Ey inananlar! Yahudi ve hıristiyanları dost edinmeyin. Onlar birbirlerinin dostlarıdırlar. Sizden kim onları dost edinirse kuşkusuz o da onlardandır. Şüphesiz Allah zalimler topluluğunu doğruya iletmez.(el-maide suresi 51-ci aye) İNŞALLAH KIYAMET GÜNÜ BU KAFİRLERİ KENDİNE DOST EDİNENLERİ ALLAH C.C. ONLARLA BERABER HAŞR EDECEKDİR
All i can give you is the word of God to turkish people.Ezekiel 30:5"Cush and Put, Lydia and all Arabia, Libya and the people of the covenant land will fall by the sword along with Egypt."(Lydia=Turkey).So all of my armenian brothers pray for turkish people,for they are going to experience Gods wrath.Bible prophecy isnt lying,and please our armenian brorthers dont hate the turks for what happened,for wow to those who will experince the wrath of Messiah by himself.But pray or turks.
@nuneh LOL Armenian liars removed my comments.What hapened? You felt defeated? Losers.You couldnt answer me after I revealed the truth about your diaspora fabrication picture which you use a background photo.Now 3 of my comments are removed and 1 flagged as spam and there is not even a curse in any of them.LOL armenian pinocchios.Stop crying now and dont denie the crimes you committed against Turkish people and Azeri Turks.
@nuneh hahah it seems as if you've won the debate,because you just drop a comment without clicking on answer to me. but I thought I'm going to have a look because not everyone is as smart as a turk. Hasan cemal ? Come with your links.and not come here to express your dreams, I know hasan cemal, I've never seen him talk about that subject. but armenians want to believe what they believe.
@nuneh TANER AKCAM IS ARMENIAN. and I was still thinking I'm talking with a smart person, but I talk with an Armenian, that says enough ! Go cry for whats happend haha that wil make you better feel. KARABAQ AND WHOLE ARMENIA ( LITTLE ARMENIA HAHA ) WILL BE TURKISH TERRITORY !
@istanbulultras in one comment, you try to convince me that Turks are not barbaric genocidal monsters, and then you send this comment exposing your true colors.
@nuneh Armenia must crick up. france and the rest of europe, keep the Armenian "genocide" in life for their own political games, Armenians from Armenia suffer from it. We must live in peace together. Asala ( Teror group) is over, Young Turks are over. I thank you for you warmly comment also.
Young Turks are over,but the modern turkish government still jails or kills all those who speak the truth about the Armneian Genocide.&please note that ASALA formed to stop turks from killing more Armenians.look at its creation date & look at all the massacres of Armenians that occured before then.u wanted armenians to just take it?
do u want peace? ask the turkish government to stop their nonsense
@nuneh First what i want to say is asala is a terrorist organization they killed many turkish civilians .( PKK = also armenian ).We can talk about this for a long time, but we don't gone have the same opinion of what was happend, i say you the turkish story, you say to me the armenian story. I agree with the Turkish government, the blood of our grandfathers are not wasted for nothing, its wasted for this Turkey.
You c how u fool's try an change history by coming out wd sht like ottomans? no not ottomans ''OSMANS' u c so dont b offended when we call u monkeys, aint that wr think grandfather' came frm MONKEY..
pox olsun ermeni gotlerinin agzina,ALLAH onlara spitakdaki zelzeleden bir daha versin erevandan eser elamet qalmasin,anasi qehbe gotler,butun azeri sikleri girsin sizin gotuvuze ograshlar
Burda Turkiyede serefiyle yasayan , Turkiyeyi kendi vatani bilerek, ulkesi icin canlarini vermeye hazir Ermeni kardeslerimz icin lutfen saygisizca yorumlar yazmayiniz,
Turkiyede yasayan butun uluslar bizim Ailemizdir, Ailemizin bir parcasidir.
Anadolu halklarimiz bizlerin Turkiyenin ortak degeridir.
Birbirimize olan Saygi ve sevgimizin devam etmesi icin elimizden ne geliyorsa yapalim.
Provakatorleri, aramizda dusmanlik yaratmak isteyenleri iyi bilelim ve onlara firsat vermeyelim..
@WorldPeaceUnion ye its all gd an may even b noble ur intentions, when ever we muslim turks have streched hand out 2 help a race of people the'v always ended up try 2 rip our arm of or back stab us( history is outthere 4 d truth seekers) one example when d spanish wr throwing d jew in d sea 1498, who sent ships 2 save THEM who, go ask d jew's , and now look at them , killing inocent woman children. Muslims turks taught this world good in everything, , but they prefer 2 eat sht, u r wot u eat..
I understand your point. But it doesn't make us being hateful community of people to other nations in our country.
It is not fair and wrong .It means we will punish innocent ones too just because some others acts hostil way. We can't treat them same.What our Country's Armenian community has anything to do with what is going on around the world or some hostilities of other Armenian Diaspora. They are not related . other than just having same ethnic background.
We will continue to be Noble Nation.We will continue to treat others fairly and being tolerant. as we were since Ottoman Empire.. as our ancesters..We will continue celebrate our differences , live peacefuly together and respect for each other , That is why we are the richest in the world as culture, music, traditions etc. with many different ethnics nations as we are today. Is there anywhere else any other country has what we have?
your mother is a osospu azeri pislikner! we fucked you big big time in karabakh! inclusive your mother who is a whore, thats make you a son of a whore!
My ancestors never committed any crime against people. My ancestors escaped Russian and Armenian savagery. I am in Central Anatolia now because we fled your mass killers.
@nuneh I don't live on armenia's land. I live on Turkish land. It has been Turkish land since 1071 give or take. I have never known it as armenian land. It was byzantium before that. I know armenians lived there. So what? You were not the owners. You owned property on those lands - yes. Not the same. Now this is not the Turkish Govt speaking now. Humans from Erzurum and surrounds have told me of Russian and armenian attrocities. How do you explain this? Human testimonies.
this land was called "Katrin" (Armenian) before u named it "Erzurum"... & even when u changed the name to a turkish name, it was an Armenian Villayet (meaning it was a settlement of Armenians as Armenians paid separate taxes to be allowed to practice their religion & speak their own language in their villayets)
the thought that Armenians would massacre the muslims of Erzurum sounds CRAZY as Erzurum was an ARMENIAN VILLAYET
@nuneh I am telling you what I have been told by my elders. Why would they lie to ME? They are not politicians or state educators. They told me that russians and armenians massacred/were massacering muslims in Erzurum, Van etc. Therefore they fled and moved into central Anatolia. We have been there ever since. My ancestors had to flee Erzurum because of armenians. This is not state propaganda. The state told me nothing. Elderly humans did.
@C0de46 if you looked into the history of Erzurum (Katrin), you would easily be able to understand that it has always been Armenian-populated. It was called Katrin, when it was part of Armenia. When it was taken by the Ottoman Empire, it was changed to "Erzurum" and even then, it was a separate villayet specifically for Armenians.
you telling me this info about your family makes me almost certain that you have at least a grandparent that has at least partial Armenian roots.
@nuneh Out of all the armenians I have spoken to/with on youtube you are the most polite and patient. However you have been raised through the same system. Back to the mid 1800's my family members have muslim names and are/were muslims as far as we can tell. If we were armenian I think we would know. They have more chance of being kurds. Erzurum is home to kurds and very patriotic nationalist Turks. Either way it doesn't bother me. It would be good to know but the records are not great.
i respect those who deserve to be respected. my grandparents all speak fluent turkish and my parents know enough to communicate. Armenians aren't as "anti-Turkish" as many Turks think. like i have written in my profile, i do not have a reason to hate turks. it was the turkish GOVERNMENT that organized the genocide and it is the turkish GOVERNMENT today that distorts history causing this conflict between us.
@nuneh I know a lot of armenians still speak some Turkish today. When I was a kid an elderly man used to come to the cafe that my father used to take me to. This elderly man used to play cards with my father and his friends. He was no different to Turks. My father told me he was armenian and I was suprised. I asked my father why he would want to play cards with Turks if we indiscriminately killed them. My father said that despite politics and religion we are Anatolian brothers.
@C0de46 and your father is right. that is why i wish your government would stop lying to the turkish people so that we can all be on the same page & reach our full potential of true brotherhood.
I don't know if any Armenian or Turk has told you this, but some turks & kurds chose to not follow the state orders and instead saved Armenians. Mostly, the rescuers were Arabs, but it would be wrong to say that ALL turks & kurds participated in the killing.
@nuneh I have looked into our background and records go back to about 1860. The names are muslim names and we are muslim (not the best muslims going around either I may add) . There is talk that one of my grandparents was originally was from Kars. Not sure though. Anyway he/she was also muslim. But I am not spinning shit when I say that people are adamant and swear to the fact that Russians and armenians slaughtered muslims in Erzurum and surrounds. This is not state-speak.
@C0de46 and i'm not accusing you of spinning anything or purposefully lying to me. i am just stating the fact that Katrin/Erzurum was always ONLY ARMENIAN until the end of the Ottoman Empire. so just with that fact alone, what u hear from those people canNOT be true.
the only possible situation is:
Muslims went into the only Armenian population Erzurum to wipe them out, and Armenians (in trying to stop them) managed to kill some of them. And perhaps these are the deaths your ancestors speak of
@nuneh Most Turks do not hate armenians or do not have an opinion. Armenians do not normally enter our daily psyche. What did you think about what I wrote about my family heritage? I am interested in an armenian perspective. Turkish records are not great. Most turks cannot find their past beyond 1850. Records just stop there. What do you think about Kurds saying that they were always the majority ethnic group in Anatolia and eastern Turkey? They also claim your ancient region.
@C0de46 if your family lived in erzurum/katrin... you almost certainly have armenian roots. even if the names you have are muslim names, note that many armenians did change their names for protection and many even hid the truth about their identities to even their offspring for their protection... and you know what even 2 generations of that pattern can do to people.
... and that is just my opinion because you asked for it.
@C0de46as u probably know,kurds have been conquered by many÷d&spread out all over the world.the differences between2groups of kurds could be bigger than the differences between u&i.some kurds know history&know their place,while like u said,some kurds think they own pretty much everything
truth is,kurds were historically nomadic mountain dwellers
even if they want to claim the median empire--that started 549 BC
Armenia/Hayk/Hayastan existed from 2492 BC&im not even mentioning the Hitites
@nuneh Turks and Kurds also claim descent from Hittites. Not as original central asian Turks obviously but when Those Turks came here and mixed with the already established locals. Now I know you will claim Armenians are those people but this is where history is subjective. You and I can read the same history and somehow distort it to how we want it to be. Just look around youtube. Everybody started civilisation eheheh. Everybody's ancestors were Einstein and Alexander The Great.
@C0de46 through mixing with the natives of the area---yes, u may very well be of Hittite and Hurrian descent like Armenians
but u said it yourself that ORIGINAL turkic dna was not related to these natives of the area as you know that turks emerged from Asian huns from central Asia and later moved right next to where Armenia had already been established
don't get me wrong--I would never say Armenians ALONE started civilization. civilization was started in the Fertile Crescent and THAT is a fact
@nuneh Anatolia and surrounds is home to the most egotistical people in the world. You don't seem to have western europeans arguing the same sorts of nonsense things. Everybody claims to be hittites, mitanni, medes, urartu, hatti, phrgian etc. Greeks also lived in Erzurum didn't they? I have been told one of my grandparents is from Kars. He/she moved to erzurum and married the other grandparent. Around WW1 they fled to Ankara to escape Russians and armenians. That's all i know.
