Really good ideas for finding niche and microniche markets...on my second time around...like watching the movie, "The Usual Suspects"...everything makes more sense when you watch it a second time...
@editingnetau - I disagree. Bring on the scepticism - faith is for the gullible! clray123's comments maybe a bit negatively framed, but they aren't putting me off from following the challenge, but instead are helpfully thought provoking, cautioning me to put things in perspective. All but abusive comments should be welcomed, thanks :)
@clray123 'it becomes increasingly tough to be an expert in any domain' That doesnt just apply to IM, it applies to everything else in life. Sure, there may b a lot ppl losing $ in IM,but there are also ppl wanting to be a doc/lawyer/engineer prof only to do badly at their last stage and lose their time and money. As for quackery, it depends on your definition of quackery. Hell, some ppl think Apple and Nike are also 'quackery' since they sell similar products that cost 10fold of their cost!
'In real life you spend several years studying to get access into a profession and then work in an environment of similar people for another several years to gain expertise in a narrow area before you claim to have anything to say. '
Thats precisely the reason why many delve into IM, cos they wont have to spend like what? a few ten thousand for a degree, 20 years of their life before they starting earning any money? The industrial age is long over ago, my friend.Its the information age now.
@kakaboo Precisely because we are in the information age it becomes increasingly tough to be an expert in any domain. However, you can still pretend... and some other unqualified people may believe you, for a while. I suspect that's what IM is about. In the pre-information age it used to be called "quackery".
@ciray123 - if you have such a well-paid full-time job, I suggest you get on with doing it and stop wasting your oh-so-valuable time commenting on youtube, and leave us challengers who actually want to get something out of this and have faith in the program to spend our time more productively than reading your negative, pointless comments.
@editingnetau Thank you for your care, but I enjoy watching this show. I find it intriguing how the presenters behave, what kind of vocabulary and voice they use, how you folks react to criticism etc. These observations are my real benefit from this "challenge", not following instructions to build a web site which sells socks.
To sum up, I wanted to point out that the profitable niches exist on the Internet. However, I think it's an illusion that you will be able to discover, enter and "conquer" such a niche as an outsider without resources either in form of good financial backing (to hire qualified staff) or bringing your own hard-earned expertise to the table.
Yes there are many profitable niches on the internet. Just because you know nothing about it does not prevent you from working with someone who does.
There are many offline experts who are only too happy to team up with a marketer to expand their business.
Sure if you want to make millions then you will need resources, but there are plenty of one man bands earning well into six figures a year, and many of them credit what they learned in the challenge as the reason.
@OldNickBarton At last one semi-reasonable reply! I agree abot the teaming up aspect. Still, I doubt about the one-man-band earning potential and view it more as 99.9% fail (silently) a maybe 0.01% succeeds and brags (loudly). A pyramid scheme in the how-to-get-rich niche. It's not a completly obvious one (if it were obvious and effortless for the initiators, people would not participate; being a quack requires work, too).
I personally know three people who are making seven figures a year, (in UK money) and are 1man bands.
That's not to say they don't outsource aspects of their business, they do. I also know several other people earning around the £50k mark and only working 10-15 hrs a week.
I scrape a living from the net, thanks to what I learned from the challenge 3 years ago . I share my kids with my ex, and couldn't have found a job that gave me that freedom. Don't be so sceptical.
@clray123 Well that sort of thinking won't get you very far in the Challenge. Maybe you should chat with some of the alumni that moderate the Challenge forums instead of making assumptions.
The intent of The Challenge is to HELP those that want to help themselves. Negative input should be discarded and take only what is going to help you. Be positive in your approach to your training and your business. There is some valuable information in these videos for newbies and also for experienced marketers.
Good Luck in your Internet Marketing business, and success to you all.
Wake up clray123, do you see anyone trying to pretend they are doctors or pilots, everyone can recommend video games or things they like something about, and that's what it's all about.
Not to pretend to something you're not, I don't know where you that from.
@knector77 Well, if the "niches" are limited to what "everyday" people can come up with, then you have another problem - mass competition because there is a lot of everyday people (content authors) without any qualifications on the Internet.
I can see clray123's point. However, if you are savvy you can probably retail to an unfamiliar niche and wing it when you receive your first technical enquiries!
