Saigon:"Word Play & Metaphors Don't Make You Nice"Part3 of 3

[juicelab]

"when you write something that can change somebody's life, thats powerful.....thats Jay Z.....Thats Nas, when he wants to".......HAHAHAHHA

[sonofliberty0687]

YOU said it but i wann fuk wit yah and see yah beats

the truth is you have ambition and faith in yourself before u can something for others.

[sonofliberty0687]

YOU said it but i wann fuk wit yah and see yah beats

[whaddupcuzzz]

I don't completely agree with him on that. Punchlines and wordplay make you nice. They just won't make you a legend. But they still make you worth listening to. If Eminem never started making songs like "Stan", "White America", and "Lose Yourself", and he just stuck to punchlines, people would still like him.

After he said, "you're not a prophet" he looked like he was ready to leave the interview. LOL

[prebefore]

Saigon the shit...Real talk

[o0206XingYiQuan0o]

real talk, we are those older jacks now and we do need to correct our sons on this BS culture wit the tight jeans looking like shorties stretch pants. everybody walking aroung with these highlighter colors on and shyt wit the crazy looking shoes lookin like those nasty ass ed hardy shirts, n shukin & jiven wit these dances. in 95 when i was a shorty it was kani jeans(or fatigues), Tims(goreTex boots), hoodies, wu wear T wit the jansport on my back. SO i totally concur wit that whole synapsis

[MrAloo14]

dey got kids wearin skin tight jeans hahah

[queenofda804]

Word play doesn't make lyrical, flow doesnt make you lyrical, metaphors don't make you lyrical, deep messages alone don't make you lyrical if you can't expand, .... BUT IF YOU COMBIND ALL THAT- THAT'S LYRICAL. Thumbs up!

[kingpolo88]

i,ll smack the shit out of one of yall niggas who say this dude not nice.and he did to joe buddens and he not a battle rapper.this a real dude.he teach the youth instead luring them into the hands of the beast unlike these other cats so fuck off wutang forever ya digg eat a dillsnick

[godflowdorian]

well actually wordplay and metaphors do make u nice.. not great but nice yeah... so wtf he talkin bout ,

[TrueHopTunes]

start at @ 1:33... what Saigon says here and the title of this video; prime example of this is Lil' Wayne.

[TheGeneralOfStreets]

hes the type of person who sees the fake in those who pretend to be real the so called leaders of the new age music industry hes right though skinny jeans are for faggots and the only reason people spit punchlines and metaphors is because they dont know how to be straight up down to earth artists need to stop bowing down to the record companies and getting dicked to make profits for big businesses sell it yourself cut out the middle man fuck what yall think

[BmGbeats]

@TheGeneralOfStreets REAL TALK!!

[BmGbeats]

@TheGeneralOfStreets i'm an example of the down 2 earth artist u wuz talkin' about... reverb nation dot com forward slash bobbysbeats

[KJtheMC]

LOL. he actually thinks Obama will change the world

[godflowdorian]

@KJtheMC lol i know right

[SirBIOHAZARD]

This is the truth right here Im always thinkin the same thing in Brooklyn why are teens wearing those skinny jeans that shit aint cool

[babygirl77518]

I don't care what nobody says, this dude spoke the TRUTH! Some people live in a fantasy world where they think everything is so great cause it's in NOW.

[ViceVersa05]

obama hasnt made an impact on anyone let alone the ghetto

[fightinray]

Annnd Joe Budden smashed him lyrically. He don't understand or respect punchline Hip Hop because he can't do it. What REAL emcee doesn't want to make a crowd laugh and make people rewind their shit like 5 times cuz the metaphores are so dope??

[fightinray]

This dude is a clown and a coward,who has no idea about TRUE Hip Hop.Ill punchlines,metaphores,similies n wordplay is everything 2 me.Who gives a fuck about another dumb ass rappers life story?I heard it all before-yeah,yeah,ur life sucked,u struggled,ur dad wasn't around,u got no money.Who hasn't been through that shit.If I hear one more fake ass rapper talkin about struggle when they're drivin a benz I'm gunna blow my own head off.When I hear Hip Hop I want to hear how clever u r. thats an MC

[Iraistheking]

@fightinray hatin ass bitch

[fightinray]

@Iraistheking you're an idiot. and you may even be less clever (if thats possible) than saigon. How in my statement was I "hating" in any way. Just speaking the truth.

