wait, so this guy is claiming the Christians in Jerusalem were converting by the hundreds on their own turf? is this guy on crack?! where did he 4get 2 read abt the muslims forcing the Christians by the sward to convert or die! these Christians that converted had no choice n thousands were also killed if they refused! hes a historian n hes having a hard tym uttering the word "forced" to convert? i was liking the show until he blatantly lied like that. cant watch anymore. sick!
I'm a descendant of Bohemond, Raynald of Chatillio and Baldwin II through Bela III of Hungary.
I wish the Franks sent larger reinforcements and that the Crusaders were more like Raynald. Unlike the other crusaders Raynald didn't want to make deals with the cursed saracens and tried to push into Arabia.
I can't understand why people on both sides can't say that it was just a terrible time in which both sides committed terrible acts? I think that when we continue to point the finger at the other side and say "they did it" we're in danger of repeating history because it seems we can't learn from it.
Perhaps the crusades were launched with just cause. I think however that it's not productive to imagine that they were completely justly executed.
Yes. But does Christianity? These lame asses who are lead by the likes of FalseCrusadeHistory are a bunch of neo-con American rednecks and Christianity has died with them. Notice how they never talk about Christianity unless its in the context of the crusades. They don't care about their religion and this is just another outlet and form for their racist hate. In the end though, they fool nobody and humiliate only themselves.
islams true name is mohammadism, the cult of mohammad
islam has no claim on jerusalem, it is not mentioned once in the koran, it is a land grab
there was no superior arab culture, their knowledge had been copied and derived from the west and India
islam is lies and cruelty, it is the cult of a power hungry and sex obsessed man.
If mohammad were alive today he would be in an ayslum, jail, flying aircraft into buildings or cutting peoples heads off - most people would not be listening to him.
It was necessary to pick one's way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what happened at the Temple of Solomon, a place where religious services are normally chanted ... in the Temple and the porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins.
[ August C. Krey, The First Crusade: The Accounts of Eye-Witnesses and Participants, Princeton & London, 1921, p.261,
This sounds an awful lot like one of RealBullshitHistory's other accounts. If only you were more clever, and if only you didn't have an effeminate voice, normal people might listen to you. I see you continue to take pages out of my book by repeating what I say like a parrot, so maybe we'll see a change in tactics.
One of the Crusaders, Raymond of Aguiles, boasted of this violence: Wonderful sights were to be seen. Some of our men (and this was more merciful) cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by casting them into flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen in the streets of the city.
make sure you read the place where it says that the crusaders plundered from innocent Christian pilgrims!!!
And also try and read books where it says the knight templar's were HOMOSEXUAL and URINATED on the cross! and then were later were declared heretics by the church and many were burnt at the stake!!!!
Wow. He says that he makes brilliant points all the time. Vain and cowardly, in every thought, word, and deed. Just like the long destroyed crusaders and catholics.
I come on youtube once every couple of days or so, and I see comments on my page and i reply to them. I have no problem with it. But you also continue to reply, and I have no problem with that. Do you see me complaining about your "thinking" about me?
You cannot avoid me. Every little thing I say and do gets under your skin and drives you out of your mind. It's very funny to watch, honestly. Your total refusal to face the reality of the Crusades seems to be at the root of your hatred of me and the truth that I spread. One need only take a look at the top scholars in Crusades history today. They agree with me and they denounce your views as nonsense.
As Donald Queller of The University of Illinois put it, "the French knights wanted more land. Italian merchants hoped to expand trade in Middle Eastern ports... Large numbers of poor people joined the expeditions simply to escape the hardships of their normal lives."1[source = 1 World Book Encyclopedia, "Crusades," Contributor: Donald E. Queller, Ph.D.,
Prof. of History, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana- Champaign, World Book Inc., 1998]
The assertions above have been refuted by historians such as Thomas Madden and Jonathan Riley-Smith. And as a result serious younger historians are abandoning these popular but historically incorrect views.
Perhaps I should have been more specific. I was rather referring to the myth that the Crusaders were only interested riches and lands, which seems to be repeated in your quote. Crusading was very expensive, and crusaders rarely won back their expenses. Most crusaders took up the cross out of Christian charity. The eastern crusades were defensive wars.
So what if they were expensive? If you think that you can double or triple your investment through plunder then expense would be relative wouldn't it? The war in Iraq is expensive, so is the one in Afghanistan. All wars are expensive. This is a moot point.
