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The scientific community is not the big bad arrogant prick some people make it out to be. I mean, they went wild over a theory developed by a surfer living in his van. Why? Because it was real science. Almost everywhere I see Nassim's paper, it is reviewed as nothing special at best. I can forgive the guy for creating a physics theory that doesnt quite work. But he lost me in this lecture. Comets the size of Jupiter and aliens traveling through black holes.. Really? How is that science?
@dbfan2scfan Do you understand the scientific method? The science you reject as ignorant has made advancements that none of our ancestors could ever dream of. You may be able to find "wisdom" in ancient texts but as far as science goes its nothing compared to the system of exchange we have today that allows us to communicate ideas and innovate like never before. Science today holds a wealth of fascinating theories and facts based on experiments and real life data. Nassim just tells stories.
You have utterly no idea what you're talking about. You see humans as having evolved from apes 250k years ago, I see humans as having been here for millions of years, atlantis as more than just a story, and flying saucers as more than just imaginary.
We're comming from two completely different perspectives here. You have no idea how much more advanced humans in the past were than we are today.
Hara is giving you a "wealth" of evidence that you're simply ignoring. Try the pyramids
@dbfan2scfan When it comes to science like this, there are only facts. No two ways about it.
Don't assume things about me. I've studied and even bought into these theories and have learned its mostly pseudoscientific fluff being used to promote one's own "new age" world view. Its like religion, not science at all.
Don't underestimate humans either. Yes there are mysteries about the ancient world, but that doesn't mean we were flying around in space ships when the pyramids were being built.
Trust me, science is more of a religion than you would believe. I base most of my stuff off of the Law of One books, Edgar Cayce material, Walter Russell Material, and Edward Leedskalnins writings. There are so many other reputable sources though, a lot of what Hara is saying I had already heard from respectable sources.
If you want evidence about the alien topics you can look at the disclosure project here on youtube, lots of pilots, public officials, etc giving testimonies.
@dbfan2scfan You seem to not be paying attention. I've played in all of this stuff you're talking about. I bought into it at one point and learned as much as I could about it. I'll say it once more, its mostly belief (religion). Beliefs are fine, but people like Nassim stretch the truth and abuse science in order to promote their own beliefs. Almost everything in this talk is not supported by any fact, regardless of how many seers and self-proclaimed psychics like Edgar Cayce agree with him.
@dbfan2scfan Look, you can believe whatever you want, but don't push it on other people as if it is scientific fact. Science is a process of finding truth in nature. Religion deals with belief and science with fact. You may find some scientists stuck in belief, but there are many more who acknowledge reality. They are the community that researches, experiments, and asks question in an ernest pursuit of truth. There is a reason all of this stuff isn't accepted by science. It simply isn't fact.
I don't agree that Hara is stretching the truth, I think he's presenting what he believes to be evidence of his theories. Above I was presenting other sources that drew similar conclusions to Hara's to show that Hara was not the first to come up with them.
It's really not easy to call something fact or fiction based on whether or not the majority accepts it. There are many examples throughout history showing the majority opinion shifting to what was previously the minority opinion.
@dbfan2scfan Comets the size of Jupiter? Quantum physics is bunk? Black holes in atomic nuclei? He is telling these things to people who think he is giving them truth. You really think this stuff has any evidence to support it? It doesn't. He is spreading junk science to the public, along with many others who agree with him, in order to support his own view of what the world should be.
Every paradigm shift comes with groundbreaking science. None exists to support Nassim's claims.
Err no, Hara is presenting theories to you, then he's showing you evidence that he believes supports his theories.
The comet was reported to be huge at the time. I think later they found out is was much smaller. He told you why there was a problem with quantum physics in the video, it ignores causation. The black hole theory is what he's presenting to you.
No, the shift comes when enough minds break free of political agendas.
@dbfan2scfan Again, this is junk science, not evidence. The comet was never reported to be huge, that was a jump to conclusions by a small group of uninformed people. Quantum physics has never been wrong in any of its predictions and its phenomena have been well established, calling it bunk just shows a lack of understanding. His theories have no experimental evidence or scientific merit to them at all. Try finding his name or papers in any scientific journal, there is a reason why you can't.
@dbfan2scfan Yes, a few people who have no idea what they are talking about, not people who reported it. Assuming it was twice the size of Jupiter is bad science. Please read what I write...
The higgs boson is a prediction for a unified field theory, not a principle necessary for quantum theory.
Do you even understand QM?
Im giving you every reason why this man is not giving us scientifically sound theories. I watched the videos and did follow-up research, none of this "evidence" is valid.
the pyramids. My second point was that in the videos Hara is presenting to you what he believes is evidence of his theories. If you say what he's giving you is not evidence in your opinion then obviously he will have nothing to back up his claims.
back to the off topic discussion... Even though QM is way beyond me, I can still identify a fundamental problem with it, that is that it's not unified with the physics of the large.
@dbfan2scfan Evidence is either there or it is not. Nassim makes many assumptions and then, with no evidence, jumps to the conclusion of mysterious technology or aliens when there is a perfectly reasonable explanation that is supported by a myriad of evidence discovered by egyptologists, archaeologists, engineers, etc. Nassim is not a scientist. He is entitled to his own opinions, its just not fact and if he is presenting it as fact, its a lie.
@dbfan2scfan You don't understand QM and you don't understand science. There is no fundamental problem with QM, look at Aaron O'connell's experiments with superpositions. He has a talk on youtube.
Science deals with facts, not opinions. If it is his opinion that ancients had that kind of technology, then he may as well be teaching creationism. Occam's razor, my friend. The explanation that is supported by more evidence and requires the least assumptions is most likely the truth.
Hara is not the one who came up with most of these theories. I'm actually not talking about him at all here. There are many many books written by architects, archeologists, engineers, etc which explain how it would have been absurd to think that ppl w/ stone tools could have built the pyramids.
The technology they used to build them was years ahead of what we have today, hence we are not able to replicate them.
@dbfan2scfan My original comment was about him presenting unscientific material. The fact that this information is unscientific does not change with the presenter/author. You're probably talking about people like Christopher Dunn. Interesting theory on why the pyramids were built, but the evidence presented there doesn't point to anything like aliens or technology more advanced than ours. It just shows how much we underestimate the innovativeness of our ancestors.
@dbfan2scfan What he says about causation is a common misconception about the Uncertainty Principle. I can't sit here and explain Quantum Mechanics to you, you can and should research that yourself if you're taking any of this seriously, but I can tell you that physicists all over the world have been performing experiments for decades, however mind-boggling they may be, that confirm Quantum Theory.
@dbfan2scfan This whole theory is based on the unsupported assumption that our ancestors could not have been smart enough to do this on their own. Most experts who devote their lives to figuring out the pyramids find things like that flat-out insulting. Try Joseph Davidovits's book for an example of a simple explanation. There are many more papers and books on top of that, all supported by evidence. You're assuming ignorance of hard-working experts and substituting your own uneducated answers.
Actually I just took a course on African History so I do know the accepted story. The people giving the other half of the story aren't just making things up or making assumptions (Ignore Hara). There is also hard evidence that machines, not stone tools, were used in their construction.
Just as there are many papers by experts claiming the accepted story, there are also many papers by Egyptologists such as John Anthony West that present a much different story.
@dbfan2scfan John Anthony West does not have any published and peer-reviewed papers. You can always tell a tale of an Egyptian structure to make it sound like heavy machinery makes sense, but where is the evidence for it? No writing, no artifact, nothing. Theories that don't fall into ancient astronaut/atlantis logic always have a more supported answer that requires far less assumptions. It just requires us to not underestimate the ancients' intelligence. Did you check out Joseph's book?
Goodness gracious man there is a plethora of evidence that you are just ignoring here. You're telling me there is no hard evidence and that it is all theories? How about the precision? the design? the weight? the rounded/perfectly cut stones?
Why can we still today not replicate the pyramids? West and many others think the modern theories are absurd.
You can look at the evidence and discern the truth for yourself. They weren't built with machines, it was much better than that.
@dbfan2scfan There is plenty of evidence that ancients were highly skilled and developed many things that had to be reinvented later on. They were extremely intelligent and had a lot of free time to master their building skills. Where from that do you get conclusions about aliens or some magical technology?
Again, you're starting with the assumption that the ancients weren't smart enough to do it on their own.
Have you looked at Joseph's work yet? I've asked you three times.
^Yes, I have no problem with him. I like seeing hard evidence like his.
I didn't mean to imply the ancients weren't smart enough.
The reason people are talking about aliens is because of the glyphs that talk about the "gods" and that sort of thing. There are pictures of glyphs that depict some very interesting things.
Edward Leedskalnin from the early 1900s claimed he knew the secret of the pyramids, I don't know how well documented it is but he said he made coral castle alone.
@dbfan2scfan Many people have invented methods of moving huge stones by themselves using simple tools. We don't know for sure, but Edward probably built Coral Castle using similar methods. How many fables and drawings do we have today that could be taken literally by someone who had no context for what our civilization and culture was like? We can't really take those stories alone as truth.
Do you see how the pyramids were likely constructed by ingenious humans and not secret technology?
@dbfan2scfan Not really. We are talking about two different things. I am talking about innovative humans who used fundamental math and physics along with relatively simple tools and techniques to create amazing things by mastering their work. You are talking about sci-fi realm technology thats much more advanced than what we have today. There are two meanings for the word theory. In the case of "ancient astronaut theory," as well as variations of it, theory is pure guessing. Not science.
Yes yes of course, just like Leedskalnin was using wood and a rope to build coral castle: "fundamental math and physics along with relatively simple tools and techniques". You just seem to have a problem admitting they're years ahead in terms of their understanding of the way nature works.
In addition you are quite inept at restating the counter argument here. You completely missed the mark with the last part of that comment.
@dbfan2scfan It relates back to my point that these "theories" you propose are unscientific. Have I not been saying the builders were geniuses for their time? Mastering fundamental math and physics and taking full advantage of the simple tools available is extremely difficult, yet thats what they did. But by every measure of science, we simply know more now than we ever have.
You really think Leedskalnin discovered some "secret of the pyramids?" Thats a big assumption with nothing to support it.
Your claim, "But by every...we ever have." Is unscientific.
Leedskalnin himself said that he had discovered how the pyramids were built. "Thats a big...to support it" <- This is false seeing as how the rocks making coral castle are evidence.
The fact that we cannot replicate these things today is evidence that they were scientifically more "advanced" in their understanding than us. It's just too much for you to handle, clearly.
@dbfan2scfan You assume that one man discovered some secret because he said so. The rocks could have been built plenty of ways that does not involve some secret, as I already demonstrated.
In the modern world we have technology beyond the Egyptians' wildest dreams. We just aren't motivated to accomplish anything on the scale of their pyramids. No big secret.
