A Muslim Cleric: There Was NEVER A "Palestinian People"

[TagMahirTzedek]

Great. G-D Bless him.

[michalebeb]

SO TRUE!!!

[poupounina]

As far as I know, during the arab invasions of the 7th century, Jerusalem was taken from Byzantine rule, not from Jewish one. If you want your rights to be recognized, you need to take care of the refugee problem, not ignore it. That's the main move toward peace if you really want it. I feel really that the ball is in your camp. Deal fairly and generously with the refugee problem and many things would be much better for everyone in the area. Focus on finding solutions, not highlighting problems.

[ye32]

@poupounina

It doesn't matter who were the occupiers in the 6th and in the 7th cencury. The fact is that arabs were the last invadors to this area after they occupied it from the Byzantines.

For 2,000 years this land was occupied by different nations: The Romans, the Byzantines, the Persians, the Muslims and the British. But NEVER in these years the Jews forgot that this country is their homeland.

[ye32]

@poupounina

In 1921, 1929 and 1936 there were no refugee camps and no "refugee problem", and the mufti of Jerusalem (a good friend of Hitler) Hag Amin Al Husseini, declared a holy war on the Jews living in "Palestine", and dosens of Jews were murdered in Hebron, Jerusalem and Safed. Why were the Jews murdered at that time? Was it because the refugees of 1948??

[poupounina]

@ye32 There was no refugee problem in the 1920s,but since the clashes were predictable it was rather predictable that there was going to be one. If tomorrow, tens of thousands of "martians" landed in your neighbourhood and said they were coming in peace, then they somehow showed you that this land belonged to them before it did to your ancestors, and that their god promised it will be theirs for eternity, they don't mind if you stay around, but they will be the rulers. How would you react?

[ye32]

@poupounina

The conflict between the Arab Muslims and Israel is based on Islamic anti-semitism.

End of discussion!

[blueblue1891]

@poupounina you really need to read the charters of Hama and Fatah. There will never be peace until these organisations are destroyed.

[Ac3ssD3N13d]

@poupounina

Telling Israel to deal fairly? You realize the state of Israel has gladly agreed to almost every single demand by the Arabs? The problem is that Arabs can't even agree among themselves. Just like the UN Conciliation of the Israeli lands that was priced at around $300-350 million, the Israeli Gov agreed to pay it, but guess who wouldn't agree to any price? The Arab nations. You're another dumb ass stereotypical know it all.

[poupounina]

It's frustrating to talk to someone with such a stubborn attitude. You need to make an effort to question yourself if you want to move foreward. You seem totally incapable of empathy and understanding the other view. YOU are the "foreigners" (we have discussed this before), who have taken the land and exhiled the other descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The legitimate rights (from the religious perspective) goes to the descendants of those, regardless of their religious affiliation.

[ye32]

@poupounina

All the questions had been asked for the last 2,000 years. We, the Jews are moving foreward. We are building our state in our homeland.

[ye32]

@poupounina

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About the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

In the covenant between Abraham and God there is a small paragraph that says that the descendants of Abraham must remember that their God is the God of Abraham, and they must follow his commandments.

In the 10 commandments it is written: "Honor your father and your MOTHERS, and your days on the land that I am giving you shalt be long..."

[ye32]

@poupounina

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This commandment is addressed to Israel as a nation and it means:

Honor your father - Jacob (Israel), and your mothers: Rachel and Leah which means honor their ways and their belief in God, because he is the God of Israel (Jacob).

If you will not obey this commandment, I will not let you live on this land.

Now, the Muslims do NOT believe in the God of Israel, and they know that this land belongs to the Jews. (See the Qur'an: Sura 5, verse 21)

[ye32]

1

Most of the "Palestinians" are from Arab countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and some of them are originated from Turkey and Iran. In 1942 the British authorities governing this area made a survey that revieled that there are 30 different Arab languages spoken in Palestine. All these Arabs came in the mid 20's and until 1942 from different Arab countries in order to work in Palestine since the wages for workers was much higher than in their countries.

[poupounina]

@ye32 I'm not sure you can say "most", but rather "some". Palestine was underpopulated in the 1800s but this was also the case in different neighbouring countries. There was soon after a babyboom in Palestine and in the neighbouring countries which justifies the important population increase.

