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see CO2 is a trace gas comprising 0.039% of the atmosphere...and there goes the problem
The way chemistry works, is that in sufficient quantities, anything can become toxic. Vitamin C can kill you, if you take enough of it.
Since Co2 is in such a low concentration in our atmosphere, it is for that reason that humans can have an impact on it. We dont only breath it, and plants absorb it, but cars/energy/growing meat/etc etc produce super high levels of it + cutting down our forests = GCC
on nature's Co2; Most plants evolved in far higher Co2. Today most still prefer 1200-1500 ppm, far above anything we can achieve outside a greenhouse unfortunately.
There is no 'natural' level of Co2 over Earth's 4 billion year + history it has varied wildly. The higher levels are the most beneficial to plants and hence all life on Earth.
Even IF man-made global warming was fake...wouldn't you just want CLEAN air/water and preserve natural resources no matter what side of politics you're on???
Being "green" will do tremendous and needless damage to the economy, and to freedom. What Wall Street did is irrelevant to that.
There is plenty of rich industry making clean energy: coal and nuclear.
Ultimately, this isn't about making clean or green anything. It is about hindering one type of industry through legal fiat and pantheistic faith and bolstering a much less efficient industry by the same.
Huh?!? CO2 IS a pollutant. In can be toxic in high concentrations. Moreover, CO2 is not the only thing coming out of a tailpipe or coal power plant.
CO2 is also a greenhouse gas. The more there is, the hotter the planet. Simple science. That's why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though Mercury is closer to the sun.
CO2 has everything to do with "cleaning the air." NO one wants to "tax" CO2, that's a Repub spin on cap and trade which is a goal to limit CO2. We can limit CO2 & still make $.
Wow. Now I see why America is done for. I could see arguing economic policy, but GW is as solid as gravity. I'm a H.S. Sci teacher and let me see if I can't clear up a few things.
It's too simple to say CO2 is pollution. It depends on the context. Yes plants use it. Yes you breathe it out. But if you went into a room w/ too high of a concent. it would kill you. Yes, it's scientific.
You have it backwards. Sci is not disagreeing only politicians & talk show hosts. Case in point SENATOR Inhofe
W/O CO2 in the atmosphere, the Earth would be TOO COLD! Thus, too much, it gets TOO HOT. Simple science proven through facts & apparent (as I mentioned before) on Venus
I don't know where you're getting your info, but I'm guessing Rush L. Glen B. or some other similar (not scientific) source
Your cap & trade logic is off. Even IF man is producing less that nature. It's still MORE than nature would produce on it's own. You made my point.
" too Cold with no Co2/ so too hot with too much Co2".
The crucial factor overlooked here is the logarithmic nature of Co2's greenhouse effect
The more added, the less additional effect. doubling Co2 would have a direct warming effect of perhaps 1C. to add another 1C would require an additional doubling
This is why the direct warming from our Co2 presents no threat
'TOO HOT' can only be achieved through positive feedback loops as exist solely in computer simulations, not science
Again, no scientists contends that we can add enough Co2 to have any direct significantly negative warming effect.
But Venus is a good example of one of the benefits of the GH effect.-less violent weather. Venus at 880F has almost no weather/wind, because it is evenly heated.
I.E. it is the contrast in temp, not temp itself that energizes weather.
Similarly on Earth, some GW would, on net, slightly pacify our weather systems.
Doesn't look like I can convince you & I don't want to waste anymore of my time since 1 thing I've learned in my 30+ years here on Earth is that you could show someone an orange & make them eat it & they'd still call it an apple
On that note, I'll leave you w/ this. If I'm wrong & GW is all a joke/plan/scam/etc at least we were better safe than sorry & hopefully got some clean air/water/cars out of the deal
If you're wrong...What good is __ on a dead planet?
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Those who know this GW charade is a fraud, all you have to do is explain to people that besides the nut job Al Gore being involved (the Al Gore who helped bring us the economically & environmentally destructive NAFTA, GATT, & WTO)
just tell people they have a Railroad Engineer in charge of the IPCC
How many IPCC members are also Lionel train collectors, or are model railroaders like their chief Choo Choo Charlie?
I would suggest researching all aspects, not just one opinioin. You of coarse would not suggest that because you dont want people to have a well-rounded understanding. You yourself do not have a well rounded understanding - if you did you would not be trying to uphold a already collapsed fraud.
Sign-on deadline for the COP treaty was Jan. 31/2010. Yet no countries signed on... wonder why...
Bullshit, the only truth is that the alien robots from planet niburu are going to cause global warming which is why we need 96% of our income taxed....If we don't give the government all of our income the alien robots are going to enslave us all and rape you in the ass gay or not.....
You look at all these debates you see the same pattern, believers offer insults, ridicule, but very little scientific understanding of the issue. for the 'science' they can only refer to the opinions of discredited advocacy groups like IPCC, GISS, CRU etc.
It's not because they are stupid, many are intelligent and well meaning, but when you really like the political 'solutions' anyway, you have little motive to investigate the 'problem'?
Too often those that can't grasp the fact that humans are degrading habitability choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence. The studies are solid and there are many, many of them. They span decades and were completed around the world in many different countries. But some just can't accept it. So along come a few emails that suggest that some data may have been manipulated by a couple individuals and naysayers go hog wild because they lack anything else. Sad.
Preemptive to what? If the data is wrong, like the emails suggest, then what are we preempting? Spend Billions just in case. Bankrupt a country jusy in case? Stop supporting your team and think about what is happening. If you want the truth, you will explore all options.
You can believe whatever you want. When you start pointing your legislative finger at me and other innocent free people then HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Keep it in the classroom, keep it in the Popular Science magazines. Don't tell me I'm to blame for anything. The earth is 4 billion years old. It's gone through warmer and colder periods constantly. Our paltry amount of time spent on here is inconsequential. You can't even fathom the hundreds of millions of years. Think about it.
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What do conservatives win if global warming isn't real? What's wrong with preemptive measures, transitioning away from fossil fuels (which put crap in the air that we breathe), with those things?
Jesus, why do you think that whoever believes in acting to mitigate climate change is trying to take over the world and.....kill people?
You need to get past the "isn't real" part. 30,000 climate scientist's refute the master climatologist Al Gore of his suckers. It's just another ploy to get things moving toward a one world government and another way to tax and transfer wealth. Duh. Carbon dioxide actually helps with plant growth. There isn't much we're going to be able to do to get the likes of China to play along. And also, how are we going to get the undersea volcano activity to cease and desist?
They're not 30,000 climate scientists. Jesus, haven't you seen the refutation to that idiotic claim?
And please, enlighten me as to how it's a ploy to create one world government. Weird non-sequiter, imo.
Also, even if CO2 helps plant growth, it doesn't matter when climate change messes up regular growth patterns, rendering any benefit of increased CO2 null and void. In addition, when a crapload of fertile land in places like India, etc. get flooded or dry out due to climate change, less food.
Have you read any financial analysis on this and how it would effect each taxpayer? The US would be made to funnel $BILLIONS to third world countries and potentially crippling our economy. How does that cool the earth? It doesn't. That is what tells me this is all about the money.
It is all so unbelievable. The stakes involved are immense, were talking about a country (U.S.) being driven into the ground. It is amazing that Al Gore is putting so much on the line with his lie. If it all comes out he is definetly going down and will be discredited forever. Wow, what a risk. It makes me wonder why he would gamble like that. There must be something else going on behind all of it. The guy is already filthy rich so it wreaks of deeper conspiracy.
Oh yes. The truth is hidden by all the facts, huh? Silly.
Read what the experts have been telling us for over 30 years. HUMANS are warming the planet mostly by burning fossil fuels and clearing the land. Don't believe it? Why not? What are these superior sources you rely on?
Gore is a distraction for some. Sorry, but he doesn't do science but only raises awareness.
Google... Scientific Opinion on Climate Change Wiki
Im not saying this for certain. But its worth considering given the recent doubts raised about this, that its not nearly the crisis they scared us into believing. In my last post I said it will drive the U.S. into the ground,, and it will. Not only that the whole treaty is a "bad deal" for the third world countries that sign on. In all truthfulness, cutting off the supply of fossil fuels to them is a death sentence. Is the slight rise in temps and sea level over the next 100 years worth that?
The degree of doubt is inversely related to the degree of expertise. Among those that actively work in climate science there is no credible doubt. For those that have consumed garbage that inhofe and the vested interests like CATO and CEI spread, then the doubt is higher.
A few emails from some individuals doesn't overturn over 30 years of global science.
No, there is no bases to say that investing in the wellbeing of our future generations will ruin our economies.
Also, it appears the very same scientific community that is warning us about this impending doom of man made global warming were also scaring us that we were headed for another ice age in the 1970-80's. That does not help their credibility at all. There is too much fear and scare mongering in all of this, when deep down we all know that were fine.