[Iraistheking]

@fightinray speaking ur opinion, which is far from tha truth...just because u dont like it cuz jump off dicks in yo ass doesnt mean people dont like Saigon...btw Saigon smashed Budden in that battle

[fightinray]

@Iraistheking you know nothing about hip hop huh?? figured as much...

[LONDON1KaZR]

@Iraistheking LMAO budden trashed dude...Saigon is not better than Joe Budden dont be ignorant.

[iLLSzMAtiC]

damn finnaly somone tells the truth

[BloodyHarry456]

i love you sai giddy but you said thats pac jay z and nas. you forgot biggie. and jay z doesnt say any real ish hes a gimmick rapper and hasnt said anything deep his whole career

[JimastaJ]

@BloodyHarry456 That just shows you never really listened to Jay-Z

Jay-Z- Regrets, Jay-Z- Momma Loves Me & basically any Jay album you get he will give you one real song

[ThaTrillMagician]

Yo, Sai. Art is subjective.

Everyone has a different eye/ear.

One person may listen your music for the beats, the other for the message, the other for the rhymes, etc.

Now there is bad art but art is not the same.

For example, when I was younger I liked ORIGINAL hip hop. You know the 1970s/1980s ways of hip hop. You know what I'm saying. The Sugarhill Gang type funky shit, Big L, Percee P, Notorious B.I.G., etc.

[emceeL]

Nas is probably the most Balance rapper out there. Hes every concious, knows how to make a hip hop/club banger (HERO), makes money but not a sell out and keeps away from going to commercial. Hes also SUPER lyrical but not a metaphoric freak while super meaningful with messages that touch people.

[2AP4Yoo]

@emceeL Lol listen to Nas track ft. Chris brown and tell me in your right mind if you still think hes the "realest" rapper out there. The man is a living contradiction. He doesnt live what he preach. He's still a strong lyricist but he's not revolutionary. *cough *cough Immortal technique * cough

[juswolf22]

jay-z hasnt changed anyone life w/ lyrics . maybe nas but jay-z always talkin about money or some shit, nas do shit for people like street dreamer or some shit

[dberger26]

Its revolutionary.......not only is saigon one of the greatest rappers OF ALL TIME, he is an individual dedicated towards helping the impoverished in not just his community, but, as the man said, ALL OVER THE WORLD. Very inspirational.

[7807087]

and he says Jay Z touches people, and send messages....yea right

[7807087]

nas is a lyricist, Pharoe Monch, Black Thought is a lyricist, Mos Def is a lyricist....saigon is an idiot, the way you put words together, makes you able to pain those pictures that ghost face, and raekwon do

[dberger26]

@7807087 of course the lyrical part of it is important, what sai is saying is that to be truly special you have to use those skills to say something meaningful, not just spit out a bunch of bravado

[emceeL]

Yo i dont think u fully understood what saigon ment. Maybe you haven't even heard the rappers he was trying to point out. He was talking about people like Papoose (alphabetical slaughter type) and such. Dude talib and mos are like the ultimate mind stimulators thru rap.. Its more like Corey Guns, Chino XL, KaBoom and such.

[7807087]

thats a part of being a lyricist, i find it pleasing, and i measure rap skills from word play and metaphors, it amazes me the way some people formulate the english language into something that i have to rewind 5 times, its not everything but it sures add depth, talib kweli is a lyricst

[Maurcas1]

but more of Saigons songs are on some thug shit. he occasionally drops a song with a message so what he talking about?. metaphors and a message is good, but everybody who picks up a mic doesn't have to be a teacher.

[imag06]

pac was da best at wat he did ...which was make consious music..an talk about real shit...but he wasnt advanced in anyway lyrically....which is wat bein nice means lol...so he wasnt da illest...he was da realest....2 different things

[imag06]

i seen dat video..an i kno all about pac exposin da illuminati but does dat have anything to do wit rap skills?? NO LOL...so dat doesnt make him "da illest" lol

[doblephilo1]

clear example is cory gunz.....the nigga can run circles around alotta rappers...but after he's done that where's the message?

people dont be on "lyrical mood" all day everyday.... u have to have a balance between the 2.....i think thats why alot of these underground rappers dont make it...they dont know how to balance their music.

peace

[doblephilo1]

u must be able to do both in order to be powerful.....u need to get peoples attention...so wordplay and metaphors and punchlines will do that for you.....once u get their attention then u start spreading ur message....some dudes just get caught up on bars bars bars metaphors all day long...they do say alot but at the same time they dont say nothing....