@C0de46 lol yeah, i agree--- but people tend to get egotistical when they have something to brag about. for example, you dont tend to see egotistic homeless people haha
Anatolia was one of the areas that made major contributions to the start of civilization.... can you blame them?
western europeans can only brag about the advances they LATER made with steel... and even that rose from the initial contributions of the fertile crescent natives
@nuneh What do you say about Kurds today claiming all of eastern Turkey as their rightful property. They say that ezurum, kars, van, mush, diyarbakir, basically all the way to Ankara is their land. They claim to be there before you and everybody else. They claim descent from Mitanni, medes, urartu etc. What is your opinion? What do armenians think of kurds and how has your national relationship been with them?
@C0de46 hahaha... you just names areas that were all a part of Western Armenia--- Katrin, Van, Mush, Tigranakert....
Do you know why Kurds claim those lands?
Because when they helped Ottoman Turkey with the Armenian Genocide, they were promised that they would be given the Armenians' land once there were no more Armenians. I've even spoken to some Kurds on youtube who still say that they would do anything to "have beautiful Armenian land. what do you expect?"--- NO LIE!
@C0de46 i had never heard a Kurd claim to be of Urartu descent, as Urartu was actually just one of the names of Armenian kingdoms. Even in Assyrian writing, they wrote about the Armenians of Urartu (meaning Ararat).
that's new-- but i'm not surprised that someone would try to take credit like that out of desperation.
@C0de46 the fact of the matter is, every sane historian knows that kurds were nomadic mountain dweller- meaning they did not stay in one place. they have always been discriminated against & that is how they found protection. how can we they say that they own pretty much every mountainous country? iraq, iran, afghanistan, armenia, turkey, syria....
and even if they want to claim they were owners of the Median Empire, that started in 549 BC.... almost 2,000 YEARS AFTER ARMENIA.
@nuneh Yeah most kurds are great people but some of them too at the moment are as dangerous as the Turkish ultra-nationals. They are as racist as those Turks are. Most Kurds just go about their daily lives but there are some that believe that kurds are special/chosen etc. They are rebelling against Turkish racism by being even more racist. They are the ones that believe they are the oldest race, descended from prophets, gave the world civilisation and science etc.
@C0de46 yeah, i always read / see news about the kurds' situation in turkey. even the kurds (mostly Yezidi Kurds) living in Armenia organize protests to protect the minority kurds of Turkey from human rights violations.
@nuneh The kurdish situation in Turkey is not as bad as is reported outside of Turkey. It depends on who is reporting it. Depends on the agenda. Kurds were treated terribly in the past. In the last 10-15 years their situation is a lot better and will improve even more. But because of the past, some kurds have become used to complaining about everything. I talk to kurds all the time here and it is a minority who complain. They think everyone is out to get them.
@C0de46 yeah, it does depend on the source. and i understand that it's a messy situation because even PKK is considered to be an agent of protection to some, while its viewed as a pure terrorist mechanism by others. there are a million + 1 considerations to make & ways to look at it. i do hope that one day (though a long, long time from now), everyone will be free to believe, practice, eat, drink, live, breathe wherever he/she wants.
@nuneh Yeah the Pkk situation is a tough one because it was really born out of past Turkish governments and Turkish military leaders's fascist ideology. After the ottoman empire religion was basically abolished as a state mechanism. So to unify a mix of ethnicities the state forced "Turkishness" down everybodies throats. It worked with everybody except some kurds. Kurds who live in the south eastern corner are rather remote and have been somewhat shielded from Turkification.
@nuneh Turkey was not a rich country but even kurds in that area could see that the state was not investing in that area. Kurds felt discriminated against and it was rather easy to bore an organisation like the Pkk. It is not their first rebellion and it probably won't be their last. This PM is better than the others in this regard. He is Georgian background himself. His wife is arab. Therefore he understands ethnic origins. He is going further than any other leader for kurds.
@C0de46 and if we look at the root of why people want their own sovereign country (and why all these border disputes even occur)-- it's because they don't want to be ruled by someone who is not one of him, does not understand him, will not govern FOR him or with him in mind. if we had absolute freedom & understanding... we might even finally get closer to a world government and closer to world peace.
@nuneh I think that because kurds don't really have a history of their own, they are trying to claim the history of others. They claim descent from all those people I've already mentioned but no historian is absolutely sure. They all differ on who the kurds actually are. No tablets actually directly mention kurds. That's why they want to believe guti, mittani, corduayen, mede, etc all are kurds. They even say that they are hittites. I think they just appeared as mixed peoples.
@C0de46 yeah, and thats what happens when a group of people just move from place to place, trying to escape discrimination from the majority who have always tried to eliminate (and assimilate) these different groups of kurds.
they have so many religions and sects and are sooo diverse group to group. if they continue living this way, i really think they are on the road to extinction and they will never have their own "kurdistan." it's really unfortunate.
@nuneh There are many many kurds who are even more patriotic than i am. The people who have treated kurds the worst have always been kurdish leaders themselves. After Ataturk, the next president was kurdish and then there have always been kurdish leaders. If you could listen to Turkish kurds speak about kurds you would be shocked. They will never get a kurdistan. They never had one, and never will have one. Even if they did get Eastern Turkey, you guys would jump down their throats no?
@nuneh The following is a post to me from a kurd: Every historian knows that the medes are todays kurds and hurrian, hatti, carduchi, mitanni, uruatrian etc. Your just jealous and can't accept that. We have been qonquered many times but we have conquered many times. We are lions, we watch our children fight, we sleep, we hunt, we have beards, we fight other tribes other groups.
@C0de46 & that ridiculous(& unfortunately comical)comment u received is why kurds have never been able to establish a kurdistan country
many of them are wonderful people,but many of them would say/do anything to get what they want while forgetting that there are rules&facts that can't just be ignored for the sake of building that kurdistan
i do wish there was a kurdistan,just like i wish there was still an Assyria,but from who's lands do u give to a group that never INITIALLY settled in1place?
@nuneh Armenians don't like him but erdogan has been arguably our best PM. He has accomplished more than just filling his pockets like other leaders before him. He is not scared of the military and just throws them in jail. Previously the army was untouchable. PKK is our fault. No two ways about it. If your brothers are happy in the circus then they won't fire bullets at you. Erdogan is tryig to fix it but there are darker forces at work here. Every peace talks ends with a bomb somewhere
@nuneh Someone/some groups are making money out of the PKK not ending their armed struggle. Everytime a break-through is near, a major attack occurs somewhere and then the army responds and then here we go again. The sad reality is that kurds are the ones that are dying. The soldiers and police in that area are mainly kurds. So they are copping it from both sides. Guerilla war is very hard to defend against, especially in an area dominated by kurds.
@C0de46 that is horrible.Being an Armenian,and 1 whose family has been a minority ethnic group under Ottoman Turkish rule, I deeply sympathize with the Kurds. I just wish there was a way they could unite their efforts and form a coalition to actually achieve progress-- & this would benefit them, turkey, and the world. Organization is key and if they organized like Armenians worldwide have, they would definitely bring change to the Turkish government much sooner than Erdogan can even dream about.
@nuneh I watched the video on your channel "grandmas tattoos". If the events happened exactly as reported, then it is an absolute disgrace and nothing short of savagery. But the accuracy can be questioned. I am not being disrespectful I am just being objective. What I did notice is that the mannerisms and habits of Turks, Kurds, and Armenians are pretty much the same. The facial expressions whilst talking, the smacking of the knee with the hands, the whailing when sad, are all identical.
@C0de46 haha yeah.we cry the similarly.we're extremely expressive when we speak.hell, we Armenians will even say "aman..." if the situation calls for it
i appreciate you watching "grandma's tattoos". you seem like you would not purposefully lie.as Hrant Dink used to say,i don't think the majority of Turks purposefully lie about the existence of the genocide. the government is at fault for blocking the truth from u.
fortunately, more and more Turks are realizing & speaking the truth.
@nuneh The people in that film can all easily be Turks and kurds as well. That's how similar we are in looks. Especially the man in Yerevan conforting the old lady. He looks like an uncle of mine. That old lady looks exactly like my maternal grandma. She even has the same mannerisms ehehehe. I could easily grab her and kiss her.
@nuneh Arkadas who knows where our origins may lead. My father's side is Erzurum/Kars origin. Who knows before that? Mother's side is Central Anatolian as far as we know. We have always been muslim as far back as memory allows. Records are inadequate. If i turned out to be part armenian, part kurd, part assyrian, part greek, I would still be proud. You cannot pick your ancestors. Juding by my looks, I could be any one of those peoples. The mannerisms, the way we talk etc are all similar!
@nuneh Can you do me a favour? If you have any elderly relatives still alive from the WW1 era, can you find out for me if there were many muslims around Erzurum. Where did they come from? Were they kurds? What is the probability of Erzurum people's being armenian even though they are muslim? I would appreciate this as you guys probably have better records than us.
@C0de46 I'm actually away from home, and won't be returning for another 2 months. I will definitely ask my grandfather (who thank God still has amazing memory) and get back to you.
@nuneh Greatly appreciated. The suspence is killing me. You can probably shed more light on my origins than I can. I never knew that armenians were soo similar to Turks and Kurds in the way they live, talk, move, mimic etc. After having looked into it somewhat the main thing that seperates us is language and religion. Customs and traditions are pretty much the same. Even the furniture in your homes and the way they are decorated are the same. It is tragic that we are seperated today.
@C0de46 I agree. Sorry to make you wait like this, but my grandfather can't stand talking on the phone, so it will have to wait for about 2 months. Till then, peace :)
@nuneh you can suck my dick. Fucking faggot, stop crying about what happened a century ago.( i like that verry much but it wil be a shame to my grandfathers that they not kil all armenians i don't recongnize it thats the reason )Go find your fucking mother armenian asshole.if you do not hurry get your mother sold by a Turkish pimp.Stop to talking on the internet go face to face with turks they will kick your ass. FUCK ARMENIA ! KARABAQ IS AZERBAYCAN ! NEXT WAR WE WILL KILL AL OF THE ARMENIANS
@istanbulultras hahaha :) is that why the national army of azerbaijan LOST to a small group of Armenian volunteers who were merely protecting their homes in ancient Armenian Artsakh/Karabagh?
you represent azerbaijan and turkey very well. keep barking.
@nuneh small group armenians? With guns from the russians. Don't worry next war is quite Armenia from Turkey. We will take revenge for our brothers and give our brothers there country back ;) Hahah we've also done this a century ago, where you still crying about and you fucking people. the Turkish army is now stronger than the army of the russians ;) I think if the Turkish army does a millitary attack on armenia that no one will help you don't fergot that :) REMEMBER CYPRUS AND 1915 ;)
@istanbulultras of course I remember your turk history, silly. that is why turks have the reputation they do:
"They [the Turks] were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went, a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view. They represented everywhere government by force, as opposed to government by law.”
@nuneh yes that is another faggot who hates the Turks,because we are powerfull. Turkey is the regional boss. The economy in Turkey growth one of the fastest in the world, and armenia ?? hahah armenia is one of the poorest country in the world because not a country have a friendship with armenia you know that better than me.
@nuneh I am proud that I am a Turk. I am proud of my history. And certainly proud of my country and people. you can not be proud of your country and your people because you are a weak people, and still talking about a genocide that was committed upon you.
