This piano concerto is sick. I've never heard the whole thing. Schoenberg was a fantastic composer, who was not also self-taught, but taught others. 12 tone music is very meticulous. It's not just banging out notes, there is a hell of a lot more to it. Try writing music like this. It gives a whole new perspective. Not all 12 tone music sounds scary or loud. Take a look at Berg or Dallapiccola. Some of their melodies are very lyrical and beautiful.
@IZZYIZZO2001 Hi. I think the opening music here is also quite lyrical - almost like some kind of ghostly waltz. Btw, I take it your use of the word "sick" expresses its new meaning of "very cool"! :)
@camaysar222 Yes, I do mean very cool! I can see (or hear) what you mean with the ghostly waltz. It's in triple meter. I'm also very glad you appreciate this type of music! I'm taking a class on 20th century music theory and harmony. It's very fascinating! I have to write a paper on a piece and I chose a piece you might like called, "From My Diary" by Roger Sessions.
@IZZYIZZO2001 Good choice. The somewhat "craggy" From My Diary is an attractive suite. My fav Sessions work is his early orchestral Suite from The Black Maskers. It took up a good deal of my adolescent listening! You know Sessions wrote a good book on Harmony. Don't know if it's still used. If you like Sessions' piano music, give Stefan Wolpe a try.
@camaysar222 I found that book in my school's library! I don't know if it's any good. It didn't have to do much with what I was writing about. I have heard his 1st Symphony, but other than that, not really anything else. I know he was a giant and very good. He had a lot of students and taught at Yale.
@lunaboomboom is a freakin numbskull. It shows you when all you do is listen to blink 182 and Rebecca Black, how did you even end up on this video and why do you care? Schoenberg is quite an amazing composer. If your daughter could bang out a piece like this and notate it correctly, I'm sure she's already famous. Go suck your husbands nuts, who cares if you like it. This guy escaped Nazism so his music is chaotic. If your entire sense of decency was corrupted you'd probably be worthless.
@darkmarcus428 His music was already "chaotic" about the same time as Hitler was being rejected for art school (i.e., before 1910), so escaping Nazism really isn't a factor.
Very good! But i prefer Skalkotta's(Schoenberg's student) piano concerto no.2(1937) which i think(in my opinion) is the greatest piano concerto of the 20th century! Search in youtube for this magnificent work.
@JohannVanMozart I did listen to it.Skalkottas knows how to write. But his style is so different from Schoenberg's that I don't see how you can make such a comparison. If NS speaks to you more strongly, so be it. I find the Schoenberg far more eloquent and masterful, but then I know it better. Btw, I read the score once during a Madge Sorabji performance and found it just short of a hoax. Critics are not always discerning listeners! Madge sounds ok here, but I haven't seen the score.
It's absolutely magnificent. I've listened to it at least three times this week. The classical music world should be ashamed for their rejection of the 2nd Viennese School. They don't want to hear.
@paolosilv I can't believe how bad this sucks my 2 year old daughter can bang out better music with her baby paws on the piano. Wow you guys are really jerkin off hard approve it bitch, if you got the nutz!
@lunaboomboom I welcome negative comments, and yours is not the first. You may represent a new socio-cultural low here, but others dislike this piece as much as you do. I'll bet your 2 year old daughter will grow up to be a great Schoenberg fan!
I dunno, does this really escape from tonalism? it seems atonality is just music composed without tonal functions, which we then interpret according to the tonality we're used to once we listen, in other words just a more interesting, unconventional form of tonality... I doubt anyone can truly listen to 'purely' atonal music without reference to tonality, or even compose like that, unless they're listening to this music since birth.
@anacrusisztc Who is saying it is trying to escape from tonalism? Tonality is a stupid textbook term, and its overuse forces music into autistic categories. There are many many degrees of tension and resolution, and much of so called "atonal" music is actually an exploration of these finer and more minute shades of them.
