FiveFingers after 4 month

[phantomdweller943]

Your gait looks much more natural now compared to your first video

[mrbeanskids01]

Just wanted some king of audio commentary on how u evolved after four months in the 5fingers. How you like or dislike them now. Maybe how u trained ur legs, knees n feet to jog in them.

[Seneca34M]

You are making hard, HARD contact with that treadmill. Lots of noise means lots of banging and hard contact on your feet. You should be lightly stepping and your weight should be getting caught by your extensors EHL and EDLs, like springs or shock absorbers.

[Melopeed]

@Seneca34M What are EHL and EDLs?

[Seneca34M]

@Melopeed Extensor Hallucis Longus and Extensor Digitorum Longus. The springing of the foot's arch along with the muscles in the foot act as a spring to push him forward.

[7kire]

@Seneca34M I guess the reason of the hard contact is the slow pace he's achieving, specially during the slowest speed (~165 spm [steps per minute]). After he speeds up the treadmill a little, reaching ~182 spm and then 190+ spm, things improve considerably. One should try to run 180+ spm to better use the elastic impulse of the foot and leg's tendons.

[joeldrapper]

LOL! Why would you use these on a treadmill? Don't want to cut your soft feet on those sharp rocks you find on there?

I think the vibram five fingers are great, but that's just stupid using them on a treadmill. Run bare instead on a treadmill. Or don't run on a treadmill and run for real. Treadmills just make you feel like you've done a lot when actually they don't require much effort at all.

[flareak]

@joeldrapper how are you supposed to videotape yourself running like he is now without a treadmill? i think he's doing it for the video sake.

[karimbo92]

@joeldrapper dude, very few gyms would let you run barefoot on their treadmills, youd have to clean the sweat off them before and after every use to keep them clean.

[burninmunkeys]

Some extremely well thought out criticism for you. You run EXTREMELY heavy. Hear that slapping sound when your feet hit the ground? That's wasted energy, that's extra stress, that's more damage to all of your organs in use. I advise you to do some Plyometrics. P90X has a good Plyo system, but if you don't want that, practice jumping and landing on your toes as quietly as possible, then do the same thing to your running. It will make everything nicer, and safer for you.

[earthmombooks]

Truly barefoot is great but my treadmill gets hot so the Vibrams are needed!

[327bran]

@thesocialrevolution its not that he's in pain its cause with shoes your basically running on your heels. On these your running on your toes and its actually much better for your hips and leg joints

[MDRstudi0s]

@327bran and not to mention back i have (had) a crooked spine (scolioses) they basicly told me i had no more options that i was going to have to have expensive back surgery and what not, i switched to vibrams kso's and in a month there was a great improvement

[Frenchorn100]

Nice

[blessedfay]

i have lost all my toes pff but thak God they are growing back hopefully before summer, i run alot minimum 7km a day, one day my shos fits the next day they are hurting, or the little toe is aching, the next day they are too loose pfff

but i love it, i will go the bear foot style, won't people think am crazy in the gym??

[TheSocialRevolution]

You look like your in pain.

[Jouwl]

It looks like you're walking?

[numerus]

@Jouwl That's a hell of a gate for someone walking.

[JoshuaDG2111]

i've had my KSO TREK for about 4 months and i found that my arches in my feet are much stronger and my feet dont hurt after standing on them all day anymore....due to the five fingers making my feet stronger!

[sawink]

Also it amazing the natural shock absorber the foot is. Watch a slo-mo video of someone running barefoot. Amazing!

[19bigsexyhair19]

i always had trouble running with runningshoes. i play soccer, and during conditioning, with my 14 oz. running shoes, my 2 mile time is around 14:00. which is kinda bad for me. but when i ran barefoot, i got 11:58 for my 2 mile. heavy running shoes transfer a lot of impact to your shins and front of ankles. but barefoot running channels most of the force to the calfs. so for me its more comfortable and natural to run barefoot. even for both sprinting and distance. just buildup the callouses.