You're such a buffoon. Did you not pay attention to Dr. Madden's arguments? You think you know more than him? You're lack of intelligence is astounding, although I suppose I wouldn't expect much else from an uneducated barely literate imbecile like you.
Fuck "doctor" maddens "arguments". And trying to turn what I said to you 180 degrees back to me is not very ogirinal, neither is your redneck racists crap.
Ah I see, you know more than Tom Madden. Who is he? Just the foremost Crusades authority in the United States today. When I was looking for grad schools I e-mailed Jonathan Riley-Smith and asked him where I should go in the US to study the Crusades. He said, get in touch with Thomas Madden. I got the same thing from the medieval history dept at Berkley. Madden knows everything about this period. If you have a problem with him, then it's pretty clear who is in error: you.
I'm glad that you made this comment. If all the nonsense you frequently spew doesn't already make it quite plain that your opinions are unhistorical and based in hate, then your comment about Dr. Madden makes it as plain as day.
Just in case you try to delete that comment, I will quote it right here for all to see:
"Fuck "doctor" maddens "arguments"."
-habartalanked commenting on the research of Dr. Thomas Madden.
I don't delete anything. It is you who delete, omit, lie and block replies to your bullshit. I want everybody to see it. And I want you to tell us if you really plan on writing a paper in your "university" of the same nature as your posts and your videos. I highly doubt it, seeing as you are a coward like all other cowards, including the crusaders.
The Crusaders were great heroes who destroyed fools like you. Your hatred of them is rooted in your feelings of inferiority in light of their excellence. You are like a frightened, angry little rat in the shadow of their power and glory.
Historians believe Urban II's venture was prompted by his desire to thwart the candidacy of a rival to the papacy. Furthermore, while European kings, princes, aristocrats and others greeted the pope's call with excitement, their intentions were basically mundane.
The founder of the Crusades was Pope Urban II. He summoned the Council of Clermont, in 1095, in which the former pacifist doctrine of the Christians was abandoned. A holy war was called for, with the intent to
wrest the holy lands from the hands of the Muslims. Following the council, a huge army of Crusaders was formed, composed both of professional soldiers, and tens of thousands of ordinary people
Please provide scriptural or patristic evidence for this claim. Obviously you haven't studied the doctrine of just war, formulated by St Ambrose and St Augustine.
The Amsterdam appeals court has ordered the prosecution of a Dutch member of parliament for criticising Islam.
Geert Wilders a dutch politician, who made a film called Fitna, critical of islam using facts & quotes from the koran is to be prosecuted by the Dutch court.
If you disagree with this go to the "In defence of Geert Wilders petition" site and sign the petition.
It may be the Netherlands now but which country and whose speech, film or music is next?
Thanks for the upload. Dennis is right; the Crusades are one of the most shamefully misunderstood events in the history of Western civilization. To interpret them as wars of aggression, borne of ignorance, is a self-injurious perversion that is sadly all too common. Prof. Madden sets the record straight by showing us that they were defensive wars against an expanionist Islam. The main complaint one should have is regarding the shameful sack of Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade.
wait, so this guy is claiming the Christians in Jerusalem were converting by the hundreds on their own turf? is this guy on crack?! where did he 4get 2 read abt the muslims forcing the Christians by the sward to convert or die! these Christians that converted had no choice n thousands were also killed if they refused! hes a historian n hes having a hard tym uttering the word "forced" to convert? i was liking the show until he blatantly lied like that. cant watch anymore. sick!
HelloWorld1947 6 months ago
I'm a descendant of Bohemond, Raynald of Chatillio and Baldwin II through Bela III of Hungary.
I wish the Franks sent larger reinforcements and that the Crusaders were more like Raynald. Unlike the other crusaders Raynald didn't want to make deals with the cursed saracens and tried to push into Arabia.
forestfeanor 1 year ago 2
Great book. Everyone should read it. RIGHT NOW.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago 3
I can't understand why people on both sides can't say that it was just a terrible time in which both sides committed terrible acts? I think that when we continue to point the finger at the other side and say "they did it" we're in danger of repeating history because it seems we can't learn from it.
Perhaps the crusades were launched with just cause. I think however that it's not productive to imagine that they were completely justly executed.
Would it even be possible?
ninjazwithattitude 2 years ago
They were not justly executed because Islam still exists.
Romy108 2 years ago 2
Yes. But does Christianity? These lame asses who are lead by the likes of FalseCrusadeHistory are a bunch of neo-con American rednecks and Christianity has died with them. Notice how they never talk about Christianity unless its in the context of the crusades. They don't care about their religion and this is just another outlet and form for their racist hate. In the end though, they fool nobody and humiliate only themselves.
habartalanked 2 years ago
Why are so many Muslims so narrow-minded that authentic history throws them into hysterics?