[brucenatelee]

Saigon is a great rapper, but I need to hear skill, not just preaching. I need vocabulary, flow, and figurative speech. I will say that if your raps are about something, then you don't need these. But if you're about nothing that matters (money, drugs, hoes, and none related to something worthy of being about something), then please use skill.

[kiyacampbell]

@brucenatelee listen to saigon letter p if you wanna hear wordplay, siagon has done that already, he has a message to send to all people.

[7807087]

@brucenatelee exactly man, saigon said the whole rhymesayer crew is wack...come on did he even listen to Brother Ali?

[imag06]

wordplay an metaphors definately do make u nice lol......notice how he sed wen u cud rhyme an change sumbodys life ..dats wen u powerful...dats true....but is powerful nice? or is powerful is powerful? lol two different things boy boy

[gripstealz]

why does everbody worship 'pac? fuck a tupac!!! most over rated artist of all time... he was a damn dancer turnt actor turnt rapper. fuck that!! he never rhymed past the dr. suess level. anything he said wasnt even that prolific. why do ppl think he was so nice?? oh yea.. R.I.P. no disrespect to the deceased.. but damn

[yerizzity1]

Nigga what are you saying, you getting thumbs downed on u tube. In cali you will get the beat down. Dont say shit about Pac, you dont know by now why Pac was the shit then you will neva know. go listen to soldier boy or new boys skinny nigga

[brentcarlos1]

it's also because he was an activist for the black movement, he sold the most records ever in the rap industry, caused a lot of controversy which i hate to say and well he kept it real on all aspects of himself trying to portray the man as more than just a gangbanger.

[moef51]

Saigon is the truth but its sad because the record labels wont give real music a chance

[jayrich1]

skin tight jeans, lmfao....saigon,maino,tru life....realest dudes

[MMPTgoblin]

Fuckin A Dizzler don't get all technical about this. You are way over analyzin this shit. He speaks tru shit in my opinion. He's got good lyrics and they make sense and are real shit. I'm no dick rider but Saigon is a great lyricist.

[Jdizzler14]

i agree! from wat iv heard he is a very good lyricist but im just saying wat he said in the interview was either phrased wrong or jus wrong!

[Jdizzler14]

i think saigon could have phrased this a lil better lol

theres nothing wrong with the use of metaphors, i mean thats a good skill if used right! tech uses them very cleverly a lot! but there is some rappers who use them too much to a point that u dont even kno wat they mean, it sound all subliminal!

but then theres the point that saigon cud have similes mistaken for metaphors cuz rappers like wayne jus use childish similes all da time!! tupac changed lives but used metaphors skillfully too so!?

[YoungTopGun]

i think what saigon is trying to say is, you don have to say punchlines or wordplay to be nice. cause if you compare 2pac with biggie for example, biggie obviously had better punchlines, but since pac was real as fuck, and on my opinion, more real, people liked pac more than biggie. yeah you can have multies and punchlines and metaphors. but if you suck at it and dont make sense, then all those punchlines you said wont help you be a nice rapper.

[Jdizzler14]

too true! i agree 100% with what u say but not as much saigon lol

i presume he means what u said but he jus phrases it wrong! if he phrased it like how u did then itd be alrite! but he seemed to diss the use of metaphors rather than just say metaphors arent the main factor in being a good mc!

[YoungTopGun]

yeah, i agree also, he should of said metaphors aren't the main factor in being a good mc. and yo, im not here to promote my music or shit like that, but i would like for you to check my music out cause you seem to know about hip-hop. just go to my channel, my song is called, Keep It Real. tell me what you think, if it sucked or if it was hot, i really dont care, lol i just want to know what people think about it.

[BornInNahhTwo]

honestly though, who the FUCK is saigon? i agree with some of his words but come on though.

[dulaone]

Where do I start.