This has nothing to do with fear mongering. It's who you rely on for credible science. All the historically reliable institutions understand that we have a climate problem that humans have created. The vested interests and individuals that say otherwise don't have the research behind them.
As for the 70s cooling issue.
Google... Study debunks 'global cooling' concern of '70s - USATODAY
Consider also that that was over 30 years ago and we've come a long way since then.
Again, this treaty is a death sentence to the developing countries and third world. That is an absolute fact. And you are supporting this. You may think Im exagerating or making this up, but these countries are already on the edge of starvation. You cut off their supply of fossil fuels and they are doomed. The science behind this does not pose a bigger threat than that. If you could be the one to make this all happen and you knew they would die in mass, would you "push the button".
Sure, I'm convinced. I'm convenced by the overwhelming evidence. What do you rely on?
You make false assumptions about "cutting off fuel supplies" to developing countries. Try reading a few books on some of the more likely approaches to curbing emissions.
You honestly dont see the political and financial scam of this? China, India and Mexico will take the industry sectors around the world because they dont have a COP treaty. The same amount of co2 will be emmitted only it will be them that are emmitting it. This treaty will not change anything towards reducing co2, but it will make some people very very rich. This is actually no secret at all. Whether your convinced on the data or not, this wont change anything.
I see the science. Why can't you? Denial? Looks like it.
Why can't you find any historically reliable scientific institutions to support your opinion? Must be a world-wide conspiracy that knows no boarders and spans decades, huh? Try some honest research of the issue.
We here in the US and Europe are responsible for most of the CO2 in the atmosphere. We have benefited from this pollution and should be the first to take meaningful steps to curb emissions.
yeah your right, the sun has NO EFFECT on climate. Nobody want pollution, this however is not about saving the planet. You actually trust your political leaders with their track record?All my opinions are based on research. Im not in any sense of denial, thats a clever yet useless attempt to insult me. I imagine you havent really looked into the COP treaty that is going to cripple your country and the others that sign on to it. I live in Canada by the way.
I did not mention the sun. Think that big ball was overlooked in the research? Are you just a silly kid?
Your opinion is based on research? Let's see the foundation for your opinion then.
The COP treaty has NOTHING to do with the science. Have you read The Charney Report compiled by NAS in 1979? Not likely. Their findings have been reinforced time and time again. HUMANS are degrading our only habitat. This is a fact. You have nothing credible that says otherwise.
Your aware that NASA is under investigation right now for the same data fixings as IPCC, check it out if you dont believe me. That doesnt mean their guilty or anyone else, it obviously gives rise to scepticism though. All I have been saying is that it is politicaly and financialy a scam. The science and politics are intertwined in this.
The foundation for my opinion is that the IPCC and NASA are under investigation for fraud, extorsion and a whole list of crimes. Is it that ubsurd of me then
Its really interesting and quite baffling to me how you think I owe you something, that I answer to you in some way, that I should try and prove myself to you and get your approval. You are very mistaken. I have looked into the topic for many many hours. Why dont you come up with support to your opinion. Remember the incrimintaing evidence is against YOU right now, not me. It is the IPCC that is going to have to defend themselves, not the investigators. Your right though, its bye bye. lol
You owe me nothing. You should owe yourself and our future generations an honest review of the facts. Of course, it's your choice.
The emails you refer to are nothing compared to the overwhelming debate. As with the IPCC, take out all the work those individuals had anything to do with and you still have a mountain of evidence supporting AGW.
Tell me, where are the studies and/or credible institutional support that says humans are NOT warming the planet? Sorry, there isn't any. Why not?
Well, first off a scientific study never sets out to prove or disprove anything. That is what was done here obviously. They set out to prove that it was real. That is in itself a conflict of interest. Now that the IPCC is implicated in premeditated fraud and extorsion it is actually up to them to prove it is real, not for me or the investigators to prove its not real. Thats how it works. Money and corruption run this world, science also. The sooner you figure that out the better. Youve been had!
They set out to prove that it was real? What tha? Where's your bases for that conclusion?
Like I said, if you don't like the IPCC findings then through them out. Then consider what you have left. ALL of our historically reliable scientific institutions have concluded that HUMANS are warming the planet. True story
What you have apparently been consuming is corporate sponsored propaganda. The vested interests want you to believe there's doubt where no credible doubt exists. Youve been had!
Just to point out, the propaganda is on both sides. Your blind to it and your cause if you dont see that. Its all a big media mess like usual. People everywhere quoting this person or that statistic - meanwhile all of them are questionable - there is too much greed and corruption to trust anyone. Its our own senses that we should return to, and mine are spot on. There is no danger in this world but corruption itself.
Both sides? That is a problem you have. You THINK that there are to CREDIBLE sides. There are not.
I notice you provided no support for your position. Think you can understand or begin to understand the extremely complex climate science without reading about doing some honest research? You may kid yourself of this but its a delusion.
Again if you can find any credible support for the naysaying side, send me the link. If you can't find any credible support consider why you can't.
Here is just a guess. I send you a link and then you say their deniers or their proponents of big Oil,,,, right? I mean, Ive been through all of this with many other people already. It has become tiresome and pointless. You assume way too much. I have read about it,, in great detail. Im not here to say its real or not and I not once attested to that. I have no intention of persuading anyone, but you certainly do. Ill leave this by saying Al Gores movie was full of lies, and there documented (EU)
I said there is propaganda on both sides. Of coarse one is actually accurate and the other is not, however both sides dish out exagerations etc..Look, there ARE countless counter arguements to man made global warming - and yes they have phd's. There are web sites and videos on here. If you want to look at them yourself go ahead. I have no agenda here at all, you on the other hand are obviously not sure of yourself or you want to prove how much you know, both of which dont interest me.
There are NOT credible arguments that support anthropogenic warming. There are web sites sponsered by corporate/conservative think thanks that try to make the uninformed think there is a credible naying argument. Sorry, they don't have the scientific studies behind them. If there were credible studies why haven't you supplied them after repeated requests?
Gore's movie full of lies? BS again. You're easy prey for the disinformation campaign.
lol, O.k. I havent given into your demands because basically I dont care what you think and I have nothing to prove to you. You obviously want this to end with you being right and me being wrong - it isnt going to happen. Saying Al Gores movie isnt full of lies is sooooo ubsurd. It is documented by the European Union. Even the IPCC debunked his claim of sea levels rising by 20 feet. If you dont believe me or you disagree with me fine. I dont care.
The IPCC specifically EXCLUDED sea level rise due to the ice shelve collapse due to complexities not sufficiently understood. Gore talked about this scientist estimated sea due to the Greenland or West Antarctica ice shelves collapse (17 - 20 ft each). Read the IPCC summary that is available on the net if you don't believe me. Anything else about Gore?
I entertain myself by pestering (bugging) those that hold the irrational naysaying opinions. They are defenseless. I'm cruel I know.
lol, you certainly are. In a strange way that ammuses me so I really dont mind. By all means, continue probing people if that is what feels right to you. I am telling you right now though that you should persue other people because you wont get anywhere with me. You see, I am not interested in arguing, debating or comparing data. People really need to question their tendency to fear life. To fear everything under the sun and then fear the sun also. It is stagering how much we invest in fear.
I'm open minded. But the problem is that all you can do is make baseless accusations. Your position is terribly weak as a result. Life support won't even help it. I've offered support for mine.
You won't accept the most reliable experts in the field.
You can't find any credible studies that agree with you.
You even attack Gore trash talk that has no bases in reality. (parrotting propaganda)
If you read about it "in great detail" GIVE ME YOUR SOURCES so I can also be enlightened!
Well if thats the case and I am making baseless accusations, my position is terribly weak and life support cant even help me,,,, then why are you bothering with me and keep coming back. Leave it alone then. I dont have a single thing to prove to you, I dont care what you think. I have no interest is citing things I have read or looking for them again so I can prove myself to you. Who do you actually think you are, lol. Your like a pesty bug that just keeps flying around me, lol. Move on.
Your assuming nature is astounding. Its intuition that mankind has lost, it is this that it needs to develop again. If you think scientific study carries more weight than you very own supercomputer and extrasensory perception than its because you have allowed those to stagnate. There is no threat. I know this but I cant pass that knowing on to anyone else. Besides that Ive read about this topic and researched. Search your feelings, there is no threat. Only corruption and deception are a threat.
You know there's no threat but you can't don't know why? What tha? Sounds like a belief system unsupported by imperical evidence; sort of like a religous cult maybe?
I do hope your other life decisions are more rational, you know, based logic, evidence, and reasoning.
P.S. I notice you said nothing about my debunking of your comment about Gore. Yea, best you stay away from the facts.
There is no point in countering your arguement about Gore because its a dead issue, its a fact that he lied in it. The IPCC, in their own data and projections, dont show anywhere near 20' rises in sea levels over 100 years. They show around 2'. You really didnt read what I said, yet again. I say it very clearly that I am not afraid because I know there is no threat. I cant pass that knowing on to anyone else because its intuition, Yours is clearly not attuned. So keep running around afraid.