We've been over how you don't understand science. Humans learn and progress, its only natural that we are more advanced now than before.
You're incompetent when it comes to stating other's views, I believe he discovered something because he did something no one else can explain. You demonstrated utterly nothing.
You don't understand what evidence is.
The history of sci is a roller-coaster not a steady incline- Michael Cremo's work.
You say I don't understand science meanwhile you're the idiot running around claiming science isn't being manipulated by socio-political agendas.
@dbfan2scfan I demonstrated with my sources that seemingly impossible building feats can be achieved with relatively simple and creative solutions. Just look at the man who is building stonehenge. If you're claiming he discovered something metaphysical or supernatural, there is no support for you.
The history of science has been self-correcting. If you are suggesting we abandon well-established scientific theories based on revolutions like Copernicus, then I highly suggest you think twice.
@dbfan2scfan You just sent me a video of one man telling a story. This is exactly what I am talking about, you haven't presented any science to support your case. You expect me to just trust him? If he can describe this kind of technology so easily, why can no one reproduce it? Why have no independent attempts to demonstrate such things succeeded? After all the information I gave you, you can't tell me I don't understand what evidence is and then point to a video like that as good evidence.
No one called it "good" evidence but you. The man in the videos case is clearly evidence that info is being suppressed. His case is supported by the documents explaining why he got fired, the thousands of government, military, & civil official testimonies saying the same, and the thousands of pages from declassified documents the disclosure project has gathered.
Saying why haven't individual's attempts been successful is like saying why hasn't any private company gone to the moon.
@dbfan2scfan You just called it good evidence of a cover-up of fantastic technology, but in reality its just a few people talking. Its no secret that the government carries out classified experiments like MKULTRA, but where is the evidence that they have created anything like what this man describes and why is any of that relevant to our discussion?
Free energy machines and other "classified" technology is always described as being simple and people even sell instructions. None of them work.
^You seem to enjoy claiming things that are simply incorrect.
You're are an utter fool if you think there is no evidence that the Germans, Russians, and the Americans have not been working on this since the end of WWII.
You don't understand that Valone got fired for passing a patent on a device that did not oblige by currently accepted laws of physics. A working device. Not some scam free energy machine, a working device.
@dbfan2scfan Germans ad Russians did all kinds of crazy stuff to fit the ideas of the dictators of WWII. Russians bought into the "phantom DNA" effect, which is false. Nazis even bought into the idea that aliens live inside a hollow Earth at one point.
So where is the machine? Did he pass the blueprints on to anyone? Did any colleagues recreate it? You're assuming it exists. Its just like the claims of cold fusion, they are false.
This is getting ridiculous, you have nothing to show.
@dbfan2scfan I asked for evidence, not fluff. But why should I expect anything else? You've been presenting misinformation and disinformation this whole time.
^Another one of your wildly inaccurate claims I see.
Valone's case is not evidence that info is being suppressed TO YOU not b/c it is not evidence but b/c you have been brainwashed to believe anything relating to the subject is nonsense.
You are asking ME to provide you with evidence that the pyramids could not have been built the way the mainstream wants you to believe and yet there are so many books on the subject presenting well organized arguments.
@dbfan2scfan Right, I did miss those comments. I'll address them one by one okay?
Valone's story is just a story. I'd believe it if there were on SHRED of evidence to support his story and that such a device actually exists. If there is something, then show.
There are plenty of books and a whole field of researchers explaining how the pyramids were built. No machinery or metaphysical stuff is necessary to build megaliths, as demonstrated by people today. Meanwhile, no one has ever built
your claim that the Egyptian's were simply genius's, meanwhile the Egyptians themselves documented on their temple walls that Ra is the one who gave them the pyramids.
You have nothing to back up YOUR claims and yet you are bashing me for not having evidence. Do you understand that there are depictions of helicopters and flying saucers on their temple walls? Do you not understand that they themselves said they were helped? Is this not evidence to you? Do you know what evidence is?
@dbfan2scfan megaliths using the fantasy technology you describe. In terms of evidence thats a strike against you.
Do you understand that those glyphs at Abydos are not actually helicopters? They're glyphs that were edited over and just look like helicopters. You actually think Egyptians had helicopters? Who helped them? Why can't those stories be part of their religion or folklore? You're assuming so much and expecting everyone to buy into your ad-hoc argument.
^Rofl I wasn't implying the had them. They were likely seen through divination etc.
What you can't seem to wrap around your head is that it's not fantasy technology. It's an application of a uni-field theory. There are leaked/ released classified documents from multiple governments besides the US confirming these sorts of things.
If you are really interested in discerning the truth here then you would research this on your own instead of laughing at what you don't understand.
Furthermore, it is a joke that you are incapable of using the incredible resource of youtube to collect info for yourself on this subject. Should you be so bold as to do this you would come to realize the incredible effort that is being made to inform the public of the current suppression of information on a whole host of issues.
You still don't realize that the scientific community is practicing a religion, not science, a religion. Whenever someone speaks out about topics that ar
@dbfan2scfan You seem to forget I once believed in this stuff. Youtube will show just as great a force to debunk this stuff. I've seen it, and the arguments just fall apart to the facts.
Thats a classic view of careless resentment toward the scientific community. Its just a lack of understanding. It's really damaging to have people teach stuff that isn't true, so the people who teach pseudoscience are excluded from the textbooks. If a theory is valid, science accepts it. End of story.
are not accepted by the mainstream, that scientist is ostracized, criticized, mocked, and utterly humiliated to the point that they are practically forced not to speak up.
It is pitiful that you cannot see that there is a preponderance of evidence being presented at this murder trial, all that is missing is the body. YOU are living in such a fantasy that you have not even realized that your mother is dead. Why are you asking for evidence that she was murdered when you still believe
@dbfan2scfan What are you talking about? You're not even discussing any information anymore. If you can't convince me you just call me names and rant about... my mom being dead? If you really accepted this as truth, you wouldn't give up and would be able to present me information that I haven't already seen. But you don't, its aimless hatred that happens to fall on authority. Trust me, I've explored this government cover-up argument inside and out. It's ridiculous.
that she is alive. You are so clueless I cannot possibly hope to convince you of this, you are too good at lying to yourself to see the inherent truth of the matter. If you truly were interested in the subject, then you would go and look at cases such as the disclosure project and realize: "OMG everyone here is not a nutcase, something is really going on" <- not to mention the hard evidence from radar, etc.
This is painful. There's a reason why they call you're archetype sheeple.
I will wrap this up b/c I see no point in continuing this pitiful nuh uh - yeah huh argument we are having. You believe that I do not understand science and that there is no evidence to back up any of my claims. I believe you are a brainwashed child of the lie.
Now that we understand each other, I have agreed to disagree. You can choose to agree to disagree or continue to post your outrageous comments implying my arguments are bunk.
@dbfan2scfan Brainwashed child of the lie... Nice. We can't agree so I am brainwashed, good reasoning! You're such a seeker of truth! Anyway, I guess you're not going to try to present any evidence? Well I've explained how your statements are completely unscientific and how your general and careless resentment toward the government and science is just that. You have no reason to mistrust science that much. Devices that defy physics? Get real, be honest with yourself, and look at the facts.
Lol I just couldn't resist responding. It's cute that you believe there is no evidence:
Alex Jones, Executive Order 12148, William Cooper, Edgar Cayce, Graham Hancock, David Wilcock, Lloyd Pye, David Icke, Betty Anderson, Ingo Swann, Uri Geller, Richard Hogland, Paul Hellyer, Gerald Celente, Gary Mickinnon, David Adair, Alex Colier, Brad Sherman, Michael Burgess, Enders and Nimitz, Richard Sauder, Walter Russel,Timothy S. Cooper, Deborah Palfrey, Paul LaViolette, Dan A. Davidson
@dbfan2scfan Murray Gell-Mann, Richard Dawkins, Matt Ridley, Bruce Rosenblum, Fred Kuttner, Aaron O'connel, Garrett Lisi, Wally Wallington*, Joseph Davidovits*, Sean Carroll, Bob Brier*, Jean-Pierre Houdin*, Mark Lehner*, David Eagleman, Daniel Liberman, and many many others.
Those are all names of good scientists with very important messages. I even put a star next to the ones that you would be most interested in seeing. At least, you should be if you really want to understand the truth here.
Niola tesla (lol?), Aleksander Golod, Robert M. Wood, Friedmann & Lazar (which 1 is lying?), Michael T. Lindemann, Brian Parks, Ryan S. Wood, Karl Pflock, Michael Cremo, CROP CIRCLES, David Ray Griffin, The Dogon Tribe, Srinivasa Ramanujan, Bill Holden, Steven Greer
@dbfan2scfan More than half the names you mentioned are absolutely ridiculous, I've listened to almost all of them. Crop circles? Really? Thats a new low. Nikola Tesla was a genius, but that doesn't prove the existence of fantasy technology. And thats what it is, fantasy technology. If it exists, either you and I would be using it or everyone would know about it.
Holy moly you need to research this on your own. Crop circles? Really? Do you have any idea of the kind of messages that were imbedded in them? Rofl you ask for evidence I give you 43 names to work with and I'm the one who's being absurd? Are you kidding? Can you possibly deny evidence anymore than you already are?
"If it exists, either you and I would be using it or everyone would know about it." <- You should educate yourself on what is going on in the world right now.
@dbfan2scfan Do you have any idea how not-mystical crop circles are? Or how good people are at making them? Again, you're resorting to junk science which has no basis in reality. I told you, I'm familiar with most of those names and things you listed. All of them do not prove anything. Guess why? Lack of evidence. They are all either conspiracy theorists or people with a verbal anecdote. And I thought you would explain yourself to me rather than list names. Shall I list names?
^The names are for you to start your own investigation, most of them are researchers with their own evidence.
WOAH! Crop circles are man made? That puts things in perspective for me man. If you are willing to believe that, meanwhile it has almost been proven that they cannot be recreated in only the few minutes it takes for them to show up, well then that about sums this little session here up.
@dbfan2scfan Seen the names, not impressed... Explained that already.
Have you looked into crop circles at all? There are plenty of groups who do it. They are able to make complex crop circles overnight and have given plenty of interviews and demonstrations on it. Many have been caught red-handed. All that talk about strange properties in the grass, totally false. Crop circles have gotten more complex over time because people got better and more attention from it. You're blind to your belief.
You are the one who is ignorant of the socio-political agendas of the scientists you worship. <- hehe
^ROFL was I not specific in saying minutes? "...that they cannot be recreated in only the few minutes..."
..."CROP CIRCLES" does not refer to the artistic formations that are designed for competitions each year in England. ^Refers to, for example, the formation that was created in under 120 seconds. You should look into the topic much more than a quick google search.