@version191 and anacrusisztc: You seem to agree with each other. A distinction must be made between tonal and diatonic, which is a specific system of tonality, utilizing certain functions and relations. In fact, according to a hierarchy of intervals, all chords have a root, even if they don't fit into a diatonic context. This late work of S has certain quasi-diatonic elements.
(part 2)Look at the row and you will see how he does this. Berg does the same, to an even greater degree, in his violin concerto. As a result, the S concerto is not quite as sharply dissonant as some of his earlier works. We sense a drifting tonality, without relating to a "key" per se. Btw, the piece ends on a big C major triad with an added 7th!
mmm, has there been any news on the merging of serialism and stochastic music? Ive heard both electronic stochastic and electronic serialism. I wonder what would the result be if someone tried to squeeze stochastic textures a la xenakis into the serial methods...
this is hardly strange... its pretty normal. its the year 2011 people can we please not be like "oh those wacky avant garde people in the 1920s and 1910s"... honestly
@ssnnaarree This is not a valid argument, for a lot of people like Beethoven's ninth, even though they don't understand how tonal music works. Taste in music doesn't have that much to do with understanding. You're appreciation of a piece may grow because you learn to understand it, but that appreciation is for the compository genius behind the piece, not for the piece itself. In many cases, being able to compose something very complex doesn't necessarily mean that it's nice or interesting.
It's a shame I don't know this wonderful piano concerto better than I do. Even bigger shame, given my stance as a fan of the Second Viennese School.
So I wanted to thank you for posting this. Schoenberg is one of the greatest composers of the 20th Century, and the piano concerto proves it definitively.
Hmmm...I'm not really sure if I like 12-tone music very much. I mean, I do admit that it's interesting to listen to, and I appreciate the concept behind it, but to me it sort of seems devoid of emotion. Well, maybe not emotion, but devoid of something. It doesn't seem like there's any drive to it. I can't really seem to get anything out of it as I can with the works of Thomas Tallis (I absolutely love Spem in Alium) or of, say, Chopin. I would say more, but I'm running out of room...
@MademoiselleChopin It's fascinating to hear that you find the concerto lacking in emotion, or... something, and do not hear any drive, when those very qualities are signature elements of S's music, and certainly overwhelmingly present in this piece. It's just in a language many do not "get", but with further listening this music may some day please you. If not, well there's lots of music left to love!
@MademoiselleChopin If you find this lacking in emotion you should hear total serialsim. Point music feels way more dry of emotions than this, you cant even find symmetry, or melody. the whole concept is about making every note stand in itself, and schonberg tried to remove tonal functions, not melody. After hearing a little Stockhausen this sounds as a german Scriabin or something like that.
@ssnnaarree Personally I don't agree with saying that people are not intelligent enough to understand serial music. Personally I love serial music but I would find many derivatives of fugue form to be much more challenging and intellectually demanding then much of serial music. I find serial music is somewhat secured in that you have your tone row and matrix to reference to if ever stuck, both are quite intellectually demanding but I wouldn't but thoughts on music to intelligence.Just my 2 cent.
@ElectronicIntervals Yes, it's more a question of musical sophistication than intelligence per se. As for understanding - as simonofhell and others have observed - it involves an understanding more by the ear than by the intellect. The composer's intellect is necessary for the music to be beautiful. Of course the more aware we are of this intellect as we listen, the more our experience is enhanced.
@ssnnaarree I agree, with some mitigation. Many untrained listeners are repelled by Sch, but so are many intelligent conservatory graduates. It's literally “not music” for all of them, because music lies in the perception (cf. Cage: “it’s music if you think it’s music”.)
It’s ok to have limits, but not ok to blame Schoenberg. The composer of Verklaerte Nacht was clearly out to fill his listeners’ ears with beauty, and succeeded brilliantly… in many cases!
Nothing is more exhausting to listen to than Zwölftonmusik (except perhaps Wagner, haha), but, in my opinion, nothing is more rewarding either. It leaves me entirely wrung out, but satisfied!