Also something I do not understand if you have such hatred on the Turks and Turkey why still live armenians in Turkey? HEHE BECAUSE IT IS BETTER LIFE IN TURKEY AND in ARMENIA hopeless;) MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK :)
well then you are saying it yourself, and calling historians like William Gladstone a "faggot" for talking about the shameful turkish history.
you are saying you are proud of your turk history, which consists of nothing but continuous genocides. so why are you mad that historians like Gladstone calls you barbarians.
@nuneh blablabla, shut the fuck off with bullshit. William gladstone don't like Turks because we are powerfull, you dirty orthodox scum i see this for the second time. People like him hate us because of jealousy you know. I give a answer on you questions but you don't do the same.you live in a poor country bitchass,on internet talking don't help the armenian economy,nor the people who suffer famine in your country haha, armenian people are not humans to me, they are animals you know. ATATURK !
@istanbulultras you answer my comments only by cursing at everyone who speaks the truth about your b.s. turkish government. apparently, everyone who speaks the truth about turkey only speaks it because they are jealous of turkey?
you're embarrassing yourself.
keep cursing. you're giving turks a worse name and doing NOTHING to me.
@nuneh you see everyone ? if you going to speak about that, than you live in dreams and your ideleogy, because only the haters and the country's (people) have jealousy they hates us. You have many country's who like Turkey, you see the truth ? only if they are not allowed to us is that out of jealousy and hatred. Thats the real truth. the war with the Armenians was for self-defense Turkey,
@istanbulultras which NONTURKIC countries like turkey? talking without any foundation is so easy for fools like yourself. you give the other turks who have brains a bad name.
@nuneh We where at war with the west and then came the Armenians in the back to attack us what do you expect ? haha revenge afcourse ;) And we did 't well. I AM PROUD TO BE A TURK !
@istanbulultras being proud to be a turk and being proud to have committed a genocide are two completely different things. you, obviously, aren't smart enough to know the difference.
and don't talk to me in turkish because i know that if i speak my language of choice, you won't understand.
@nuneh you continue to speak about bullshit. Which Country's like Turkey ? All country that the Armenian genocide did not recognize. ( all most all country's in asia ) Only europe like you , see the difference asia is growth up with economy, and in europe they have economy problems.All armenians life with there own ideology, russia will help us blablabla,
@nuneh The economy leaders off the world U.S.A - China don't recognize the armenian genocide. Only country's who hates us because, that Turkey going to have a big role in the world (because we ware a muslim country).
Russia give no fuck care for you people, armenia is one of the weakest country's on the world. My ex girlfriend is armenian, i fucked her every day, she same for armenia haha she sad always poor country and that shit therefor we life in Turkey.
@istanbulultras you sound like a complete idiot. i'm glad your channel name has "istanbul" in it--- so people can tell where an idiot like you was produced.
@nuneh Your language sounds like shit. Stop speaking about shit and go life in the reallife, no country cares about the armenians. It will be soon that you gona speak turkish to, go and learn it for its to late. Armenia wil be Turkey, like north-cyprus ;) MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK ! LONG LIFE THE YOUNG TURKS ! KEEP NOT ONE ARMENIAN A LIFE !
@nuneh what facts? you are talking about few countries that I have often explained not want us to be strong economic, you dont have china or america in your list, but some poor countries suffering from economic crisis your friends hahah.
Whole Armenia is a joke ! Poor bitch country, go and crying for whats happend a century ago ;)
if i went down to your level, i would curse out all turks and blame all turks for the Armenian Genocide.
but that would make me as stupid as you, and that is not the case.
good luck with your pathetic life. keep lying to yourself. maybe one day, you will open your eyes like Hasan Cemal, Taner Akcam, Ragip Zarakolu, and many others and see that mistakes have been made, but lying about them does not make you better people. the opposite is true.
The people that you enumerates,are people who are just turk of Armenian descent. Thats the true,you must not try to explain whats happening a century ago, you remain in your position, and we in our ,that will never change. Its enough so, you are otherwise than the most armenians you speak respectful back to me.hah if someone ever told me that Armenians are respectful,I laughed in their face but your are respectful. Nice to meet you bro.But we have not the same opinion.
@istanbulultras i don't blame you for not knowing the truth about what happened. your government raised you and your parents to not know the truth about the Armenian Genocide for their political reasons. the rest of the world (including Turkeys ally, Germany, during the genocide & WW1 have written about the Armenian Genocide in their national archives as the events were taking place.
@nuneh I understand you and the armenians who have there opinions. But we can not recognize it, we don't have proof. And if we have the proof we can also not recognize it ( The Turkish goverment ). Armenians have they story's and the Turks also. We heard from childhood that the Armenians killed Turks, burned villages killed childeren and womens. in wartime, when the army were in the west, came the armenians to conquer eastern Turkey. Thats what we thinking in Turkey.
@istanbulultras you government has the proof. so does Hasan Cemal, Taner Akcam, Ragip Zarakolu--- unfortunately, they are all either jailed, or threatened to keep quiet.
you do know that under Demad in the 1930s, turkey officially recognized the Armenian Genocide, right?
@nuneh Oh you are a female haha, i'm sorry. I've seen on your page you're doing a lot. Whats your age ?
I told your I told you before I had an Armenian girlfriend, they were very nice(she and her family). They said the same thing about me. They also said you should forget what happened before is we live now. I agree with them. We must forget it, the armenian people suffer it, economically, Armenia is very weak with respect.
@istanbulultras But if this crime of gneocide happened to your grandparents, you wouldnt think the same thing "lets forget about the past". i'm not saying we should be enemies forever, but in order to ever truly achieve peace, the turkish government needs to stop lying to its people about its bloody history.
@nuneh necessary I would sacrifice my life for my country. economy has certainly nothing to do with it afcourse. but the fact is "Armenian genocide" is a game from the west to Turkey thereby not allowing for the EU (where I am also heavily against). Many countries want us in the EU, but especially France and Germany do not want that, because Turkey with much mps(Members of parlement) would come to the EU and have more to say than the French and Germans.
@nuneh Thats the big deal, why they come with the "armenian genocide". It doesn't matter for the french people whats happening in armenia, Most Armenians where I talk about this subject that no one interested in whether Armenians have died, it is all about power in the west. we need to create end, we must forget the past and look ahead.
@nuneh Every Turk is nationalist. ( Taner akcam and his friends are not Turks, they have a armenian background but lives ( lived ) in Turkey. I always sad to my girlfriend sirumemkez, or sirun girl haha. ( If i type it right ), I go tomorrow to her haha if you have better words than what i told you say it to me to win better her heart, ( i go to her for dinner tomorrow oeefff haha her mother can verry good cook, Most food what we eat its like Turkish, Turkish - Armenian kitchen are the same ?
@istanbulultras and what does Armenia's economy have to do with the turkish government's crimes?
does a weaker economy mean you can break all laws and violate universal rights of life just because turkeys economy is stronger?
you do know that Armenias economy is partly the way it is because Turkey & Azerbaijan have an illegal blockade costing Armenia multi millions every year, right?
@nuneh Not divided Turkey, north-east of our country not Armenia, south-east of our country not kurdistan, Also with western Turkey, ( NOT FRANCE, ENGLAND OR GREECE.) Our grandfathers ( the Turkish army) give there lives for this Turkey. World war 1, Turkey has war with almost the entire West, betrayed by the Arabs, Armenians attacked us also. Our grandfathers must defend our country.
@nuneh relax armenian pinocchio or you will have a stroke.learn to digest different opinions before you start your empty literature about victimizing your liar ancesstors.here you can see the book in this page " tall armenian tale.com/forgeries-fotos.htm ".your little brain is so perfectly programmed that you call anything you dont have any idea about a lie.you will call this page a lie too probably lol.write the adress with out space between pinocchio
@nuneh Turks and Kurds are not by nature savages. I know this because i live amongst them and they are regular people just like you and I. I can't see how they could hurt a fly let alone kill/massacre humans indiscriminately. That is why it is easy for the govt to educate in a certain way. Most Turks/Kurds do not know what happened. It is what they hear. If it turned out the way you say, and Turks/kurds found out, they would be absolutely disgusted!
@C0de46 i get it... that's why they are so passionate about sticking to one side as opposed to listening to what the other side has to say.
i don't think anyone is born blood-thirsty... not the Turks & Kurds... not the Germans... not the Hutus. But unfortunately, some very big mistakes have been made.
@nuneh Continued the post from a kurd: . We are Kurds with one of the richest history and culture in the world. You're just jealous as the rest of the 50 million turks. Go back to Mongolia (end quote). Urartu is one of the peoples they claim descent from. They want credit for your kingdom too.
How ironic....... sitting on Armenian land (Katrin Kaghak) while calling it "Erzurum" and instead of talking about what you did to the natives (Armenians) of that land, you're being told creative stories. Some things never change...
Pakistani's (Asians) also have R1A.
and even mt DNA j is thought to originate from Western Asia.
I don't know where you are going with that, but really... i don't care what you wish to classify yourself. It's nothing to me.
@nuneh You are programmed to put Turks in asia. I just wanted to get your opinion and I was not disappointed. You are hell-bent on making all Turks (including today's modern population) asian and not Anatolian. R1a is a Scythian haplotype that originated directly north of the Black Sea in roughly where the Ukraine is today. It is found frequently in Russians and other slavs. Kurds and armenians also are high in R. J is a near east/middle east haplotype. It is local. Good luck!
@C0de46 i knew where you were going with your totally off topic question and i responded appropriately.... you can call yourself whatever you'd like.... you can call yourself a turk (even though you are likely a mix of all the ethnic groups turks are messed with, just like 60% of modern turkey)... and you can call yourself a caucasian, or white, or european, or heck--- call yourself an indian for all i care.
the origin of TURKS isssssss ASIAN & mixing with nonasians does not make TURKS nonasian
@nuneh Interesting that what you were told about what happened in Erzurum is totally true and correct, but what I was told ( by individuals - not Turkish Government) is lies and fabrication. Even a video on your channel says that the Turkish/Muslim population at the time DID NOT APPROVE of what was happening and REFUSED to take orders. Yet you people make Turkish people out to be monsters. What about the Turks who saved armenians? Why not mention them? Because it goes against your aims.
@C0de46 i am the 1st to say that a very few turks&kurds did not go along with what the majority was doing.... an even lower number of turks & kurds tried to rescue Armenians, but what else do u want me to do?
i have videos on my page about brave turks from today who are wise enough to teach the truth about the Armenian Genocide despite punishments. do you really think i think all turks are monsters? i have a poem on my page from a turk who spent most of his life in prison for speaking the truth
@nuneh Oh and another thing. Your "Red Sultan" Hamid, was armenian on his mother's side. Ouch! You told me earlier that armos don't kill each other. Armenians in the Byzantine Empire treated you guys the worst. There are muslim armenians in Turkey still today. I know plenty myself. They and the Kurdish gangs ripped you apart. But you guys are conditioned to make us far Asian, and monsters. Genetic testing proves Turks today are mainly locals. We are indigenous to Anatolia and near east.
@C0de46 like i said... many pashas chose to marry beautiful Armenians.
do you really think Sultan Hamid was really Armenian? did he speak a word of Armenian? did he have a single Armenian comrad? i mean he had Armenian genes from his mother, but he was one of the worst criminals of Armenians.... he's the sole idiot responsible for the Hamidian massacres (1894).