@dbfan2scfan Socio-political agendas' influences on science are usually washed out in the scientific community. A good example would be climate change. Lots of fudged information out there, but the proof is in the data.
There are no documented cases where crop circles show up in minutes. Not one. And I'm not talking about competitions, most people doing it are doing it illegally and for the thrill. There is not one explanation for crop circles other than humans that makes any bit of sense.
^I think I understand what your saying but there is a level of suppression when it comes to releasing data to the public. Not that the information is not there, but it is kept from the public eye because of corporate interests.
There is a video here of a farmer who filmed a circle appearing in "a flash". The physical evidence is in fact lacking but looking at the larger picture, the message of the circles is consistent and that is simply that Earth is going through a major change.
@dbfan2scfan Of course there is secretive information and operations like the MKULTRA experiment and HAARP. Unfortunately, it is necessary for governments to keep some secrets from the public. This, however, does not provide any evidence of the fantasy technology in question. I would speculate that stuff like it is or has been experimented on, but if any attempts were successful we would live in a much different world. It just doesn't exist. And the falsified experiments don't help its case.
Actually the evidence to support this technology is found in leaked classified documents and individual collaborative testimonies across the decades. So there is some evidence, lol this is a never ending argument here.
@dbfan2scfan Documents that support technology like what you describe? Leaked documents spread very fast and news of something like that would change the world. Have you seen these documents? Are they real? Could you show them to me? Consider these questions before you preach this stuff to people. Claims of cold fusion fall into the same category, they are utterly false. Scientists claimed to have created it but no one could reproduce their results and in reality cold fusion was never achieved.
@dbfan2scfan Yet to this day people still claim cold fusion is real. The technology was officially and conclusively falsified but many hold a general and careless resentment towards the scientific community without understanding which turns into mistrust. Its all misunderstandings of how the science works.
Your prejudice is too strong. The founder of the disclosure project, Greer, has many of these papers and has briefed top military and Cia who were told they did not have a "need to know".
You should really research this stuff on your own. You're making some quite naive statements here: "Leaked documents ... would change the world"
Your other claims are weak "Have you seen...stuff to people." and lead to "how do I know I'm not dreaming right now" type arguments.
@dbfan2scfan Again, you have nothing to show. I don't think you understand that if a document describing research and experiments that produced WORKING machines like what you claim exist was leaked, people would reproduce it. So yes, it would have a profound effect on the world. Experiments yield results, yet nothing shows up.
I ask you to show me the documents and you can't even do that. If Greer has the documents, where are they and why isn't this tech being made? Oh right, he is a fraud.
Ah yes water for fuel, there's an example. Look at that man's case and learn about the mechanisms that have been used to suppress his work.
This is what you're referring to:
"...it's not fantasy technology. It's an application of a uni-field theory. There are leaked/ released classified documents from multiple governments besides the US confirming these sorts of things."
Most of the technical work is patented i.e. is not public. So actually you're misquoting/paraphrasing ->
@dbfan2scfan You're claiming that technology applying a unified field theory exists when there is no unified field theory. If anyone were to create such a machine and release the documents reporting that it worked, it would cause just as much of a buzz as schematics would. You seem to be very certain that these things exist, so now you're telling me that your certainty lies in sketchy documents with no schematics or details on how it works? Do you see the problems here?
Something else you may have been referring to, if not the above quote is this:
"Actually the evidence to support this technology is found in leaked classified documents and individual collaborative testimonies across the decades."
In neither of the quotes did I say detailed schematics were released that would allow for the technology to reproduced by a common individual. You're misrepresenting me again...
Furthermore we're not building a toaster here. Let's see ->
@dbfan2scfan No one is representing you but yourself... Anyways, the MJ12 documents are certainly the strongest case for your claims, but even they fall extremely short. Let's think about it.
The documents supposedly detail cover-ups of alien contact (getting off track of our original conversation). A lot of possibilities exist here. It could be true and there could be a huge conspiracy to cover up something that would rock the foundations of culture, science, and religion.
@dbfan2scfan No one is representing you but yourself... Anyways, the MJ12 documents are certainly the strongest case for your claims, but even they fall extremely short. Let's think about it.
The documents supposedly detail cover-ups of alien contact (getting off track of our original conversation). A lot of possibilities exist here. It could be true and there could be a huge conspiracy to cover up something that would rock the foundations of culture, science, and religion.
Stop misrepresenting, misquoting, and playing prosecution lawyer with me. You're making so many assumptions about what I am implying without properly interpreting what I posted it's getting absurd.
Anyway... "I ask you to show me the documents and you can't even do that." I've given you names so you could do that yourself. One I can think of right now is the MJ12 documents. Are they legitimate, blah blah blah, another time maybe, there's 2 sides to every story, I'm getting tired...
@dbfan2scfan It could be that the government is simply keeping new military weapons secrets (example from history: stealth jets) and our imaginations spin elaborate conspiracies. It could be misinformation. It could be a lie to fuel pop culture and make money. We're interested in true and false, the only way to weigh the likelihood of it being true is to look at the real world. How likely is such a conspiracy? Something as revolutionary as intelligent ET life and their tech being kept secret?
@dbfan2scfan It's not very likely at all for one reason, where is the evidence? We keep going full circle back to that question, don't we? Where is the evidence of such technology? Where are the implications? You assume aliens have visited Earth. You assume the government controls and guards every piece of evidence. You assume the conspiracy is successful. All of these assumptions are required to fit your world-view, so how can you possibly tell it to other people expecting them to believe it?
@dbfan2scfan It's not very likely for one reason, where is the evidence? We keep going full circle back to that question, don't we? There are way too many assumptions that are required for your world-view. You assume intelligent aliens have visited Earth. You assume the government guards everything that proves their existence. You assume their incentive to make it a conspiracy are great enough and that it is successful. How can you expect someone else to believe you with all these assumptions?
Well you're twisting my platform because there is in-fact evidence of what I am talking about but I think we can just agree to leave this at that. You believe that I have absolutely no evidence, I believe I do.
I mean unless you really want to continue this on for another 2 months or however long this argument has been going? lol
@dbfan2scfan I just posted 4 comments explaining why your "evidence" can barely be considered such and is not nearly enough to support such an extreme claim that you insist is true, and you respond saying that it is a difference in beliefs? It is belief for that world-view, pure faith. I established long ago that I come into this conversation from a scientific point of view. Science and faith are separate. So again, your claims have no basis in reality.
You're taking a quasi scientific stand-point. You're making attacks against claims that seem outrageous to you and saying they have no basis, not b/c they have none, but b/c they are too difficult for you to accept.
I.e, getting back to the pyramids, you agreed that there was evidence that they were not built using understood methods: I suggested there was evidence Ra helped them b/c the Egyptians & other sources have stated so, you decided tw geniuses.
You're taking a quasi scientific stand-point. You're making attacks against claims that seem outrageous to you and saying they have no basis, not b/c they have none, but b/c they are too difficult for you to accept.
I.e, getting back to the pyramids, you agreed that there was evidence that they were not built using understood methods: I suggested there was evidence Ra helped them b/c the Egyptians & other sources have stated so, you decided tw geniuses.
@dbfan2scfan If you're talking about the lights creating a crop circle, that video was a hoax. The hoaxer gave an interview and showed how it was done with simple editing. Crop circles started out as just circles. As time went on, they got more complex. When fractal geometry got popular, it started showing up in the crops. It simply shows that the artists got better at what they do and went along with the cultural trends, just like many other artists. They're made by creative people.
Actually I think I know which video you're talking about and that's not the one I'm referring to (The one with the two balls flying around?). That one is very clearly edited.
The one I'm talking about is of a farmer or someone who stood out all night with a camera. There is a flash in the video- but yeah I wouldn't rely much on these types of things as "proof". For me, it's the overarching themes that are very apparent.
@dbfan2scfan Truth sets us free. In order to get the truth of how the world works, you need science. As demonstrated, your argument holds no evidence. If you expect us to continue, can you stop being a whiney frustrated brat and stick to the discussion of information?
It's very frustrating speaking to people like you b/c you have not looked at the other side of the story BUT you make a front as if you know the truth of reality.
@dbfan2scfan The scientific community is far past the point where it is held back by political agenda. Sure, things like stem cell research may not always get proper funding, but theories are completely independent of politics thanks to peer-review and the scientific method. No evidence, no shift. Shifts come with the discovery of irrefutable facts. Thats what happened with scientists like Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin. Sorry, but you can't blame the global elite for Nassim's lack of evidence.
@dbfan2scfan Use Occam's razor here. The explanation with the least assumptions is probably the best one. When we look at the evidence, we see none supporting aliens or advanced technology like what Nassim describes. The facts just don't support it. Humans are capable of amazing things and most of the wonders of the world are products of specialization and innovation as a result of huge prosperity and exchange. Yes, there are mysteries, but Nassim's "answers" are assumptions. Not facts.
Why doesn't anyone ask the simple question: What method did you use to calculate the mass? Or how do you know the mass? Where did you find out that that was the mass?-This audience seems to take him at his word on the measurements for such a big claim. That tells us something about them which in turn...
The kind of people who question charismatically-presented stories before accepting them as truth are not likely to be found paying money to see this guy speak.
(Actually, as those who have tried will tell you, if anyone questions his authority he takes pretty swift action to make sure they really don't want to stick around.)
Yeah, I saw that really long meaningless letter he wrote to you to refute your arguements about his claims and yours as well. He really said nothing and answered no question directly. He sounded much more like a politican than a scientist. I know a real scientist would not be concered enough with an anonomous critic to waiste time writing a 30 page refutation that really says nothing. I don't even think he orginated his Theory, see Dan Winter. Still don't go for it though.
Here are at least 3 things he must explain, if he wants to be taken seriously:
1. How can Aurora in Jupiter ingite its surface and create a second star in our solar system? i. A gas giant on fire is not a star, it has no nuclear fussion
ii. Jupiter has very little oxygen in its atmosphere, thus the chemical reaction needed to make fire cannot occur.
2. If black holes exist on the surface of the Sun "Sunspots", why is the Suns surface not deformed in these regions?
3. If we are to take all ancient history as factual scienctific evidence as he does many times, why is the world not flat and the earth not the center of the solar system or for that matter the universe.
As for the theory its self, here's a simple question. Where is the math? Hiding it all in sigularities is just saying, "I don't know what my theory is as it can never be solved"
I respect you for taking the time to de-bunk this guy-there is enough bad science as is.
I'm afraid that if you can get any kind of response, he'll use it to insinuate that your questions show that you've been brainwashed my mainstream education. It's pretty much the only line of defense he has.
He may well also instruct you in dozens of entirely irrelevant things that mainstream science doesn't have answers to, to give his illiterate followers the illusion of your viewpoint being undermined.
