recognized by most analyst the more valuable player in 1993. Something Artest wouldn't even come close to do. Barkley isnt better than Olajuwon and Jordan but you could definately make a case for him being better than Ewing.
If Barkley was overweight then the same can be said about Shaq. That doesnt change the fact that he is the most dominant center of all time.
abdcc 2 years ago 3
With respect to Barkley being better than Artest, I don't completely disagree with you.
However, using the same MVP argument we can imply that Steve Nash is 2 times better than Shaq, Duncan, Amar'e, Kobe, Garnett, Iverson, D-Wade, T-Mac, Lebron, etc, because in 2005 and 2006 Nash won the MVP over these player. In my mind that is an absurd correlation.
YES! Shaq's career was diminished by his failure to commit to staying in shape, just like Barkley. Barkley was a good player, but overrated
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
There is a difference between being the most valuable and the best player...
Steve Nash definately deserved his 1st MVP. The 2nd one was arguable. He also won it because team record matters and he lead the suns to 60+ wins.
Shaq's career wasn't diminished at all...he dominated with his strength and weight all of his career. He averaged 18pts and 8 rebs on 60.9% FG (career high) at age 36 last year. I dont know what you mean by diminished.
abdcc 2 years ago 2
While I respect your opinion on Nash, there is hardly universal consensus on Nash's 1st MVP much less his 2nd. Good luck selling that one to the majority of NBA fans. It's my opinion that he's one of the best, but MVP worthy... not so much.
As far as Shaq's diminished career is concerned, in Shaq's watershed years with the Lakers, he didn't always show up to training camp in shape... this is widely known. Thus his lack of commitment produced inconsistent results... check his stats by year.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
Actually Shaq's stats remained similar year after year. The only thing that changed was his points per game because he took less shots with Kobe getting more attempts. He obviously dropped down in stats when he got older but it can't be associated to lack of commitment. Every player will get slower and less athletic when getting older.
As for Steve Nash, he averaged 15.5 pts, 11.5 ast, 89%FT, 50%FG and 43% 3pt. He was also the main reason for the Suns 62-20 record and Amare was injured
abdcc 2 years ago 2
You clearly have an agenda. So I'm not going to try to convince of something that you're not ready to hear. Instead I'll refer you to the words of others who took issue with both Shaq being out of shape and Nash's unworthiness for MVP.
Google the following:
"ESPN Kobe critical of Shaq's leadership"
"Bleacher Report Steve Nash: Worst MVP Choice in NBA History"
So questions have been raised about both men. Yes, being of shape effects performance, and the MVP is sometimes a political award.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
You have no idea what you are talking about it. Want proof? Guess who was the main offensive threat of the 92 Dream Team (The greatest collecton of stars in history)..... Charles Barkley! When the coach of the dream team chooses Charles Barkley to score his points over MJ, Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson, Patrick EWing, Larry BIrd then you know hes something special. Barkley put up with a worst team with Jordan and had only one real team in 93 (went to the finals) before he began to get too old.
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago
@willsmackyoudown... and this is coming a guy who says the Lakers are overrated? Who has no idea what their talking about? Rating players across generations is subjective. However, what we do know is that Barkley played power forward at a height of 6'4". This woefully undersized and not a good match up against taller stronger players... take your pick. It's simple physics.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
Charles was an offensive machine you should check up his stats more importantly check his teammates after 86. YOu will see he had no one. Unlike Karl Malone and Tim Duncan who have a steady team behind them to feed him the ball, draw defenders etc. Karl Malone averaged his 25 PPG per game because of John Stockton who also has the most assists in NBA history! Think if Charles Barkley had Stockton? Yeah its true he didnt have much D but his offense was amazing and it would have been better
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago 4
I definitely agree that Charles had an amazing offensive game. I'll remind you that some players have their highest scoring seasons when they play on lack luster teams. If you're on a team that isn't getting it done, you have to step up; Charles did. Conersely, high scores have to be taken in the context of team wins. If you score high, but lose games, it defeats the purpose.Who knows what he would've don on a great team. Btw, his big mouth continues to be offensive, but entertaining. LOL
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
Barkley was not overrated at all? If anything Barkley is underrated hewas the best Power Forward of all time. In fact he was second to MJ in PPG from 85-93. Players like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are not really PFs they are centers playing in a PF position. Its total bullshit and they know it. KG and TD are taller than the centers on their team? WTF? Plus I wouldnt even say this era of low post players are anywhere near that of the 80's. THe only PF i would mention next to CB is Karl Malone
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago
@willsmackyoudown: Barkley's scoring ability isn't in question. He just didn't play consistently good defense. He admitted it himself. In his own words: "I can't play defense and score and rebound too." (Barkley)
Goggle: Transition Game: Charles Barkley ESPN for a good article about Barkley and defense, then check back.
You'll have a hard time selling anyone on Barkley being the best PF of all time if the man refused to play D. Present real facts. If your fact are good, I'll change my mind.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
So what? Barkleys defense is the same as kobes. They only play it for about 2 minutes a game. Its funny how Kobe gets named an elite defender when he doesnt do anything. I include DRPG as a point for barkley
willsmackyoudown 2 years ago
Barkley will never have an NBA ring. On the other hand, it's starting to look like Artest is going to get a ring next year, with the Lake Show.
Agreed, CB was a major talent. But he was not a superstar. If this is your feeling about him. I agree, you're not overrating him. If you're calling him a superstar (as many people have claimed), then yes, he's overrated.
Barkley is an arrogant big mouth and goes beyond the pale in putting down contemporary players, so he doesn't deserve much credit.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
Barkley had his ass handed to him by Artest.
Barkley's totally overrated.
So how many championship rings does Sir Charles have? Oh that right, ZERO!
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
How many does Artest have. Zero. Charles was not perfect but he was a major talent. Charles was not overrated in the least. People use that word way too much. Barkley had a great comeback on Artest that you are not giving him credit for.
dinobrya 2 years ago
and how many rings does ron ron have???? haha pwned nikka
TokyoBaller44 2 years ago
Don't you watch the news? Artest is now with the Lakers. He has a good chance of winning a ring.
How much chance does Barkley have of winning an NBA championship ring? Let's see... could it be ZERO! The only ring Barkley has is chance of getting is around ur - anus
You're too funny kid! Do your homework or I'll have to school you again.
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
dude.... yea the only reason hes getting a ring is cause hes wit kobe gasol and fisher.... if barkley had those kind of players (and that many) hed have a ring too idiot... look at dj mbenga.... got a ring for sittin his ass down the whole season... tea... not that hard to get a ring with that many all stars on ur team so stfu you pussy ass piece of shit
TokyoBaller44 2 years ago
TokyoBaller44 -
Just setting the record straight. You're a knowledgeable young man. You do know your basketball!!!!!
AllknowingGuitarGuru 2 years ago
how much crack do u smoke moron, big mouth barkley had dr j, moses malone and maurice cheeks with the sixers and had the dream and drexler with the rockets, i believe those are some of the greatest players of all time
bigsteve0999 2 years ago 2