@C0de46 YOU SAY: "Genetic testing proves Turks today are mainly locals. We are indigenous to Anatolia and near east."
AGAIN, turks of turkey TODAY may have DNA that resembles the natives of Anatolia (Armenians & Greeks) because they have often forcefully & sometimes with consent mixed with them. that makes those individuals NON-TURKIC.... but it does NOT mean that TURKS ARE NATIVES OF ANATOLIA.
i don't get why it's so difficult to admit & accept this simple concept.
@nuneh I don't understand why it is so hard for armenians to speak anything highly of Turks and Turkey. If you have to, you choose to say "some" "few" "minor" etc. It's like you are giving birth when you say it. You people are obsessed with yourselves. When you talk of cradle of civilisation, i note you mention yourselves. What about Greeks, Egyptians, Jews, Sumerians, Babylonians? NOPE! Only armenians have ever walked this planet. Everyone good is armenian, everyone bad is not.
@C0de46 i think YOU think so badly of turks that you assume that i feel the same way.
i told you once, and i'll say it again....
there are honorable turks, but because the majority of turks choose to lie about the Armenian Genocide & history in general, HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ME TO SPEAK HIGHLY OF THEM?
you want me to praise those who have savagely slaughtered my ancestors and currently occupy my homeland while calling it "turkey"?
@nuneh If I carry local genes, I am a local. You can call me mongol, asian, left-wing, right arm, cripple, whatever you like. I and most Turks (according to science) carry local genes. Therefore ancient anatolians are my ancestors. My DNA places me there. Your arguement that I don't belong there is shot. Anyway, I am sovereign there now and you are not. You can visit but that's it. 1000 years ago MY ancestors MAY have come from there, they MAY NOT. My country now.
@C0de46 if you carry genes of the native Anatolians (aka you are not an ethnic turk, aka you are likely armenian or greek).... WHY WOULD I CALL YOU A MONGOL?
your country now and all i can do is visit?
and the comment you sent just before this was you asking me why people are unable to think highly of turks..... THAT IS WHY. you have no respect for morality... you have no respect for rules or laws.... if you can extend the borders of turkey, that is all that matters to you. truly disgusting!
@nuneh There are plenty of Turks today that I personally know are armenian background. They have no reason not to change back if they wanted to. They choose not to. There are openly armenians in Turkey today. Nobody cares. You think we spend all day thinking of ways to hurt armenians? You think armenians enter our daily psych? You think you are important and central, we DO NOT. Erzurum has been Erzurum for hundreds of years. Not just recently.
@C0de46 you've already hurt the Armenians enough.what else could u possibly do?
what is worse than uprooting an entire race via genocide?
do u know how many armenians who's ancestors once hid their identity in turkey for protection and now they are unable to even speak in Armenian.they tell me how ashamed they are and how sad they are that they were not able to uphold their ethnic ties and that they are proof that the ArmenianGenocide really does hurt my race to this day. yet u feel no remorse
@nuneh I don't mean to insult you. Even if armenians were living there today it would still be Turkey and not Armenia. It hasn't been armenia for 1000 years. It was the Ottoman Empire remember. Laws? You lost that land when we arrived and conquered it. Humanity knows that land as Turkey and before that as Ottoman Empire. Before that it was Byzantine Empire if I am not mistaken. There are armenians today who are Turks in everything they do. I have family friends like this. No probs.
@C0de46 of course no problem for u...u seeing remaining Armenians in Turkey who talk, look, and act like Turks is just a sign that the Armenian Genocide did successfully affect those individuals.
why would u have a problem with that?
it seems u dont know how empires work. let me help yu: WHEN AN EMPIRE COLLAPSES, THE PARTICIPATING COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN TAKE THEIR COUNTRIES&BORDERS BEFORE THE EMPIRE'S EXISTENCE.
but instead, what happened to Armenian land? ....a new country: "azerbaijan"&turkey
@C0de46 erzurum has been erzurum for hundreds of years... yes.
BUT erzurum has been Katrin Kaghak for thousands of years and how it became "erzurum" is truly shameful and has left yet another stain on turkey's history.
if you are not ashamed by something of that nature, i don't know how i can classify you as a human being, let alone an honorable turk.
@nuneh Do you understand what conquering means? Do you know that those lands were Ottoman Empire before Turkey and Byzantine before that? You may have lived there, but it wasn't YOURS. You lost it to a more powerful being. Are you as disgusted by how America became America? How Australia became Australia, How Sth America speaks spanish and portuguese? History shouldn't be judged by today's standards or everybody comes out looking harsh. What about what happened to blacks in Africa? Disgusted?
@C0de46 you know nothing about Armenian history. If you dont like reading, I suggest watching a film that should be coming out soon about Armenia during Byzantium called, "East of Byzantium"
also, because you fail to use the terms appropriately, how would YOU define the following terms?
@nuneh I am not preoccupied with armenian history like you are. I won't waste my time with a small insignificant people who are megalomaniacs. As long as you don't respect the borders between the two countries there won't be peace and nothing will be resolved. Turkey will not give you any land. You will need to fight for it. Prove it was genocide and then declare war. Or even just declare war without proving anything. You are infatuated with the word genocide. I am not. And No it wasn't
@C0de46 u turks are a matter of comedy.u were just asking why turks have gained a reputation of "genocidal monsters",& u just showed why
"Turks were,upon the whole,from the black day when they 1st entered Europe,the 1 great anti-human specimen of humanity.Wherever they went,a broad line of blood marked the track behind them,&as far as their dominion reached,civilization disappeared from view.They represented everywhere government by force, as opposed to government by law.”
@nuneh Typical armenian. Quotes something from a little man. Who cares what that dick thinks? Copy/paste me more anti-Turkish quotes. Why do you say "u Turks..."? You like to insult don't you? For you a reasonable Turk is one who agrees with you. Well I don't. Call me comedy, call me horror. I never asked you why we gained any reputation. I don't care about reputations. You do. You are obsessed with what people think. I don't need your love. That word is your infatuation.
@nuneh When I said today's standards I didn't and never will mean "genocide". That word doesn't exist for me. I am not obsessed with it. I don't call everything genocide. You are the only people in the world that's had it hard. Poor armo. I means wars, conquering, annexing etc. In those days that's what people did. Since day one, man has invaded raped pilaged and plundered. It is not a Turkish thing. Look up other empires and what they did. NOT GENOCIDE. If it is, prove it!
@C0de46 right-- of course the word "genocide" doesnt exist for you. it reminds you too much of the fact that your ancestors committed the worst kind of crime, so you'd rather block out the word entirely.
you don't need to be obsessed with a word to understand why the damn word was made in the first place. Raphael Lemkin made the word with the Armenian Genocide specifically in mind..... funny how you turks claim no genocide occurred lol. pathetic, actually
@nuneh Continued. I was a strong empire up until the 1800's. I had plenty of time to wipe you out if that was what I wanted. Nobody was strong enough to tackle the dreaded Turk before that time. NOBODY. If I wanted, I had ample chance to FORCEFULLY change your language, religion, tradition etc. 900 years is plenty of time to accomplish this. You are too one-sided to recognise that I could have done what French and English did. They imposed their way. I didn't! I could have but didnt!
@C0de46 why would u wipe out the very people (Armenians & Jews) who brought in all the money to the empire?? (they were the businessmen) ARE U CRAZY? & do u think the world would have allowed Ottoman Turkey to get away with a genocide if they had not been preoccupied fighting in the World War?
PLEASE watch "grandma's tattoos" & tell me what you think. i really dont want to believe that turks are bad people. i genuinely think Hrant Dink was right in that you've been conditioned to think this way
@nuneh If I wanted to, I could have wiped you out a long time ago. I had 1000 years to do it. You are tickling your own ego. You were a small minority. No matter how useful you were, time comes when people's use expires. You were known as a loyal hardworking people. You didn't remain that way. Jews? We took them in. Why wipe them out?
@C0de46 so do you think you turkey is always going to be powerful?
and you talk about "people's use" and it having to expire, like we must exterminate people as soon as we have learned & taken everything from them. you really sound like a thirsty barbarian merely looking for chaos.
@nuneh 900 years covers many many many generations. That is plenty of time to accomplish a slow assimilation program where you come out the other side as Turkish as i am. Why do you not criticise the English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch? Because you are not objective. They all conquered as we did but IMPOSED their way on the locals. Their language, religion, all were forcibly imposed. We left you alone. If you are armo today it's because we let you be. Think about it.
@C0de46 attempted turkification has been attempted time & time again AND unfortunately, you have taken some Arrmenians.
take some time & learn about the Hamshen region's Armenians. Some still speak Armenian and know their roots. Some just know they're Armenian, but no longer speak Armenian because they were uprooted. & some don't even know they were originally of Armenian descent. They think they are just a group of turkic people.
why do you have hrant dink, cocksuckers? you shot him brutaly to death and you call him "bizim ermeni" ?? kunem amen turkeren dagikner!
ArmenianZipmanwwwi 1 week ago
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Chaos3483 2 weeks ago
All i can give you is the word of God to turkish people.Ezekiel 30:5"Cush and Put, Lydia and all Arabia, Libya and the people of the covenant land will fall by the sword along with Egypt."(Lydia=Turkey).So all of my armenian brothers pray for turkish people,for they are going to experience Gods wrath.Bible prophecy isnt lying,and please our armenian brorthers dont hate the turks for what happened,for wow to those who will experince the wrath of Messiah by himself.But pray or turks.
meyaxshavat 2 weeks ago
@meyaxshavat dont worry same fate waiting for armenian murderers who killed more than 500.000 turks in anatolia between 1910-1922.
Chaos3483 2 weeks ago
you have ZERO legitimacy. obviously, and as you have shown, you will lie the lowest of lies to try to make a point.
according to you, Taner Akcam is Armenian because he speaks the truth about the Armenian Genocide.
i asked you: HOW ABOUT HASAN CEMAL?????????
do you even know who he is? Hasan Cemal is the grandson of Cemal Pasha (ONE OF THE YOUNG TURK LEADERS (genocide organizers))
IS HE ARMENIAN TOO JUST BECAUSE HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?
shame on u for lying like this
nuneh 2 weeks ago
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@nuneh LOL Armenian liars removed my comments.What hapened? You felt defeated? Losers.You couldnt answer me after I revealed the truth about your diaspora fabrication picture which you use a background photo.Now 3 of my comments are removed and 1 flagged as spam and there is not even a curse in any of them.LOL armenian pinocchios.Stop crying now and dont denie the crimes you committed against Turkish people and Azeri Turks.
Chaos3483 2 weeks ago
@nuneh hahah it seems as if you've won the debate,because you just drop a comment without clicking on answer to me. but I thought I'm going to have a look because not everyone is as smart as a turk. Hasan cemal ? Come with your links.and not come here to express your dreams, I know hasan cemal, I've never seen him talk about that subject. but armenians want to believe what they believe.
istanbulultras 4 days ago
@istanbulultras you know hasan cemal and have never heard him talk about the Armenian Genocide?
it shows how much you know.
youtube****com/watch?v=fgJ35-UcmAk
HAVE YOU HEARD HIM NOW?