@TheBobathon bobina, do not bash his "followers", i am fascinated by the things he says and am far from illiterate. you are a proper weasel, going through every one of his videos and trying to make him seem illegitimate from your anonymous position on the internet. if you think he is actually a charlatan, then address him face to face and put it on youtube. then people can make their own judgements.
@thirdeyeblind3 People can make their own judgements just fine without having to see something on YouTube. I'm not "trying to make him seem illegitimate", I'm explaining why he's wrong. I don't see any reason why he should be immune to criticism. He talks crap and pretends that he's an authority and pretends that it's science, and that's not right.
If you want to follow him out of fascination, that's fine, but don't expect others to keep quiet about his dishonesty just because you like him.
A comet tail is somehow like a "shadow" made of sun wind (light particles). They seem to orbit in a highly stretched eliptic orbits in one focus of wich seem to be the Sun. They are something like a meteors that would leave tails of "air-shadow" and own matterial falling apart of them.
Alex; Because comet orbits are Eccentric (elongated ellipses) they spend most of their time far away from the sun, frozen.
They speed up closer to the sun, spending little time there, during which they heat up from their frozen state (which takes time), partially melt, and lose gasses, water vapour and dust (tails and coma). Each orbit they get smaller, and are observed to fade over time.
Eventually they can lose all volatiles and become "extinct", an inert rock like an asteroid.
BLATANT editing of the soho footage to make it look like the CME deflected the comet! Totally dishonest.
Then a guy in the audience KNOWS that the size of the comets gas-dust coma does not relate to a "huge gravitational field" - whereupon nassim flounders, ignores the question by changing the subject. His uncomfortable body language absolutely screams "deliberate liar".
if you freeze frame this clip at 3:42 then you will see that the comet is wroughly 20% the distance from the sun than mercury is now we know mercury has a surface temperature of 430c how can a small body of ice an rock servive 430c+ without melting entirely
Yeah, the video was obviously edited. The actual video is easily found and it's quite apparent. It's unfortunate because I think Nassim is on to something with his theories but when you manipulate the facts to make your ideas stronger than it throws everything else so far into doubt you can no longer accept it. sad really...
keki, the core of the biggest comet ever seen was only a few tens of km, the mass and gravitational pull of a solid body of that size can easily be calculated, it is TINY compared to planets. This comet was probably less than one km in size. Do the math!
ureallidiots; Just another fact-free post. ROFLMAO!! Refute anything that has been said to destroy nassims truly pathetic errors about the comet. Hint; Take astronomy 101 before you make another stupid comment.
Why so they can tell you incorrect information like how planets have circular orbits which come back on themselves while they also tell you the universe is expanding?
It is a very obvious pattern to the discrediters like indie3 and Karma01010. I you visit their channel you will find that they often have 0 upload wiews, are grey and anonimous, have 1 to 5 subscriptions, 0 to 5 subscribers, seldom any friend links or they have links to power-building, they have no comments or only hate mails and they never post any uploads. They will argue on anything, have no friends yet their comments are the only ones highly rated. YOU DO THE MATH
There is little point in even replying to Alexofgummie, looking at his other posts you will see that he spouts nothing but reams of unpunctuated uneducated drivel.
However, the physical difference between a comets solid core and its tenuous tail is like comparing a Glacier to a Cumulus Cloud. The wind can move clouds but not mountains, just as the solar wind can move comet tails but not their core. Comet tails have very little mass or gravitational pull, they just look large. Nassim is wrong.
How is he wrong? He states that most comets are rock and ice and if it is a normal comet, the gravitational pull would have been enormous for its size.
What is WRONG with you gummie? You don't understand ANYTHING. A comets tail is VERY THIN DUST AND GAS, it is VERY lightweight (low mass) --- THAT IS WHY IT ALWAYS FACES AWAY FROM THE SUN ! Because the light solar wind can PUSH the LIGHTWEIGHT TAIL, whereas it does not push the small solid core.
For gods sake, gummie, go and READ ABOUT COMETS somewhere before posting ignorant crap.
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Karma dont talk daft if the tail is so big then the mass has to be huge too or the thing would melt entirely an there would be no tail at all what element is light enough to be a solid an vapourise to create a tail an not melt so fast to dissappear entirely when been that close to the sun answer that 1 all that steam if thats what the tail is made of vapourised ice has to weigh quiet a lot I'd say
It was an ordinary comet. A small core, no more than a few km across. A large (but lightweight) gas-dust coma and tail. A trajectory entirely predicted by simple Newtonian Orbital Mechanics. It didn't budge from that trajectory in any way. The coronal mass ejection was coincidental and had no effect on its trajectory.
Even Nassims body language gives away the fact that he is MAKING UP deliberate LIES here. (OR he is abysmally ignorant - but I think he is actually a con artist out to sell DVDs).
Umm please tell me, if there was a huge comet that supposedly would've done changes to us but they didnt occure then what happend, there was a comet but no effect, little green men?
Like all comets, it had a small solid nucleus, surrounded by an enormous halo of very thin dust and gas weighing very little. Light reflecting off this thin coma makes it look large. The solid nucleus was 0.5 to 0.7 kilometers in diameter. That's about 260,000 times smaller than Jupiter!
This was just another comet from the hundreds seen from the view of the SOHO satellite.
The idiot thinks the comet had a "huge gravitational field"!!! ROFL!! In fact, the comet consisted of a VERY SMALL CENTRAL CORE, surrounded by an EXTREMELY THIN cloud of gas and dust which made its optical image look large (2x Jupiter). But it's MASS was TINY !!! So its gravitational pull was also TINY !! It would have had NEGLIGIBLE gravitational effect on Mercury, or any other planet. What an idiot!
I believe the thunderbolts guys (electric universe) has explanations on this as well. The electromagnetic interaction between the Sun and the comet (or whatever object that is) increases as it approaches. Therefore also the sun flare. Why is Nassim's commet about the Vatican edited/cut at 00:38 ?
from what i understand, the tail of the comet is the debris it throws out. rather like a snail leaves a trail. if this is true, then the comet's tail shoud have a spiral like tail as it bends around the sun.
here, the tail itself seems to move and i didnt think that was possible. can someone explain that please?
tintaal: you refer to the classical explanation, that, as you're pointing out, doesn't all make sense. The tail of the comet is rather plasma filaments, charged particles from the comet, that reacts with the particles streaming from the sun. The second issue: the comet tails in this video is (according to Nassim) edited in by NASA, as the original video was taken off the server for a while. So, they probably have fake dynamics anyway.
ok but the fact is that many of the stuff from this guy is just pure speculation, I think h should concentrate more on the vacuum study otherwise all his work will go unnoticed
and another thing the entire disk is the size of the sun not just the small one, what a fk is wrong with this guy??? he is the disinformation champion
The Sun's radius is measured from its center to the edge of the photosphere. This is simply the layer above which the gases are too cool or too thin to radiate a significant amount of light, and is therefore the surface most readily visible to the naked eye.
All relative, I suppose, but the corona is extensive and too bright for the SOHO sensor to cope with. The nominal surface is represented by the inner circle.
try your best not to be afraid... What ever these changes are, they are all part of the natural (or unnatural) birth, death, rebirth, and transformation of the cosmos. As our knowledge of the universe grows, we cannot but understand how much we do not understand..... this is life...
There is nothing in this universe that is worthy of your fear. We all want to know more, but I insist there is nothing to be afraid of. Fear is what has been used to control us for so long, throw it away. We are infinite, so it's cool. This does not mean we can just sit back and watch things unfold, the real threat is on this planet and we must take measures to protect ourselves but any traditional means of resistance can't be expected to work, we must invision a totaly new human experience.
the goverment has cover ups for everything.. the truth is never adressed to the public.
HaliNova902 5 months ago
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spacekimono 8 months ago in playlist Nassim Haramein- Unified Field Theory
The scientific community is not the big bad arrogant prick some people make it out to be. I mean, they went wild over a theory developed by a surfer living in his van. Why? Because it was real science. Almost everywhere I see Nassim's paper, it is reviewed as nothing special at best. I can forgive the guy for creating a physics theory that doesnt quite work. But he lost me in this lecture. Comets the size of Jupiter and aliens traveling through black holes.. Really? How is that science?
dudepal187 9 months ago
@dudepal187
rofl... you have no idea. What you consider to be "science" is a joke compared to true knowledge held in ancient wisdom texts.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Do you understand the scientific method? The science you reject as ignorant has made advancements that none of our ancestors could ever dream of. You may be able to find "wisdom" in ancient texts but as far as science goes its nothing compared to the system of exchange we have today that allows us to communicate ideas and innovate like never before. Science today holds a wealth of fascinating theories and facts based on experiments and real life data. Nassim just tells stories.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
You have utterly no idea what you're talking about. You see humans as having evolved from apes 250k years ago, I see humans as having been here for millions of years, atlantis as more than just a story, and flying saucers as more than just imaginary.
We're comming from two completely different perspectives here. You have no idea how much more advanced humans in the past were than we are today.
Hara is giving you a "wealth" of evidence that you're simply ignoring. Try the pyramids
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan When it comes to science like this, there are only facts. No two ways about it.
Don't assume things about me. I've studied and even bought into these theories and have learned its mostly pseudoscientific fluff being used to promote one's own "new age" world view. Its like religion, not science at all.
Don't underestimate humans either. Yes there are mysteries about the ancient world, but that doesn't mean we were flying around in space ships when the pyramids were being built.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
Trust me, science is more of a religion than you would believe. I base most of my stuff off of the Law of One books, Edgar Cayce material, Walter Russell Material, and Edward Leedskalnins writings. There are so many other reputable sources though, a lot of what Hara is saying I had already heard from respectable sources.
If you want evidence about the alien topics you can look at the disclosure project here on youtube, lots of pilots, public officials, etc giving testimonies.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You seem to not be paying attention. I've played in all of this stuff you're talking about. I bought into it at one point and learned as much as I could about it. I'll say it once more, its mostly belief (religion). Beliefs are fine, but people like Nassim stretch the truth and abuse science in order to promote their own beliefs. Almost everything in this talk is not supported by any fact, regardless of how many seers and self-proclaimed psychics like Edgar Cayce agree with him.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Look, you can believe whatever you want, but don't push it on other people as if it is scientific fact. Science is a process of finding truth in nature. Religion deals with belief and science with fact. You may find some scientists stuck in belief, but there are many more who acknowledge reality. They are the community that researches, experiments, and asks question in an ernest pursuit of truth. There is a reason all of this stuff isn't accepted by science. It simply isn't fact.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
I don't agree that Hara is stretching the truth, I think he's presenting what he believes to be evidence of his theories. Above I was presenting other sources that drew similar conclusions to Hara's to show that Hara was not the first to come up with them.