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago 2
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islams true name is mohammadism, the cult of mohammad
islam has no claim on jerusalem, it is not mentioned once in the koran, it is a land grab
there was no superior arab culture, their knowledge had been copied and derived from the west and India
islam is lies and cruelty, it is the cult of a power hungry and sex obsessed man.
If mohammad were alive today he would be in an ayslum, jail, flying aircraft into buildings or cutting peoples heads off - most people would not be listening to him.
TheCrusaderFortress 2 years ago 3
It was necessary to pick one's way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared to what happened at the Temple of Solomon, a place where religious services are normally chanted ... in the Temple and the porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins.
[ August C. Krey, The First Crusade: The Accounts of Eye-Witnesses and Participants, Princeton & London, 1921, p.261,
(emphasis added)]
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
It is obvious you haven't read Prof. Madden's book, nor have you listened to the interview.
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
this is proof that you are a retard
Korianne75 2 years ago
This sounds an awful lot like one of RealBullshitHistory's other accounts. If only you were more clever, and if only you didn't have an effeminate voice, normal people might listen to you. I see you continue to take pages out of my book by repeating what I say like a parrot, so maybe we'll see a change in tactics.
habartalanked 2 years ago
One of the Crusaders, Raymond of Aguiles, boasted of this violence: Wonderful sights were to be seen. Some of our men (and this was more merciful) cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by casting them into flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen in the streets of the city.
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
I love Raymond of Aguiliers' chronicle. It's a wonderful read.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago
make sure you read the place where it says that the crusaders plundered from innocent Christian pilgrims!!!
And also try and read books where it says the knight templar's were HOMOSEXUAL and URINATED on the cross! and then were later were declared heretics by the church and many were burnt at the stake!!!!
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
You're a moron if you believe that nonsense. You're a total buffoon.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago 2
Do you ever stop insulting people? Make a point or stfu.
habartalanked 2 years ago
I make brilliant points all the time. You are simply incapable of following coherent logic because you are utterly ignorant and fanatical.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago
Wow. He says that he makes brilliant points all the time. Vain and cowardly, in every thought, word, and deed. Just like the long destroyed crusaders and catholics.
habartalanked 2 years ago
You are obsessed with me. It's like I'm all you can think about.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago
I come on youtube once every couple of days or so, and I see comments on my page and i reply to them. I have no problem with it. But you also continue to reply, and I have no problem with that. Do you see me complaining about your "thinking" about me?
habartalanked 2 years ago
You cannot avoid me. Every little thing I say and do gets under your skin and drives you out of your mind. It's very funny to watch, honestly. Your total refusal to face the reality of the Crusades seems to be at the root of your hatred of me and the truth that I spread. One need only take a look at the top scholars in Crusades history today. They agree with me and they denounce your views as nonsense.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago
In two days, the Crusader army killed some 40,000 Muslims in the
most barbaric manner
[4 August C. Krey, The First Crusade: The Accounts of Eye-Witnesses and Participants, Princeton & London, 1921, p.262]
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
In the words of one historian, "They killed all the Saracens and the Turks they
found... whether male of female."[ Geste Francorum, or the Deeds of the
Franks and the Other Pilgrims to Jerusalem,
trans. Rosalind Hill, London, 1962, p.91,
(emphasis added)]
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
As Donald Queller of The University of Illinois put it, "the French knights wanted more land. Italian merchants hoped to expand trade in Middle Eastern ports... Large numbers of poor people joined the expeditions simply to escape the hardships of their normal lives."1[source = 1 World Book Encyclopedia, "Crusades," Contributor: Donald E. Queller, Ph.D.,
Prof. of History, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana- Champaign, World Book Inc., 1998]
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
The assertions above have been refuted by historians such as Thomas Madden and Jonathan Riley-Smith. And as a result serious younger historians are abandoning these popular but historically incorrect views.
DimDrumsThrobbing 2 years ago
DIDNT YOU SEE THE DATE????
how can IT be refuted if it was put up in 1998???
didnt Thomas Madden and Jonathan Riley-Smith come BEFORE Donald E. Queller, Ph.D.,
Prof. of History, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana- Champaign, World Book Inc., 1998] ????