[ye32]

@poupounina

The whole idea of "a palestinian nation" is a bluff. On the 4th of June 1967 the Arabs living in Gaza were Egyptians, and on the 12 of June 1967, right after the war, they were suddenly "Palestinians". The same bluff was applied on the Arabs living in the west bank: Before the war they were Jordanians, and right after the war they were "Palestinians".

[poupounina]

@ye32 There was no Palestinian Nation, but there were people who had been living (on average for centuries) in the geographic area called Palestine and they have been uprooted by the violence and invasions and they constitute today the largest refugee population in the world.

[blueblue1891]

@poupounina they got uprooted because they started war. It's not very hard, it is the way it has been, the conquered and got conquered in return. You're just a sore loser, accept defeat, you lost.

[poupounina]

The people who are called Palestinians are the ones who were living (some for centuries) in the geographical area wich carried that name. They were evicted out of the land were they had been living for generations and they constitute today a refugee population of close to 4 million people.

[ye32]

@poupounina

2

Before WW I most of "Palestine" was empty, besides the Arabs that immigrated to this area in the mid 18th century after an urgent public appeal issued by the Ottoman Sultan to his neighbouring Arab countries asking them to send Arab people to collonize the neglected place that was called "Palestine". Egypt sent 100,000 pesants to sebtle on the sea shore.

[ye32]

@poupounina

"but there were people who had been living (on average for centuries)"

The ones that had been living in the area for centuries were Jews and not Arabs. Most of them were converted by force to Islam and a small part of them kept their Jewish identity. (watch on YouTube: watch?v=nPRgXAYTQlU)

[poupounina]

@ye32 Well, if they are finding that many Palestinians are of Jewish origin, I guess they should be allowed the right of return, no?

But also, I don't think you can say that the ones that had been living there for centuries were only the descendants of the Jews, because the world is not stagnant and people move all over the planet, including Israel. Other than the Muslims, there were also Christians. You might also argue and even find out that many of those are of Jewish descent. So?

[ye32]

@poupounina

Any "Palestinian" that will conert to Judaism would be welcome to come back to Israel. Israel is the home land of the Jewish people before Islam and Christianity. The Muslim arabs invaded to this area in the 7th century and it is not their land.

Judaism is a religion and a nationality at the same time, and the nationality of a Jew is Israel.

[poupounina]

@ye32 The main point is that there are refugees. People who are displaced, due to any kind of disaster are called by that term, and ignoring that people were displaced against their desires is really not a solution to anything. Do you want to find solutions or do you just want to argue?

[ye32]

@poupounina

a.

The ones that created those refugee camps were the arab leaders in 1948 when they asked the arabs living in the new born state Israel - to leave the area and come to these camps, promissing that the arab armies will throw the Jews to the sea in a matter of weeks, and those arabs that came to the camps could go back to their homes after the annihilation of the state of Israel....

[poupounina]

@ye32 None of these people would have left to become refugees if there wasn't a conflict going on, and the conflict happened because it was announced that the land was going to be handed over to a huge load of just arriving foreigners. The foreign invaders have a responsibility to compensate and pay damages if they want peace. That's just the only fair thing to do. To say "my ancestors were here 2000 years ago" is ridiculous. What century are you people still living in? Be rational!

[ye32]

@poupounina

1.5 million Jews were expelled from Arab countries since 1947. All their assets were confiscated. Why were they expelled? because they were Jews!!.

The conflict between Israel and the muslim arabs is not about land.

The conflict is not about "legitimate rights".

The conflict is not about refugees.

The cause of the conflict is because the Qur'an says that Jews are the first to be slaughtered, before the arrivale of the muslim messaiah - The Mahdi.

[poupounina]

@ye32 I know that in countries such as Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Morocco,and Tunisia, the Jews were not expelled. Many have left on their own will after the establishment of Israel and after selling their properties, but some remain and still travel to these countries. Jews have lived in these countries for generations without important problems. It's true that the situation has changed now. There is more resentment on the Muslim side.

[ye32]

@poupounina

It doesn't matter how many years the Jewish nation was in exile. The homeland of the Jewish people, was, since 3,700 years ago and always will be the land of Israel. There are 3 prairs that a Jew has to say every day, and in each one of them he says: "If I forget Jerusalem I will forget my right hand..." This scentence is 2,000 years old, and no any other "nation" or any kind of group of people is attached to this land as the Jewish nation.