1st off we're shitting on emcees that use metaphores & wordplay now? 2nd I didn't realize how uneducated Saigon was, his reference to metaphores sound more like similes & punchlines and even then they don't nessarily have to be used in comedic text. 3rd Nas uses metaphores & similes in his shit so what the fuck is he talk'n about not only that but wordplay in hiphop is used as better ways of flippn rhymeshemes something he does in his shit & who care if catz wear tight jeans

[xsosior]

royce and and joe budden really gotta stop with all those lame metaphors..

fucking pisses me off...

[shadowh4ck]

you have to touch people. but truth is.. self expressions a ton of it. there are a lot of artists that don't touch a lot of people that are straight ill as fuck. lupe is one that wordplays a fuckton and will never get the attention these other fools do even though his material is the hottestg

[Defjukie101]

thats bullshit.....wtf.....I use wordplay and I make sense in my rhymes and he's shittin' on us lyricists?? asshole...thats 1 thing that I don't condome on the same level as him

[RoboticZombieNinja]

Its true. Anyone can sit down and writhe some lyrical shit, but does that make it good Hip-Hop?

[imag06]

who sed anthing bout gud hip hop?

he mentioned bein nice...an wordplay an metaphors do make u nice...u cud be da best hip hop artist makin gud music...an not be nice at all lol for example: tupac was no where near nice....he had simple bars...but is considered one of da best hip hop artist of all time

[PopakaPopStar2000]

yes the fuck it does make you nice,but the constant use us simple punchlines get annoying thats why its hard to listen to alot of cassidy cuz every other word is using "like" or "as" but its cool tho i rap and i use punchlines but im clever and i dont overdue it but if u dont got no swift wordplay,sharp lyricism,hot bars,subject matter,u cant fuckin rap,and this comin from a 16 year old,im just sayin no disrepect to nobody that feels different but daz how i see it

[wwesuperstar1234]

I think metaphors and word play make you nice but great, though they are a part of being great. That's part of the reason I got tired of Wayne, he doesn't have much substance behind his lyrics.

[Jdizzler14]

"like" "as" are used for similes! hes talkning about metaphors! which is similarising something without using like or as!

i do think dat similes are overused to a point dat its not good rap like lil wayne who sucks!

but metaphors can be cleverly used and are cleverly used by brilliant mc's! i do believe dat without subject matter a rap is meaningless like wayne or fiddy! wayne:"i move da crowd like moses, like da red sea i wear red like roses!"

dats like most of his lyrics! he sucks lol

[PopakaPopStar2000]

i agree wit chu on dat

[thevu62]

lmao wayne is whack. he think hes the shit.. i hope he knows that theres something called pink and white roses too :P

[DanDeDa1st]

you dont need to bueprint out a message your message is your music but wen it comes to being a lyricist i beleve you need everything as for da commmnt under me b.i.g did have a message wit his music you juss gotta listen to it

[darrenjohnfrew]

big l didnt really have a message does that make him weak? same with Pun, BIG, Jadakiss and there all nicer than Saigon i dont agree with that point but i am a saigon fan

[DineroNJ]

lol he half way dissed nas but he was right

[RealspitHiphop604]

thats nas "when he wants to" yeah word

[provizion519]

his best song was a play on words lol " the letter P " feat. kool g rap...dope track

[malsweet217]

thas whassup..about doin community serivce stuff

[HailSyria]

I love saigon and his music and all but I remember on the "war remix" track feat. NAs, at the end of the song he was saying shit like : fuck mixtapes, I dont need mixtapes and bla blah... then I watch this video and hes telling us to listen to his mix tapes.... Why you gonna say fuck mixtapes then make 6 of em and tell us to listen to em?

[Andrefondrei]

cause most of the rappers is hypocrite. in one of the other vids he says that he is trying to make kids stop hustling and shit and go to school, and in his lyrics he is talking about killing people

[finness35]

he speaking the truth right here..just started listening to royce 59 and i am feeling him..i want to see dudes get back to where it started from speaking about something all the car and money crap is fantasy that's why ppl rock to it cause they living a fantasy world all the damn time.(one i m gonna be big crap) knowing damn well he not even trying to do something..half assing all day.move ppl move ya feet..what's good saigon?

[dknight416]

jay z touches people? he buys his lyrics...