Isn't it interesting that ReduceGHGs keeps saying read and educate yourself. This is because he is one of those intellectuals that lives in a dream world that books of fiction provide him. Reality is not his realm.
yes, they all say that. Its the common words of these people. It really seems like its just a bluff because if anyone does actually read and educate themselves they will find the whole theory is wrought with corruption and deception.
I have come across many "youtube accounts" that say the exact same phrases as ReduceGHG's - word for word!
I also checked back on an Al Gore video that was uploaded years ago and found ReduceGHG's spamming heavily for the last 2 years there. Looks suspicious.
You have allowed the world and the fearful people to convince you to be afraid. Fear is the mindkiller. People all over this world scurrying around franticaly in fear of one thing or another. There is nothing to be afraid of, there is no threat. You can say I am naive, misinformed or just plain dumb. I know Im not and the ceriainity I have that there is no threat cant be passed on anyways. So I am not interested in convincing you, I have no need to because I am not afraid.
So come up with a credible argument or consider why you don't have one.
I also recommend books. Based on your post it is unlikely that you have read any about this issue. There are many available. Try this site from a well respected institution.
Google... NAS Global Warming
Otherwise you are choosing to ignore the best, most reliable information science has to offer. Now why would any reasonable person willingly avoid it? They wouldn't.
Ummm, you like to believe you are very clever and know things that I do not. That I should be guided by you so I can become enlightened on the subject. I see you are very passionate about it by your callsign. But I am actually laughing at that right now, lol. I can easily say the same things you said back to you. You are convinced your right and I am open to all information. You are obviously not, which makes your approach very unscientific. Avoid it?? You are seriously not good at what you do.
All oil and gas companies... Inhofe is a transparent puppet of big energy interests and Alan Carlin isn't a scientist... show me a report that says climate change is a hoax and I'll show you which energy company paid for it.
The UN gathered 52 scientist/bureaucrats who falsified historical climate data and created computer models that don't work. The models' inability to backcast the past decade of flat or even cooling climate testifies to the UN's failure. This "science" is anything but settled.
Yet, we are now asked to regard life-essential carbon dioxide as a pollutant and lay usurious taxes on Americans in pursuit of this lunacy. I sincerely hope Inhofe is correct in his prediction of DOA in the Senate.
@Juxtaroberto Is that what the granola eating teacher in your envir. sci. 101 class told you? *sigh* Since global cooling in the 70's was proven wrong and now global warming has been proven wrong did you help come up with that new catchy name, climate change? *sigh* Did you watch "An Inconvenient truth" a few times and now your an expert? *sigh* Do you still buy into Gore's bullshit cause he needs suckers like you to buy his carbon credits to heat his 8 homes and to defend rape charges.*sigh*
For real people don't worry about the SUN, look at this chart. There is only a few human errors in it. But don't worry about that.... See how the line angles up. That means we are all going to die. Don't panic though. Al Gore is here.
Liberals: OMG... become vegetarian save the planet. No save the polar bears. Oh they are suppose to swim, I mean save the little fish that get stuck in the irrigation. Oh crap they grow vegetation. God I'm hungry, fuck the little fishy.
There is NO global warming never was. We have cooled a degree. Polar bears are multiplying, Gore LIED and said polar bears were dying! If anything we are headed into an ICEAGE!
So what do you say to Al Gore about evangelizing things that are, at best, pure speculation? And at worst, lies and propaganda? Do people even realize that the people behind those computer models he cites actually disclaim them saying specifically "these are only one possible outcome and should not be relied upon for policy-making"?
Geez...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
You've made no case here, other than to shout a lot.
You employed the key word here; "believe". You are talking about your beliefs, not facts. Ergo you are making my point for me.
Therefore, rather than point out the many flaws in your reasoning, I will let your ad hominem comments, spelling mistakes, and vociferous shouting speak for itself. While you may be myopic and disturbed, you are actually saying more to awaken people who care about knowing the realities of this highly contentious issue than anything I could say in just a few words here.
Global warming of a climate, is the fact which is not requiring proofs.
The problem of global warming and it is obviously necessary to plant as much as possible trees. can not you plant trees, we are already doing it for you.
Each person, should in the life, construct the house, grow up the son and plant a tree.
cap and trade is all about getting money out of us nothing more. they can't even go into detail about how it will help the climate just generalization.
You do know that cap and trade enacted against sulfur dioxide reduced acid rain right? And it would help in the same way, reduce amount of carbon dioxide and you reduce the amount of heat retained.
Inhofe is my favorite Republican fascist retard - and that means something cause there's so many. You can tell he really savors the ignorance, he lets the idiocy roll around like a fine wine. You gotta respect a man who is professionally mentally ill.
this global warming scam is the excuse thats being used to regulate the american manufacturing industry out of business, it's one of the reasons companies are moving out of america, just wait till cap in trade goes into effect and drives the rest out of business.
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. There is no truth to global warming or climate change, only human opinion.
If you are like me and one of the many others out there who is skeptical at the politicians and the so called experts claims that we are all doomed then this is the site for you.
Global warming is a fraud. The term "global warming" is a phrase coined by politicians pawns in the media. What they don't tell you is "global warming" means global population reduction.
When these people say they want to "control global warming" that means they want to control the population (globally) and reduce the population (globally).
Instead of these people plainly telling you they want global population reduction, the phrase "global warming" is a term that is more accepted by the masses so we can think that allowing these people to "control global warming" will be a good thing to save the environment.
Their agenda has nothing to do with "saving the environment". These people want to reduce Earth's population and have dictatorship over whoever is kept alive.
What is the ideal human population, conservative? There are 6.7 billion humans on the planet already, do you really want to see what a planet with 12 billion people looks like?
Conservatives love living in the sewer of their own pollution.
Do you also wear tinfoil hats and think the government covered up Roswell? Do you believe Bush orchestrated 9/11?
Until you can back up your conspiracy theories with credible sources, they deserve nothing more than mockery. Sadly, many people are weak minded enough to eat up these baseless claims, because it gives them a means of escaping the reality of the situation. They don't want to believe AGW is real, the science is against them, so they cling to conspiracy theories.
Sadly, the only "weak minded" people are the masses who believe everything the media and government tells them without doing their own research. Watching your television and being spoon-fed lies from our controlled media and government is the means of escape for people like you.
Good luck at the doctors getting all three of your "swine flu" shot this fall. Oh, and independent research from credible sources have already shown that Bush and other American traitors orchestrated 9/11.
I don't depend on the media for information about global warming, and I'd ask you to debate me about global warming but clearly you're a screwball conspiracy theorist donning a tinfoil hat.
Okay DeusExMachina7709, since you're such a subject matter expert more than anybody else here (including the guy in the video who said this is all bullshit), give your theory on why you support global population reduction (a.k.a. global warming).
Inhofe is an anti-science republican with no education whatsoever in climate science.
I merely report the scientific consensus on global warming. I do understand the fundamentals, but there's so much material it would be tedious of me to list all of it. Instead, read the IPCC AR4. Very good overview of the science.
ipcc-wg1 . ucar . edu/wg1/wg1-report . html
Tell me where you disagree with the scientists and we'll go from there.
Your weblink is irrelevant. You have your view of global warming, and the elitists have their view of global warming. People like Al Gore and David Rockefeller have been talking about their opinion of global warming since the late 1980 - early 1990s, and they've been saying the same shit since then: there are too many people on the planet.
There's nothing you can say to justify global population reduction. No one gave these people power to play God by trying to decide who lives and who dies.
This is another debate entirely, but those who advocate reducing population don't advocate murdering people, they advocate imposing birth caps and subsidizing prophylactics.
I don't necessarily advocate either side, I simply think we should cut carbon emissions.
These elitists have always promoted killing people. That's why they start wars, keep GMOs in the food supply, pollute our water supply with fluoride and other poisons, and why they're trying to get Codex Alimentarius and HR 2749 passed so they can have total control over the food supply (this coming fall most likely this fake flu pandemic will be used to justify passing both of these bills).
Another thing, "imposing birth caps and subsidizing prophylactics" is Eugenics.
Nice way to try and make people look inferior who won't play into you bullshit theories. Try harder :)
That means if a woman ends up pregnant after her second child she will be forced to either put the third child up for adoption to be placed with a family with less than two kids, or abort the third child.
If you don't want to "debate" then either block me or don't comment anymore. Yes, it really THAT simple.
Not only have you proved that YOU'RE an inferior brainwashed jackass, you also lost this "debate" once you decided to resort to insults. You just proved you don't have an "inking of understanding" of the bullshit you chose to support.
Help the elite with their Eugenics plans and go hang yourself. Fuck you and your climate change theories, schmuck.
Even if there's not EXACTLY 30,000 scientists who want to sue Al Gore, there are scientists who already said this whole thing is a farce. Face it mate, you don't know everything. Your comments about global warming and climate change are nothing but your own opinions and assumptions.
