Unusual 78 Victor "banded" 78 - Childrens record 78 RPM

[limon276]

I do not understand why Elizabeth Wheeler acoustically recorded a "banded" disc with and too short songs in a time (1911) in which there was no technology to record grooves between tracks. Cutting engineer for this disc had to work very hard to control the recording time of each track. It's incredible.

[amberola1b]

hee hee hee made you giggle when you said "cock" :)

[TEMPmichaelhansen]

0:28 kinda easy to find at my local used record store

[TEMPmichaelhansen]

i have

wish i could find mine

[fromthesidelines]

I can tell you that this particular disc was recorded on May 8, 1918. The "Rhythms For Children" disc, featuring the "Victor Orchestra", was recorded in December 1926.

[29def90]

very nice! i never saw one before either.

[victrolaman]

That is just so fascinating Raymond, great find. I have only found a few banded records like that over the years on old 78's, and you end up finding them for 50 cents each !! That Victor Bat wing goes all the way back to 1911 !! How neat is that?? Keeping finding that neat stuff, and sharing. Happy Collecting !!

Victrolaman

[RaymondTVinyl]

I was so lucky I think. I will definitely cherish them. Thank U so much for watching!

[ThisGuyFrritz]

I remember hearing songs like these on a Peter Pan book and record. Of course the recordings were much newer than on that old Victor record. The Victor records had a few songs I probably never heard before. I probably have at one time when I was a few years old on Peter Pan, Disneyland, Happy Time, or other such records.

[RaymondTVinyl]

How Cool you mention Happy Time records!!  My MOST favorite children's records label. What I've found so far is like psychedelic children's music. Reallly Groovey music!!

[desoto1961]

I love them !! So special !! Great find !!

[mrrk]

oh what fun

[ReverendWayne]

The "V" is the V in Victor *on the label*.. I was not clear about that, sorry! The 9 o'clock position, that's where the take number will be. You're right, the batwing label is 1914 and later, so earlier pressings of this record would have used the "patents" label.

[ReverendWayne]

What you've got here is an educational record, made for use in classrooms. The bands are there for the teacher to find a particular song. Cool item.

[RaymondTVinyl]

This makes sense but most schools wouldn't be able to afford these back then (my guess) These were quite expense back then. Let alone the victrolas. Curious.

[cartoonfan1920s]

This is fascinating, I read that in the early 1920s though, a lot of schools had radios to receive classical programs for music appreciation classes.

[ReverendWayne]

Take a look at the record, on the side you played. You'll find a number in the run-out area, to the left of the V in Victor. That's the take number. If it's 6, the recording date is 7/21/1911. If it's 7, then 5/8/1918 is correct. Standard practice at Victor was to use the same matrix number when a side was re-recorded at a later session, even years apart!

[RaymondTVinyl]

Alright...though there's no V, there is a 7 after the matrix number. So, this much be 1918. Makes sense...I didn't think the bat label went back to 1911. Thanks for the great info!!

[RCALennon]

Wow aren't those something... Very cool!

[althazarr]

Well, according to the Victor library, this one was recorded an 4/11/1911. She also recorded a part 2 on 4/28/1911 and hundreds of other titles on Victor. She had a few pseudonyms that she went by too, Jane Kenyon and Mrs. William Wheeler. She was born in 1875 and passed away in 1971.

[RaymondTVinyl]

Thank You Lloyd! Though recorded in 1911, would this have been released much later? Chompo thinks 1918 from what he could find. So Neat!!

[althazarr]

Very neat Raymond! I have a few of these Victors too. I'll see if I can dig them out. They are children's songs too, and another one I have has 3 different versions of "Dixie" on one side, and "Yankee Doodle Dandy" on the other. I will try to get some info. on yours my friend. :-) Thanks for sharing.

[JeffN727]

They look like something that would go along with a play or skit. Maybe the record could be paused between the tracks while the actors perform?

[CrisVangel]

LMFAO!! Ride a cock horse... OMG shut up! (Does that ever bring back memories!!)

[sideshowtink]

I have 2 of those Haunted House scholastics! lol. I love those tracked 78's how interesting. Very unusual version of Twinkle Twinkle little star!! I love that!!!! xo

[chompo7]

found this much anyway raymond

17004 ELIZABETH WHEELER MOTHER GOOSE MEDLEY #1 10166=7 - - 5/8/1918 ELLIOTT

[chompo7]

how cool is that? is it an import maybe?they are childrens

records huh? i am sure there is SOMETHING about them on a website somewhere.i never saw those either. hey is that emerson still just sitting there?

cant you hear it calling "raymond come fix me",hahah

[RaymondTVinyl]

Storm this weekend, Chompo. This should be the weekend to get inside the Emerson!!

[Vinylrecordsneverdie]

I've seen 78s with 2 song on each side which I have, but this is the 1st time seeing a banded 78s like that. Looks a lot like an early Lp.