[sawink]

Shorter and quicker gate after one year. And me I mention better attire

[sawink]

1:46 after 4 months. Long distance. How bout the pounding on your knees, ankles and feet that they don't mention. Especially in your case. Boom pound Boom

[supersoni126]

@sawink there is not much stress that comes from barefoot running especially if you know how to run properly..what causes pounding on ankles knees and feet is the mistake most runners make which is heel striking..which is when you land on your heel while running and not your forefoot..this locks your knee causing tremendous pressure leading from your feet all the way up your spine...learning to run by landing on your forefoot, you will become more efficient and painless compared to heelstrike

[sawink]

@supersoni126 Yes. I have learned this. I guess I am one of the few that never learned the heel strike. I have Asics Kinsei (however it is spelled) most recent shoe. Great shoe and the Bikila that I had recently purchased. I was unaware that I ran in a full shoe like a barefoot runner. Probably some compensation but almost none. The transition was quite easy with slight outside (not arch discomfort) Always calves and never knee or heel pain. Who knew? I have always loved to run barefoot.

[mike6459]

the vibram works core muscles in the foot and calves better than high tech running shoes...i do not even have to stretch before I run in them or after...and no pain!

[kmcmillan11]

what was the point of this video?

[TheRooster602]

@kmcmillan11 , he's demonstrating the improvement in his gait (that's my guess)

[TheApricotcloud]

VFFs = stress fractures.

Put some shoes on man.

[Jerthedrummer12]

@TheApricotcloud

what = stress fractures........ either crappy or worn out shoes

five fingers are basically your feet with a protective layer between them and the ground so you dont cut your feet, actually do some research before u make claims that these "shoes" are bad for you...

[PillowcaseHead]

@TheApricotcloud Really? How did a Roman centurion carry all his armor, shield and spear about, and fight in war, with nothing but sandals on?

[XReflection]

@TheApricotcloud So that means that before shoes were invented, everyone got stress fractures right? No. not really. We were born to run barefoot. Fivefingers just protect use from the dangers that modern society bring to the streets, i.e. broken glass, sharp objects etc... VFFs would probably prevent stress fractures IF USED CORRECTLY...i.e. you have to train your feet to run like this.

[spacerocket]

It's hard for most people to tell what the actual difference in this video is, but the difference is that after 4 months, he is landing better on the pad of his foot and much less on the heel. It's obvious that the shoes have helped the mechanics of his run, shifting it to a more natural stride.

[spacerocket]

@spacerocket Also, the reason why this is a good thing, is because there is less strain on the joints, allowing for easier access to muscles in your feet and legs that were otherwise almost atrophied from lack of use.

[cryptdweller66]

I've had knee problems most of my life when I walk or run with trainers my knees start to bother me in a short time .With these shoes however I have no problems ! and I actually feel my calf muscles working .

[Neolithika]

i dunno if i wanna spend 80 dollars on shoos though.... they look comfy... but i dunno, need more info and this vid didn't help at all.

[LarryDean6987]

I'd be curious - I see this is after four months - could you put in your description how you feel about the improvement compared to when you started - are you faster? significantly faster? Or just feel more natural? Or what all?

[Hossegorification]

This is not helpful, Thanks

[billiambarnett]

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[HuzpazA]

dood, yer doin it wrong................ =(

[supermelol]

@HuzpazA it is dude not dood

[malooch123]

@supermelol iz it?

[211HSM]

Had any achilles or calf issues wearing these vs your old running shoes?

[mrrrxxxxx]

4 months? Mine had it after 2 months or light use.. Vibram has serious quality control issues and it's a bit of a gamble - you may get a good pair or you may get a bad one

[polarkksalsa]

To all of the people posting about running form:

Have you read the book "Born to Run?" My sister recently purchased five finger shoes after reading it. I guess running in this "barefoot" style requires the running form to be a bit different.