Moving on from that petition, there are credible scientists who said global warming is a fraud. There are also architects, engineers, and scientists who conducted their own investigative research and came to the conclusion that our government orchestrated 9/11. I will trust these sources over our corporate controlled media and government any day.
According to you all of these people are conspiracy theorists too. Anybody with an opinion different than yours is a conspiracy theorist.
You do realize that you are talking about murdering human beings, I thought you were a liberal, instead your just an idiot. I am guessing you favor nationalized healthcare to help human beings and yet you have the audacity to say here that you want to help murder other humans, have you ever listened to your own rhetoric.
James Inhofe should be held for criminal charges! He is a disgusting LIAR!! And he knows it!!
Viracocha711 1 week ago
"Organized Crime in Charge of EU Carbon Trade, Europol Says"
/watch?v=oL-e33oaI94&feature=channel_video_title
CRAPCANNONS 4 months ago
The Senate and Congress should be ashamed for their ignorance, denial, lies and general incompetence regarding climate change. Get educated here: ClimateProgress . org -- ClimateCodeRed . net -- It's deeply irresponsible to not take substantial action to prevent further catastrophic climate change. BeyondNuclear . org -- EverythingNuclear . org -- ucsusa . org/nuclear_power/ -- nirs . org -- thebulletin . org -- NukeFree . org -- uspirg . org -- Greed for energy is poisoning future generations.
gregjalbert 6 months ago
This is the same dude who thinks homosexuality is a sin and is proud there ain't no homosexters in his family.
squamish4244 6 months ago
".... many years ago when I first realised this thing was a hoax..." LOL
DudeThinking 1 year ago
Fox news entertainment PR crap. Don't believe Fox News OR Inhofe, they are both stupid zombies. They don't care what they have to say for money.
cypress1337 1 year ago
Nightversionn 1 year ago
a regular consumer of fox 'news' told me that a lit birthday candle had more heat, than a bath tub full of warm water.... sigh...
markofthebeasts 1 year ago
the UN scientists didnt "falsify data"....etc
fuck you NAZI (incatchaos)
stopglobalwarming08 1 year ago
LOL ALAN CARLIN IS A FUCKIN ECONOMIST !
restlys 1 year ago
Again our Co2 is not 'dirty' or 'unclean' in any way. It is no different from natural Co2.This is a very popular misconception.
It is colorless, odorless and completely harmless
Co2 in our atmosphere is produced mainly by natural respiration and used by plants in photosynthesis. It is literally what makes our planet green.
Honest!
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
see CO2 is a trace gas comprising 0.039% of the atmosphere...and there goes the problem
The way chemistry works, is that in sufficient quantities, anything can become toxic. Vitamin C can kill you, if you take enough of it.
Since Co2 is in such a low concentration in our atmosphere, it is for that reason that humans can have an impact on it. We dont only breath it, and plants absorb it, but cars/energy/growing meat/etc etc produce super high levels of it + cutting down our forests = GCC
restlys 1 year ago
Forget science for a sec. Pretend there's no sci evidence. Ans. yes or no to the following questions
1. Regardless of economics & other failed arguments, would wind, solar, hydro, etc be cleaner than coal for energy? Yes
2. Would removing pollution from our transportation system increase health & reduce deaths? Yes
3. Would getting off of oil increase our sustainability & national security? Yes
4. Would you want the same or better life (clean too) for your lineage? Yes
Then help stop GW
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
on nature's Co2; Most plants evolved in far higher Co2. Today most still prefer 1200-1500 ppm, far above anything we can achieve outside a greenhouse unfortunately.
There is no 'natural' level of Co2 over Earth's 4 billion year + history it has varied wildly. The higher levels are the most beneficial to plants and hence all life on Earth.
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
Even IF man-made global warming was fake...wouldn't you just want CLEAN air/water and preserve natural resources no matter what side of politics you're on???
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
Global warming is fake, and we don't need to harm the economy and basic rights and enlarge government power for the sake of clean air and water.
Uvissiet 1 year ago
Your ignorance is disheartening. I don't mean that as an insult, but it is true.
As far as your comments,
1. Being "green" will NEVER do as much damage to the economy as Wall Street and the banks did a year or so ago.
2. Another "economy" point. If you can be the first to make clean energy, you are one rich company....that would HELP the economy.
I'm not a fan of the Dems, but the Glen Becks and Repubs are masters of spinning the truth and you are a product of their whole "economy" thing
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
Being "green" will do tremendous and needless damage to the economy, and to freedom. What Wall Street did is irrelevant to that.
There is plenty of rich industry making clean energy: coal and nuclear.
Ultimately, this isn't about making clean or green anything. It is about hindering one type of industry through legal fiat and pantheistic faith and bolstering a much less efficient industry by the same.
Uvissiet 1 year ago
taxing Co2 has nothing to do with cleaning the air. Co2 is not dirty, it's not a pollutant.
I'd say there are enough real pollutants and environment problems to spend money on without making ones up.
Co2 just happens to be the most lucrative byproduct of economic activity to tax. It would be very surprising if nobody was trying to control it?
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
Huh?!? CO2 IS a pollutant. In can be toxic in high concentrations. Moreover, CO2 is not the only thing coming out of a tailpipe or coal power plant.
CO2 is also a greenhouse gas. The more there is, the hotter the planet. Simple science. That's why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though Mercury is closer to the sun.
CO2 has everything to do with "cleaning the air." NO one wants to "tax" CO2, that's a Repub spin on cap and trade which is a goal to limit CO2. We can limit CO2 & still make $.
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
H20 can be toxic in high concentrations and has killed many more than Co2!
But it's not a pollutant and neither is Co2
The concept of Co2 being a pollutant is political, not scientific.
Unless your lungs create pollution?
all plant life thrives on pollution?
most life on Earth evolved during periods of far higher atmospheric 'pollution' than today?
No serious scientist would make these claims, politicians, journalists, celebs maybe.
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
Wow. Now I see why America is done for. I could see arguing economic policy, but GW is as solid as gravity. I'm a H.S. Sci teacher and let me see if I can't clear up a few things.
It's too simple to say CO2 is pollution. It depends on the context. Yes plants use it. Yes you breathe it out. But if you went into a room w/ too high of a concent. it would kill you. Yes, it's scientific.
You have it backwards. Sci is not disagreeing only politicians & talk show hosts. Case in point SENATOR Inhofe
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
As a greenhouse gas, Co2 is benign in Earth's atmos. and is not a significant driver of climate.
Ordovician ice age=4000 ppm Co2
Cap and Trade carbon credits mean paying the government to produce the same nutrient that is produced in far higher quantities by nature.
It can have any name, but it is a tax for all intents and purposes.
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
W/O CO2 in the atmosphere, the Earth would be TOO COLD! Thus, too much, it gets TOO HOT. Simple science proven through facts & apparent (as I mentioned before) on Venus
I don't know where you're getting your info, but I'm guessing Rush L. Glen B. or some other similar (not scientific) source
Your cap & trade logic is off. Even IF man is producing less that nature. It's still MORE than nature would produce on it's own. You made my point.
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
" too Cold with no Co2/ so too hot with too much Co2".
The crucial factor overlooked here is the logarithmic nature of Co2's greenhouse effect
The more added, the less additional effect. doubling Co2 would have a direct warming effect of perhaps 1C. to add another 1C would require an additional doubling
This is why the direct warming from our Co2 presents no threat
'TOO HOT' can only be achieved through positive feedback loops as exist solely in computer simulations, not science
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
The Venusian atmos is almost pure Co2,
Again, no scientists contends that we can add enough Co2 to have any direct significantly negative warming effect.
But Venus is a good example of one of the benefits of the GH effect.-less violent weather. Venus at 880F has almost no weather/wind, because it is evenly heated.
I.E. it is the contrast in temp, not temp itself that energizes weather.
Similarly on Earth, some GW would, on net, slightly pacify our weather systems.
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
Took me awhile to reply, sorry
Doesn't look like I can convince you & I don't want to waste anymore of my time since 1 thing I've learned in my 30+ years here on Earth is that you could show someone an orange & make them eat it & they'd still call it an apple
On that note, I'll leave you w/ this. If I'm wrong & GW is all a joke/plan/scam/etc at least we were better safe than sorry & hopefully got some clean air/water/cars out of the deal
If you're wrong...What good is __ on a dead planet?
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
the wsj-foxnews-rushie ECONOMIC FREEFALL neocons is the obstruction politico of NO ... the manson i mean murdoch family (bod & largest shareholder) are led by foreigners mostly from australia & rupert's wife's born in chicom Xuzhou .. meocons CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH so they lie & lie ... ice storms & tornadoes ... predicted by global warming climate scientists (movie global superstorm) 11 yrs ago ... ice between dc to ny to dallas caused by high ocean temps ... join the fox news sponsor boycott
AgnesBojaxhiu2000 1 year ago
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Those who know this GW charade is a fraud, all you have to do is explain to people that besides the nut job Al Gore being involved (the Al Gore who helped bring us the economically & environmentally destructive NAFTA, GATT, & WTO)
just tell people they have a Railroad Engineer in charge of the IPCC
How many IPCC members are also Lionel train collectors, or are model railroaders like their chief Choo Choo Charlie?