ARE YOU GOING TO CALL HIM ARMENIAN NOW TOO?
nuneh 4 days ago
@nuneh I see no link, i see stars ? try again.
istanbulultras 4 days ago
@istanbulultras replace the stars with how you usually see links. youtube doesnt allow links to be posted in comments.
or you can search on youtube: "hasan cemal ucla"
you will hear hasan cemal talking about the Armenian Genocide
nuneh 4 days ago
@nuneh TANER AKCAM IS ARMENIAN. and I was still thinking I'm talking with a smart person, but I talk with an Armenian, that says enough ! Go cry for whats happend haha that wil make you better feel. KARABAQ AND WHOLE ARMENIA ( LITTLE ARMENIA HAHA ) WILL BE TURKISH TERRITORY !
istanbulultras 4 days ago
@istanbulultras in one comment, you try to convince me that Turks are not barbaric genocidal monsters, and then you send this comment exposing your true colors.
you've convinced me enough.
nuneh 4 days ago
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Chaos3483 2 weeks ago
@nuneh Armenia must crick up. france and the rest of europe, keep the Armenian "genocide" in life for their own political games, Armenians from Armenia suffer from it. We must live in peace together. Asala ( Teror group) is over, Young Turks are over. I thank you for you warmly comment also.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras why do u think i don't want peace?
its for that that turkey needs to stop lying
Young Turks are over,but the modern turkish government still jails or kills all those who speak the truth about the Armneian Genocide.&please note that ASALA formed to stop turks from killing more Armenians.look at its creation date & look at all the massacres of Armenians that occured before then.u wanted armenians to just take it?
do u want peace? ask the turkish government to stop their nonsense
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@nuneh First what i want to say is asala is a terrorist organization they killed many turkish civilians .( PKK = also armenian ).We can talk about this for a long time, but we don't gone have the same opinion of what was happend, i say you the turkish story, you say to me the armenian story. I agree with the Turkish government, the blood of our grandfathers are not wasted for nothing, its wasted for this Turkey.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
ne mutlu Ermeni-Amerikaliyim diyene.
Varangian1915 2 weeks ago
ATTENTION TURKS:
what i have written to @istanbulultras applies to him and people at his low level. i mean no offense to other turks.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
You c how u fool's try an change history by coming out wd sht like ottomans? no not ottomans ''OSMANS' u c so dont b offended when we call u monkeys, aint that wr think grandfather' came frm MONKEY..
onceevinicinitemizle 3 weeks ago
pox olsun ermeni gotlerinin agzina,ALLAH onlara spitakdaki zelzeleden bir daha versin erevandan eser elamet qalmasin,anasi qehbe gotler,butun azeri sikleri girsin sizin gotuvuze ograshlar
SEVA5400 3 weeks ago
we have no armenians. france and usa so much :)
ExPLoReRNeT1 3 weeks ago
FUCK ALL ARMENIANS. BUTUN ERMENILERIN KAFALARINI KESIM ORUSPU PIC COCUKLARI !
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
Our Monkeys/ Bizim Maymunlar
Nickname997 3 weeks ago
Burda Turkiyede serefiyle yasayan , Turkiyeyi kendi vatani bilerek, ulkesi icin canlarini vermeye hazir Ermeni kardeslerimz icin lutfen saygisizca yorumlar yazmayiniz,
Turkiyede yasayan butun uluslar bizim Ailemizdir, Ailemizin bir parcasidir.
Anadolu halklarimiz bizlerin Turkiyenin ortak degeridir.
Birbirimize olan Saygi ve sevgimizin devam etmesi icin elimizden ne geliyorsa yapalim.
Provakatorleri, aramizda dusmanlik yaratmak isteyenleri iyi bilelim ve onlara firsat vermeyelim..
WorldPeaceUnion 1 month ago
@WorldPeaceUnion ye its all gd an may even b noble ur intentions, when ever we muslim turks have streched hand out 2 help a race of people the'v always ended up try 2 rip our arm of or back stab us( history is outthere 4 d truth seekers) one example when d spanish wr throwing d jew in d sea 1498, who sent ships 2 save THEM who, go ask d jew's , and now look at them , killing inocent woman children. Muslims turks taught this world good in everything, , but they prefer 2 eat sht, u r wot u eat..
onceevinicinitemizle 3 weeks ago
@onceevinicinitemizle
I understand your point. But it doesn't make us being hateful community of people to other nations in our country.
It is not fair and wrong .It means we will punish innocent ones too just because some others acts hostil way. We can't treat them same.What our Country's Armenian community has anything to do with what is going on around the world or some hostilities of other Armenian Diaspora. They are not related . other than just having same ethnic background.
WorldPeaceUnion 3 weeks ago
@onceevinicinitemizle
We will continue to be Noble Nation.We will continue to treat others fairly and being tolerant. as we were since Ottoman Empire.. as our ancesters..We will continue celebrate our differences , live peacefuly together and respect for each other , That is why we are the richest in the world as culture, music, traditions etc. with many different ethnics nations as we are today. Is there anywhere else any other country has what we have?
We are blessed...and very lucky too.
WorldPeaceUnion 3 weeks ago
FUCK ARMGAYNIANS OROSPU COCUKLARI
SiKTiRiN GiDiN TURKIYE'DEN !!!!!
cCc
54Turkiye 1 month ago
@54Turkiye
Anani sikerim, turkeren pislik dagikner! you will taste our AK-47 bullets in your mouth
ArmenianZipmanwwwi 1 week ago
ANASINI IKEYIM ERMENILERIN ORUCPU COCUKLARI
AZERISTYLE007 1 month ago
@AZERISTYLE007
your mother is a osospu azeri pislikner! we fucked you big big time in karabakh! inclusive your mother who is a whore, thats make you a son of a whore!
ArmenianZipmanwwwi 1 week ago
hepinizin amina koyim LONG LIVE AMERICA BRITANIA!!
70milYondanBIRI 1 month ago
My ancestors never committed any crime against people. My ancestors escaped Russian and Armenian savagery. I am in Central Anatolia now because we fled your mass killers.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 so you live on Armenia's land, because you escaped from Armenians? yeah... that makes sense.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I don't live on armenia's land. I live on Turkish land. It has been Turkish land since 1071 give or take. I have never known it as armenian land. It was byzantium before that. I know armenians lived there. So what? You were not the owners. You owned property on those lands - yes. Not the same. Now this is not the Turkish Govt speaking now. Humans from Erzurum and surrounds have told me of Russian and armenian attrocities. How do you explain this? Human testimonies.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 i explained it to u several comments ago:
this land was called "Katrin" (Armenian) before u named it "Erzurum"... & even when u changed the name to a turkish name, it was an Armenian Villayet (meaning it was a settlement of Armenians as Armenians paid separate taxes to be allowed to practice their religion & speak their own language in their villayets)
the thought that Armenians would massacre the muslims of Erzurum sounds CRAZY as Erzurum was an ARMENIAN VILLAYET
you've been lied to
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I am telling you what I have been told by my elders. Why would they lie to ME? They are not politicians or state educators. They told me that russians and armenians massacred/were massacering muslims in Erzurum, Van etc. Therefore they fled and moved into central Anatolia. We have been there ever since. My ancestors had to flee Erzurum because of armenians. This is not state propaganda. The state told me nothing. Elderly humans did.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 if you looked into the history of Erzurum (Katrin), you would easily be able to understand that it has always been Armenian-populated. It was called Katrin, when it was part of Armenia. When it was taken by the Ottoman Empire, it was changed to "Erzurum" and even then, it was a separate villayet specifically for Armenians.
you telling me this info about your family makes me almost certain that you have at least a grandparent that has at least partial Armenian roots.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh VIVA ARMENIA
ermeniogluermeni 1 month ago
@nuneh Out of all the armenians I have spoken to/with on youtube you are the most polite and patient. However you have been raised through the same system. Back to the mid 1800's my family members have muslim names and are/were muslims as far as we can tell. If we were armenian I think we would know. They have more chance of being kurds. Erzurum is home to kurds and very patriotic nationalist Turks. Either way it doesn't bother me. It would be good to know but the records are not great.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 what system are you talking about?
i respect those who deserve to be respected. my grandparents all speak fluent turkish and my parents know enough to communicate. Armenians aren't as "anti-Turkish" as many Turks think. like i have written in my profile, i do not have a reason to hate turks. it was the turkish GOVERNMENT that organized the genocide and it is the turkish GOVERNMENT today that distorts history causing this conflict between us.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I know a lot of armenians still speak some Turkish today. When I was a kid an elderly man used to come to the cafe that my father used to take me to. This elderly man used to play cards with my father and his friends. He was no different to Turks. My father told me he was armenian and I was suprised. I asked my father why he would want to play cards with Turks if we indiscriminately killed them. My father said that despite politics and religion we are Anatolian brothers.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 and your father is right. that is why i wish your government would stop lying to the turkish people so that we can all be on the same page & reach our full potential of true brotherhood.
I don't know if any Armenian or Turk has told you this, but some turks & kurds chose to not follow the state orders and instead saved Armenians. Mostly, the rescuers were Arabs, but it would be wrong to say that ALL turks & kurds participated in the killing.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I have looked into our background and records go back to about 1860. The names are muslim names and we are muslim (not the best muslims going around either I may add) . There is talk that one of my grandparents was originally was from Kars. Not sure though. Anyway he/she was also muslim. But I am not spinning shit when I say that people are adamant and swear to the fact that Russians and armenians slaughtered muslims in Erzurum and surrounds. This is not state-speak.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 and i'm not accusing you of spinning anything or purposefully lying to me. i am just stating the fact that Katrin/Erzurum was always ONLY ARMENIAN until the end of the Ottoman Empire. so just with that fact alone, what u hear from those people canNOT be true.
the only possible situation is:
Muslims went into the only Armenian population Erzurum to wipe them out, and Armenians (in trying to stop them) managed to kill some of them. And perhaps these are the deaths your ancestors speak of
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Most Turks do not hate armenians or do not have an opinion. Armenians do not normally enter our daily psyche. What did you think about what I wrote about my family heritage? I am interested in an armenian perspective. Turkish records are not great. Most turks cannot find their past beyond 1850. Records just stop there. What do you think about Kurds saying that they were always the majority ethnic group in Anatolia and eastern Turkey? They also claim your ancient region.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 See, I have a hard time believing that most turks do not think about Armenians.
flagburningworld*com
check that website out. the top three most burned flags are always turkey, azerbaijan, and armenia. the order shifts daily.
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46 if your family lived in erzurum/katrin... you almost certainly have armenian roots. even if the names you have are muslim names, note that many armenians did change their names for protection and many even hid the truth about their identities to even their offspring for their protection... and you know what even 2 generations of that pattern can do to people.
... and that is just my opinion because you asked for it.
