Online gun dealer Eric Thompson debates Paul Helmke

[MuscIeBound]

People have fucking guns at college already! I didn't carry on campus, but in my off campus aprtment I had handguns. Give me a fucking break. Not every frat boy is going to run out and buy a gun because now they're allowed too. People who care enough to want the gun already are going to be the only people carrying. You can carry anywhere else you want, why the hell can't I carry on campus? I guess being on campus makes you violent somehow.

[SpiroHrvoje1989]

Now if only TGSCOM could ship me my gun and not steal my money!

[classics4lf]

I don't know but if everyone had a gun wouldn't you think twice about starting something that's the ain reason why the us doesn't blow the shit out of korea

[Grunt922]

paul helmke just got shit on.

[Benweaves]

am i the only one who sits here and thinks do i really need a gun to kill some one? wont my bare hands do just as well? whats Paul gonna do put restrictions on hands?

[CornMakesWhiskey]

@bloodngutspatriot I would too, screw paul helmke, he is a ideologically corrupt, pessimistic, and anti personal rights, freedom, and liberty individual.

He preys on emotion, fear, and circumstance. GO 2A, NRA, and USA!

[CJL1290]

@2012flp Stop being racist. I'm asian and it's a good chance that I could fire better shots then you can.

[dreamingsnake]

What if Paul were killed with a crossbow? Or a bow and arrow or a knife? What then?

[greygoosevodka1]

im glad fox and friends got rid of these douchbags but fox is still as bad as any liberal news outlet because they are a bunch of liberals

[pjicleanair420]

A gun in the hand is better then a cop on the phone

[pjicleanair420]

Paul Helmke is the perfect example of a scumbag with no brain.

[island4diver]

I'm a Second Amendment Liberal.. and anyone that isn't has a pre-Bush mentality. It can happen here.

[Crow762]

LOL that faggot Paul gotten fucking raped in the debate lol.

[GypsyRider]

what a crock of crap, I'm a firearms instructor and have been for 20 years and I have PLENTY of firearms in my home and there has never been gun violence in my home Mr. POS Helmke

[TheSerpant1483]

I found this cause my name is Eric Thompson and I searched my name! :D All people should have a 12G shotgun on them at all times. ITS IN MAH CONSTITUTION OF RIGHTS!

[wmtipton]

When Im in a restaurant I want EVERYONE else to be packing a gun.

That way if some Brady nut comes in shooting someone can stop him before he kills 30 innocent people.

[Hoschi0913]

what bothers me is ,why is nobody asking a car dealer that sold a car to the drunken driver that just killed an entire family by running a red light ,what he feels now ? and btw dont make it harder for lawabiding citizens,make it harder for the criminals,besides you guys in DC have a duty to protect us from those criminals and not a Duty to make us defenceless

[island4diver]

@Hoschi0913 or the bar tender

[armypenguin]

How about you actually enforce the laws out there with force and not put new laws IDIOTS.

[glenbjack]

i hate when people dont answer the question....Paul Helmke!!!

[RightWingCon81]

One OTHER student with a gun on that campus would have ended that massacre. Paul Helmke is a moron, if you have several people with guns you don't suddenly have cowboy shootouts over beer pong.

[ArcyTheFurryArcanine]

@RightWingCon81

He isn't a moron. He is deliberately deceptive. Him and the Brady bunch KNOW that gun control doesn't reduce crime. They want your guns for the same reason why a person becomes a dictator: Control and power. He is however, a moron for thinking that he can get away with it and take our guns. Id live to see him try and take mine, I have a nice lead sandwich waiting for his ass.

[noquie1]

Helmke doesn't like free people or rights...

[M4Kpl]

Illigal guns=slavery nation.

[Ofatbastard]

If the student knows use of force laws, an expert in the wpn that they carry, and know retention techniques, they should carry. Statistics are nothing on either side.

[ithouston]

I legally carry my gun on campus every day.

[nolaOE800]

@ithouston

AND YOU HAVEN'T KILLED ANYONE YET? wow, you're blowing my mind! i didn't think it was possible to carry a gun and not turn into a brutal murderer!

haha, that was my "ignorant liberal cunt" impression.

i also carry open and/or concealed. enjoy the 2nd amendment while you still got it! rock on.

[BHarris25]

"We're not anti gun" lol, I hope when someone does take Helmke out that they stab him. Why give him more ammo as a martyr

[tsxws]

"we are not anti gun". I mean I knew Helmke was a liar, but wow....

[nolaOE800]

montana - 90% of homes in montana have a gun in them. coincidentally, montana also boasts the LOWEST violent crime rate in the country.