Thisawareness 2 years ago
Educate yourself.
Read what our reliable institutions have been saying.
Google... Scientific Opinion on Climate Change Wikipedia
Read, learn, grow, and contribute.
Or, what?
UCSUSA(dot)org
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Yes and to have a full spectrum of research...
Google... IPCC fraud, NASA fraud.
I would suggest researching all aspects, not just one opinioin. You of coarse would not suggest that because you dont want people to have a well-rounded understanding. You yourself do not have a well rounded understanding - if you did you would not be trying to uphold a already collapsed fraud.
Sign-on deadline for the COP treaty was Jan. 31/2010. Yet no countries signed on... wonder why...
ptangboy 2 years ago
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Bullshit, the only truth is that the alien robots from planet niburu are going to cause global warming which is why we need 96% of our income taxed....If we don't give the government all of our income the alien robots are going to enslave us all and rape you in the ass gay or not.....
Dmac11a666 2 years ago
You look at all these debates you see the same pattern, believers offer insults, ridicule, but very little scientific understanding of the issue. for the 'science' they can only refer to the opinions of discredited advocacy groups like IPCC, GISS, CRU etc.
It's not because they are stupid, many are intelligent and well meaning, but when you really like the political 'solutions' anyway, you have little motive to investigate the 'problem'?
GuybrushThreebwood 1 year ago
Bingo.
ptangboy 1 year ago
Too often those that can't grasp the fact that humans are degrading habitability choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence. The studies are solid and there are many, many of them. They span decades and were completed around the world in many different countries. But some just can't accept it. So along come a few emails that suggest that some data may have been manipulated by a couple individuals and naysayers go hog wild because they lack anything else. Sad.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
It snowed in houston tx three years in a row!!!! It needs to be really cold for it to snow in texas. Next year it's probably gonna snow in hell.
57StatesofAmerica 2 years ago
What's wrong with preemptive measures? You would know it when you are given "Personal carbon consumption" control one day!
arthurfmh 2 years ago
Preemptive to what? If the data is wrong, like the emails suggest, then what are we preempting? Spend Billions just in case. Bankrupt a country jusy in case? Stop supporting your team and think about what is happening. If you want the truth, you will explore all options.
seimer22 2 years ago
You can believe whatever you want. When you start pointing your legislative finger at me and other innocent free people then HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Keep it in the classroom, keep it in the Popular Science magazines. Don't tell me I'm to blame for anything. The earth is 4 billion years old. It's gone through warmer and colder periods constantly. Our paltry amount of time spent on here is inconsequential. You can't even fathom the hundreds of millions of years. Think about it.
Ireg2post1 2 years ago
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Size10ShoeTube 2 years ago
What type of jobs would be outsourced?
theescher 2 years ago
Trees drink= add weight where they stand=create shade= top soil=cooling of earth=evaroration of water in top soil=humidity=oxygen=evening of storms=balance=well being of other life forms=us=health and balance. Have to go ! I'm out of oxy.....
truthiseverall 2 years ago
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weallknowitstrue 2 years ago
I don't get it. I really don't.
What do conservatives win if global warming isn't real? What's wrong with preemptive measures, transitioning away from fossil fuels (which put crap in the air that we breathe), with those things?
Jesus, why do you think that whoever believes in acting to mitigate climate change is trying to take over the world and.....kill people?
TehBlackBaron 2 years ago
You need to get past the "isn't real" part. 30,000 climate scientist's refute the master climatologist Al Gore of his suckers. It's just another ploy to get things moving toward a one world government and another way to tax and transfer wealth. Duh. Carbon dioxide actually helps with plant growth. There isn't much we're going to be able to do to get the likes of China to play along. And also, how are we going to get the undersea volcano activity to cease and desist?
ccfnw46 2 years ago
They're not 30,000 climate scientists. Jesus, haven't you seen the refutation to that idiotic claim?
And please, enlighten me as to how it's a ploy to create one world government. Weird non-sequiter, imo.
Also, even if CO2 helps plant growth, it doesn't matter when climate change messes up regular growth patterns, rendering any benefit of increased CO2 null and void. In addition, when a crapload of fertile land in places like India, etc. get flooded or dry out due to climate change, less food.
TehBlackBaron 2 years ago
Have you read any financial analysis on this and how it would effect each taxpayer? The US would be made to funnel $BILLIONS to third world countries and potentially crippling our economy. How does that cool the earth? It doesn't. That is what tells me this is all about the money.
seimer22 2 years ago
It is all so unbelievable. The stakes involved are immense, were talking about a country (U.S.) being driven into the ground. It is amazing that Al Gore is putting so much on the line with his lie. If it all comes out he is definetly going down and will be discredited forever. Wow, what a risk. It makes me wonder why he would gamble like that. There must be something else going on behind all of it. The guy is already filthy rich so it wreaks of deeper conspiracy.
ptangboy 2 years ago
Oh yes. The truth is hidden by all the facts, huh? Silly.
Read what the experts have been telling us for over 30 years. HUMANS are warming the planet mostly by burning fossil fuels and clearing the land. Don't believe it? Why not? What are these superior sources you rely on?
Gore is a distraction for some. Sorry, but he doesn't do science but only raises awareness.
Google... Scientific Opinion on Climate Change Wiki
Google... Anthropocene: Back to the limelight
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Im not saying this for certain. But its worth considering given the recent doubts raised about this, that its not nearly the crisis they scared us into believing. In my last post I said it will drive the U.S. into the ground,, and it will. Not only that the whole treaty is a "bad deal" for the third world countries that sign on. In all truthfulness, cutting off the supply of fossil fuels to them is a death sentence. Is the slight rise in temps and sea level over the next 100 years worth that?
ptangboy 2 years ago
The degree of doubt is inversely related to the degree of expertise. Among those that actively work in climate science there is no credible doubt. For those that have consumed garbage that inhofe and the vested interests like CATO and CEI spread, then the doubt is higher.
A few emails from some individuals doesn't overturn over 30 years of global science.
No, there is no bases to say that investing in the wellbeing of our future generations will ruin our economies.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Well your convinced on the topic, no need for discussion.
ptangboy 2 years ago
Also, it appears the very same scientific community that is warning us about this impending doom of man made global warming were also scaring us that we were headed for another ice age in the 1970-80's. That does not help their credibility at all. There is too much fear and scare mongering in all of this, when deep down we all know that were fine.
ptangboy 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with fear mongering. It's who you rely on for credible science. All the historically reliable institutions understand that we have a climate problem that humans have created. The vested interests and individuals that say otherwise don't have the research behind them.
As for the 70s cooling issue.
Google... Study debunks 'global cooling' concern of '70s - USATODAY
Consider also that that was over 30 years ago and we've come a long way since then.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Again, this treaty is a death sentence to the developing countries and third world. That is an absolute fact. And you are supporting this. You may think Im exagerating or making this up, but these countries are already on the edge of starvation. You cut off their supply of fossil fuels and they are doomed. The science behind this does not pose a bigger threat than that. If you could be the one to make this all happen and you knew they would die in mass, would you "push the button".
ptangboy 2 years ago
Sure, I'm convinced. I'm convenced by the overwhelming evidence. What do you rely on?
You make false assumptions about "cutting off fuel supplies" to developing countries. Try reading a few books on some of the more likely approaches to curbing emissions.
Plan B 4.0
Our Choice
And for a better foundation try,
Hot, Flat, And Crowded
The Carbon Age.
FMI also try... UCSUSA(dot)org
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
You honestly dont see the political and financial scam of this? China, India and Mexico will take the industry sectors around the world because they dont have a COP treaty. The same amount of co2 will be emmitted only it will be them that are emmitting it. This treaty will not change anything towards reducing co2, but it will make some people very very rich. This is actually no secret at all. Whether your convinced on the data or not, this wont change anything.
ptangboy 2 years ago
I see the science. Why can't you? Denial? Looks like it.
Why can't you find any historically reliable scientific institutions to support your opinion? Must be a world-wide conspiracy that knows no boarders and spans decades, huh? Try some honest research of the issue.
We here in the US and Europe are responsible for most of the CO2 in the atmosphere. We have benefited from this pollution and should be the first to take meaningful steps to curb emissions.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
yeah your right, the sun has NO EFFECT on climate. Nobody want pollution, this however is not about saving the planet. You actually trust your political leaders with their track record?All my opinions are based on research. Im not in any sense of denial, thats a clever yet useless attempt to insult me. I imagine you havent really looked into the COP treaty that is going to cripple your country and the others that sign on to it. I live in Canada by the way.
ptangboy 2 years ago
I did not mention the sun. Think that big ball was overlooked in the research? Are you just a silly kid?
