Creationism VS Evolution Debate @ Christ Church in Yukon, OK Part 9

[Futureplanet]

All excellent evidence that shows evolution as true doesn't fit the creation model.

An arc!!!?? Why not a giant turtle creating the world on it's back. That's story has as much weight as an 800 year old man getting koalas from Australia that only eat ecualytpus trees from Australia, and Giant Panadas from China that only eat bamboo from China.

IT's LUNACY!!! Total 100% crazy time.

[pumpstations]

Likely red blood cells? Possible blood vessel? Presented as fact, Now that is science. If god created the heavens and the earth, how much time could AND account for while implying a very short period.

He has on his magic underwear doesn't he. the logic is bouncing right off.

[lovetoeatallthefood]

Holy shit it's the timecube.com guy?!?!?!?

[speedproductions797]

This guy needs to look up ERVs.

[gotnatas]

the creationist obfuscates very well

[cdog4100]

this is where the creationist guy gets slammed

his arguments really breaks down

[bass109]

i wish you can meet god. Its hard to make god do anything when he makes his own decisions. If i would show you i would, but believe me he is real! God is 110% real, you will meet him someday i promise that, but pray to lord and search for him with your heart. He will come to you for sure!

[99minerkc]

this God is a "he"? Where do you get that from AND to say this god is interactive? WOW! YOU HAVE 3 extraordinary claims so I assume you have extraordinary evidence supporting such claims, please be all means share it!!

[mijamz]

@99minerkc God is called Abba, meaning Father. A woman could not be a Father. He is interactive because He spoke to and through prophets directly. Go ask a Muslim who's converted to Christianity how they converted and why they converted.

[99minerkc]

I will if you go ask a christian who's converted to Islam the same thing! And, no, I do not buy into the crap that there's a wonderful personal god roaming here and their, to and fro checking in on his people and smiling as he flies buy those who suffer terribly!! You believe it if you need to in order to live but leave me out of your cult!

[mijamz]

@99minerkc I have actually asked a muslim convert. His name is Dr. Abraham Sarker. He was a Muslim who actually was in charge of giving the prayer call at the select prayer times 5 times a day. God doesn't over look people that are hurting. But He does give us free choice. Of which we must pay the consequences that come with each choice.

[99minerkc]

Here is where you make a BIG mistake! You say god gives us free choice "BUT" we must pay the consequences that come with each choice! That my friend clearly makes it NOT A free choice! You see something free means, "grant relief or an exemption from a rule or requirement" (Cont:)

[99minerkc]

The very fact that your god says live life without me and you will suffer eternal damnation is ANYTHING BUT FREE! He is clearly a sick dictator-worse than Stalin and Hitler put together easily!

[mijamz]

@99minerkc when you freely "choose" to get drunk, don't you know the consequences? God requests that we don't get drunk because there consequences of doing it. But He allows us to drink if we so choose. And sure enough, some people end up vomitting and getting sick when they knew ahead of time what would happen. God gives us commands, but we choose whether or not we follow them.

[99minerkc]

I don't drink! However, if I did drink and chose to get drunk to where I got sick it's NOTHING LIKE an eternal damnation!

Enough already with the LAME examples...lol they're laughable!

[mijamz]

all i'm saying is if you choose not to serve God and have a relationship with him, you choose the consequence that comes from that choice. Each descision made has a consequence. Be it good or bad consequence, they are out there. So all I'm saying is you've made your choice. Be prepared for the consequence. Whatever it may be.

[99minerkc]

I'll not worship any deity that allows calls for murder, rape, incest, slavery, etc. I can't stand to be near that type of evil, it makes me sick! I'm glad there's no evidence proving such a thing exists!

[mijamz]

Wow, neither would I. I would never serve a God like that. And I don't. I am sorry that you perceive God that way. Whomever has shown you that ought to be whipped. If you want to know what He's really like, all you have to do is ask Him. He'll tell you. Test Him.

[99minerkc]

All you have to do is read your bible and I mean really read your bible from front to back and don't cherry pick as 99% christians do and you will see your god fits the bill of being evil!

PS By you saying that someone ought to be whipped for showing me the truth TELLS ME WORLDS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM! I highly doubt you'll do the reading I suggest after reading your entire comment!