Thanks for the reply and suggestion .. so I bought the score for the 5 Orchestral Pieces and the CD (luckily I've worked in a print music store for over 30 years!) and found absolute joy in the music! I also ordered a few scores of Mahler Symphonies while I was at it... I can tell you that there is no better way of enjoying the music than to have the score and study it... Herr Dr schoenberg is one of my masters... after Haydn of course!
I loved this music so much that I ordered the score and familiarized myself with the music, then did the same with the Violin Concerto and the Variations for Orchestra, and the small Piano Pieces. I listen to sections over and over with the score in front of me in order to follow what was going on, and try and play sections. After exploring his music in this way I find that Schoenberg is a Master of Composition, and urge you to do the same.
@trevorheywood Excellent! After studying the piece for this performance I came to the same conclusion re: Schoenberg. Unfortunately not many listeners have the musical literacy to perform such an analysis, which is so rewarding. The most important thing to keep in mind when listening to Sch is that this is the composer of Verklaerte Nacht, Gurrelieder, the Quartets, and even 5 Pieces for Orchestra; this is a man who composed music for purely aesthetic ends, and found his own way to do it.
I can tell you, Mr. Bluebear, this is beautiful, complex, and expressive. I am a jazz musician, that could have something to do with it. Jazz is often dissonant (the first eight bars or so remind me of Thelonious Monk's ballads.) Modern jazz fusion experiments in atonality on occasion, but then again, fusion experiments in everything.
It hurts my head to imagine improvising over a twelve-tone piece. Without a key, what do you have to rely on? Matrices?
@TheThinkerMusic Actually, improvising in the 12-tone style is a great idea! The players' collaborative use of the row would produce some interesting results!
@CaptainBluebear08 Thanks for your comment. Actually, I see nothing "fascistic" in the comments. They are simply saying that the music sounds ugly, which is honest enough. They are shocked that classical music can sound so repellent. None have gone so far as to say "It's not music".... only that it is music they don't like. (Even cats and dogs make music if we listen for it!) Some, like pastamobsta, actually expanded their musical horizon.
My friends and I are debating; does this sound more like a cat or a dog on the piano? Personally, I'm leaning cat, but one can't ignore the dog like warblgarbl bass.
@jsbachbwv543 I love the range of responses here, 100 years after the great master first experimented with atonality. Btw, you might enjoy Nicholas Slonimsky's "Lexicon of Musical Invective".
@jsbachbwv543 You and your friends are clearly too smug and ignorant to know your ignorant. Why post if you have nothing original to add almost 70 years after this was written?
@jsbachbwv543 You and your friends are clearly too smug and ignorant to know your ignorant. Why post if you have nothing original to add almost 70 years after this was written? The lyricism is clear to be heard if only your mind was open enough.
I've really only been exposed to classical music, and some impressionist pieces. Upon reading about atonality in my history class, I became intrigued and sought out a recording. I may not be an expert, but I feel you play this piece very convincingly, with much depth and anxiety as my class described the work. Thank you for sharing this, and I can hear the structure and the work put on.
wow...sounds like pure misery...reminds me of the movie sin city...the only thing is that in sin city, the theme is that in the most ugliest places, you can find beauty...i guess this isn't for everyone, including me
@4hm3dimr4n It is a mystery why some hear beauty and some do not. I wonder if listeners who are more exposed to classical music in general are more likely to hear beauty in this music. Of course, many experienced listeners cannot take Sch either. But it would seem unlikely that a total neophyte to classical music would enjoy this piece (not that you are necessarily a neophyte!). Of course, misery can be beautiful, artistically speaking... Anyway, I understand!
Great recording. I've never heard more convincing piano playing on the the 3rd part starting from più largo - very tight and decisive unlike Uchida and Brendel. It must also be very confusing to learn how to cross your hands on that part, unless you've got very large hands. But judging by the recording, you seem to have had no difficulty at all.
Thanks so much. Glad to see you are a fan of this masterpiece! The Più Largo you mention is, I take it, the first cadenza in mvt. 3, at m. 286 (my favorite pages in the whole work) and not the later Più Largo at m. 319, which opens with orch alone. From 286, I play the treble clef with RH and bass with LH throughout the cadenza. This allows for the clearest result. Thanks again!