Your opinion is based on research? Let's see the foundation for your opinion then.
The COP treaty has NOTHING to do with the science. Have you read The Charney Report compiled by NAS in 1979? Not likely. Their findings have been reinforced time and time again. HUMANS are degrading our only habitat. This is a fact. You have nothing credible that says otherwise.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Your aware that NASA is under investigation right now for the same data fixings as IPCC, check it out if you dont believe me. That doesnt mean their guilty or anyone else, it obviously gives rise to scepticism though. All I have been saying is that it is politicaly and financialy a scam. The science and politics are intertwined in this.
The foundation for my opinion is that the IPCC and NASA are under investigation for fraud, extorsion and a whole list of crimes. Is it that ubsurd of me then
ptangboy 2 years ago
30 yrs of science, hard to get around that huh?
Not aware of the position statements of these institutions?
NASA, NOAA, SOCC, AGU, AAAS, EPA, NCAR, AMS, AIP, NAS, and many others.
Why can't you find ANY that have a saying position?
How about The Charney Report from 1979? Was it too a scam?
I asked for the foundation of your opinion. If that's all you got I sincerely hope you make wiser decisions in the future.
No more bantering. Come up with credible support or bye bye.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Its really interesting and quite baffling to me how you think I owe you something, that I answer to you in some way, that I should try and prove myself to you and get your approval. You are very mistaken. I have looked into the topic for many many hours. Why dont you come up with support to your opinion. Remember the incrimintaing evidence is against YOU right now, not me. It is the IPCC that is going to have to defend themselves, not the investigators. Your right though, its bye bye. lol
ptangboy 2 years ago
You owe me nothing. You should owe yourself and our future generations an honest review of the facts. Of course, it's your choice.
The emails you refer to are nothing compared to the overwhelming debate. As with the IPCC, take out all the work those individuals had anything to do with and you still have a mountain of evidence supporting AGW.
Tell me, where are the studies and/or credible institutional support that says humans are NOT warming the planet? Sorry, there isn't any. Why not?
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Well, first off a scientific study never sets out to prove or disprove anything. That is what was done here obviously. They set out to prove that it was real. That is in itself a conflict of interest. Now that the IPCC is implicated in premeditated fraud and extorsion it is actually up to them to prove it is real, not for me or the investigators to prove its not real. Thats how it works. Money and corruption run this world, science also. The sooner you figure that out the better. Youve been had!
ptangboy 2 years ago
They set out to prove that it was real? What tha? Where's your bases for that conclusion?
Like I said, if you don't like the IPCC findings then through them out. Then consider what you have left. ALL of our historically reliable scientific institutions have concluded that HUMANS are warming the planet. True story
What you have apparently been consuming is corporate sponsored propaganda. The vested interests want you to believe there's doubt where no credible doubt exists. Youve been had!
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Just to point out, the propaganda is on both sides. Your blind to it and your cause if you dont see that. Its all a big media mess like usual. People everywhere quoting this person or that statistic - meanwhile all of them are questionable - there is too much greed and corruption to trust anyone. Its our own senses that we should return to, and mine are spot on. There is no danger in this world but corruption itself.
ptangboy 2 years ago
Both sides? That is a problem you have. You THINK that there are to CREDIBLE sides. There are not.
I notice you provided no support for your position. Think you can understand or begin to understand the extremely complex climate science without reading about doing some honest research? You may kid yourself of this but its a delusion.
Again if you can find any credible support for the naysaying side, send me the link. If you can't find any credible support consider why you can't.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Here is just a guess. I send you a link and then you say their deniers or their proponents of big Oil,,,, right? I mean, Ive been through all of this with many other people already. It has become tiresome and pointless. You assume way too much. I have read about it,, in great detail. Im not here to say its real or not and I not once attested to that. I have no intention of persuading anyone, but you certainly do. Ill leave this by saying Al Gores movie was full of lies, and there documented (EU)
ptangboy 2 years ago
I said there is propaganda on both sides. Of coarse one is actually accurate and the other is not, however both sides dish out exagerations etc..Look, there ARE countless counter arguements to man made global warming - and yes they have phd's. There are web sites and videos on here. If you want to look at them yourself go ahead. I have no agenda here at all, you on the other hand are obviously not sure of yourself or you want to prove how much you know, both of which dont interest me.
ptangboy 2 years ago
BS
There are NOT credible arguments that support anthropogenic warming. There are web sites sponsered by corporate/conservative think thanks that try to make the uninformed think there is a credible naying argument. Sorry, they don't have the scientific studies behind them. If there were credible studies why haven't you supplied them after repeated requests?
Gore's movie full of lies? BS again. You're easy prey for the disinformation campaign.
Ignore credible evidence? Why?
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
lol, O.k. I havent given into your demands because basically I dont care what you think and I have nothing to prove to you. You obviously want this to end with you being right and me being wrong - it isnt going to happen. Saying Al Gores movie isnt full of lies is sooooo ubsurd. It is documented by the European Union. Even the IPCC debunked his claim of sea levels rising by 20 feet. If you dont believe me or you disagree with me fine. I dont care.
ptangboy 2 years ago
The IPCC specifically EXCLUDED sea level rise due to the ice shelve collapse due to complexities not sufficiently understood. Gore talked about this scientist estimated sea due to the Greenland or West Antarctica ice shelves collapse (17 - 20 ft each). Read the IPCC summary that is available on the net if you don't believe me. Anything else about Gore?
I entertain myself by pestering (bugging) those that hold the irrational naysaying opinions. They are defenseless. I'm cruel I know.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
lol, you certainly are. In a strange way that ammuses me so I really dont mind. By all means, continue probing people if that is what feels right to you. I am telling you right now though that you should persue other people because you wont get anywhere with me. You see, I am not interested in arguing, debating or comparing data. People really need to question their tendency to fear life. To fear everything under the sun and then fear the sun also. It is stagering how much we invest in fear.
ptangboy 2 years ago
I'm open minded. But the problem is that all you can do is make baseless accusations. Your position is terribly weak as a result. Life support won't even help it. I've offered support for mine.
You won't accept the most reliable experts in the field.
You can't find any credible studies that agree with you.
You even attack Gore trash talk that has no bases in reality. (parrotting propaganda)
If you read about it "in great detail" GIVE ME YOUR SOURCES so I can also be enlightened!
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Well if thats the case and I am making baseless accusations, my position is terribly weak and life support cant even help me,,,, then why are you bothering with me and keep coming back. Leave it alone then. I dont have a single thing to prove to you, I dont care what you think. I have no interest is citing things I have read or looking for them again so I can prove myself to you. Who do you actually think you are, lol. Your like a pesty bug that just keeps flying around me, lol. Move on.
ptangboy 2 years ago
Honest research is good for you!
Google...
Sea Level Rise Could Be Worse Than Anticipated
Google...
Ice sheet melting key to sea level rise - Antarctic - Brief Article
Read, learn, grow, and contribute.
Or, what?
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Your assuming nature is astounding. Its intuition that mankind has lost, it is this that it needs to develop again. If you think scientific study carries more weight than you very own supercomputer and extrasensory perception than its because you have allowed those to stagnate. There is no threat. I know this but I cant pass that knowing on to anyone else. Besides that Ive read about this topic and researched. Search your feelings, there is no threat. Only corruption and deception are a threat.
ptangboy 2 years ago
Here's another good recent article.
Google...
Climate 'time bombs' stoke scientists' fears
You know there's no threat but you can't don't know why? What tha? Sounds like a belief system unsupported by imperical evidence; sort of like a religous cult maybe?
I do hope your other life decisions are more rational, you know, based logic, evidence, and reasoning.
P.S. I notice you said nothing about my debunking of your comment about Gore. Yea, best you stay away from the facts.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
There is no point in countering your arguement about Gore because its a dead issue, its a fact that he lied in it. The IPCC, in their own data and projections, dont show anywhere near 20' rises in sea levels over 100 years. They show around 2'. You really didnt read what I said, yet again. I say it very clearly that I am not afraid because I know there is no threat. I cant pass that knowing on to anyone else because its intuition, Yours is clearly not attuned. So keep running around afraid.
ptangboy 2 years ago
Isn't it interesting that ReduceGHGs keeps saying read and educate yourself. This is because he is one of those intellectuals that lives in a dream world that books of fiction provide him. Reality is not his realm.
rusty1491 2 years ago
yes, they all say that. Its the common words of these people. It really seems like its just a bluff because if anyone does actually read and educate themselves they will find the whole theory is wrought with corruption and deception.
I have come across many "youtube accounts" that say the exact same phrases as ReduceGHG's - word for word!