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
Perhaps I should have been more specific. I was rather referring to the myth that the Crusaders were only interested riches and lands, which seems to be repeated in your quote. Crusading was very expensive, and crusaders rarely won back their expenses. Most crusaders took up the cross out of Christian charity. The eastern crusades were defensive wars.
DimDrumsThrobbing 2 years ago
So what if they were expensive? If you think that you can double or triple your investment through plunder then expense would be relative wouldn't it? The war in Iraq is expensive, so is the one in Afghanistan. All wars are expensive. This is a moot point.
habartalanked 2 years ago
You're such a buffoon. Did you not pay attention to Dr. Madden's arguments? You think you know more than him? You're lack of intelligence is astounding, although I suppose I wouldn't expect much else from an uneducated barely literate imbecile like you.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago
Fuck "doctor" maddens "arguments". And trying to turn what I said to you 180 degrees back to me is not very ogirinal, neither is your redneck racists crap.
habartalanked 2 years ago
Ah I see, you know more than Tom Madden. Who is he? Just the foremost Crusades authority in the United States today. When I was looking for grad schools I e-mailed Jonathan Riley-Smith and asked him where I should go in the US to study the Crusades. He said, get in touch with Thomas Madden. I got the same thing from the medieval history dept at Berkley. Madden knows everything about this period. If you have a problem with him, then it's pretty clear who is in error: you.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago 2
I'm glad that you made this comment. If all the nonsense you frequently spew doesn't already make it quite plain that your opinions are unhistorical and based in hate, then your comment about Dr. Madden makes it as plain as day.
Just in case you try to delete that comment, I will quote it right here for all to see:
"Fuck "doctor" maddens "arguments"."
-habartalanked commenting on the research of Dr. Thomas Madden.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago 5
I don't delete anything. It is you who delete, omit, lie and block replies to your bullshit. I want everybody to see it. And I want you to tell us if you really plan on writing a paper in your "university" of the same nature as your posts and your videos. I highly doubt it, seeing as you are a coward like all other cowards, including the crusaders.
habartalanked 2 years ago
The Crusaders were great heroes who destroyed fools like you. Your hatred of them is rooted in your feelings of inferiority in light of their excellence. You are like a frightened, angry little rat in the shadow of their power and glory.
RealCrusadeHistory 2 years ago 5
@RealCrusadeHistory
YOUR MOM IS A BITCH AND YOU DONT NOW WHOS YOUR FATHER. BASTARDO
Crusades1915 1 month ago
Historians believe Urban II's venture was prompted by his desire to thwart the candidacy of a rival to the papacy. Furthermore, while European kings, princes, aristocrats and others greeted the pope's call with excitement, their intentions were basically mundane.
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
The founder of the Crusades was Pope Urban II. He summoned the Council of Clermont, in 1095, in which the former pacifist doctrine of the Christians was abandoned. A holy war was called for, with the intent to
wrest the holy lands from the hands of the Muslims. Following the council, a huge army of Crusaders was formed, composed both of professional soldiers, and tens of thousands of ordinary people
wantedtomspencer 2 years ago
"former pacifist doctrine of the Christians"
Please provide scriptural or patristic evidence for this claim. Obviously you haven't studied the doctrine of just war, formulated by St Ambrose and St Augustine.
DimDrumsThrobbing 2 years ago
How about turning the other cheek? Is that not in your scripture or have I been reading the wrong version of the bible?
habartalanked 2 years ago
I'v read Thomas Madden's book. Excellent reading!
Expeldarkness 3 years ago
Een ander uitstekend boek is The Crusades: A History door Jonathan Riley-Smith.
Thomas Madden heeft trouwens ook een aantal interessante artikelen geschreven over de Inquisitie. Te vinden op zijn website thomasmadden [punt] org.
DimDrumsThrobbing 2 years ago
The Amsterdam appeals court has ordered the prosecution of a Dutch member of parliament for criticising Islam.
Geert Wilders a dutch politician, who made a film called Fitna, critical of islam using facts & quotes from the koran is to be prosecuted by the Dutch court.
If you disagree with this go to the "In defence of Geert Wilders petition" site and sign the petition.
It may be the Netherlands now but which country and whose speech, film or music is next?
gh56hg65 3 years ago
Thanks for the upload. Dennis is right; the Crusades are one of the most shamefully misunderstood events in the history of Western civilization. To interpret them as wars of aggression, borne of ignorance, is a self-injurious perversion that is sadly all too common. Prof. Madden sets the record straight by showing us that they were defensive wars against an expanionist Islam. The main complaint one should have is regarding the shameful sack of Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade.
WelfareRobot 3 years ago