@rkt739 The tune, the basic arrangement and the words are all 19th century North American as far as I can see. According to David Warren Steel, a leading shapenote scholar, the first two verses are by Richard McNemar and were first published in 1813, while the tune is indeed based on a Shaker melody, being "composed out of an old theme" by the Canadian W E Chute in the 1870s. If anyone has actual evidence for an English origin, I for one would love to see it.
All due respect to Steve Roud, but the idea of this song being "collected" in 1941, when it had been in print, with authors credited, for a century or more, made me giggle. Anyway, I'm off to collect a Haydn folksong arrangement.
No, that's Dave Brady. Royston Wood was in the band between 1973 and 1976, but when this was made I think it was the classic line up of Dave, Heather and Jim Boyes.
Great-sounding group! We sing this song from The Sacred Harp over here. Our words say 'Through our Shiloh's wide dominion' (Not 'England's) and I believe these singers also say 'Shiloh.' I'm attaching a Sacred Harp rendition, which perhaps you will allow to be posted here. If not - that's OK too.
fantastic to hear this again after all these years.
a pox on the king! soldiers rights!
from an old sealed knotter. cheers
leonn54 1 month ago
There has never been a group since, to even get near to how good these where! Magnificent
constantsqueezer 6 months ago
Where do the lyrics you give come from, given that they're not the ones on the recording? And what's the evidence for a 17th-century source?
Flipdrivel 7 months ago
@Flipdrivel My investigations indicate a 19th-century American source. See this entry in the Roud Folk Song Catalogue: bit DOT ly SLASH wjfLp1
The Roud number in that record matches up with the one given in this track listing of Swan Arcade songs: bit DOT ly SLASH xvwfAb
rkt739 3 weeks ago
@rkt739 The tune, the basic arrangement and the words are all 19th century North American as far as I can see. According to David Warren Steel, a leading shapenote scholar, the first two verses are by Richard McNemar and were first published in 1813, while the tune is indeed based on a Shaker melody, being "composed out of an old theme" by the Canadian W E Chute in the 1870s. If anyone has actual evidence for an English origin, I for one would love to see it.
Flipdrivel 3 weeks ago
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All due respect to Steve Roud, but the idea of this song being "collected" in 1941, when it had been in print, with authors credited, for a century or more, made me giggle. Anyway, I'm off to collect a Haydn folksong arrangement.
Flipdrivel 3 weeks ago
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Flipdrivel 3 weeks ago
Filth. Wonderful, wonderful filth...
PashaDragutReis 7 months ago
I remember hearing the lads of the Sealed Knot singing this at the aftermath of a re-enactment we took part in in Yorkshire.
BroodofLoki 10 months ago
No, that's Dave Brady. Royston Wood was in the band between 1973 and 1976, but when this was made I think it was the classic line up of Dave, Heather and Jim Boyes.
LabanTall 1 year ago
Is the really nasal guy, the first guy who goes "BAAAAAAAA" like a Belamy sheep, is he Royston Wood, or is that the other guy?
johnnyrafter 1 year ago
fuckin rock it
bassistdave109 1 year ago
Great-sounding group! We sing this song from The Sacred Harp over here. Our words say 'Through our Shiloh's wide dominion' (Not 'England's) and I believe these singers also say 'Shiloh.' I'm attaching a Sacred Harp rendition, which perhaps you will allow to be posted here. If not - that's OK too.
Thanks for posting this great song!
PLBrayfield 1 year ago
Thanks, one of my fav songs
1RPB1 1 year ago
Quality, absolute quality!
chrishall57 1 year ago
these folks are really superb!
stefanakisguitar 1 year ago
This is absolutely wonderful! Thankyou so much for posting. More than holds it's own against The Watersons and The Young Tradition
Bobbo293 1 year ago
Superb.
icebear1946 1 year ago