I also checked back on an Al Gore video that was uploaded years ago and found ReduceGHG's spamming heavily for the last 2 years there. Looks suspicious.
ptangboy 2 years ago
I have absolutely no belief system. I am not a part of any group whether it be religious, dogmatic or even cultist. I follow no one.
ptangboy 2 years ago
You have allowed the world and the fearful people to convince you to be afraid. Fear is the mindkiller. People all over this world scurrying around franticaly in fear of one thing or another. There is nothing to be afraid of, there is no threat. You can say I am naive, misinformed or just plain dumb. I know Im not and the ceriainity I have that there is no threat cant be passed on anyways. So I am not interested in convincing you, I have no need to because I am not afraid.
ptangboy 2 years ago
So come up with a credible argument or consider why you don't have one.
I also recommend books. Based on your post it is unlikely that you have read any about this issue. There are many available. Try this site from a well respected institution.
Google... NAS Global Warming
Otherwise you are choosing to ignore the best, most reliable information science has to offer. Now why would any reasonable person willingly avoid it? They wouldn't.
ReduceGHGs 2 years ago
Ummm, you like to believe you are very clever and know things that I do not. That I should be guided by you so I can become enlightened on the subject. I see you are very passionate about it by your callsign. But I am actually laughing at that right now, lol. I can easily say the same things you said back to you. You are convinced your right and I am open to all information. You are obviously not, which makes your approach very unscientific. Avoid it?? You are seriously not good at what you do.
ptangboy 2 years ago
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PolyTicks21 2 years ago
James Inhofe's political donor list
Contributor TotalIndivsPACs
Koch Industries$39,500$30,500$9,000
Murray Energy$30,600$25,600$5,000
Contran Corp$21,500$13,200$8,300
Devon Energy$19,500$9,500$10,000
OGE Energy $17,800$11,800$6,000
All oil and gas companies... Inhofe is a transparent puppet of big energy interests and Alan Carlin isn't a scientist... show me a report that says climate change is a hoax and I'll show you which energy company paid for it.
PolyTicks21 2 years ago 11
GW was ficiton from nuclear power - who pay you!
JonThm 2 years ago
Stop crying. Your global warming hoax is revealed.
calimar28 2 years ago 2
CLIMATE-GATE.
If it is true that the numbers have been cooked since 1960 and that it is getting colder would that cause you to .
"OIL Companies" stand to win, Coal will be phased out, Bama said so. DUH? DUH? DUH?
Oil is production will be scaled back.
So just like diamonds oil will be monopolized as to who controls it and the price goes up.
Just like DeBeers has with diamonds it is an artificial scarcity.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
@PolyTicks21 These companies have kept the gas you use cheap for years. Your one of Algore's, SHEEPLE!
edoyle7 1 year ago
@PolyTicks21 Thanks for your post. This Inhofe and Fox (Entertainment) News crap is so unbelievable bullshit.
cypress1337 1 year ago
Global warming is nothing but a global warning of overpopulation.
ezeques 2 years ago
The UN gathered 52 scientist/bureaucrats who falsified historical climate data and created computer models that don't work. The models' inability to backcast the past decade of flat or even cooling climate testifies to the UN's failure. This "science" is anything but settled.
Yet, we are now asked to regard life-essential carbon dioxide as a pollutant and lay usurious taxes on Americans in pursuit of this lunacy. I sincerely hope Inhofe is correct in his prediction of DOA in the Senate.
Incatchaos 2 years ago 2
Carlin is an economist. He does not have a degree in any physical science.
So a non scientists gives his opinion on a scientific matter, which was not even his job, and they ignore it. What the fuck do you expect them to do?
It's amazing how the republitards and the idiots on Fox spin this. Fucking idiots.
Glasya666 2 years ago
It's a sick hoax. They are playing on people's emotions with all their propaganda.
Awakenification 2 years ago
I dont need the GOP to tell me....all I have to do is walk outside. Record cold this morning. Maybe some of you should try thinking for yourselves.
luckofthegerman 2 years ago 5
I went outside too and it was record dark. Looks like no more sun for us!
saintandrewsfall 1 year ago
@luckofthegerman that's weather, not climate. *sigh*
Juxtaroberto 1 year ago 2
@Juxtaroberto Is that what the granola eating teacher in your envir. sci. 101 class told you? *sigh* Since global cooling in the 70's was proven wrong and now global warming has been proven wrong did you help come up with that new catchy name, climate change? *sigh* Did you watch "An Inconvenient truth" a few times and now your an expert? *sigh* Do you still buy into Gore's bullshit cause he needs suckers like you to buy his carbon credits to heat his 8 homes and to defend rape charges.*sigh*
luckofthegerman 1 year ago
@luckofthegerman And in Vancouver at the same time there was hardly enough snow for the Olympics. Not so simple dude.
squamish4244 6 months ago
Man climate fanatics really get P.O. when you call out their lies. Their facts are hear say. It's a simple hypothesis, without proof.
I can not simply trust a politician with my taxes, much less on climate issues. Interesting though how these two come together like Yoko and Lennon.
I can't wait to see the next one. It's like a soap opera. "As the World Stops Turning."
CHardi1099 2 years ago
Liberal brains melt to mush:
For real people don't worry about the SUN, look at this chart. There is only a few human errors in it. But don't worry about that.... See how the line angles up. That means we are all going to die. Don't panic though. Al Gore is here.
Liberals: OMG... become vegetarian save the planet. No save the polar bears. Oh they are suppose to swim, I mean save the little fish that get stuck in the irrigation. Oh crap they grow vegetation. God I'm hungry, fuck the little fishy.
CHardi1099 2 years ago
There is NO global warming never was. We have cooled a degree. Polar bears are multiplying, Gore LIED and said polar bears were dying! If anything we are headed into an ICEAGE!
minammam 2 years ago
The criminal investigation should be that Carlin be duck walked into court for plagarism of junk science web sites.
Thanks to Fox for making Inhofe a bigger fool than he was before this interview.
TRUMPHENT 2 years ago
the cost is gonna be passed down to everybody so i guess nobody is gonna benefit,including the planet.
spidey7966 2 years ago
their is a FEAR MONGERING CAMPAIGN to discredit cap n trade....
the only ppl who are not gonna benefit from cap n trade are the FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY
FUK OFF OIL TROLLS
stopglobalwarming08 2 years ago
CO2 levels were HIGHER before fossil fuel burning. Just google CARBONIFEROUS CO2 . Click the first link.
uboat21 2 years ago
you mean stating facts is fear mongering?
So what do you say to Al Gore about evangelizing things that are, at best, pure speculation? And at worst, lies and propaganda? Do people even realize that the people behind those computer models he cites actually disclaim them saying specifically "these are only one possible outcome and should not be relied upon for policy-making"?
Geez...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
You've made no case here, other than to shout a lot.
jds127b 2 years ago
google: smoke, mirrors, hot air
then, feel like the fool that u are....right-wing/Big Oil sheep
stopglobalwarming08 2 years ago
again with the name calling. nice basis for an argument.
and btw, I am neither right wing nor pro big oil. I'm simply someone pointing out the facts. Why is that so offensive to you?
jds127b 2 years ago
dumshit, if u believe what u posted earlier, then you are a right-wing/Big Oil sheep, simple as that....
the fact is global warming is based upon peer-reviewed science...i.e. FACT
your "al gore blah blah blah", i've heard many times....and is actually RIGHT WING smear campaigns in effect....
if ur too stupid to believe the fossil fuel industry's BS, then can i help it that ur that stupid
stopglobalwarming08 2 years ago
You employed the key word here; "believe". You are talking about your beliefs, not facts. Ergo you are making my point for me.
Therefore, rather than point out the many flaws in your reasoning, I will let your ad hominem comments, spelling mistakes, and vociferous shouting speak for itself. While you may be myopic and disturbed, you are actually saying more to awaken people who care about knowing the realities of this highly contentious issue than anything I could say in just a few words here.
jds127b 2 years ago
jds127b = brainwashed OIL/RIGHT-WING fool
nuff said
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Baurzhan1963 2 years ago
cap and trade is all about getting money out of us nothing more. they can't even go into detail about how it will help the climate just generalization.
spidey7966 2 years ago
You do know that cap and trade enacted against sulfur dioxide reduced acid rain right? And it would help in the same way, reduce amount of carbon dioxide and you reduce the amount of heat retained.
FierceFirefight 2 years ago
so is a carbon tax still justified? aren't they politicizing it by taxing it?
caasi55 2 years ago
WOW! stopglobalwarming08 u really are brainwashed
spidey7966 2 years ago
So what portion of the video cited was wrong?
FierceFirefight 2 years ago
great vid more and more are wakeing up to the greatess lie ever told solely for profit
iicce 2 years ago
So, if the world is indeed ending;
Why are we still on coal and fossil fuel?
Why are not electric cars rolling off of the ne GM assembly lines as we speak?
Why is there environmental opposition to proposed wind farms?