It's really not easy to call something fact or fiction based on whether or not the majority accepts it. There are many examples throughout history showing the majority opinion shifting to what was previously the minority opinion.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Comets the size of Jupiter? Quantum physics is bunk? Black holes in atomic nuclei? He is telling these things to people who think he is giving them truth. You really think this stuff has any evidence to support it? It doesn't. He is spreading junk science to the public, along with many others who agree with him, in order to support his own view of what the world should be.
Every paradigm shift comes with groundbreaking science. None exists to support Nassim's claims.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
Err no, Hara is presenting theories to you, then he's showing you evidence that he believes supports his theories.
The comet was reported to be huge at the time. I think later they found out is was much smaller. He told you why there was a problem with quantum physics in the video, it ignores causation. The black hole theory is what he's presenting to you.
No, the shift comes when enough minds break free of political agendas.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Again, this is junk science, not evidence. The comet was never reported to be huge, that was a jump to conclusions by a small group of uninformed people. Quantum physics has never been wrong in any of its predictions and its phenomena have been well established, calling it bunk just shows a lack of understanding. His theories have no experimental evidence or scientific merit to them at all. Try finding his name or papers in any scientific journal, there is a reason why you can't.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
You said the comet was never reported to be huge and then said a small group of people reported it to be huge...ummm?
I can give one example of a prediction that has been wrong in Quantum physics actually, the higg's boson.
Again, he gave the problem with the these physics in his video, it ignores causation. That's a very fundamental problem.
The majority of these videos is him giving you evidence that he believes support his theories. You seem to be stuck on the idea he has none
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Yes, a few people who have no idea what they are talking about, not people who reported it. Assuming it was twice the size of Jupiter is bad science. Please read what I write...
The higgs boson is a prediction for a unified field theory, not a principle necessary for quantum theory.
Do you even understand QM?
Im giving you every reason why this man is not giving us scientifically sound theories. I watched the videos and did follow-up research, none of this "evidence" is valid.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
I forgot what I was even arguing with you about lol... here's my first post:
"rofl... you have no idea. What you consider to be "science" is a joke compared to true knowledge held in ancient wisdom texts."
I don't even... your talking to me about how legitimate QM is?
Goodness Gracious man I'm not going to even try to touch that, that's way out of my league.
My point was that there are evidences that technology is no where near as advanced as it was around the times they built
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan
the pyramids. My second point was that in the videos Hara is presenting to you what he believes is evidence of his theories. If you say what he's giving you is not evidence in your opinion then obviously he will have nothing to back up his claims.
back to the off topic discussion... Even though QM is way beyond me, I can still identify a fundamental problem with it, that is that it's not unified with the physics of the large.
My 4th post is what seems to have lead me astray.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Evidence is either there or it is not. Nassim makes many assumptions and then, with no evidence, jumps to the conclusion of mysterious technology or aliens when there is a perfectly reasonable explanation that is supported by a myriad of evidence discovered by egyptologists, archaeologists, engineers, etc. Nassim is not a scientist. He is entitled to his own opinions, its just not fact and if he is presenting it as fact, its a lie.
Nassim's "opinions" are highly misinformed.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You don't understand QM and you don't understand science. There is no fundamental problem with QM, look at Aaron O'connell's experiments with superpositions. He has a talk on youtube.
Science deals with facts, not opinions. If it is his opinion that ancients had that kind of technology, then he may as well be teaching creationism. Occam's razor, my friend. The explanation that is supported by more evidence and requires the least assumptions is most likely the truth.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
Hara is not the one who came up with most of these theories. I'm actually not talking about him at all here. There are many many books written by architects, archeologists, engineers, etc which explain how it would have been absurd to think that ppl w/ stone tools could have built the pyramids.
The technology they used to build them was years ahead of what we have today, hence we are not able to replicate them.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan My original comment was about him presenting unscientific material. The fact that this information is unscientific does not change with the presenter/author. You're probably talking about people like Christopher Dunn. Interesting theory on why the pyramids were built, but the evidence presented there doesn't point to anything like aliens or technology more advanced than ours. It just shows how much we underestimate the innovativeness of our ancestors.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan What he says about causation is a common misconception about the Uncertainty Principle. I can't sit here and explain Quantum Mechanics to you, you can and should research that yourself if you're taking any of this seriously, but I can tell you that physicists all over the world have been performing experiments for decades, however mind-boggling they may be, that confirm Quantum Theory.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan This whole theory is based on the unsupported assumption that our ancestors could not have been smart enough to do this on their own. Most experts who devote their lives to figuring out the pyramids find things like that flat-out insulting. Try Joseph Davidovits's book for an example of a simple explanation. There are many more papers and books on top of that, all supported by evidence. You're assuming ignorance of hard-working experts and substituting your own uneducated answers.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
Actually I just took a course on African History so I do know the accepted story. The people giving the other half of the story aren't just making things up or making assumptions (Ignore Hara). There is also hard evidence that machines, not stone tools, were used in their construction.
Just as there are many papers by experts claiming the accepted story, there are also many papers by Egyptologists such as John Anthony West that present a much different story.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan John Anthony West does not have any published and peer-reviewed papers. You can always tell a tale of an Egyptian structure to make it sound like heavy machinery makes sense, but where is the evidence for it? No writing, no artifact, nothing. Theories that don't fall into ancient astronaut/atlantis logic always have a more supported answer that requires far less assumptions. It just requires us to not underestimate the ancients' intelligence. Did you check out Joseph's book?
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
Goodness gracious man there is a plethora of evidence that you are just ignoring here. You're telling me there is no hard evidence and that it is all theories? How about the precision? the design? the weight? the rounded/perfectly cut stones?
Why can we still today not replicate the pyramids? West and many others think the modern theories are absurd.
You can look at the evidence and discern the truth for yourself. They weren't built with machines, it was much better than that.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan There is plenty of evidence that ancients were highly skilled and developed many things that had to be reinvented later on. They were extremely intelligent and had a lot of free time to master their building skills. Where from that do you get conclusions about aliens or some magical technology?
Again, you're starting with the assumption that the ancients weren't smart enough to do it on their own.
Have you looked at Joseph's work yet? I've asked you three times.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
^Yes, I have no problem with him. I like seeing hard evidence like his.
I didn't mean to imply the ancients weren't smart enough.
The reason people are talking about aliens is because of the glyphs that talk about the "gods" and that sort of thing. There are pictures of glyphs that depict some very interesting things.
Edward Leedskalnin from the early 1900s claimed he knew the secret of the pyramids, I don't know how well documented it is but he said he made coral castle alone.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Many people have invented methods of moving huge stones by themselves using simple tools. We don't know for sure, but Edward probably built Coral Castle using similar methods. How many fables and drawings do we have today that could be taken literally by someone who had no context for what our civilization and culture was like? We can't really take those stories alone as truth.
Do you see how the pyramids were likely constructed by ingenious humans and not secret technology?
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dudepal187
Well that's basically the same thing, ingenious humans/ secret technology.
dbfan2scfan 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Not really. We are talking about two different things. I am talking about innovative humans who used fundamental math and physics along with relatively simple tools and techniques to create amazing things by mastering their work. You are talking about sci-fi realm technology thats much more advanced than what we have today. There are two meanings for the word theory. In the case of "ancient astronaut theory," as well as variations of it, theory is pure guessing. Not science.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Yes yes of course, just like Leedskalnin was using wood and a rope to build coral castle: "fundamental math and physics along with relatively simple tools and techniques". You just seem to have a problem admitting they're years ahead in terms of their understanding of the way nature works.
In addition you are quite inept at restating the counter argument here. You completely missed the mark with the last part of that comment.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan It relates back to my point that these "theories" you propose are unscientific. Have I not been saying the builders were geniuses for their time? Mastering fundamental math and physics and taking full advantage of the simple tools available is extremely difficult, yet thats what they did. But by every measure of science, we simply know more now than we ever have.
You really think Leedskalnin discovered some "secret of the pyramids?" Thats a big assumption with nothing to support it.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
^I was showing our arguments were the same.
Your claim, "But by every...we ever have." Is unscientific.
Leedskalnin himself said that he had discovered how the pyramids were built. "Thats a big...to support it" <- This is false seeing as how the rocks making coral castle are evidence.
The fact that we cannot replicate these things today is evidence that they were scientifically more "advanced" in their understanding than us. It's just too much for you to handle, clearly.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You assume that one man discovered some secret because he said so. The rocks could have been built plenty of ways that does not involve some secret, as I already demonstrated.
In the modern world we have technology beyond the Egyptians' wildest dreams. We just aren't motivated to accomplish anything on the scale of their pyramids. No big secret.
We've been over how you don't understand science. Humans learn and progress, its only natural that we are more advanced now than before.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
You're incompetent when it comes to stating other's views, I believe he discovered something because he did something no one else can explain. You demonstrated utterly nothing.
You don't understand what evidence is.
The history of sci is a roller-coaster not a steady incline- Michael Cremo's work.
You say I don't understand science meanwhile you're the idiot running around claiming science isn't being manipulated by socio-political agendas.
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dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan I demonstrated with my sources that seemingly impossible building feats can be achieved with relatively simple and creative solutions. Just look at the man who is building stonehenge. If you're claiming he discovered something metaphysical or supernatural, there is no support for you.
The history of science has been self-correcting. If you are suggesting we abandon well-established scientific theories based on revolutions like Copernicus, then I highly suggest you think twice.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You just sent me a video of one man telling a story. This is exactly what I am talking about, you haven't presented any science to support your case. You expect me to just trust him? If he can describe this kind of technology so easily, why can no one reproduce it? Why have no independent attempts to demonstrate such things succeeded? After all the information I gave you, you can't tell me I don't understand what evidence is and then point to a video like that as good evidence.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
No one called it "good" evidence but you. The man in the videos case is clearly evidence that info is being suppressed. His case is supported by the documents explaining why he got fired, the thousands of government, military, & civil official testimonies saying the same, and the thousands of pages from declassified documents the disclosure project has gathered.
Saying why haven't individual's attempts been successful is like saying why hasn't any private company gone to the moon.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You just called it good evidence of a cover-up of fantastic technology, but in reality its just a few people talking. Its no secret that the government carries out classified experiments like MKULTRA, but where is the evidence that they have created anything like what this man describes and why is any of that relevant to our discussion?
Free energy machines and other "classified" technology is always described as being simple and people even sell instructions. None of them work.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
^You seem to enjoy claiming things that are simply incorrect.
You're are an utter fool if you think there is no evidence that the Germans, Russians, and the Americans have not been working on this since the end of WWII.
You don't understand that Valone got fired for passing a patent on a device that did not oblige by currently accepted laws of physics. A working device. Not some scam free energy machine, a working device.