I've been looking at starting up a business, but after market research I became disheartened as my initial business concepts turned out to have a lot of competition.
Not being particularly savvy, I'm now going to follow the advice but only to explore niches in and around my areas of expertise (in both my career and hobbies).
@NI553N I think that if you are a savvy businessman, you should look to hire specialists to learn about and "work" your particular target market. However, even savvy businessmen need some preliminary knowledge of the target, otherwise they are easy prey to poor quality subcontractors.
Maybe it will come in later videos, but so far, it seems to be heading the wrong DIY, earn $1, buy our products route.
Speak to anyone who has done the challenge before and you will find that what you get is cutting edge training, the opportunity to try top software that will make the job easier and all for free.
The techniques taught here generally appear in the open market place a few months later.
You say you have a full time well paid job. What would happen if for some reason you had to give it up?
What have you got to fall back on?
You never know what life will bring. It's as well to be prepared.
@OldNickBarton I did the challenge last year and it really was my introduction to IM and now I have a coach/mentor and he is amazed at the amount of good material I learnt. It is certainly helped me progress faster and I had to come back this year to see how much I have improved
@OldNickBarton What do you mean with appearg in "open marketplace" a few months later? When presented here to anyone who wants to watch, they are already open.
I agree with you that it's good to be prepared for emergencies, the question is what road we take and whether we are not exploited in the process by others looking to off-load risks on the gullible. To exaggerate it a bit, consider why Mr. Dale is not just using this wonderful software, but instead selling it to people (indirectly).
Wow clray123, if you don't like this program maybe you shouldn't be following along. Personally, most of the people I know who are starting TDC this year, and who did it in the past, used things they already have an expertise in. You STILL need to do keyword research before just delving in though.
And that professional can compete all he wants, but if he doesn't have any keyword knowledge or someone doing the SEO for him, then what's he going to get in the rankings? nada.
Well, in this video you can see what's fundamentally wrong with the so-called business of Internet marketing. In real life you spend several years studying to get access into a profession and then work in an environment of similar people for another several years to gain expertise in a narrow area before you claim to have anything to say. In the brave new world of Internet marketing some magic thinking, primitive keyword research and collecting scraps is supposed to be a good-enough substitute.
Do you want to be a medical doctor, a flight engineer or a used car salesman today? Hmm.. Scrape some keywords and then you can PRETEND to be either of them. That is, until a REAL medical doctor, flight engineer or salesman decides to start a competing site with REAL content.
A better advice would be to consider (or expand) your expertise and connections first. Alas, the target audience is likely to lack both and too lazy/poor to invest, so that would not be a welcome suggestion.
Nice video Brent. The key to find a niche always ends in phrase keyword with acceptable searches per day and very low competition. I'm deep into this challenge. Gr8 work guys...keep it up
I have a very strong feeling to success in this year. Because after I'm hearing this advices second time (1-st was in 2009 30DC), I'm really go and understand what I'm doing.
Really good ideas for finding niche and microniche markets...on my second time around...like watching the movie, "The Usual Suspects"...everything makes more sense when you watch it a second time...
bobbyanderson101 1 year ago
Great content and some great ideas for finding those all important niche's
Thank you for all your help
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666GordonB 1 year ago
Jeeeze! You guys rock
dashyuk 1 year ago
Thanks for showing me step by step on how to find a niche.
5ideas 1 year ago
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mcclurecentral 1 year ago
@editingnetau - I disagree. Bring on the scepticism - faith is for the gullible! clray123's comments maybe a bit negatively framed, but they aren't putting me off from following the challenge, but instead are helpfully thought provoking, cautioning me to put things in perspective. All but abusive comments should be welcomed, thanks :)
NI553N 1 year ago
@clray123 'it becomes increasingly tough to be an expert in any domain' That doesnt just apply to IM, it applies to everything else in life. Sure, there may b a lot ppl losing $ in IM,but there are also ppl wanting to be a doc/lawyer/engineer prof only to do badly at their last stage and lose their time and money. As for quackery, it depends on your definition of quackery. Hell, some ppl think Apple and Nike are also 'quackery' since they sell similar products that cost 10fold of their cost!