[ajlod934893]

@mijamz I'm sorry, I asked HIM but HE wasn't home (I don't see why God is a male figure...makes no sense). God if your real come comment this video and prove to me that you exist. I tempt God everyday and my life is going great. I guess HE doesn't exist.

[mijamz]

I have read the Bible front to back...REALLY. God said do NOT murder, God destroyed Sodom and Gahmorrah for their abominable acts of rape, incest, homosexuality, and adultry. God deliverd the Israelites out of slavery, etc. So to say He 'calls' for it is a tad presumptuous. I tell you what. I will re-read my Bible, and you can read it too. Come back to this point when you're done and we'll talk.

[pumpstations]

@mijamz I'm curious of your comments. You speak of gods word is not to murder and immediately speak of genocide. I have read the bible also please account for this: Deuteronomy 17:12, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 20:27, 2 Chronicles 15:12-13, Proverbs 20:20, Romans 1:24-32, Shall I continue? All of these verses ask for murder to be preformed. Then Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

[bass109]

support your church, god loves you

[rattrap3]

im gonna need some scientific proof here

[99minerkc]

Sorry, none available at this time, try back in a century or two! o.O

[VincitOmniaVerit]

WTF! I thought I already heard the stupidest creationist argument but this is too much. Splitting chromosone 2 yields the same human? If that is not retarted I don't know what is?

[cr9527]

Your debate style is not good for targetting a misinformed public.

Create somekind of a demonstration. Something that is easily seen to be strong evidence supporting one, not the other.

[StarSedition]

whats your source that the unmineralized bone was not dinosaur tissue? and how the hell does biofilm or even bacterial film get inside of a fossil....

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

The bone was mineralized. Dr. J conveniently neglects to point out that the bones were rehydrated in the process of removing the surrounding mineral components of the bone (Schweitzer et al. 2005). Also, it is not typically age which determines how well a bone will be preserved but, rather, factors. The strata in which the fossils were found we reliably dated by numerous isotopic dating methods, all of which are in agreement (Dalrymple 2000).

[realclearpolitics]

and you conveniently leave out the fact that bones cannot be rehydrate from a bacterial perspective aside from the processes of a living being.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

what are you talking about? "bacterial perspective"? You don't make sense.

[Tatarize]

Bacterial biofilm looky like blood != actual blood.

Seemed kind of very odd and it turns out looks were very odd, and wrong.

[TheWad1959]

Correct.  People who actually worked on this project have refuted what Dr. J is speaking out of his ass.

[Lewis5020]

Yah, sorry dude.  The unmineralized tissue in the dinosaur bones turned out to NOT be the dinosaur's. Plus, YOU don't get to decide that "likely blood cells" ARE blood cells simply because they LOOK that way to you! Jackass!

[rattrap3]

i was wondering where you found that out? ive been googling the heck out of the topic and i cant find an article saying it wasnt the rexs, i found an article that said the people who discovered it decided to not make it official that its the rexs, but if you have a particular article, can you help me find it? id appreciate it!

[StarSedition]

no, evolution is completely based on assumptions........

[snappingbear]

No, like any scientific theory it's based on *actual* evidence and rational, logical deduction. It's explanations are falsifiable unlike the fairy tales of creationists.

[tehinfidel]

I would love to know what the creotard next to the questioner said out of mic range around 4:25!

[rattrap3]

i keep listening at 4:25 but dont hear anything...what did it sound like?

[tehinfidel]

You can't hear anything, but I mean whatever the bald questioner asking the physics questions was responding to when he looked off camera and said "I'd love to have you come over and compare our levels of sin, if you can figure out some way of measuring them."

I'm sure it was just some lame "You're full of sin" bit of snark, but maybe it'd make FSTDT if it was hilarious enough :-)

[rattrap3]

if its at 4:34 then its joe in front of me, he was making fun of "dr." jackson the entire time

[netdragoon]

KT at 4000yrs? Quoi?

[inuyashaxx]

He criticizes evolution because it's partly based on some assumptions, and then he postulates all kinds of things based on his TOTAL assumption of creation. Is this guy totally whacked?

[snappingbear]

"Is this guy totally whacked? "

Pretty much.