Quantum Occasionalism A New Mechanics of Nature: Zen Flower Radio, Jeff Grupp 3-28-11

[odinata]

The truly important point, however, is that there is no evidence for a panantheistic god--that's purely a matter of opinion and subjective feelings.

[odinata]

What "content/context" would indicate a supernatural being?

[circusOFprecision]

@WhoShotJRBobDobbs

Like the Bible says (paraphrasing): One can know God exists, quite certainly, from the order and logic of creation. But it takes faith to actually know God and that He cares for you, that His intentions are absolute good.

Sentient beings in the physical world are aware of their mortality. They struggle for their very existence, even though they did not bring themselves into existence. It's a paradox that has little to do with whether God is good or not.

[odinata]

@circusOFprecision

Only if you define "god" to be nature.

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@odinata

That is pantheism, which I don't really agree with. If anything, you could say I believe in panentheism, which is the biblical concept of God.

[odinata]

@circusOFprecision

Then your statement:

"One can know God exists, quite certainly, from the order and logic of creation."

is incorrect.

[circusOFprecision]

@odinata

Not true. I don't directly equate you with words in a text box, but I know you exist because of the content/context.

[odinata]

@circusOFprecision

At you least you are starting to open up to the real reason why you reject scientific facts such as evolution--purely on the basis of your religious opinion: fundamentalist Christian Evangelical dogma.

[odinata]

@circusOFprecision

I've never heard anyone describe Christianity as necessarily "panantheistic".

It appears to be the exception rather than the rule.

What role have psychedelic drugs played in your concoction of religious opinions?

[circusOFprecision]

@odinata

Eastern Orthodox Christianity. But I guess you are again showing your theological ignorance. Drugs, seriously? Don't be silly.

[odinata]

@circusOFprecision

So you are saying that Eastern Orthodoxy is the only religion that has a "biblical concept of God".

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@odinata

No, not even close. I'm saying that it is my opinion that the biblical concept of God is one of panentheism. You said you've never heard anyone describe Christianity as panentheistic. Also, I would say it IS NOT the exception to the rule, rather most modern churches in western culture teach a very materialistic, philosophically limited dogma.

[CosmicDagoBah]

Great show again Jeff. Quantum Occasionalism is one view of reality that has completely shaken the foundations of my original perspective. The first time I heard you talk about it, it was like it instantly rang true to me and made perfect sense.