Yes, m. 286. The piano, to be more accurate, comes in a few measures before that. Also, absolutely loved the dynamics in the cadenza. But you'd be right to say that mvt. 3 doesn't seem to require any crossing of hands. I must have remembered incorrectly.
wow...this isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
dalecampbl5 2 months ago
@dalecampbl5 Hahaha.... high praise indeed! Glad you liked this great piece.
camaysar222 1 month ago
This piano concerto is sick. I've never heard the whole thing. Schoenberg was a fantastic composer, who was not also self-taught, but taught others. 12 tone music is very meticulous. It's not just banging out notes, there is a hell of a lot more to it. Try writing music like this. It gives a whole new perspective. Not all 12 tone music sounds scary or loud. Take a look at Berg or Dallapiccola. Some of their melodies are very lyrical and beautiful.
IZZYIZZO2001 3 months ago
@IZZYIZZO2001 Hi. I think the opening music here is also quite lyrical - almost like some kind of ghostly waltz. Btw, I take it your use of the word "sick" expresses its new meaning of "very cool"! :)
camaysar222 3 months ago
@camaysar222 Yes, I do mean very cool! I can see (or hear) what you mean with the ghostly waltz. It's in triple meter. I'm also very glad you appreciate this type of music! I'm taking a class on 20th century music theory and harmony. It's very fascinating! I have to write a paper on a piece and I chose a piece you might like called, "From My Diary" by Roger Sessions.
IZZYIZZO2001 3 months ago
@IZZYIZZO2001 Good choice. The somewhat "craggy" From My Diary is an attractive suite. My fav Sessions work is his early orchestral Suite from The Black Maskers. It took up a good deal of my adolescent listening! You know Sessions wrote a good book on Harmony. Don't know if it's still used. If you like Sessions' piano music, give Stefan Wolpe a try.
camaysar222 3 months ago
@camaysar222 I found that book in my school's library! I don't know if it's any good. It didn't have to do much with what I was writing about. I have heard his 1st Symphony, but other than that, not really anything else. I know he was a giant and very good. He had a lot of students and taught at Yale.
IZZYIZZO2001 3 months ago
@lunaboomboom is a freakin numbskull. It shows you when all you do is listen to blink 182 and Rebecca Black, how did you even end up on this video and why do you care? Schoenberg is quite an amazing composer. If your daughter could bang out a piece like this and notate it correctly, I'm sure she's already famous. Go suck your husbands nuts, who cares if you like it. This guy escaped Nazism so his music is chaotic. If your entire sense of decency was corrupted you'd probably be worthless.
darkmarcus428 4 months ago
@darkmarcus428 His music was already "chaotic" about the same time as Hitler was being rejected for art school (i.e., before 1910), so escaping Nazism really isn't a factor.
MaestroTJS 3 months ago
Very good! But i prefer Skalkotta's(Schoenberg's student) piano concerto no.2(1937) which i think(in my opinion) is the greatest piano concerto of the 20th century! Search in youtube for this magnificent work.
JohannVanMozart 10 months ago
@JohannVanMozart I did listen to it.Skalkottas knows how to write. But his style is so different from Schoenberg's that I don't see how you can make such a comparison. If NS speaks to you more strongly, so be it. I find the Schoenberg far more eloquent and masterful, but then I know it better. Btw, I read the score once during a Madge Sorabji performance and found it just short of a hoax. Critics are not always discerning listeners! Madge sounds ok here, but I haven't seen the score.
camaysar222 9 months ago
It's absolutely magnificent. I've listened to it at least three times this week. The classical music world should be ashamed for their rejection of the 2nd Viennese School. They don't want to hear.
paolosilv 10 months ago
@paolosilv So glad you appreciate this fine music. I agree, music of Schoenberg and his followers should be heard more often.
camaysar222 10 months ago
@paolosilv I can't believe how bad this sucks my 2 year old daughter can bang out better music with her baby paws on the piano. Wow you guys are really jerkin off hard approve it bitch, if you got the nutz!