You're making things up as you go along.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Germans ad Russians did all kinds of crazy stuff to fit the ideas of the dictators of WWII. Russians bought into the "phantom DNA" effect, which is false. Nazis even bought into the idea that aliens live inside a hollow Earth at one point.
So where is the machine? Did he pass the blueprints on to anyone? Did any colleagues recreate it? You're assuming it exists. Its just like the claims of cold fusion, they are false.
This is getting ridiculous, you have nothing to show.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Deny, deny, deny...
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Just the facts, sir. It would be helpful if you presented evidence to support your very erroneous claims.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
You're in denial, you don't even realize you're saying the same thing as me. The first step is admitting there is a problem.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan I asked for evidence, not fluff. But why should I expect anything else? You've been presenting misinformation and disinformation this whole time.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
^Another one of your wildly inaccurate claims I see.
Valone's case is not evidence that info is being suppressed TO YOU not b/c it is not evidence but b/c you have been brainwashed to believe anything relating to the subject is nonsense.
You are asking ME to provide you with evidence that the pyramids could not have been built the way the mainstream wants you to believe and yet there are so many books on the subject presenting well organized arguments.
YOU have nothing to back y
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Right, I did miss those comments. I'll address them one by one okay?
Valone's story is just a story. I'd believe it if there were on SHRED of evidence to support his story and that such a device actually exists. If there is something, then show.
There are plenty of books and a whole field of researchers explaining how the pyramids were built. No machinery or metaphysical stuff is necessary to build megaliths, as demonstrated by people today. Meanwhile, no one has ever built
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
your claim that the Egyptian's were simply genius's, meanwhile the Egyptians themselves documented on their temple walls that Ra is the one who gave them the pyramids.
You have nothing to back up YOUR claims and yet you are bashing me for not having evidence. Do you understand that there are depictions of helicopters and flying saucers on their temple walls? Do you not understand that they themselves said they were helped? Is this not evidence to you? Do you know what evidence is?
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan megaliths using the fantasy technology you describe. In terms of evidence thats a strike against you.
Do you understand that those glyphs at Abydos are not actually helicopters? They're glyphs that were edited over and just look like helicopters. You actually think Egyptians had helicopters? Who helped them? Why can't those stories be part of their religion or folklore? You're assuming so much and expecting everyone to buy into your ad-hoc argument.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
^Rofl I wasn't implying the had them. They were likely seen through divination etc.
What you can't seem to wrap around your head is that it's not fantasy technology. It's an application of a uni-field theory. There are leaked/ released classified documents from multiple governments besides the US confirming these sorts of things.
If you are really interested in discerning the truth here then you would research this on your own instead of laughing at what you don't understand.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Seen through divination... No, they are edited glyphs.
You keep telling me there is all of this leaked research, but you fail to explain or present any of it.
There is no unified filed theory right now, and there is no certainty there will ever be one.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Furthermore, it is a joke that you are incapable of using the incredible resource of youtube to collect info for yourself on this subject. Should you be so bold as to do this you would come to realize the incredible effort that is being made to inform the public of the current suppression of information on a whole host of issues.
You still don't realize that the scientific community is practicing a religion, not science, a religion. Whenever someone speaks out about topics that ar
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You seem to forget I once believed in this stuff. Youtube will show just as great a force to debunk this stuff. I've seen it, and the arguments just fall apart to the facts.
Thats a classic view of careless resentment toward the scientific community. Its just a lack of understanding. It's really damaging to have people teach stuff that isn't true, so the people who teach pseudoscience are excluded from the textbooks. If a theory is valid, science accepts it. End of story.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
are not accepted by the mainstream, that scientist is ostracized, criticized, mocked, and utterly humiliated to the point that they are practically forced not to speak up.
It is pitiful that you cannot see that there is a preponderance of evidence being presented at this murder trial, all that is missing is the body. YOU are living in such a fantasy that you have not even realized that your mother is dead. Why are you asking for evidence that she was murdered when you still believe
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan What are you talking about? You're not even discussing any information anymore. If you can't convince me you just call me names and rant about... my mom being dead? If you really accepted this as truth, you wouldn't give up and would be able to present me information that I haven't already seen. But you don't, its aimless hatred that happens to fall on authority. Trust me, I've explored this government cover-up argument inside and out. It's ridiculous.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
that she is alive. You are so clueless I cannot possibly hope to convince you of this, you are too good at lying to yourself to see the inherent truth of the matter. If you truly were interested in the subject, then you would go and look at cases such as the disclosure project and realize: "OMG everyone here is not a nutcase, something is really going on" <- not to mention the hard evidence from radar, etc.
This is painful. There's a reason why they call you're archetype sheeple.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dudepal187
I will wrap this up b/c I see no point in continuing this pitiful nuh uh - yeah huh argument we are having. You believe that I do not understand science and that there is no evidence to back up any of my claims. I believe you are a brainwashed child of the lie.
Now that we understand each other, I have agreed to disagree. You can choose to agree to disagree or continue to post your outrageous comments implying my arguments are bunk.
I've never had so long of a yt argument rofl
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Brainwashed child of the lie... Nice. We can't agree so I am brainwashed, good reasoning! You're such a seeker of truth! Anyway, I guess you're not going to try to present any evidence? Well I've explained how your statements are completely unscientific and how your general and careless resentment toward the government and science is just that. You have no reason to mistrust science that much. Devices that defy physics? Get real, be honest with yourself, and look at the facts.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Lol I just couldn't resist responding. It's cute that you believe there is no evidence:
Alex Jones, Executive Order 12148, William Cooper, Edgar Cayce, Graham Hancock, David Wilcock, Lloyd Pye, David Icke, Betty Anderson, Ingo Swann, Uri Geller, Richard Hogland, Paul Hellyer, Gerald Celente, Gary Mickinnon, David Adair, Alex Colier, Brad Sherman, Michael Burgess, Enders and Nimitz, Richard Sauder, Walter Russel,Timothy S. Cooper, Deborah Palfrey, Paul LaViolette, Dan A. Davidson
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Murray Gell-Mann, Richard Dawkins, Matt Ridley, Bruce Rosenblum, Fred Kuttner, Aaron O'connel, Garrett Lisi, Wally Wallington*, Joseph Davidovits*, Sean Carroll, Bob Brier*, Jean-Pierre Houdin*, Mark Lehner*, David Eagleman, Daniel Liberman, and many many others.
Those are all names of good scientists with very important messages. I even put a star next to the ones that you would be most interested in seeing. At least, you should be if you really want to understand the truth here.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Niola tesla (lol?), Aleksander Golod, Robert M. Wood, Friedmann & Lazar (which 1 is lying?), Michael T. Lindemann, Brian Parks, Ryan S. Wood, Karl Pflock, Michael Cremo, CROP CIRCLES, David Ray Griffin, The Dogon Tribe, Srinivasa Ramanujan, Bill Holden, Steven Greer
...yawn
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan More than half the names you mentioned are absolutely ridiculous, I've listened to almost all of them. Crop circles? Really? Thats a new low. Nikola Tesla was a genius, but that doesn't prove the existence of fantasy technology. And thats what it is, fantasy technology. If it exists, either you and I would be using it or everyone would know about it.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Holy moly you need to research this on your own. Crop circles? Really? Do you have any idea of the kind of messages that were imbedded in them? Rofl you ask for evidence I give you 43 names to work with and I'm the one who's being absurd? Are you kidding? Can you possibly deny evidence anymore than you already are?
"If it exists, either you and I would be using it or everyone would know about it." <- You should educate yourself on what is going on in the world right now.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Do you have any idea how not-mystical crop circles are? Or how good people are at making them? Again, you're resorting to junk science which has no basis in reality. I told you, I'm familiar with most of those names and things you listed. All of them do not prove anything. Guess why? Lack of evidence. They are all either conspiracy theorists or people with a verbal anecdote. And I thought you would explain yourself to me rather than list names. Shall I list names?
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
^The names are for you to start your own investigation, most of them are researchers with their own evidence.
WOAH! Crop circles are man made? That puts things in perspective for me man. If you are willing to believe that, meanwhile it has almost been proven that they cannot be recreated in only the few minutes it takes for them to show up, well then that about sums this little session here up.
Lol 'have a gud day' - Wiford Brimley style.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Seen the names, not impressed... Explained that already.
Have you looked into crop circles at all? There are plenty of groups who do it. They are able to make complex crop circles overnight and have given plenty of interviews and demonstrations on it. Many have been caught red-handed. All that talk about strange properties in the grass, totally false. Crop circles have gotten more complex over time because people got better and more attention from it. You're blind to your belief.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
You are the one who is ignorant of the socio-political agendas of the scientists you worship. <- hehe
^ROFL was I not specific in saying minutes? "...that they cannot be recreated in only the few minutes..."
..."CROP CIRCLES" does not refer to the artistic formations that are designed for competitions each year in England. ^Refers to, for example, the formation that was created in under 120 seconds. You should look into the topic much more than a quick google search.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Socio-political agendas' influences on science are usually washed out in the scientific community. A good example would be climate change. Lots of fudged information out there, but the proof is in the data.
There are no documented cases where crop circles show up in minutes. Not one. And I'm not talking about competitions, most people doing it are doing it illegally and for the thrill. There is not one explanation for crop circles other than humans that makes any bit of sense.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
^I think I understand what your saying but there is a level of suppression when it comes to releasing data to the public. Not that the information is not there, but it is kept from the public eye because of corporate interests.
There is a video here of a farmer who filmed a circle appearing in "a flash". The physical evidence is in fact lacking but looking at the larger picture, the message of the circles is consistent and that is simply that Earth is going through a major change.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Of course there is secretive information and operations like the MKULTRA experiment and HAARP. Unfortunately, it is necessary for governments to keep some secrets from the public. This, however, does not provide any evidence of the fantasy technology in question. I would speculate that stuff like it is or has been experimented on, but if any attempts were successful we would live in a much different world. It just doesn't exist. And the falsified experiments don't help its case.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Actually the evidence to support this technology is found in leaked classified documents and individual collaborative testimonies across the decades. So there is some evidence, lol this is a never ending argument here.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Documents that support technology like what you describe? Leaked documents spread very fast and news of something like that would change the world. Have you seen these documents? Are they real? Could you show them to me? Consider these questions before you preach this stuff to people. Claims of cold fusion fall into the same category, they are utterly false. Scientists claimed to have created it but no one could reproduce their results and in reality cold fusion was never achieved.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Yet to this day people still claim cold fusion is real. The technology was officially and conclusively falsified but many hold a general and careless resentment towards the scientific community without understanding which turns into mistrust. Its all misunderstandings of how the science works.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Your prejudice is too strong. The founder of the disclosure project, Greer, has many of these papers and has briefed top military and Cia who were told they did not have a "need to know".