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46as u probably know,kurds have been conquered by many÷d&spread out all over the world.the differences between2groups of kurds could be bigger than the differences between u&i.some kurds know history&know their place,while like u said,some kurds think they own pretty much everything
truth is,kurds were historically nomadic mountain dwellers
even if they want to claim the median empire--that started 549 BC
Armenia/Hayk/Hayastan existed from 2492 BC&im not even mentioning the Hitites
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Turks and Kurds also claim descent from Hittites. Not as original central asian Turks obviously but when Those Turks came here and mixed with the already established locals. Now I know you will claim Armenians are those people but this is where history is subjective. You and I can read the same history and somehow distort it to how we want it to be. Just look around youtube. Everybody started civilisation eheheh. Everybody's ancestors were Einstein and Alexander The Great.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 through mixing with the natives of the area---yes, u may very well be of Hittite and Hurrian descent like Armenians
but u said it yourself that ORIGINAL turkic dna was not related to these natives of the area as you know that turks emerged from Asian huns from central Asia and later moved right next to where Armenia had already been established
don't get me wrong--I would never say Armenians ALONE started civilization. civilization was started in the Fertile Crescent and THAT is a fact
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Anatolia and surrounds is home to the most egotistical people in the world. You don't seem to have western europeans arguing the same sorts of nonsense things. Everybody claims to be hittites, mitanni, medes, urartu, hatti, phrgian etc. Greeks also lived in Erzurum didn't they? I have been told one of my grandparents is from Kars. He/she moved to erzurum and married the other grandparent. Around WW1 they fled to Ankara to escape Russians and armenians. That's all i know.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 lol yeah, i agree--- but people tend to get egotistical when they have something to brag about. for example, you dont tend to see egotistic homeless people haha
Anatolia was one of the areas that made major contributions to the start of civilization.... can you blame them?
western europeans can only brag about the advances they LATER made with steel... and even that rose from the initial contributions of the fertile crescent natives
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh What do you say about Kurds today claiming all of eastern Turkey as their rightful property. They say that ezurum, kars, van, mush, diyarbakir, basically all the way to Ankara is their land. They claim to be there before you and everybody else. They claim descent from Mitanni, medes, urartu etc. What is your opinion? What do armenians think of kurds and how has your national relationship been with them?
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 hahaha... you just names areas that were all a part of Western Armenia--- Katrin, Van, Mush, Tigranakert....
Do you know why Kurds claim those lands?
Because when they helped Ottoman Turkey with the Armenian Genocide, they were promised that they would be given the Armenians' land once there were no more Armenians. I've even spoken to some Kurds on youtube who still say that they would do anything to "have beautiful Armenian land. what do you expect?"--- NO LIE!
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46 i had never heard a Kurd claim to be of Urartu descent, as Urartu was actually just one of the names of Armenian kingdoms. Even in Assyrian writing, they wrote about the Armenians of Urartu (meaning Ararat).
that's new-- but i'm not surprised that someone would try to take credit like that out of desperation.
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46 the fact of the matter is, every sane historian knows that kurds were nomadic mountain dweller- meaning they did not stay in one place. they have always been discriminated against & that is how they found protection. how can we they say that they own pretty much every mountainous country? iraq, iran, afghanistan, armenia, turkey, syria....
and even if they want to claim they were owners of the Median Empire, that started in 549 BC.... almost 2,000 YEARS AFTER ARMENIA.
armenia-- 2492 bc
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Yeah most kurds are great people but some of them too at the moment are as dangerous as the Turkish ultra-nationals. They are as racist as those Turks are. Most Kurds just go about their daily lives but there are some that believe that kurds are special/chosen etc. They are rebelling against Turkish racism by being even more racist. They are the ones that believe they are the oldest race, descended from prophets, gave the world civilisation and science etc.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 yeah, i always read / see news about the kurds' situation in turkey. even the kurds (mostly Yezidi Kurds) living in Armenia organize protests to protect the minority kurds of Turkey from human rights violations.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh The kurdish situation in Turkey is not as bad as is reported outside of Turkey. It depends on who is reporting it. Depends on the agenda. Kurds were treated terribly in the past. In the last 10-15 years their situation is a lot better and will improve even more. But because of the past, some kurds have become used to complaining about everything. I talk to kurds all the time here and it is a minority who complain. They think everyone is out to get them.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 yeah, it does depend on the source. and i understand that it's a messy situation because even PKK is considered to be an agent of protection to some, while its viewed as a pure terrorist mechanism by others. there are a million + 1 considerations to make & ways to look at it. i do hope that one day (though a long, long time from now), everyone will be free to believe, practice, eat, drink, live, breathe wherever he/she wants.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Yeah the Pkk situation is a tough one because it was really born out of past Turkish governments and Turkish military leaders's fascist ideology. After the ottoman empire religion was basically abolished as a state mechanism. So to unify a mix of ethnicities the state forced "Turkishness" down everybodies throats. It worked with everybody except some kurds. Kurds who live in the south eastern corner are rather remote and have been somewhat shielded from Turkification.
C0de46 1 month ago
@nuneh Turkey was not a rich country but even kurds in that area could see that the state was not investing in that area. Kurds felt discriminated against and it was rather easy to bore an organisation like the Pkk. It is not their first rebellion and it probably won't be their last. This PM is better than the others in this regard. He is Georgian background himself. His wife is arab. Therefore he understands ethnic origins. He is going further than any other leader for kurds.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 and if we look at the root of why people want their own sovereign country (and why all these border disputes even occur)-- it's because they don't want to be ruled by someone who is not one of him, does not understand him, will not govern FOR him or with him in mind. if we had absolute freedom & understanding... we might even finally get closer to a world government and closer to world peace.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I think that because kurds don't really have a history of their own, they are trying to claim the history of others. They claim descent from all those people I've already mentioned but no historian is absolutely sure. They all differ on who the kurds actually are. No tablets actually directly mention kurds. That's why they want to believe guti, mittani, corduayen, mede, etc all are kurds. They even say that they are hittites. I think they just appeared as mixed peoples.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 yeah, and thats what happens when a group of people just move from place to place, trying to escape discrimination from the majority who have always tried to eliminate (and assimilate) these different groups of kurds.
they have so many religions and sects and are sooo diverse group to group. if they continue living this way, i really think they are on the road to extinction and they will never have their own "kurdistan." it's really unfortunate.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh There are many many kurds who are even more patriotic than i am. The people who have treated kurds the worst have always been kurdish leaders themselves. After Ataturk, the next president was kurdish and then there have always been kurdish leaders. If you could listen to Turkish kurds speak about kurds you would be shocked. They will never get a kurdistan. They never had one, and never will have one. Even if they did get Eastern Turkey, you guys would jump down their throats no?
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 are you asking me if we would jump down their throats? or telling me thats what the turkish kurds say about kurds?
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh The following is a post to me from a kurd: Every historian knows that the medes are todays kurds and hurrian, hatti, carduchi, mitanni, uruatrian etc. Your just jealous and can't accept that. We have been qonquered many times but we have conquered many times. We are lions, we watch our children fight, we sleep, we hunt, we have beards, we fight other tribes other groups.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 & that ridiculous(& unfortunately comical)comment u received is why kurds have never been able to establish a kurdistan country
many of them are wonderful people,but many of them would say/do anything to get what they want while forgetting that there are rules&facts that can't just be ignored for the sake of building that kurdistan
i do wish there was a kurdistan,just like i wish there was still an Assyria,but from who's lands do u give to a group that never INITIALLY settled in1place?
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Armenians don't like him but erdogan has been arguably our best PM. He has accomplished more than just filling his pockets like other leaders before him. He is not scared of the military and just throws them in jail. Previously the army was untouchable. PKK is our fault. No two ways about it. If your brothers are happy in the circus then they won't fire bullets at you. Erdogan is tryig to fix it but there are darker forces at work here. Every peace talks ends with a bomb somewhere
C0de46 1 month ago
@nuneh Someone/some groups are making money out of the PKK not ending their armed struggle. Everytime a break-through is near, a major attack occurs somewhere and then the army responds and then here we go again. The sad reality is that kurds are the ones that are dying. The soldiers and police in that area are mainly kurds. So they are copping it from both sides. Guerilla war is very hard to defend against, especially in an area dominated by kurds.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 that is horrible.Being an Armenian,and 1 whose family has been a minority ethnic group under Ottoman Turkish rule, I deeply sympathize with the Kurds. I just wish there was a way they could unite their efforts and form a coalition to actually achieve progress-- & this would benefit them, turkey, and the world. Organization is key and if they organized like Armenians worldwide have, they would definitely bring change to the Turkish government much sooner than Erdogan can even dream about.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I watched the video on your channel "grandmas tattoos". If the events happened exactly as reported, then it is an absolute disgrace and nothing short of savagery. But the accuracy can be questioned. I am not being disrespectful I am just being objective. What I did notice is that the mannerisms and habits of Turks, Kurds, and Armenians are pretty much the same. The facial expressions whilst talking, the smacking of the knee with the hands, the whailing when sad, are all identical.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 haha yeah.we cry the similarly.we're extremely expressive when we speak.hell, we Armenians will even say "aman..." if the situation calls for it
i appreciate you watching "grandma's tattoos". you seem like you would not purposefully lie.as Hrant Dink used to say,i don't think the majority of Turks purposefully lie about the existence of the genocide. the government is at fault for blocking the truth from u.
fortunately, more and more Turks are realizing & speaking the truth.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh The people in that film can all easily be Turks and kurds as well. That's how similar we are in looks. Especially the man in Yerevan conforting the old lady. He looks like an uncle of mine. That old lady looks exactly like my maternal grandma. She even has the same mannerisms ehehehe. I could easily grab her and kiss her.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 are you certain you're not Armenian? just kidding. haha
yeah, like you said, many Turks of Turkey are now very, very similar genetically to the natives of Anatolia aka the neighboring countries.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Arkadas who knows where our origins may lead. My father's side is Erzurum/Kars origin. Who knows before that? Mother's side is Central Anatolian as far as we know. We have always been muslim as far back as memory allows. Records are inadequate. If i turned out to be part armenian, part kurd, part assyrian, part greek, I would still be proud. You cannot pick your ancestors. Juding by my looks, I could be any one of those peoples. The mannerisms, the way we talk etc are all similar!
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 amen to that.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Can you do me a favour? If you have any elderly relatives still alive from the WW1 era, can you find out for me if there were many muslims around Erzurum. Where did they come from? Were they kurds? What is the probability of Erzurum people's being armenian even though they are muslim? I would appreciate this as you guys probably have better records than us.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 I'm actually away from home, and won't be returning for another 2 months. I will definitely ask my grandfather (who thank God still has amazing memory) and get back to you.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Greatly appreciated. The suspence is killing me. You can probably shed more light on my origins than I can. I never knew that armenians were soo similar to Turks and Kurds in the way they live, talk, move, mimic etc. After having looked into it somewhat the main thing that seperates us is language and religion. Customs and traditions are pretty much the same. Even the furniture in your homes and the way they are decorated are the same. It is tragic that we are seperated today.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 I agree. Sorry to make you wait like this, but my grandfather can't stand talking on the phone, so it will have to wait for about 2 months. Till then, peace :)
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh No that's okay. Peace to you too brother. In the meantime enjoy this:
watch?v=Knpf1Rbt_Mw
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46
thanks for sharing. another (in a way) combo i like:
/watch?v=HeRT8rfvEtk
and this one (an Armenian friend from Turkey) showed me and i've loved since:
/watch?v=dXrVnqGgkH4
and by the way, I'm actually a sister. i'll talk to you in 2 months.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Ooops. I never knew you were female. Pleased to meet you. I will watch those. Thanks. Talk soon.