kakaboo 1 year ago
'In real life you spend several years studying to get access into a profession and then work in an environment of similar people for another several years to gain expertise in a narrow area before you claim to have anything to say. '
Thats precisely the reason why many delve into IM, cos they wont have to spend like what? a few ten thousand for a degree, 20 years of their life before they starting earning any money? The industrial age is long over ago, my friend.Its the information age now.
kakaboo 1 year ago
@kakaboo Precisely because we are in the information age it becomes increasingly tough to be an expert in any domain. However, you can still pretend... and some other unqualified people may believe you, for a while. I suspect that's what IM is about. In the pre-information age it used to be called "quackery".
clray123 1 year ago
@ciray123 - if you have such a well-paid full-time job, I suggest you get on with doing it and stop wasting your oh-so-valuable time commenting on youtube, and leave us challengers who actually want to get something out of this and have faith in the program to spend our time more productively than reading your negative, pointless comments.
editingnetau 1 year ago
@editingnetau Thank you for your care, but I enjoy watching this show. I find it intriguing how the presenters behave, what kind of vocabulary and voice they use, how you folks react to criticism etc. These observations are my real benefit from this "challenge", not following instructions to build a web site which sells socks.
clray123 1 year ago
Theres some great ideas for searching out a niche here.
1webfan 1 year ago
To sum up, I wanted to point out that the profitable niches exist on the Internet. However, I think it's an illusion that you will be able to discover, enter and "conquer" such a niche as an outsider without resources either in form of good financial backing (to hire qualified staff) or bringing your own hard-earned expertise to the table.
clray123 1 year ago
@clray123,
Yes there are many profitable niches on the internet. Just because you know nothing about it does not prevent you from working with someone who does.
There are many offline experts who are only too happy to team up with a marketer to expand their business.
Sure if you want to make millions then you will need resources, but there are plenty of one man bands earning well into six figures a year, and many of them credit what they learned in the challenge as the reason.
Open your mind!
OldNickBarton 1 year ago
@OldNickBarton At last one semi-reasonable reply! I agree abot the teaming up aspect. Still, I doubt about the one-man-band earning potential and view it more as 99.9% fail (silently) a maybe 0.01% succeeds and brags (loudly). A pyramid scheme in the how-to-get-rich niche. It's not a completly obvious one (if it were obvious and effortless for the initiators, people would not participate; being a quack requires work, too).
clray123 1 year ago
@clray123
I personally know three people who are making seven figures a year, (in UK money) and are 1man bands.
That's not to say they don't outsource aspects of their business, they do. I also know several other people earning around the £50k mark and only working 10-15 hrs a week.
I scrape a living from the net, thanks to what I learned from the challenge 3 years ago . I share my kids with my ex, and couldn't have found a job that gave me that freedom. Don't be so sceptical.
OldNickBarton 1 year ago
@clray123 Well that sort of thinking won't get you very far in the Challenge. Maybe you should chat with some of the alumni that moderate the Challenge forums instead of making assumptions.
LisCarpenter 1 year ago
Thank you for explaining this clearly
HarmonyTarot 1 year ago
The intent of The Challenge is to HELP those that want to help themselves. Negative input should be discarded and take only what is going to help you. Be positive in your approach to your training and your business. There is some valuable information in these videos for newbies and also for experienced marketers.
Good Luck in your Internet Marketing business, and success to you all.
seneiafeta 1 year ago
This video has helped tremendously ...Thanks
oryan1958 1 year ago
Wake up clray123, do you see anyone trying to pretend they are doctors or pilots, everyone can recommend video games or things they like something about, and that's what it's all about.
Not to pretend to something you're not, I don't know where you that from.
knector77 1 year ago 2
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knector77 1 year ago
@knector77 Well, if the "niches" are limited to what "everyday" people can come up with, then you have another problem - mass competition because there is a lot of everyday people (content authors) without any qualifications on the Internet.
clray123 1 year ago
@clray123 So you need to write about something not many know about to avoid competition, but then there may not be a market, bad argument.
knector77 1 year ago
I can see clray123's point. However, if you are savvy you can probably retail to an unfamiliar niche and wing it when you receive your first technical enquiries!
I've been looking at starting up a business, but after market research I became disheartened as my initial business concepts turned out to have a lot of competition.
Not being particularly savvy, I'm now going to follow the advice but only to explore niches in and around my areas of expertise (in both my career and hobbies).