lunaboomboom 9 months ago
@lunaboomboom I welcome negative comments, and yours is not the first. You may represent a new socio-cultural low here, but others dislike this piece as much as you do. I'll bet your 2 year old daughter will grow up to be a great Schoenberg fan!
camaysar222 9 months ago 3
Me gusta mucho. Thanks for the upload!
vividandanatoly 1 year ago
I dunno, does this really escape from tonalism? it seems atonality is just music composed without tonal functions, which we then interpret according to the tonality we're used to once we listen, in other words just a more interesting, unconventional form of tonality... I doubt anyone can truly listen to 'purely' atonal music without reference to tonality, or even compose like that, unless they're listening to this music since birth.
anacrusisztc 1 year ago
@anacrusisztc Who is saying it is trying to escape from tonalism? Tonality is a stupid textbook term, and its overuse forces music into autistic categories. There are many many degrees of tension and resolution, and much of so called "atonal" music is actually an exploration of these finer and more minute shades of them.
version191 1 year ago 3
@version191 and anacrusisztc: You seem to agree with each other. A distinction must be made between tonal and diatonic, which is a specific system of tonality, utilizing certain functions and relations. In fact, according to a hierarchy of intervals, all chords have a root, even if they don't fit into a diatonic context. This late work of S has certain quasi-diatonic elements.
camaysar222 1 year ago
(part 2)Look at the row and you will see how he does this. Berg does the same, to an even greater degree, in his violin concerto. As a result, the S concerto is not quite as sharply dissonant as some of his earlier works. We sense a drifting tonality, without relating to a "key" per se. Btw, the piece ends on a big C major triad with an added 7th!
camaysar222 1 year ago
mmm, has there been any news on the merging of serialism and stochastic music? Ive heard both electronic stochastic and electronic serialism. I wonder what would the result be if someone tried to squeeze stochastic textures a la xenakis into the serial methods...
NevinJarek 1 year ago
@ssnnaarree No, not necessarily lack of intelligence. Just lack of exposure to this kind of music.
The more you're familiar with it, the less cold and alien it becomes.
RogueRotting360 1 year ago
this is hardly strange... its pretty normal. its the year 2011 people can we please not be like "oh those wacky avant garde people in the 1920s and 1910s"... honestly
LackingLack0 1 year ago
@ssnnaarree This is not a valid argument, for a lot of people like Beethoven's ninth, even though they don't understand how tonal music works. Taste in music doesn't have that much to do with understanding. You're appreciation of a piece may grow because you learn to understand it, but that appreciation is for the compository genius behind the piece, not for the piece itself. In many cases, being able to compose something very complex doesn't necessarily mean that it's nice or interesting.
simonofhell 1 year ago
I'm studying Post-Tonal theory and had to analyze this piece. Its beautiful.
diegokobe 1 year ago
It's a shame I don't know this wonderful piano concerto better than I do. Even bigger shame, given my stance as a fan of the Second Viennese School.
So I wanted to thank you for posting this. Schoenberg is one of the greatest composers of the 20th Century, and the piano concerto proves it definitively.
HerrWozzeck 1 year ago
@HerrWozzeck Couldn't agree more.
camaysar222 1 year ago
Hmmm...I'm not really sure if I like 12-tone music very much. I mean, I do admit that it's interesting to listen to, and I appreciate the concept behind it, but to me it sort of seems devoid of emotion. Well, maybe not emotion, but devoid of something. It doesn't seem like there's any drive to it. I can't really seem to get anything out of it as I can with the works of Thomas Tallis (I absolutely love Spem in Alium) or of, say, Chopin. I would say more, but I'm running out of room...
MademoiselleChopin 1 year ago
@MademoiselleChopin It's fascinating to hear that you find the concerto lacking in emotion, or... something, and do not hear any drive, when those very qualities are signature elements of S's music, and certainly overwhelmingly present in this piece. It's just in a language many do not "get", but with further listening this music may some day please you. If not, well there's lots of music left to love!
camaysar222 1 year ago
@MademoiselleChopin If you find this lacking in emotion you should hear total serialsim. Point music feels way more dry of emotions than this, you cant even find symmetry, or melody. the whole concept is about making every note stand in itself, and schonberg tried to remove tonal functions, not melody. After hearing a little Stockhausen this sounds as a german Scriabin or something like that.