C0de46 1 month ago
@nuneh you can suck my dick. Fucking faggot, stop crying about what happened a century ago.( i like that verry much but it wil be a shame to my grandfathers that they not kil all armenians i don't recongnize it thats the reason )Go find your fucking mother armenian asshole.if you do not hurry get your mother sold by a Turkish pimp.Stop to talking on the internet go face to face with turks they will kick your ass. FUCK ARMENIA ! KARABAQ IS AZERBAYCAN ! NEXT WAR WE WILL KILL AL OF THE ARMENIANS
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras hahaha :) is that why the national army of azerbaijan LOST to a small group of Armenian volunteers who were merely protecting their homes in ancient Armenian Artsakh/Karabagh?
you represent azerbaijan and turkey very well. keep barking.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh small group armenians? With guns from the russians. Don't worry next war is quite Armenia from Turkey. We will take revenge for our brothers and give our brothers there country back ;) Hahah we've also done this a century ago, where you still crying about and you fucking people. the Turkish army is now stronger than the army of the russians ;) I think if the Turkish army does a millitary attack on armenia that no one will help you don't fergot that :) REMEMBER CYPRUS AND 1915 ;)
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras of course I remember your turk history, silly. that is why turks have the reputation they do:
"They [the Turks] were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went, a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view. They represented everywhere government by force, as opposed to government by law.”
—William Gladstone
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh yes that is another faggot who hates the Turks,because we are powerfull. Turkey is the regional boss. The economy in Turkey growth one of the fastest in the world, and armenia ?? hahah armenia is one of the poorest country in the world because not a country have a friendship with armenia you know that better than me.
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras so everyone who speaks the truth about turkey is a "faggot"?
do you hear how crazy you sound?
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh I am proud that I am a Turk. I am proud of my history. And certainly proud of my country and people. you can not be proud of your country and your people because you are a weak people, and still talking about a genocide that was committed upon you.
Also something I do not understand if you have such hatred on the Turks and Turkey why still live armenians in Turkey? HEHE BECAUSE IT IS BETTER LIFE IN TURKEY AND in ARMENIA hopeless;) MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK :)
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras
well then you are saying it yourself, and calling historians like William Gladstone a "faggot" for talking about the shameful turkish history.
you are saying you are proud of your turk history, which consists of nothing but continuous genocides. so why are you mad that historians like Gladstone calls you barbarians.
are you not proud?
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh blablabla, shut the fuck off with bullshit. William gladstone don't like Turks because we are powerfull, you dirty orthodox scum i see this for the second time. People like him hate us because of jealousy you know. I give a answer on you questions but you don't do the same.you live in a poor country bitchass,on internet talking don't help the armenian economy,nor the people who suffer famine in your country haha, armenian people are not humans to me, they are animals you know. ATATURK !
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras you answer my comments only by cursing at everyone who speaks the truth about your b.s. turkish government. apparently, everyone who speaks the truth about turkey only speaks it because they are jealous of turkey?
you're embarrassing yourself.
keep cursing. you're giving turks a worse name and doing NOTHING to me.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh you see everyone ? if you going to speak about that, than you live in dreams and your ideleogy, because only the haters and the country's (people) have jealousy they hates us. You have many country's who like Turkey, you see the truth ? only if they are not allowed to us is that out of jealousy and hatred. Thats the real truth. the war with the Armenians was for self-defense Turkey,
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras which NONTURKIC countries like turkey? talking without any foundation is so easy for fools like yourself. you give the other turks who have brains a bad name.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh We where at war with the west and then came the Armenians in the back to attack us what do you expect ? haha revenge afcourse ;) And we did 't well. I AM PROUD TO BE A TURK !
NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE !
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras being proud to be a turk and being proud to have committed a genocide are two completely different things. you, obviously, aren't smart enough to know the difference.
and don't talk to me in turkish because i know that if i speak my language of choice, you won't understand.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh you continue to speak about bullshit. Which Country's like Turkey ? All country that the Armenian genocide did not recognize. ( all most all country's in asia ) Only europe like you , see the difference asia is growth up with economy, and in europe they have economy problems.All armenians life with there own ideology, russia will help us blablabla,
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@nuneh The economy leaders off the world U.S.A - China don't recognize the armenian genocide. Only country's who hates us because, that Turkey going to have a big role in the world (because we ware a muslim country).
Russia give no fuck care for you people, armenia is one of the weakest country's on the world. My ex girlfriend is armenian, i fucked her every day, she same for armenia haha she sad always poor country and that shit therefor we life in Turkey.
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras you sound like a complete idiot. i'm glad your channel name has "istanbul" in it--- so people can tell where an idiot like you was produced.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh Your language sounds like shit. Stop speaking about shit and go life in the reallife, no country cares about the armenians. It will be soon that you gona speak turkish to, go and learn it for its to late. Armenia wil be Turkey, like north-cyprus ;) MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK ! LONG LIFE THE YOUNG TURKS ! KEEP NOT ONE ARMENIAN A LIFE !
istanbulultras 3 weeks ago
@istanbulultras no country cares about armenia? hahah where are you getting your facts from, turkoglu?
argentina, belgium, canada, chile, france, germany, greece, italy, lithuania, lebanon, netherlands, poland, russia, slovakia, sweden, switzerland, uruguay, vatican, venezuela, spain, australia.... etc
you are a joke.
nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh what facts? you are talking about few countries that I have often explained not want us to be strong economic, you dont have china or america in your list, but some poor countries suffering from economic crisis your friends hahah.
Whole Armenia is a joke ! Poor bitch country, go and crying for whats happend a century ago ;)
MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK !
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras
if i went down to your level, i would curse out all turks and blame all turks for the Armenian Genocide.
but that would make me as stupid as you, and that is not the case.
good luck with your pathetic life. keep lying to yourself. maybe one day, you will open your eyes like Hasan Cemal, Taner Akcam, Ragip Zarakolu, and many others and see that mistakes have been made, but lying about them does not make you better people. the opposite is true.
salam aleikum
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@nuneh and aleykum selam,
The people that you enumerates,are people who are just turk of Armenian descent. Thats the true,you must not try to explain whats happening a century ago, you remain in your position, and we in our ,that will never change. Its enough so, you are otherwise than the most armenians you speak respectful back to me.hah if someone ever told me that Armenians are respectful,I laughed in their face but your are respectful. Nice to meet you bro.But we have not the same opinion.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras i don't blame you for not knowing the truth about what happened. your government raised you and your parents to not know the truth about the Armenian Genocide for their political reasons. the rest of the world (including Turkeys ally, Germany, during the genocide & WW1 have written about the Armenian Genocide in their national archives as the events were taking place.
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@nuneh I understand you and the armenians who have there opinions. But we can not recognize it, we don't have proof. And if we have the proof we can also not recognize it ( The Turkish goverment ). Armenians have they story's and the Turks also. We heard from childhood that the Armenians killed Turks, burned villages killed childeren and womens. in wartime, when the army were in the west, came the armenians to conquer eastern Turkey. Thats what we thinking in Turkey.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras you government has the proof. so does Hasan Cemal, Taner Akcam, Ragip Zarakolu--- unfortunately, they are all either jailed, or threatened to keep quiet.
you do know that under Demad in the 1930s, turkey officially recognized the Armenian Genocide, right?
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras friend,this is not a matter of taking1position or another
either u know the truth about the Armenian Genocide or u know the false lies about it as orchestrated by the modern Turkish gov
If u ever have time,search&watch"Grandma's Tattoos"on youtube
There will never be peace in our region until everyone is allowed to learn&freely speak of the truth
&u can't realistically expect every Armenian to respect one who says the horrid suffering of their grandparents never took place
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@nuneh Oh you are a female haha, i'm sorry. I've seen on your page you're doing a lot. Whats your age ?
I told your I told you before I had an Armenian girlfriend, they were very nice(she and her family). They said the same thing about me. They also said you should forget what happened before is we live now. I agree with them. We must forget it, the armenian people suffer it, economically, Armenia is very weak with respect.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras But if this crime of gneocide happened to your grandparents, you wouldnt think the same thing "lets forget about the past". i'm not saying we should be enemies forever, but in order to ever truly achieve peace, the turkish government needs to stop lying to its people about its bloody history.
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@nuneh necessary I would sacrifice my life for my country. economy has certainly nothing to do with it afcourse. but the fact is "Armenian genocide" is a game from the west to Turkey thereby not allowing for the EU (where I am also heavily against). Many countries want us in the EU, but especially France and Germany do not want that, because Turkey with much mps(Members of parlement) would come to the EU and have more to say than the French and Germans.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@nuneh Thats the big deal, why they come with the "armenian genocide". It doesn't matter for the french people whats happening in armenia, Most Armenians where I talk about this subject that no one interested in whether Armenians have died, it is all about power in the west. we need to create end, we must forget the past and look ahead.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@nuneh Every Turk is nationalist. ( Taner akcam and his friends are not Turks, they have a armenian background but lives ( lived ) in Turkey. I always sad to my girlfriend sirumemkez, or sirun girl haha. ( If i type it right ), I go tomorrow to her haha if you have better words than what i told you say it to me to win better her heart, ( i go to her for dinner tomorrow oeefff haha her mother can verry good cook, Most food what we eat its like Turkish, Turkish - Armenian kitchen are the same ?
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
@istanbulultras and what does Armenia's economy have to do with the turkish government's crimes?
does a weaker economy mean you can break all laws and violate universal rights of life just because turkeys economy is stronger?
you do know that Armenias economy is partly the way it is because Turkey & Azerbaijan have an illegal blockade costing Armenia multi millions every year, right?
nuneh 2 weeks ago
@nuneh Not divided Turkey, north-east of our country not Armenia, south-east of our country not kurdistan, Also with western Turkey, ( NOT FRANCE, ENGLAND OR GREECE.) Our grandfathers ( the Turkish army) give there lives for this Turkey. World war 1, Turkey has war with almost the entire West, betrayed by the Arabs, Armenians attacked us also. Our grandfathers must defend our country.
istanbulultras 2 weeks ago
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@nuneh relax armenian pinocchio or you will have a stroke.learn to digest different opinions before you start your empty literature about victimizing your liar ancesstors.here you can see the book in this page " tall armenian tale.com/forgeries-fotos.htm ".your little brain is so perfectly programmed that you call anything you dont have any idea about a lie.you will call this page a lie too probably lol.write the adress with out space between pinocchio
Chaos3483 2 weeks ago
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nuneh 3 weeks ago
@nuneh Turks and Kurds are not by nature savages. I know this because i live amongst them and they are regular people just like you and I. I can't see how they could hurt a fly let alone kill/massacre humans indiscriminately. That is why it is easy for the govt to educate in a certain way. Most Turks/Kurds do not know what happened. It is what they hear. If it turned out the way you say, and Turks/kurds found out, they would be absolutely disgusted!
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 i get it... that's why they are so passionate about sticking to one side as opposed to listening to what the other side has to say.
i don't think anyone is born blood-thirsty... not the Turks & Kurds... not the Germans... not the Hutus. But unfortunately, some very big mistakes have been made.
nuneh 1 month ago
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@nuneh Continued the post from a kurd: . We are Kurds with one of the richest history and culture in the world. You're just jealous as the rest of the 50 million turks. Go back to Mongolia (end quote). Urartu is one of the peoples they claim descent from. They want credit for your kingdom too.
C0de46 1 month ago
How ironic....... sitting on Armenian land (Katrin Kaghak) while calling it "Erzurum" and instead of talking about what you did to the natives (Armenians) of that land, you're being told creative stories. Some things never change...
Pakistani's (Asians) also have R1A.
and even mt DNA j is thought to originate from Western Asia.
I don't know where you are going with that, but really... i don't care what you wish to classify yourself. It's nothing to me.
Good luck in life.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh You are programmed to put Turks in asia. I just wanted to get your opinion and I was not disappointed. You are hell-bent on making all Turks (including today's modern population) asian and not Anatolian. R1a is a Scythian haplotype that originated directly north of the Black Sea in roughly where the Ukraine is today. It is found frequently in Russians and other slavs. Kurds and armenians also are high in R. J is a near east/middle east haplotype. It is local. Good luck!