[598214]

u right nigga i dont like pop nigga a t l niggas

[NewVegasPatriot]

word play/metaphonres= a point

lyrical miracle= scrabble

[silents08]

Dont know about jay z

[bluethesaint]

Right now, LYRICS DONT SELL as much as catchy phrases...not to mention its a LOT CHEAPER to pick up a dance rap group, post a song, get some return, and DUMP THEM, then work with an artist and try to IMPROVE AND CHANGE MUSIC, rather than follow trends and actually CREATE them from nothing but what THEY want to sell.

[romeregular]

yo niggas need to support real mcs like saigon joe budden royce da 59 crooked i

[stupidmoney12]

i can feel you on that shit

[HipHopHermit3000]

I disagree that word play and metaphors don't make people care about you. People will care about you somewhat. You can sell units from doing lyrical-miracle stuff. But you still wouldn't reach legendary status based on that alone.

[IamHiphopwhoareU]

Saigon is what? This dude is rappin bout he is Jay, NaS, and Big in 1. He aint done shit for hip hop yet. He is flat out trying to out wit buddens, let alone talk about that shit. The only highlight in his career is being on 'Rising Down'. He has many critics to answer with this album, it seems to have been shelved they way it has been pushed back. Saigon is fading away.

[ckDEEWEEZYck]

He is saying that is the type of stuff he does. you forgettin the next line"There's no lil wayne or T-pain in my veins"

[haze4dayz01]

Saigon is a punk bitch from the valley. FUCK HIM

[lolimmichael]

and its to bad buddens didnt touch this man, hes gonna get smacked up by saigon and the track pushin buddens is a rediculous diss track and tore buddens up and thats exactly why buddens came out and said the beef is done after that cuz he knew he was done when goin up against saigon

[mrexclusive28]

lol that's funny, cuz Joey put a foot in this nigga's ass with his diss track....

[lolimmichael]

ludacris lyrically tear up saigon hahahaha

that just proves you dont even listen to saigon fool saigon is lyrically one of the better rappers around right now and when his new album drops in 09 u should prolly buy it because its goin to be an album worth paying for unlike the other shit thats been out

[coreynj17]

yo saigon really yo ludacris will lyrically however you wanna put it will will tear you a new ass hole ..ur out of line for that.

[Drooid25]

DeviantAtavist were you even listening to this interview? you fucking tool.

[XDaC09]

its too bad budden crushes him in both categories

[labratprod]

Every black man in Amerikkka needs to have Saigon & Dead Prez in their collection. Straight up.

[DeviantAtavist]

He's talking out the side of his neck. Seriously.

" You aint nice, you gotta be able to MOVE somebody nigga The wordplay shit is old. ".

The Greatest Story Never Told better be the best album ever. He was also on Kanye's dick during this interview which contradicted everything he said about rap being conscious, speaking to the kids, etc.

[DamevsDame]

shut yo ass up nigga and drop an album

[antwizzy814]

so hold on what make u a nice mc saigon??????

[mattbane]

This motherfucker here!!! Goddamn!! He's one hard to like individual..(I'm trying) If he only let his talent speak for him, he'd be a much more loved Mc. The shit coming out his mouth is as stank as Tru Life's mutterings(I think that's his name.. Another talented dude who talks too much shit)

[VERSONECOMPLEKS]

man i love saigon as an mc and wat not but i gotta agree with you. them too mufuckas always talkin shit when the music was enough to make me feel them! but still i think saigon is one of the last left of the "REAL" MCs. the last of the pacs, bigs, nas', and jay-zs. no doubt!

[ChrisStylezZ3]

lmao Thats Nas when he wants to. Thats for damn sure

[lazyheathen]

*you not a prophet*

[OZilla612]

saigon is too real fo yo ass

[JustTip]

Oh, and by the way, he's not breaking his neck to get into the industry. He's already in it. Unfortunately, he hasn't had a good experience with it. And you can't possibly tell me, these cats rapping now are talented. Hip Hop went down the tubes. We advanced for the worse, not better. I'm a female, and it's bad when I have to say Hip Hop is wack right now.

[dufawn]

he's not in the industry! thats y he cant speak on his situation, who's he signed 2? u cant say cause he cant even say. i can make a mixtape!-its nothing steal a proven hit rhyme over top of it. if hip-hop is wack go make comments about your favorite country tune. by the way knockin somone elses situation because ur unhappy with ur situation is hatin'. the fact ur female means nothin, u still wrong!