NevinJarek 1 year ago 4
@ssnnaarree Personally I don't agree with saying that people are not intelligent enough to understand serial music. Personally I love serial music but I would find many derivatives of fugue form to be much more challenging and intellectually demanding then much of serial music. I find serial music is somewhat secured in that you have your tone row and matrix to reference to if ever stuck, both are quite intellectually demanding but I wouldn't but thoughts on music to intelligence.Just my 2 cent.
ElectronicIntervals 1 year ago
@ElectronicIntervals Yes, it's more a question of musical sophistication than intelligence per se. As for understanding - as simonofhell and others have observed - it involves an understanding more by the ear than by the intellect. The composer's intellect is necessary for the music to be beautiful. Of course the more aware we are of this intellect as we listen, the more our experience is enhanced.
camaysar222 1 year ago
@ssnnaarree I agree, with some mitigation. Many untrained listeners are repelled by Sch, but so are many intelligent conservatory graduates. It's literally “not music” for all of them, because music lies in the perception (cf. Cage: “it’s music if you think it’s music”.)
It’s ok to have limits, but not ok to blame Schoenberg. The composer of Verklaerte Nacht was clearly out to fill his listeners’ ears with beauty, and succeeded brilliantly… in many cases!
camaysar222 1 year ago
Nothing is more exhausting to listen to than Zwölftonmusik (except perhaps Wagner, haha), but, in my opinion, nothing is more rewarding either. It leaves me entirely wrung out, but satisfied!
poopsmyth 1 year ago
Thanks for the reply and suggestion .. so I bought the score for the 5 Orchestral Pieces and the CD (luckily I've worked in a print music store for over 30 years!) and found absolute joy in the music! I also ordered a few scores of Mahler Symphonies while I was at it... I can tell you that there is no better way of enjoying the music than to have the score and study it... Herr Dr schoenberg is one of my masters... after Haydn of course!
trevorheywood 1 year ago
I loved this music so much that I ordered the score and familiarized myself with the music, then did the same with the Violin Concerto and the Variations for Orchestra, and the small Piano Pieces. I listen to sections over and over with the score in front of me in order to follow what was going on, and try and play sections. After exploring his music in this way I find that Schoenberg is a Master of Composition, and urge you to do the same.
trevorheywood 1 year ago
@trevorheywood Excellent! After studying the piece for this performance I came to the same conclusion re: Schoenberg. Unfortunately not many listeners have the musical literacy to perform such an analysis, which is so rewarding. The most important thing to keep in mind when listening to Sch is that this is the composer of Verklaerte Nacht, Gurrelieder, the Quartets, and even 5 Pieces for Orchestra; this is a man who composed music for purely aesthetic ends, and found his own way to do it.
camaysar222 1 year ago
I can tell you, Mr. Bluebear, this is beautiful, complex, and expressive. I am a jazz musician, that could have something to do with it. Jazz is often dissonant (the first eight bars or so remind me of Thelonious Monk's ballads.) Modern jazz fusion experiments in atonality on occasion, but then again, fusion experiments in everything.
It hurts my head to imagine improvising over a twelve-tone piece. Without a key, what do you have to rely on? Matrices?
TheThinkerMusic 1 year ago
@TheThinkerMusic Actually, improvising in the 12-tone style is a great idea! The players' collaborative use of the row would produce some interesting results!
camaysar222 1 year ago
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CaptainBluebear08 1 year ago
@CaptainBluebear08 Thanks for your comment. Actually, I see nothing "fascistic" in the comments. They are simply saying that the music sounds ugly, which is honest enough. They are shocked that classical music can sound so repellent. None have gone so far as to say "It's not music".... only that it is music they don't like. (Even cats and dogs make music if we listen for it!) Some, like pastamobsta, actually expanded their musical horizon.
camaysar222 1 year ago
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CaptainBluebear08 1 year ago
It must be very fun and challenging to play, but it's not easy to listen to.