Where are all the solar panel farms? Why are not these being constructed right now as part of the new green economy?
Where is all the action I thought would be taken effective Jan 20 2009?
All we have is a carbone tax. Hmmmmm....
RonaldKovacs 2 years ago 3
Inhofe is my favorite Republican fascist retard - and that means something cause there's so many. You can tell he really savors the ignorance, he lets the idiocy roll around like a fine wine. You gotta respect a man who is professionally mentally ill.
suburbancamo 2 years ago
this global warming scam is the excuse thats being used to regulate the american manufacturing industry out of business, it's one of the reasons companies are moving out of america, just wait till cap in trade goes into effect and drives the rest out of business.
remotehog1 2 years ago
re: remotehog1
So your argument is that the Science must be automatically wrong, merely because it doesn't align with your personal political beliefs?
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greyflcn 2 years ago
FlyLikeAnEagle, always let an arrogant person keep talking. When they talk, they will eventually insert foot in mouth and their ignorance is exposed.
OnePlusOneEquals3 2 years ago 6
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
Troublesome1776 2 years ago 5
I agree, they might say, for example "go kill yourself you useless eater."
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
There's no way 30,000 scientists could possibly be smarter than deusexmachina7709. There's no fucking way.
Size10ShoeTube 2 years ago 2
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stopglobalwarming08 2 years ago
You're an idiot.
BY THE WAY CAPITALIZING WORDS DOESN'T GET YOUR POINT ACROSS, it only makes you seem like a fool.
tanker4909 2 years ago
GFY, OIL FOOL
stopglobalwarming08 2 years ago
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. There is no truth to global warming or climate change, only human opinion.
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globalwarmingmyarse 2 years ago
Global warming is a fraud. The term "global warming" is a phrase coined by politicians pawns in the media. What they don't tell you is "global warming" means global population reduction.
When these people say they want to "control global warming" that means they want to control the population (globally) and reduce the population (globally).
kaiser0soze 2 years ago 2
(cont.)
Instead of these people plainly telling you they want global population reduction, the phrase "global warming" is a term that is more accepted by the masses so we can think that allowing these people to "control global warming" will be a good thing to save the environment.
Their agenda has nothing to do with "saving the environment". These people want to reduce Earth's population and have dictatorship over whoever is kept alive.
kaiser0soze 2 years ago 2
What is the ideal human population, conservative? There are 6.7 billion humans on the planet already, do you really want to see what a planet with 12 billion people looks like?
Conservatives love living in the sewer of their own pollution.
dmathew1024 2 years ago
Do you also wear tinfoil hats and think the government covered up Roswell? Do you believe Bush orchestrated 9/11?
Until you can back up your conspiracy theories with credible sources, they deserve nothing more than mockery. Sadly, many people are weak minded enough to eat up these baseless claims, because it gives them a means of escaping the reality of the situation. They don't want to believe AGW is real, the science is against them, so they cling to conspiracy theories.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Sadly, the only "weak minded" people are the masses who believe everything the media and government tells them without doing their own research. Watching your television and being spoon-fed lies from our controlled media and government is the means of escape for people like you.
Good luck at the doctors getting all three of your "swine flu" shot this fall. Oh, and independent research from credible sources have already shown that Bush and other American traitors orchestrated 9/11.
kaiser0soze 2 years ago 2
I don't depend on the media for information about global warming, and I'd ask you to debate me about global warming but clearly you're a screwball conspiracy theorist donning a tinfoil hat.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Yeah right. Go back to drinking your fluoridated water you government/media brainwashed dumbass.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
I don't support eugenics, and if you know more about global warming then I do feel free to debate me.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
There's nothing to "debate".
kaiser0soze 2 years ago
I agree, there's nothing to debate in the same way there's nothing to debate between evolution and creationism.
But you sound confused so I figured I'd ask why you don't believe it exists.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Okay DeusExMachina7709, since you're such a subject matter expert more than anybody else here (including the guy in the video who said this is all bullshit), give your theory on why you support global population reduction (a.k.a. global warming).
Size10ShoeTube 2 years ago
Inhofe is an anti-science republican with no education whatsoever in climate science.
I merely report the scientific consensus on global warming. I do understand the fundamentals, but there's so much material it would be tedious of me to list all of it. Instead, read the IPCC AR4. Very good overview of the science.
ipcc-wg1 . ucar . edu/wg1/wg1-report . html
Tell me where you disagree with the scientists and we'll go from there.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Your weblink is irrelevant. You have your view of global warming, and the elitists have their view of global warming. People like Al Gore and David Rockefeller have been talking about their opinion of global warming since the late 1980 - early 1990s, and they've been saying the same shit since then: there are too many people on the planet.
There's nothing you can say to justify global population reduction. No one gave these people power to play God by trying to decide who lives and who dies.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
This is another debate entirely, but those who advocate reducing population don't advocate murdering people, they advocate imposing birth caps and subsidizing prophylactics.
I don't necessarily advocate either side, I simply think we should cut carbon emissions.
And what weblink do you speak of?
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
These elitists have always promoted killing people. That's why they start wars, keep GMOs in the food supply, pollute our water supply with fluoride and other poisons, and why they're trying to get Codex Alimentarius and HR 2749 passed so they can have total control over the food supply (this coming fall most likely this fake flu pandemic will be used to justify passing both of these bills).
Another thing, "imposing birth caps and subsidizing prophylactics" is Eugenics.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
Eugenics is removing the weak from the gene pool. Birth caps and prophylactics would be blanket policy.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
...a blanket policy that promotes Eugenics.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
You seem awfully confused. If everyone is only permitted one or two children, how does that add or subtract to the gene pool?
This is why I hate debating conspiracy theorists...
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Nice way to try and make people look inferior who won't play into you bullshit theories. Try harder :)
That means if a woman ends up pregnant after her second child she will be forced to either put the third child up for adoption to be placed with a family with less than two kids, or abort the third child.
If you don't want to "debate" then either block me or don't comment anymore. Yes, it really THAT simple.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Someone who spouts conspiracy theories IS inferior to me.
Or they will be taxed heavily.
If you have not an inkling of understanding of climate science then either block me or don't comment anymore. Yes, it really THAT simple.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Not only have you proved that YOU'RE an inferior brainwashed jackass, you also lost this "debate" once you decided to resort to insults. You just proved you don't have an "inking of understanding" of the bullshit you chose to support.
Help the elite with their Eugenics plans and go hang yourself. Fuck you and your climate change theories, schmuck.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
"you also lost this "debate" once you decided to resort to insults"
Allow me to post what you've called me thus far:
"go kill yourself you useless eater"
"go hang yourself"
"Fuck you and your climate change theories, schmuck"
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
....and this is the insult you initiated towards somebody before I even commented on any of your bullshit theories:
"Do you also wear tinfoil hats and think the government covered up Roswell?"
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
You've been spouting conspiracy theories. I think it's a fair question.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
The bullshit theories you've posted so far is also a conspiracy. A theory that conspires to carry out Eugenics worldwide.
So all 30,000 of the scientists who want to sue Al Gore who all said global warming is a fraud are all "conspiracy theorists" too?
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
Unfortunately they don't even exist, some of them. I'll pm you why, too much to post in 500 characters.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Even if there's not EXACTLY 30,000 scientists who want to sue Al Gore, there are scientists who already said this whole thing is a farce. Face it mate, you don't know everything. Your comments about global warming and climate change are nothing but your own opinions and assumptions.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
Sure, some scientists say it's a farce, some scientists also believe the round earth theory is a farce and the government orchestrated 9/11.
news . bbc . co . uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7540427 . stm
The mindless ramblings of isolated, self-professed "scientists" is not a reliable gauge of science.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
Moving on from that petition, there are credible scientists who said global warming is a fraud. There are also architects, engineers, and scientists who conducted their own investigative research and came to the conclusion that our government orchestrated 9/11. I will trust these sources over our corporate controlled media and government any day.
According to you all of these people are conspiracy theorists too. Anybody with an opinion different than yours is a conspiracy theorist.
FlyLikeAnEagle2012 2 years ago
There are other scientists besides the ones who want to sue Al Gore that said global warming is a fraud.
Size10ShoeTube 2 years ago
The fact that they have yet to put their money where their mouth is is telling.
Last time Gore got sued he won.
DeusExMachina7709 2 years ago
That case concerned another issue. He wasn't sued for claiming there was global warming.
Size10ShoeTube 2 years ago
Are you really so ignorant and so stupid as to imagine that the human population can continue increasing forever?
The human population will crash just as housing prices crashed after the housing bubble collapsed.
The laws of biology apply to humankind just it they apply to every other species.
dmathew1024 2 years ago
You do realize that you are talking about murdering human beings, I thought you were a liberal, instead your just an idiot. I am guessing you favor nationalized healthcare to help human beings and yet you have the audacity to say here that you want to help murder other humans, have you ever listened to your own rhetoric.
webbj123 2 years ago 3