[ye32]

@poupounina

Yes, after 2,000 years of exile, we, the Jews came back to our homeland. We, the Jews don't care less if it's hard for some people to digest that.

[poupounina]

@ye32 It's not about digesting or not, it's about what is Just and what is unjust,it's about agression and non agression, it's about stealing and not stealing. I believe you have commendments, aren't you supposed to respect them? Or as I heard they apply to Jews only? So it goes: Don't steal another Jew, but steal the others who are not Jews? Why do you want anyone to digest that? If you hate the world this way, don't expect the world not to hate you back,therefore don't complain about it

[ye32]

@poupounina "it's about what is Just and what is unjust,". Is it just not to give recognition to the legitinate rights of the Jewish people?

"it's about agression and non agression,". In 1947 the Jews accepted U.N. partition plan and the arabs declared war on Israel. "it's about stealing and not stealing." In the 7th century the arabs invaded my country and stole it.

You are nothing but an ignorant liberal bigot, or a jew hater, or both.

[blueblue1891]

@poupounina don't start wars then you dirty satanist.

[ye32]

@poupounina

b.

Since then, the arab countries could had adsorbed these reugees in their own countries, but in order to perpetuate the conflict with Israel they didn't let them immigrate to their countries, and they don't let them do that even today.

The solution is that Islamic arab imams will stop the insitement against Jews.

The conflict is about the hate of arab muslims to Jews. They hate Israel because it is Jewish.

[MAZDAKPRODUCTION]

I just found a book that says I own the US and that God gave it to me. So please help me get rid of all of you so I settle in my god given land.

[ye32]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION

The Arabs invaded this area that they call "Palestine" in the 7th century, and the Jews were already there and established 2 states that were called Israel and Yehudah in 1,500 B.C.

Since then it is the Homeland of the Jews.

There was NEVER a "Palestinian nation" and ther was NEVER a "Palestinian state". The lie, that as if there is a Palestinian nation was invented in 1963 by Gammal Abdul Nasser - the Egyptian president at that time.

[arcz10]

@ye32 was the EXODUS just a Charlton Heston movie, or did the Jews actually come form Egypt.?

[MAZDAKPRODUCTION]

@ye32 You have chosen to believe a statement upon which you choose to displace people. Regardless of how you choose to prove your point, the act of displacing people is exactly just that. Displacing people is against all international laws therefore you are committing a punishable crime.

[blueblue1891]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION you don't even know what you are talking about son of Satan.

Your knowledge of history is questionable at best also your knowledge of your man made laws.

[ye32]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION

1

On the day of the independence declaration and as a part of that declaration it was said:

"WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions."

[ye32]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION

2.

Any decent person knows that the arabs living in Israel have more rights than in any arab country. They have the right to vote and to be elected to the Knesset, they have the right to study in any university they choose, and so on, as any other citizen of Israel.

Israel is the ONLY democratic state in the middle east.

I am an Israeli Jew living in Israel, and I have arab friends, so don't try to sell me the bullshit you try to sell to others.

[MAZDAKPRODUCTION]

@ye32 So how many hours do you wait in line to go home?? how many guns are pointed at you at check points, treating you like a prisoner?? Do Jews have to go through the same interrogation as the Palestinians have to go through??? If not Then Israel is not democratic period.

[ye32]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION

As long as the children of the "Palestinians" would be exposed to the propaganda, to the incitement and to the brain wash at their schools and kindergartens, to hate Jews they would be subjected to inspections and delay at the borders.

[mrswinniepinnie]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION If the ARab Palestinians weren't continually trying to bomb Israelis there would be no need for walls and checkpoints. You imprison yourselves.

[RealTwitchProduction]

@mrswinniepinnie ^^^^



[baruchlanda]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION As a matter of fact, as an American Jew living in Israel, I can tell you that Jews go through the SAME process at security checkpoints that Arabs do. I must empty my pockets, pass through metal detectors, RANDOM strip searches (on more than numerous occassions) - all while having a few soldiers with guns watching very closely. So yeah, it may take longer for the Arabs to get home because there are more checkpoints for them but Jews go through the same thing.

[poupounina]

@MAZDAKPRODUCTION This is GREAT!!! I want to help you!!!

[TheLORDismySheperd1]

Great video! Provencia Judea, renamed "Provencia Palaestina" in 135 AD by Roman emperor Hadrian.