HerrWarja 1 year ago
My friends and I are debating; does this sound more like a cat or a dog on the piano? Personally, I'm leaning cat, but one can't ignore the dog like warblgarbl bass.
jsbachbwv543 1 year ago
@jsbachbwv543 I love the range of responses here, 100 years after the great master first experimented with atonality. Btw, you might enjoy Nicholas Slonimsky's "Lexicon of Musical Invective".
camaysar222 1 year ago
@jsbachbwv543 You and your friends are clearly too smug and ignorant to know your ignorant. Why post if you have nothing original to add almost 70 years after this was written?
gsherlock 1 year ago
@jsbachbwv543 You and your friends are clearly too smug and ignorant to know your ignorant. Why post if you have nothing original to add almost 70 years after this was written? The lyricism is clear to be heard if only your mind was open enough.
gsherlock 1 year ago
@jsbachbwv543 Are you kidding me? Schoenberg is very aesthetically pleasing, really.
Hyardacil 1 year ago
@jsbachbwv543 Are you under the illusion that you're funny?
MjoEm32 4 months ago
I've really only been exposed to classical music, and some impressionist pieces. Upon reading about atonality in my history class, I became intrigued and sought out a recording. I may not be an expert, but I feel you play this piece very convincingly, with much depth and anxiety as my class described the work. Thank you for sharing this, and I can hear the structure and the work put on.
pastamobsta 1 year ago
wow...sounds like pure misery...reminds me of the movie sin city...the only thing is that in sin city, the theme is that in the most ugliest places, you can find beauty...i guess this isn't for everyone, including me
4hm3dimr4n 2 years ago
@4hm3dimr4n It is a mystery why some hear beauty and some do not. I wonder if listeners who are more exposed to classical music in general are more likely to hear beauty in this music. Of course, many experienced listeners cannot take Sch either. But it would seem unlikely that a total neophyte to classical music would enjoy this piece (not that you are necessarily a neophyte!). Of course, misery can be beautiful, artistically speaking... Anyway, I understand!
camaysar222 2 years ago
I lasted a whole 2 minutes bearing with this piece - atonality induces a very nauseating and visceral response in me.
jojobruin 2 years ago
Well it's not for everyone, so I can sympathize. I guess you'll have to get back, jojo, to where you once belonged!
camaysar222 2 years ago
Wow, this is incredibly good piano playing! Where did you record this?
kentokhromatic 2 years ago
Thanks Kento. It was recorded at the Musical Arts Center of Indiana University. This was the concerto competition selection.
camaysar222 2 years ago
Very enjoyable "no-nonsense" performance.
IBarry66x 2 years ago
Great recording. I've never heard more convincing piano playing on the the 3rd part starting from più largo - very tight and decisive unlike Uchida and Brendel. It must also be very confusing to learn how to cross your hands on that part, unless you've got very large hands. But judging by the recording, you seem to have had no difficulty at all.
kristopaivinen 3 years ago
Thanks so much. Glad to see you are a fan of this masterpiece! The Più Largo you mention is, I take it, the first cadenza in mvt. 3, at m. 286 (my favorite pages in the whole work) and not the later Più Largo at m. 319, which opens with orch alone. From 286, I play the treble clef with RH and bass with LH throughout the cadenza. This allows for the clearest result. Thanks again!
camaysar222 3 years ago
Yes, m. 286. The piano, to be more accurate, comes in a few measures before that. Also, absolutely loved the dynamics in the cadenza. But you'd be right to say that mvt. 3 doesn't seem to require any crossing of hands. I must have remembered incorrectly.
kristopaivinen 3 years ago
A wonderful performance! Very nicely done!
NewMusicXX 3 years ago
...And who's playing the piano?!?
pianopera 3 years ago
Sorry Erwin... that would be me.
camaysar222 3 years ago