I'm not sure if this video reflects the style (I've not read the book myself) but, I thought it may have something to do with this guy's form...

[mar504]

It forces you to land on the front of your foot... landing on your heel hurts (unless you are wearing shoes)

[AscottW]

I got a pair and wore them quite a few times. I just wish they made them look a little less obvious. I also wish they were a little more popular than they are. I wore them once to the grocery store (I'm the type of person who hates to make a scene when it's not necessary) and I got looks the whole time (wasn't a fan of that.)

[angelbe88]

The same thing happens to me when I'm at the grocery store buying tons of fruit. It's good to be different. Lead the way.

[BaronCreel]

@AscottW  It's weird to wear those things people call normal... you know... shoes

[hs41982]

@BaronCreel people dont get that, and wonder why they have lower extremity and lumbo-pelvic- hip postural distortions. or get messed up knees at 30.

[7kire]

Try not to cross your hands in front of your torso. Arms should go back and forth, parallel to your legs -- not across.

[officialbloodymayhem]

@7kire ditto

[thejoyofrob]

@7kire If you are actually a runner, you know everyone runs a bit differently due to their unique body type. I think it's silly to slap identical rules on everyone who runs. There is no "perfect" form in my opinion, and as long as his arms are moving he should be just fine - he's probably not trying to win the boston.

[7kire]

@thejoyofrob I was just trying to help him. Maybe he never noticed it before. If he feels that parallel arms don't work for him, I'm fine with that. But he should give it a try.

[supersoni126]

@7kire yes this is true...i still dont understand why or how it works but it does..before, i would cross my arms like that then someone told me to keep my arms parallel and i tried it and i could run for atleast 3 miles longer than usual...i was surprised..great tip

[ihaterobbie123]

@7kire People who run get better at it.

[105km]

@7kire

I think better advice would be: just do what comes naturally

running isnt figure-scating, where you need to learn how to do it. Everyone is born with the ability to run, you dont have to teach it.

[sevenkire]

@105km I disagree. I wouldn't correct someone who runs everyday for his whole life. She would've figured it out. But we are not natural runners anymore. And we've been taught wrong about running (heel striking).

If running is so natural, why do we have running coaches?

If technique comes naturally, why is Alberto Salazar changing his pupils running form?

peakperformance . runnersworld . com/2010/11/nov-11-whats-the-p­erfect-running-form-and-whos-g­ot-it.html

(remove the spaces around the dots)

[mark95427]

@sevenkire

what do you mean by natural? who do you mean by we?

lol...

sure most americans aren't natural anymore, with their fat and unhealthy lifestyles, but i'm sure "natural" exists everywhere, even in america.

i live in san diego with a 2:26 marathon btw. i'm pretty sure i'm a natural runner. my high school mile time pr was 4:12 (slow compared to others, i know.) in 9th grade i had a 4:49.

i'm certain i'm "natural". although, i was poor when i was a kid, and played basketball barefoot. :P

[Haasinator7]

@mark95427

He/She means that we aren't as "Natural" as we were 10,000 years ago when shoes were not even in the dreams of humans. We traveled over mountains, deserts, streams, glaciers, and any other geography term you can think of all with our own two feets. So I believe natural refers to being shoeless.

Hope this helped :)

[MutsuKazuma]

@Haasinator7 I am pretty sure 10 000 years ago no one was dumb enough to climb over glaciers

[burninmunkeys]

@sevenkire You weren't taught how to run incorrectly, you picked up a bad habit and just never knew about it. You can break any habit so long as you choose to.

We have coaches the same reasons we have fitness trainers. They've done the research, they know what works.

Because of the first thing I said.

I know, because I've personally cleared up the same bad habit.

[MutsuKazuma]

@7kire why not

[tietie1424]

@7kire actually I learned in the military that you are supposed to stay loose in running, looking kind of like a raptor but I guess all famous runners know that huh. 

[7kire]

@tietie1424 You should run loose alright, but in some controlled way. You should not waste energy wiggling all around.