You should really research this stuff on your own. You're making some quite naive statements here: "Leaked documents ... would change the world"
Your other claims are weak "Have you seen...stuff to people." and lead to "how do I know I'm not dreaming right now" type arguments.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Again, you have nothing to show. I don't think you understand that if a document describing research and experiments that produced WORKING machines like what you claim exist was leaked, people would reproduce it. So yes, it would have a profound effect on the world. Experiments yield results, yet nothing shows up.
I ask you to show me the documents and you can't even do that. If Greer has the documents, where are they and why isn't this tech being made? Oh right, he is a fraud.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Ah yes water for fuel, there's an example. Look at that man's case and learn about the mechanisms that have been used to suppress his work.
This is what you're referring to:
"...it's not fantasy technology. It's an application of a uni-field theory. There are leaked/ released classified documents from multiple governments besides the US confirming these sorts of things."
Most of the technical work is patented i.e. is not public. So actually you're misquoting/paraphrasing ->
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan You're claiming that technology applying a unified field theory exists when there is no unified field theory. If anyone were to create such a machine and release the documents reporting that it worked, it would cause just as much of a buzz as schematics would. You seem to be very certain that these things exist, so now you're telling me that your certainty lies in sketchy documents with no schematics or details on how it works? Do you see the problems here?
dudepal187 4 months ago
@dudepal187
...me again.
Something else you may have been referring to, if not the above quote is this:
"Actually the evidence to support this technology is found in leaked classified documents and individual collaborative testimonies across the decades."
In neither of the quotes did I say detailed schematics were released that would allow for the technology to reproduced by a common individual. You're misrepresenting me again...
Furthermore we're not building a toaster here. Let's see ->
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan No one is representing you but yourself... Anyways, the MJ12 documents are certainly the strongest case for your claims, but even they fall extremely short. Let's think about it.
The documents supposedly detail cover-ups of alien contact (getting off track of our original conversation). A lot of possibilities exist here. It could be true and there could be a huge conspiracy to cover up something that would rock the foundations of culture, science, and religion.
dudepal187 4 months ago
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@dbfan2scfan No one is representing you but yourself... Anyways, the MJ12 documents are certainly the strongest case for your claims, but even they fall extremely short. Let's think about it.
The documents supposedly detail cover-ups of alien contact (getting off track of our original conversation). A lot of possibilities exist here. It could be true and there could be a huge conspiracy to cover up something that would rock the foundations of culture, science, and religion.
dudepal187 4 months ago
@dudepal187
Stop misrepresenting, misquoting, and playing prosecution lawyer with me. You're making so many assumptions about what I am implying without properly interpreting what I posted it's getting absurd.
Anyway... "I ask you to show me the documents and you can't even do that." I've given you names so you could do that yourself. One I can think of right now is the MJ12 documents. Are they legitimate, blah blah blah, another time maybe, there's 2 sides to every story, I'm getting tired...
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan It could be that the government is simply keeping new military weapons secrets (example from history: stealth jets) and our imaginations spin elaborate conspiracies. It could be misinformation. It could be a lie to fuel pop culture and make money. We're interested in true and false, the only way to weigh the likelihood of it being true is to look at the real world. How likely is such a conspiracy? Something as revolutionary as intelligent ET life and their tech being kept secret?
dudepal187 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan It's not very likely at all for one reason, where is the evidence? We keep going full circle back to that question, don't we? Where is the evidence of such technology? Where are the implications? You assume aliens have visited Earth. You assume the government controls and guards every piece of evidence. You assume the conspiracy is successful. All of these assumptions are required to fit your world-view, so how can you possibly tell it to other people expecting them to believe it?
dudepal187 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan It's not very likely for one reason, where is the evidence? We keep going full circle back to that question, don't we? There are way too many assumptions that are required for your world-view. You assume intelligent aliens have visited Earth. You assume the government guards everything that proves their existence. You assume their incentive to make it a conspiracy are great enough and that it is successful. How can you expect someone else to believe you with all these assumptions?
dudepal187 4 months ago
@dudepal187
Well you're twisting my platform because there is in-fact evidence of what I am talking about but I think we can just agree to leave this at that. You believe that I have absolutely no evidence, I believe I do.
I mean unless you really want to continue this on for another 2 months or however long this argument has been going? lol
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan I just posted 4 comments explaining why your "evidence" can barely be considered such and is not nearly enough to support such an extreme claim that you insist is true, and you respond saying that it is a difference in beliefs? It is belief for that world-view, pure faith. I established long ago that I come into this conversation from a scientific point of view. Science and faith are separate. So again, your claims have no basis in reality.
You can leave anytime you want...
dudepal187 4 months ago
@dudepal187
Lol the saga continues...
You're taking a quasi scientific stand-point. You're making attacks against claims that seem outrageous to you and saying they have no basis, not b/c they have none, but b/c they are too difficult for you to accept.
I.e, getting back to the pyramids, you agreed that there was evidence that they were not built using understood methods: I suggested there was evidence Ra helped them b/c the Egyptians & other sources have stated so, you decided tw geniuses.
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
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@dudepal187
Lol the saga continues...
You're taking a quasi scientific stand-point. You're making attacks against claims that seem outrageous to you and saying they have no basis, not b/c they have none, but b/c they are too difficult for you to accept.
I.e, getting back to the pyramids, you agreed that there was evidence that they were not built using understood methods: I suggested there was evidence Ra helped them b/c the Egyptians & other sources have stated so, you decided tw geniuses.
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
@dudepal187
I replied to your last comment in 3 separate comments which can be found above.
dbfan2scfan 4 months ago
@dbfan2scfan If you're talking about the lights creating a crop circle, that video was a hoax. The hoaxer gave an interview and showed how it was done with simple editing. Crop circles started out as just circles. As time went on, they got more complex. When fractal geometry got popular, it started showing up in the crops. It simply shows that the artists got better at what they do and went along with the cultural trends, just like many other artists. They're made by creative people.
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
Actually I think I know which video you're talking about and that's not the one I'm referring to (The one with the two balls flying around?). That one is very clearly edited.
The one I'm talking about is of a farmer or someone who stood out all night with a camera. There is a flash in the video- but yeah I wouldn't rely much on these types of things as "proof". For me, it's the overarching themes that are very apparent.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dudepal187
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Also, I think you missed the comments above my response to your previous comment.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Truth sets us free. In order to get the truth of how the world works, you need science. As demonstrated, your argument holds no evidence. If you expect us to continue, can you stop being a whiney frustrated brat and stick to the discussion of information?
dudepal187 5 months ago
@dudepal187
It's very frustrating speaking to people like you b/c you have not looked at the other side of the story BUT you make a front as if you know the truth of reality.
dbfan2scfan 5 months ago
@dbfan2scfan The scientific community is far past the point where it is held back by political agenda. Sure, things like stem cell research may not always get proper funding, but theories are completely independent of politics thanks to peer-review and the scientific method. No evidence, no shift. Shifts come with the discovery of irrefutable facts. Thats what happened with scientists like Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin. Sorry, but you can't blame the global elite for Nassim's lack of evidence.
dudepal187 6 months ago
@dbfan2scfan Use Occam's razor here. The explanation with the least assumptions is probably the best one. When we look at the evidence, we see none supporting aliens or advanced technology like what Nassim describes. The facts just don't support it. Humans are capable of amazing things and most of the wonders of the world are products of specialization and innovation as a result of huge prosperity and exchange. Yes, there are mysteries, but Nassim's "answers" are assumptions. Not facts.
dudepal187 6 months ago
can anyone tell me what year this was??
dalastemo 11 months ago
Why doesn't anyone ask the simple question: What method did you use to calculate the mass? Or how do you know the mass? Where did you find out that that was the mass?-This audience seems to take him at his word on the measurements for such a big claim. That tells us something about them which in turn...
ryanb126 1 year ago
@ryanb126 Exactly :-)
The kind of people who question charismatically-presented stories before accepting them as truth are not likely to be found paying money to see this guy speak.
(Actually, as those who have tried will tell you, if anyone questions his authority he takes pretty swift action to make sure they really don't want to stick around.)
TheBobathon 1 year ago
@TheBobathon
Yeah, I saw that really long meaningless letter he wrote to you to refute your arguements about his claims and yours as well. He really said nothing and answered no question directly. He sounded much more like a politican than a scientist. I know a real scientist would not be concered enough with an anonomous critic to waiste time writing a 30 page refutation that really says nothing. I don't even think he orginated his Theory, see Dan Winter. Still don't go for it though.
ryanb126 1 year ago
@TheBobathon
Here are at least 3 things he must explain, if he wants to be taken seriously:
1. How can Aurora in Jupiter ingite its surface and create a second star in our solar system? i. A gas giant on fire is not a star, it has no nuclear fussion
ii. Jupiter has very little oxygen in its atmosphere, thus the chemical reaction needed to make fire cannot occur.
2. If black holes exist on the surface of the Sun "Sunspots", why is the Suns surface not deformed in these regions?
ryanb126 1 year ago
@TheBobathon
3. If we are to take all ancient history as factual scienctific evidence as he does many times, why is the world not flat and the earth not the center of the solar system or for that matter the universe.
As for the theory its self, here's a simple question. Where is the math? Hiding it all in sigularities is just saying, "I don't know what my theory is as it can never be solved"
I respect you for taking the time to de-bunk this guy-there is enough bad science as is.
ryanb126 1 year ago
@ryanb126 Thanks bro :-)
These are good questions to put to Haramein.
I'm afraid that if you can get any kind of response, he'll use it to insinuate that your questions show that you've been brainwashed my mainstream education. It's pretty much the only line of defense he has.
He may well also instruct you in dozens of entirely irrelevant things that mainstream science doesn't have answers to, to give his illiterate followers the illusion of your viewpoint being undermined.
He's a proper weasel.
TheBobathon 1 year ago
@TheBobathon bobina, do not bash his "followers", i am fascinated by the things he says and am far from illiterate. you are a proper weasel, going through every one of his videos and trying to make him seem illegitimate from your anonymous position on the internet. if you think he is actually a charlatan, then address him face to face and put it on youtube. then people can make their own judgements.
thirdeyeblind3 11 months ago
@thirdeyeblind3 People can make their own judgements just fine without having to see something on YouTube. I'm not "trying to make him seem illegitimate", I'm explaining why he's wrong. I don't see any reason why he should be immune to criticism. He talks crap and pretends that he's an authority and pretends that it's science, and that's not right.
If you want to follow him out of fascination, that's fine, but don't expect others to keep quiet about his dishonesty just because you like him.