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 i knew where you were going with your totally off topic question and i responded appropriately.... you can call yourself whatever you'd like.... you can call yourself a turk (even though you are likely a mix of all the ethnic groups turks are messed with, just like 60% of modern turkey)... and you can call yourself a caucasian, or white, or european, or heck--- call yourself an indian for all i care.
the origin of TURKS isssssss ASIAN & mixing with nonasians does not make TURKS nonasian
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Interesting that what you were told about what happened in Erzurum is totally true and correct, but what I was told ( by individuals - not Turkish Government) is lies and fabrication. Even a video on your channel says that the Turkish/Muslim population at the time DID NOT APPROVE of what was happening and REFUSED to take orders. Yet you people make Turkish people out to be monsters. What about the Turks who saved armenians? Why not mention them? Because it goes against your aims.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 i am the 1st to say that a very few turks&kurds did not go along with what the majority was doing.... an even lower number of turks & kurds tried to rescue Armenians, but what else do u want me to do?
i have videos on my page about brave turks from today who are wise enough to teach the truth about the Armenian Genocide despite punishments. do you really think i think all turks are monsters? i have a poem on my page from a turk who spent most of his life in prison for speaking the truth
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Oh and another thing. Your "Red Sultan" Hamid, was armenian on his mother's side. Ouch! You told me earlier that armos don't kill each other. Armenians in the Byzantine Empire treated you guys the worst. There are muslim armenians in Turkey still today. I know plenty myself. They and the Kurdish gangs ripped you apart. But you guys are conditioned to make us far Asian, and monsters. Genetic testing proves Turks today are mainly locals. We are indigenous to Anatolia and near east.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 like i said... many pashas chose to marry beautiful Armenians.
do you really think Sultan Hamid was really Armenian? did he speak a word of Armenian? did he have a single Armenian comrad? i mean he had Armenian genes from his mother, but he was one of the worst criminals of Armenians.... he's the sole idiot responsible for the Hamidian massacres (1894).
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46 i'm glad you know of muslim Armenians within Turkey today. do you know when & why they originally converted?
during the Armenian genocide. I have Armenian friends today who still have a turkish last name. BOTH FOR ONE REASON: for protection
they had to hide their identity in order to avoid harassment (even after the genocide).
watch "Grandma's Tattoos" and listen to how the genocide survivors ended up with the crescent & star tattoos on their fingers & faces.
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46 YOU SAY: "Genetic testing proves Turks today are mainly locals. We are indigenous to Anatolia and near east."
AGAIN, turks of turkey TODAY may have DNA that resembles the natives of Anatolia (Armenians & Greeks) because they have often forcefully & sometimes with consent mixed with them. that makes those individuals NON-TURKIC.... but it does NOT mean that TURKS ARE NATIVES OF ANATOLIA.
i don't get why it's so difficult to admit & accept this simple concept.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I don't understand why it is so hard for armenians to speak anything highly of Turks and Turkey. If you have to, you choose to say "some" "few" "minor" etc. It's like you are giving birth when you say it. You people are obsessed with yourselves. When you talk of cradle of civilisation, i note you mention yourselves. What about Greeks, Egyptians, Jews, Sumerians, Babylonians? NOPE! Only armenians have ever walked this planet. Everyone good is armenian, everyone bad is not.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 i think YOU think so badly of turks that you assume that i feel the same way.
i told you once, and i'll say it again....
there are honorable turks, but because the majority of turks choose to lie about the Armenian Genocide & history in general, HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ME TO SPEAK HIGHLY OF THEM?
you want me to praise those who have savagely slaughtered my ancestors and currently occupy my homeland while calling it "turkey"?
i don't know what you expect.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh If I carry local genes, I am a local. You can call me mongol, asian, left-wing, right arm, cripple, whatever you like. I and most Turks (according to science) carry local genes. Therefore ancient anatolians are my ancestors. My DNA places me there. Your arguement that I don't belong there is shot. Anyway, I am sovereign there now and you are not. You can visit but that's it. 1000 years ago MY ancestors MAY have come from there, they MAY NOT. My country now.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 if you carry genes of the native Anatolians (aka you are not an ethnic turk, aka you are likely armenian or greek).... WHY WOULD I CALL YOU A MONGOL?
your country now and all i can do is visit?
and the comment you sent just before this was you asking me why people are unable to think highly of turks..... THAT IS WHY. you have no respect for morality... you have no respect for rules or laws.... if you can extend the borders of turkey, that is all that matters to you. truly disgusting!
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh There are plenty of Turks today that I personally know are armenian background. They have no reason not to change back if they wanted to. They choose not to. There are openly armenians in Turkey today. Nobody cares. You think we spend all day thinking of ways to hurt armenians? You think armenians enter our daily psych? You think you are important and central, we DO NOT. Erzurum has been Erzurum for hundreds of years. Not just recently.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 you've already hurt the Armenians enough.what else could u possibly do?
what is worse than uprooting an entire race via genocide?
do u know how many armenians who's ancestors once hid their identity in turkey for protection and now they are unable to even speak in Armenian.they tell me how ashamed they are and how sad they are that they were not able to uphold their ethnic ties and that they are proof that the ArmenianGenocide really does hurt my race to this day. yet u feel no remorse
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I don't mean to insult you. Even if armenians were living there today it would still be Turkey and not Armenia. It hasn't been armenia for 1000 years. It was the Ottoman Empire remember. Laws? You lost that land when we arrived and conquered it. Humanity knows that land as Turkey and before that as Ottoman Empire. Before that it was Byzantine Empire if I am not mistaken. There are armenians today who are Turks in everything they do. I have family friends like this. No probs.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 of course no problem for u...u seeing remaining Armenians in Turkey who talk, look, and act like Turks is just a sign that the Armenian Genocide did successfully affect those individuals.
why would u have a problem with that?
it seems u dont know how empires work. let me help yu: WHEN AN EMPIRE COLLAPSES, THE PARTICIPATING COUNTRIES ONCE AGAIN TAKE THEIR COUNTRIES&BORDERS BEFORE THE EMPIRE'S EXISTENCE.
but instead, what happened to Armenian land? ....a new country: "azerbaijan"&turkey
nuneh 1 month ago
@C0de46 erzurum has been erzurum for hundreds of years... yes.
BUT erzurum has been Katrin Kaghak for thousands of years and how it became "erzurum" is truly shameful and has left yet another stain on turkey's history.
if you are not ashamed by something of that nature, i don't know how i can classify you as a human being, let alone an honorable turk.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Do you understand what conquering means? Do you know that those lands were Ottoman Empire before Turkey and Byzantine before that? You may have lived there, but it wasn't YOURS. You lost it to a more powerful being. Are you as disgusted by how America became America? How Australia became Australia, How Sth America speaks spanish and portuguese? History shouldn't be judged by today's standards or everybody comes out looking harsh. What about what happened to blacks in Africa? Disgusted?
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 you know nothing about Armenian history. If you dont like reading, I suggest watching a film that should be coming out soon about Armenia during Byzantium called, "East of Byzantium"
also, because you fail to use the terms appropriately, how would YOU define the following terms?
1) genocide
2) conquer
3) war
4) massacre
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I am not preoccupied with armenian history like you are. I won't waste my time with a small insignificant people who are megalomaniacs. As long as you don't respect the borders between the two countries there won't be peace and nothing will be resolved. Turkey will not give you any land. You will need to fight for it. Prove it was genocide and then declare war. Or even just declare war without proving anything. You are infatuated with the word genocide. I am not. And No it wasn't
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 u turks are a matter of comedy.u were just asking why turks have gained a reputation of "genocidal monsters",& u just showed why
"Turks were,upon the whole,from the black day when they 1st entered Europe,the 1 great anti-human specimen of humanity.Wherever they went,a broad line of blood marked the track behind them,&as far as their dominion reached,civilization disappeared from view.They represented everywhere government by force, as opposed to government by law.”
-William Gladstone
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Typical armenian. Quotes something from a little man. Who cares what that dick thinks? Copy/paste me more anti-Turkish quotes. Why do you say "u Turks..."? You like to insult don't you? For you a reasonable Turk is one who agrees with you. Well I don't. Call me comedy, call me horror. I never asked you why we gained any reputation. I don't care about reputations. You do. You are obsessed with what people think. I don't need your love. That word is your infatuation.
C0de46 1 month ago
@nuneh When I said today's standards I didn't and never will mean "genocide". That word doesn't exist for me. I am not obsessed with it. I don't call everything genocide. You are the only people in the world that's had it hard. Poor armo. I means wars, conquering, annexing etc. In those days that's what people did. Since day one, man has invaded raped pilaged and plundered. It is not a Turkish thing. Look up other empires and what they did. NOT GENOCIDE. If it is, prove it!
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 right-- of course the word "genocide" doesnt exist for you. it reminds you too much of the fact that your ancestors committed the worst kind of crime, so you'd rather block out the word entirely.
you don't need to be obsessed with a word to understand why the damn word was made in the first place. Raphael Lemkin made the word with the Armenian Genocide specifically in mind..... funny how you turks claim no genocide occurred lol. pathetic, actually
youtube.com/watch?v=uCebMq-GmH4
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Continued. I was a strong empire up until the 1800's. I had plenty of time to wipe you out if that was what I wanted. Nobody was strong enough to tackle the dreaded Turk before that time. NOBODY. If I wanted, I had ample chance to FORCEFULLY change your language, religion, tradition etc. 900 years is plenty of time to accomplish this. You are too one-sided to recognise that I could have done what French and English did. They imposed their way. I didn't! I could have but didnt!
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 why would u wipe out the very people (Armenians & Jews) who brought in all the money to the empire?? (they were the businessmen) ARE U CRAZY? & do u think the world would have allowed Ottoman Turkey to get away with a genocide if they had not been preoccupied fighting in the World War?
PLEASE watch "grandma's tattoos" & tell me what you think. i really dont want to believe that turks are bad people. i genuinely think Hrant Dink was right in that you've been conditioned to think this way
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh If I wanted to, I could have wiped you out a long time ago. I had 1000 years to do it. You are tickling your own ego. You were a small minority. No matter how useful you were, time comes when people's use expires. You were known as a loyal hardworking people. You didn't remain that way. Jews? We took them in. Why wipe them out?
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 so do you think you turkey is always going to be powerful?
and you talk about "people's use" and it having to expire, like we must exterminate people as soon as we have learned & taken everything from them. you really sound like a thirsty barbarian merely looking for chaos.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh 900 years covers many many many generations. That is plenty of time to accomplish a slow assimilation program where you come out the other side as Turkish as i am. Why do you not criticise the English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch? Because you are not objective. They all conquered as we did but IMPOSED their way on the locals. Their language, religion, all were forcibly imposed. We left you alone. If you are armo today it's because we let you be. Think about it.
C0de46 1 month ago
@C0de46 attempted turkification has been attempted time & time again AND unfortunately, you have taken some Arrmenians.
take some time & learn about the Hamshen region's Armenians. Some still speak Armenian and know their roots. Some just know they're Armenian, but no longer speak Armenian because they were uprooted. & some don't even know they were originally of Armenian descent. They think they are just a group of turkic people.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I know about the hemshins. You think i am an uneducated Turk who spews out company lines. Former pri