[FiveFingersClub]

I love my vibrams

[nembhard600rr]

your first vid with shoes your heel slammed the treadmill now with the 5's on your heel is barely hitting the treadmill and your movement is fluid as if your swimming.

[Aldaria5]

Just read about a new pair of KSO's coming out called, KSO Trek Tex. Made for autumn and winter running.

[andrewthompson10]

You're making a little hop on each step, try relaxing your waist and letting it feel closer to the ground. This will help you take longer strides, and will help you push more on the back half of each step instead of pulling so much with the front half. And it will take less energy

[ktostenson]

The reason he's pushing more than pulling is because he's on a treadmill. There's no physical reason to push once teh foot hits the ground, so he's just bringing the next leg forward. What you're saying though would be excellent advice were he on a trail or track.

[sravisashi]

how do u feel liljerosso?

please let me know!

[THSheppard]

yea like some of these other guys are saying you do look more comfortable running in ur five fingers than months ago and ur form does looks a little bit forced. just relax and let your legs and body move naturally. i use the kso's and the sprints and will be ordering the flows when it starts getting colder and yea it hurts at first but thats bacause your using muscles that have almost never been used or just not used as much because of today's traditional running shoes and the way they are made

[JogaBonitofootball]

Yeah I run all the time in my sprints I mainly use them for parkour but they are great shoes I am buying some classics just for everyday wearing.

[morey000]

You definitely look more comfortable running in them than 4 months ago, but it still looks a bit off.

Just looking at all of those treadmills lined up at an inside gym says quite a bit about our society.

[TheFabFoo]

For me its just the fact that I do not like his style, it looks forced instead of looking natural, but thats just my way of looking at it.

[rocket881]

Probably because he's so upright. No lean at all.

[sleepx2]

atari you are getting f'ed. 85 american here bro.

[9000atari]

Fivefingers are crap, not necessary , made to making money.You have to spend 130 eur plus, just to walk naturally ?Oh Lord, go or run Barefoot that's it and don't support comercial money makers.

[Mixx1290]

And I love my Sprints. Yeah I can seey our point on just running barefoot but you can step on a rock, or glass etc. and hurt yourself. I do Parkour and running up a brickwall barefoot hurts. Fivefingers gives you the movement and freedom or no shoes BUT gives you more grip and protection so you can keep going. What is there to hate about these shoes? If you don't like them, don't buy them. Don't ruin it for everyone else though.Ohm find a hobby rather than posting the same thing on dif vids.....

[yotapact]

I'm thinking about getting these. parkour sounds like a cool idea with these.

[Mixx1290]

Oh yeah, makes you really focus on your landings. In some shoes, you don't ever know when you mess up cause they absorb the shock. Fivefingers dont do that. If you mess up, you feel it. Makes your feet alot stronger.

[yotapact]

I might try using rock climbing shoes, sine the soles of those are thin too, and they're less expensive. the 5 fingers are cooler, though. Also racing shoes made to be light weight have a thin sole.

[duba3988]

yeah but the vibrams you can use your toes.

[bmbullman]

@yotapact

Please don't. Rock climbing shoes are not meant for running due to their odd shaped toe cap and the fact that they are designed to be worn very tight. You might hurt your feet.

[cinemadelica]

I have a pair, and although I think just running totally barefoot is a good idea, too, it's not always the most feasible solution. The trails in my area are rocky and hot. I was just in a place with broken glass bits everywhere. The Fivefingers are a compromise. Vibram is a boutique company, and it's never going to conquer the world a la Nike. If you don't like them, fine. But many people find them helpful--no need for such disrespect.

[BallentineChen]

@cinemadelica This has probably already been pointed out, but Vibram is not a boutique company. A quick wiki search reveals that they are a supplier to over 1,000 footwear manufacturers - from Nike, to Prada, Alden and many more.

[happyman0972]

Im with u

[boulderboy1]

you can tell your form has improved over the months.