[ckDEEWEEZYck]

Until a few months ago when HE MADE THEM void his contract he was signed to Atlantic Records, dumbass. A google search of his name could've told you that. And he is supposedly made them void it so JAY-Z could sign him. Shut up if you are going to say something stupid

[VerZiKaL]

no hate, dude thinks way to highly of himself. ofcourse wordplay & metaphores don't MAKE you. they are merely just an asset, an IMPORTANT ONE thought, they're 2 of the categories which seperate rappers apart interms of talent, smell me?

[dlacc187]

that nigga really feelin' himself. no one else is.

[ElMastero]

Saigon is correct, anyone who disagrees is a fan of DJ Khaled affiliates (even though Rick Ross is cool)

[MisterTWol]

This nigga Saigon....I have never bothered to listen to even ONE of his songs. He boasts too much. If he was as good as he says he was, he would be talked about waaaaaaaay more.

[CocoaLuv22]

i agree, i think plies said it best- the most unsuccessful rappers are the biggest haters and the most critical... a lot of what he says is right though... i think he would have a better career as a rap A & R at some label..

[MisterTWol]

Like Wayne, he doesn't even consider himself the best rapper anymore. He says to think what you think but it ain't gonna change him one bit. And I am by no means "hating." I'm sure Saigon is good if I got time to listen to him. And he says wordplay doesn't matter...is he drunk? That's like saying you don't have to rhyme for it to be considered rap. With no wordplay in rap, you just have.....boring old poetry.

[tommygunn06]

that nigga sayin sum real.lol "they got lil boys wearin skin tight jeans yo.. skin tight jeans!!"lol its so true.

[Crimdelacrim06]

No he's not, you gotta understand what he's trying to say....his point is that you gotta be able to do more than that to be considered nice...kind of like a Lupe, too many dudes walk around rapping metaphors all the time but cant write a song about nothing, thats his point, he just said it wrong

[dufawn]

no one twisted his words, u just reading 2 much into it. he sounds crazy, this is y noone outside of his burrough knows him. he's speaking on who's wearing tight jeans in the industry, but scared 2 say who he's signed 2? he might better refocus on his carrer. y hasnt he dropped 1 video, single, or album on a national level? he's not that nice.

[Crimdelacrim06]

Nah dude, you dont know what you're talking about...as an mc and as an artist I know exactly what he's saying and he's right. There are millions of dudes that wanna rhymes that just throw a bunch of metaphors and shit together which is hot but not all the time.....number 2 he's not scared to say who he's sign too, he's being a smart business man, you dont talk about things like that till they are finalize or you're allowed to.

[ckDEEWEEZYck]

plus who brags about who they are signed to??????? noone goes "yea, thats right. Its Universal in this bitch"

Saigon was TURNING DOWN deals, stop hating motherfucker.

[Crimdelacrim06]

No disrespect or nothing but before you make a comment you should actually know what he's talking bout and to be real he isnt the illest lyricist but he has a message and he talks about real shit so you gotta respect it.

[Crimdelacrim06]

Also, he has 2 videos, and whether or not he's done that has nothing to do with the argument because the music game is not about talent its about conforming to what they want and he didnt. You gotta realize that he was signed in a time where the gangsta rap shit was the thing and he was not doing that so its hard for a artist to do what he wants when they label doesnt want that.

[dufawn]

i have 2 of his mixtapes, he's not that nice. he's a local mc, because u rap doesn't give u the inside track on what's going on his carrer. check my comments, u gettting off subject. i said u have 2 have a message.-remember that. but metaphors and wordplay have have made the biggest names in rap who they are. he talks like he has the secret 2 success in this biz, he doesn't.-he's local, like u.-no disrespect.

[Crimdelacrim06]

No I'm not actually I was responding to each part of ya comment but I guess that we can just agree to disagree.

[JustTip]

How can you say he's not a nice MC though? Yes he is. And listening to two of his old mixtapes is not even getting into half of the music he's got. I guess you and other people say that because he's not the blue print of what a rapper is right now. And yes he can speak on what the industry is about right now. He's in it and experiencing it first hand hands on. He has to deal with these people and these rappers. You don't. So what he's local he's just starting. You have to build your name first.