TheBobathon 11 months ago
A comet tail is somehow like a "shadow" made of sun wind (light particles). They seem to orbit in a highly stretched eliptic orbits in one focus of wich seem to be the Sun. They are something like a meteors that would leave tails of "air-shadow" and own matterial falling apart of them.
adXok 1 year ago
Alex; Because comet orbits are Eccentric (elongated ellipses) they spend most of their time far away from the sun, frozen.
They speed up closer to the sun, spending little time there, during which they heat up from their frozen state (which takes time), partially melt, and lose gasses, water vapour and dust (tails and coma). Each orbit they get smaller, and are observed to fade over time.
Eventually they can lose all volatiles and become "extinct", an inert rock like an asteroid.
Karma01010 2 years ago 4
BLATANT editing of the soho footage to make it look like the CME deflected the comet! Totally dishonest.
Then a guy in the audience KNOWS that the size of the comets gas-dust coma does not relate to a "huge gravitational field" - whereupon nassim flounders, ignores the question by changing the subject. His uncomfortable body language absolutely screams "deliberate liar".
Karma01010 2 years ago 12
if you freeze frame this clip at 3:42 then you will see that the comet is wroughly 20% the distance from the sun than mercury is now we know mercury has a surface temperature of 430c how can a small body of ice an rock servive 430c+ without melting entirely
alexofgummie 2 years ago
Yeah, the video was obviously edited. The actual video is easily found and it's quite apparent. It's unfortunate because I think Nassim is on to something with his theories but when you manipulate the facts to make your ideas stronger than it throws everything else so far into doubt you can no longer accept it. sad really...
stevemac11 1 year ago 6
@Karma01010 The guy was just trying to argue with Nassim on any grounds he could find.
MertezAad 1 year ago
keki, the core of the biggest comet ever seen was only a few tens of km, the mass and gravitational pull of a solid body of that size can easily be calculated, it is TINY compared to planets. This comet was probably less than one km in size. Do the math!
Karma01010 2 years ago 6
ureallidiots; Just another fact-free post. ROFLMAO!! Refute anything that has been said to destroy nassims truly pathetic errors about the comet. Hint; Take astronomy 101 before you make another stupid comment.
Karma01010 2 years ago 2
@Karma01010,
Why so they can tell you incorrect information like how planets have circular orbits which come back on themselves while they also tell you the universe is expanding?
kekikamiller 2 years ago
It is a very obvious pattern to the discrediters like indie3 and Karma01010. I you visit their channel you will find that they often have 0 upload wiews, are grey and anonimous, have 1 to 5 subscriptions, 0 to 5 subscribers, seldom any friend links or they have links to power-building, they have no comments or only hate mails and they never post any uploads. They will argue on anything, have no friends yet their comments are the only ones highly rated. YOU DO THE MATH
Block´n ignore!
I´m out
ureallidiots 2 years ago
There is little point in even replying to Alexofgummie, looking at his other posts you will see that he spouts nothing but reams of unpunctuated uneducated drivel.
However, the physical difference between a comets solid core and its tenuous tail is like comparing a Glacier to a Cumulus Cloud. The wind can move clouds but not mountains, just as the solar wind can move comet tails but not their core. Comet tails have very little mass or gravitational pull, they just look large. Nassim is wrong.
Karma01010 2 years ago 7
@Karma01010,
How is he wrong? He states that most comets are rock and ice and if it is a normal comet, the gravitational pull would have been enormous for its size.
The tail doesn't even need to be considered.
kekikamiller 2 years ago
What is WRONG with you gummie? You don't understand ANYTHING. A comets tail is VERY THIN DUST AND GAS, it is VERY lightweight (low mass) --- THAT IS WHY IT ALWAYS FACES AWAY FROM THE SUN ! Because the light solar wind can PUSH the LIGHTWEIGHT TAIL, whereas it does not push the small solid core.
For gods sake, gummie, go and READ ABOUT COMETS somewhere before posting ignorant crap.
KatieSpecks 2 years ago 6
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Karma dont talk daft if the tail is so big then the mass has to be huge too or the thing would melt entirely an there would be no tail at all what element is light enough to be a solid an vapourise to create a tail an not melt so fast to dissappear entirely when been that close to the sun answer that 1 all that steam if thats what the tail is made of vapourised ice has to weigh quiet a lot I'd say
alexofgummie 2 years ago
It was an ordinary comet. A small core, no more than a few km across. A large (but lightweight) gas-dust coma and tail. A trajectory entirely predicted by simple Newtonian Orbital Mechanics. It didn't budge from that trajectory in any way. The coronal mass ejection was coincidental and had no effect on its trajectory.
Even Nassims body language gives away the fact that he is MAKING UP deliberate LIES here. (OR he is abysmally ignorant - but I think he is actually a con artist out to sell DVDs).
Karma01010 2 years ago 8
Umm please tell me, if there was a huge comet that supposedly would've done changes to us but they didnt occure then what happend, there was a comet but no effect, little green men?
or its not a comet...
panzarw 2 years ago
The comet was called C/2002 V1 (NEAT).
Like all comets, it had a small solid nucleus, surrounded by an enormous halo of very thin dust and gas weighing very little. Light reflecting off this thin coma makes it look large. The solid nucleus was 0.5 to 0.7 kilometers in diameter. That's about 260,000 times smaller than Jupiter!
This was just another comet from the hundreds seen from the view of the SOHO satellite.
indie3 2 years ago 17
@indie3
So what is your response to the second comet?
Kennbrooks 2 years ago
@indie3 Comets are not dirty little snowballs. The secret is out shill. wise up.
sonofhendrix 1 year ago
yeh, it get's a bit more laid back for a while.
camiller3754 2 years ago
The audience is not adhering to the original guidelines and we are continually interrupted by questions.
drew511 2 years ago
The idiot thinks the comet had a "huge gravitational field"!!! ROFL!! In fact, the comet consisted of a VERY SMALL CENTRAL CORE, surrounded by an EXTREMELY THIN cloud of gas and dust which made its optical image look large (2x Jupiter). But it's MASS was TINY !!! So its gravitational pull was also TINY !! It would have had NEGLIGIBLE gravitational effect on Mercury, or any other planet. What an idiot!
indie3 2 years ago 16
Hmm. An asteroid with the double weight of jupiter would had a massive effect on us yes. Or perhaps double size.
So i guess your right. The weight must have been small although it was perhaps surrounded by a huge gas cloud
stormrain71 2 years ago 20
Tiny. LoL
camiller3754 2 years ago
Please indie3, tell us.
How exactly massive was it? (Specifically)
You professed to know but didn't expound.
camiller3754 2 years ago
I've read planets/moons get thrown around as weapons in intergalactic wars. If that's occurring here, maybe someone/something is defending.
randoolymiester 2 years ago
I believe the thunderbolts guys (electric universe) has explanations on this as well. The electromagnetic interaction between the Sun and the comet (or whatever object that is) increases as it approaches. Therefore also the sun flare. Why is Nassim's commet about the Vatican edited/cut at 00:38 ?
CrabHunter 2 years ago
from what i understand, the tail of the comet is the debris it throws out. rather like a snail leaves a trail. if this is true, then the comet's tail shoud have a spiral like tail as it bends around the sun.
here, the tail itself seems to move and i didnt think that was possible. can someone explain that please?
tintaal 2 years ago
tintaal: you refer to the classical explanation, that, as you're pointing out, doesn't all make sense. The tail of the comet is rather plasma filaments, charged particles from the comet, that reacts with the particles streaming from the sun. The second issue: the comet tails in this video is (according to Nassim) edited in by NASA, as the original video was taken off the server for a while. So, they probably have fake dynamics anyway.
CrabHunter 2 years ago
the tail always is in oposite direction of the sun, because the solar radiation pushes it away... dunno if that is what you're looking after.
Quinctius 2 years ago 5
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Taunt86 2 years ago
ok but the fact is that many of the stuff from this guy is just pure speculation, I think h should concentrate more on the vacuum study otherwise all his work will go unnoticed
dumbnetworks 2 years ago 2
and another thing the entire disk is the size of the sun not just the small one, what a fk is wrong with this guy??? he is the disinformation champion
dumbnetworks 2 years ago 7
The small one is the sun's surface, the larger the corona.
periurban 2 years ago
there is no such thing as "sun surface", just for your information
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
From wikipedia
The Sun's radius is measured from its center to the edge of the photosphere. This is simply the layer above which the gases are too cool or too thin to radiate a significant amount of light, and is therefore the surface most readily visible to the naked eye.
All relative, I suppose, but the corona is extensive and too bright for the SOHO sensor to cope with. The nominal surface is represented by the inner circle.
periurban 2 years ago
From the SOHO web site
The white circle shows where the Sun would be if uncovered.
periurban 2 years ago
fair enough
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
this is comet NEAT
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
didnt they try this in star ship troopers ?
good to have friends out their
271975hctruth 2 years ago
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robertojerez 2 years ago
try your best not to be afraid... What ever these changes are, they are all part of the natural (or unnatural) birth, death, rebirth, and transformation of the cosmos. As our knowledge of the universe grows, we cannot but understand how much we do not understand..... this is life...
survival12345 2 years ago
holy shit im happy that comet didnt fuck us up
nasherboy112 2 years ago
Great great. Its all about ETs. Thats why governments try to cover them up.
drekecdrekecadrekecu 2 years ago
It was much bigger than that. From near mercury with a tail to the end of earth, that's larger than a mere twenty earths measurement.
101408blogspot 2 years ago
So 5 videos ago we were hearing about the pyramids in China, amazing how all of this connects!
Rupona 2 years ago
this is the one of the greatest video series i have ever seen
100000000000000/10
igethigh 2 years ago
I believe this to be the most significant video on the net. If Nassim is correct, then he deserves the Nobel Prize 10 times over!!!!!
bedesoner 2 years ago
we should inhabit mars too like the aliens who inhabit 3 planets!
eliden 2 years ago
4 planets, if u are going by the glyph reply next to the radio telescope in England.
cod2maz3 2 years ago
well we can't venus and mercury are too hot for us to even land on...
2 would just be awesome enough...
if jupiter would combust into a sun, maybe we can inhabit one of its moon!
eliden 2 years ago
:( me encantaria que esté en español o subtitulado.
kambafe 2 years ago
twice the size ..corona yes .... maybe .... no data on nasa sights/ soho. N.H. exagerating .
BuffaloB0b 2 years ago 6
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obeliskbreaker 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Where are videos 31 and 32
tadeboer 2 years ago
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tadeboer 2 years ago
There is nothing in this universe that is worthy of your fear. We all want to know more, but I insist there is nothing to be afraid of. Fear is what has been used to control us for so long, throw it away. We are infinite, so it's cool. This does not mean we can just sit back and watch things unfold, the real threat is on this planet and we must take measures to protect ourselves but any traditional means of resistance can't be expected to work, we must invision a totaly new human experience.
obeliskbreaker 3 years ago 4