NI553N 1 year ago
@NI553N I think that if you are a savvy businessman, you should look to hire specialists to learn about and "work" your particular target market. However, even savvy businessmen need some preliminary knowledge of the target, otherwise they are easy prey to poor quality subcontractors.
Maybe it will come in later videos, but so far, it seems to be heading the wrong DIY, earn $1, buy our products route.
clray123 1 year ago
@clray123
Speak to anyone who has done the challenge before and you will find that what you get is cutting edge training, the opportunity to try top software that will make the job easier and all for free.
The techniques taught here generally appear in the open market place a few months later.
You say you have a full time well paid job. What would happen if for some reason you had to give it up?
What have you got to fall back on?
You never know what life will bring. It's as well to be prepared.
OldNickBarton 1 year ago
@OldNickBarton I did the challenge last year and it really was my introduction to IM and now I have a coach/mentor and he is amazed at the amount of good material I learnt. It is certainly helped me progress faster and I had to come back this year to see how much I have improved
abettalife 1 year ago
@abettalife
I've followed the challenge every year, and every year what I learn helps me increase my income or reduce my workload.
I know several people who have paid thousands of dollars for courses, only to find that they get less than you get from the Challenge for nothing.
Anyone who takes it seriously will make money, maybe not from the first attempt, if they go on applying what they are taught.
Yes, they do have things to sell you, but only when you are ready to buy them.
OldNickBarton 1 year ago
@OldNickBarton What do you mean with appearg in "open marketplace" a few months later? When presented here to anyone who wants to watch, they are already open.
I agree with you that it's good to be prepared for emergencies, the question is what road we take and whether we are not exploited in the process by others looking to off-load risks on the gullible. To exaggerate it a bit, consider why Mr. Dale is not just using this wonderful software, but instead selling it to people (indirectly).
clray123 1 year ago
Wow clray123, if you don't like this program maybe you shouldn't be following along. Personally, most of the people I know who are starting TDC this year, and who did it in the past, used things they already have an expertise in. You STILL need to do keyword research before just delving in though.
And that professional can compete all he wants, but if he doesn't have any keyword knowledge or someone doing the SEO for him, then what's he going to get in the rankings? nada.
prettyevil6662000 1 year ago
@prettyevil6662000
Clray123 would do well to market the negative aspects. Clray123 seems to be proficient in that area.
FRANKLOOSER 1 year ago
@prettyevil6662000 I'm not following along, just watching with mild interest. I have a well-paid full-time job (self-employed, not in marketing).
clray123 1 year ago
Well, in this video you can see what's fundamentally wrong with the so-called business of Internet marketing. In real life you spend several years studying to get access into a profession and then work in an environment of similar people for another several years to gain expertise in a narrow area before you claim to have anything to say. In the brave new world of Internet marketing some magic thinking, primitive keyword research and collecting scraps is supposed to be a good-enough substitute.
clray123 1 year ago
Do you want to be a medical doctor, a flight engineer or a used car salesman today? Hmm.. Scrape some keywords and then you can PRETEND to be either of them. That is, until a REAL medical doctor, flight engineer or salesman decides to start a competing site with REAL content.
A better advice would be to consider (or expand) your expertise and connections first. Alas, the target audience is likely to lack both and too lazy/poor to invest, so that would not be a welcome suggestion.
clray123 1 year ago
@clray123
Mind is creative, and conditions, environment and all experiences in life are the result of our habitual or predominant mental attitude.
FRANKLOOSER 1 year ago
@FRANKLOOSER Yada yada, seems that you have read one too many of those self-help books.
clray123 1 year ago
@clray123
Perhaps you should read one of those self help books, it might surprise you.
Think and Grow Rich is a good start.
OldNickBarton 1 year ago
Nice video Brent. The key to find a niche always ends in phrase keyword with acceptable searches per day and very low competition. I'm deep into this challenge. Gr8 work guys...keep it up
vinnyjadge 1 year ago
I have a very strong feeling to success in this year. Because after I'm hearing this advices second time (1-st was in 2009 30DC), I'm really go and understand what I'm doing.
VitalyMakarkin 1 year ago
Love the new format. Much easier to keep up with a shorter session.
bdh1776 1 year ago