[dufawn]

did u even listen 2 the maddness he speaking, commenting on dudes w/ tight jeans, cant confirmed being signed 2 a label, talking about everything wrong wit the industry--that he's breaking his neck 2 get into? a bunch of hatin'! metaphors, substance, and wordplay are always welcome in hip-hop. u can twist it how ever u want, check biggie, nas, big pun, jay-z, and rakim's metaphors, substance, and wordplay.-then pop in that saigon, and replay this interview.-holla

[JustTip]

It's not hate. It's an opinion, which he has a right to. You guys talk about the very same things all day, but when a rapper says what he feels, it's hating, and he's not suppose to say it. Like it or not he does have a point about what the game has become today. And just because Nas, Pun, Jay and others were good at word play, doesn't mean that's all an MC is about. It doesn't make you nice because you do word play. Again, he has a point. There's no authentic talent anymore.

[calibear7]

2pac didnt have as much wordplay and metaphors, and he turned out to be one of Hip-Hop's greatest MC's... Metaphors and wordplay do play a great part in Hip-Hop, but saigon was just saying that you dont need it to be a great MC... again, look at pac..... THATS THE TRUTH!

[dufawn]

2pac did use metaphors quite often, he did not use alot of similies (like or as), check me & my girlfriend the most blatent display, but u r correct about his lack of wordplay, & being 1 of the greatest.

[calibear7]

right right... I wonder how they're going to view pac in the new biggie movie, especially with the whole pac and faith situation....

[dufawn]

good question, i gotta c it.

[prototypedahype]

yo you need to Peep wat sai is trying to explain to you man... he is saying the best rappers touch your soul with their music not just fuckin with your mind all the time. Punchlines is cool but look at cassidy he has mad punchlines but do you feel him spittin from the heart... No he just fuckin spits and that it... Saigon is sayng its deeper than metaphors thats all. If BIG and Pac were just spitten out random metaphorical thoughts they would sound like Lil wayne since tahts all he does.

[ckDEEWEEZYck]

Lil wayne has NO metaphors. He has PUNCHLINES. There is a difference. Lupe Fiasco uses metaphors,MF Doom uses metaphors. Lil wayne has punchlines.

[prototypedahype]

no he has metaphors what the fuck you talkin about you want me too pull a list of all his so called punchlines and metaphors come on man stop it man. LLoyd Banks has punch lines, Cassidy has punchlines, Big L had punchlines, when you compare something with words like "Like" or "AS" thats a punchline you feel me just like a simile. When you talk about something with out drawing a connection with such words it is a meataphtor and lil wayne does that alot too but that still dont make you nice OK

[ckDEEWEEZYck]

no, like or as makes it a simile but has nothing to do with it being a punchline. A punchline is something that is supposed to be funny or amusing

[vperception]

no,,,, ok i wont bother with dictionary terms, cause they are different to hip hop terms for punchline and metaphore

but in hiphop a punchline is when u have a set up bar, and then u end it ,,,this is usually done by ludacris and alot of underground battle style rappers,,

then metaphor in terms of hiphop covers both metaphors and similies,,, and is when u make draw a comparisson with the subject matter ur spitting about

like ludacris, and alot of underground cats,

[ckDEEWEEZYck]

WHAT???????? Lupe is full of Metaphors and wordplays but they all have messages. Lupe is one of them who have the complete package.

[myrhymestyle]

@ckDEEWEEZYck dnt feel lupe

[jebidiax]

jay z uses metaphores and wordplay

hes talking out his ass

his organization is non profit cause no one cares

[dufawn]

since when have metaphors and word play been considered wack? he can't be serious. of course like anything else when you speak you are expected to have a message, a reason for speaking. but to say word play dont make you nice, hasn't that been new york's argument against southern rappers? he talking out the side of his ass!

[calibear7]

read what Crimdelacrim06 said, its true

[dufawn]

check my reply 2 crimdelacrim06, thats the truth!

[pageturna79]

You better than Luda??? Get the fuck outta here!!(in my italian voice)LOL!! Luda need to start ghost writing too!! Any nigga who is a radio DJ then makes music will always be on top!!! At the same time he can make a video for every track because it all has crossover potential!! Luda dat Boy to me!!

[Dsick757]

real talk saigon... cant wait 4 the album

[Miloransu]

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