[nolaOE800]

look at some real statistics.

more LEGAL guns = less violent crime. make it harder to LEGALLY obtain a gun, and violet crime skyrockets.

go to the Centers for Disease Control website. it has more official statistics than you know what to do with!

bottom line, you can't trust the mainstream news for accurate information. they have sponsors just like Wal-mart does. DO SOME REAL RESEARCH AND IT WILL BECOME OBVIOUS!

[SayNoToNRAGunNuts]

@nolaOE800 Actually its less poverty = less crime.

[nolaOE800]

@SayNoToNRAGunNuts

congratulations. you just helped prove my pro-gun viewpoint.

if poverty is the issue, (which I actually agree with), then why is the legal gun market being attacked? attack the poverty problem! and no, we have enough proof that the welfare state only encourages poverty. giving someone a government check every so often only perpetuates the problem, and gives them a sense of entitlement without working for it. your story is so easy to pick apart.

[SayNoToNRAGunNuts]

@nolaOE800 Yeah, but I destroyed your "more guns = less crime" argument. People who are desperate for money are going to commit their crimes anyways and would tool up. On the other hand, if we reduce the poverty gap (like they do in Europe, where crime is low) by redistributing wealth, they we will see a true reduction in crime.

[nolaOE800]

@SayNoToNRAGunNuts

HAHAHA!!!!!!! yea, government subsidies have worked so well in the housing projects across the country, haven't they. even with the proof RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE that liberalism is destroying the country as we speak, you STILL cling to it.

[island4diver]

@nolaOE800 No corporate greed is and authoritarian right wingers are. Helmke is the latter.

[island4diver]

@SayNoToNRAGunNuts I agree, but history and culture have even more to do with murder and crime. Both sides are wrong, no correlation nor causation either way. But still have to face the fact that "guns awash" European countries (Finland, Norway, Switzerland, Austria) all have lower crime rates than say UK or Netherlands. Silencers are completely legal in Norway, Finland, France, and New Zealand. Finland is #1 in households with guns 51%, ours is 40%) then Norway, Canada, Switzerland.

[island4diver]

@nolaOE800 Fix poverty? Problem is not welfare, problem is what used to be middle class is now the working poor. Back to the 1950s income tax structure. Ike was right. Pull out of NAFTA and GATT, bring good paying union jobs back with high tariffs, which is what every other country does. Middle class restored, more jobs. With few exceptions, people would rather work. Leftist? Yeah. Pro-gun? Yeah!

[nolaOE800]

no, no. Wal-Mart, or anyone else for that matter, is not making it harder for criminals to buy guns. what they're doing is making it harder for LAW ABIDING citizens to buy guns.

news flash! CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY LAWS! THERE'S MORE GUNS FLOATING AROUND THE GETTOS AND HOUSING PROJECTS THAN THERE ARE IN WAL-MART! wake the fuck up, morons!

[Kabloooy]

Paul Helmke is a professional liar. It's amazing that people don't just call this joker out and call him what he is. He's a damn lying politician dirtbag.

The fact that he says he's "not anti-gun" says it all.

It's like Hitler saying he's not anti-Jewish.

I can't believe that news agencies even give this jerk air time.

[Handcannonk]

We created this government. They work for us!!! Fuck The BRADY CAMPAIGN

[dadoody]

Don't get angry. Get pen to paper.

That's how we do things in a Republic.

[altops]

Supreme Court Decision of Prinz Mack Vs. U.S. /Clinton administration,, : "The Federal Government may not compel the States to enact or administer a federal regulatory program." -like background checks. The Federal Government may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command the States' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program.

[pattycrack]

i know a guy who sold an ax at homedepot the customer went home and killed his family.and recently some homeless dude wanted to go back to jail so he wentup to some lady outside toysr us and killed her with a knife.point is killers kill they dont need a gun.

[IceBlood888]

If guns kill people then pencils miss spell words. Only a moron can argue the point against carrying a gun and only an intellectual knows that a sensible person would not invade a home knowing that someone is carrying a 12 gauge shotgun. Paul Helmke is against constitutional rights. "Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants" - Benjamin Franklin. But no its fine take away any means of defending ourselves like you give a F*** anyways...stupid reds.

[seanxvw]

"If guns kill people then pencils miss spell words"

lmao great point "IceBlood888"

[IceBlood888]

Ha yeah...But what America needs and what the morons should argue that are against our constitutional ammendment is that we need more background checks and enforcement. Anything but this is just a load of s**t that the mass media loves us to feel and agree upon.

[altops]

,,,but stupid people perpetuate stupidity.

[MikeofWyoming]

Fight the liberal agenda! If they have there way life will be like the world in Demolition man...I like cheeseburgers ,cigarettes and classic cars god dammit!!!

[IceBlood888]

I love all that except cigarettes...becuase people are irresponsible with them. But yeah ^_^ cheeseburgers rule :P.....

[MikeofWyoming]

People are irresponsible with every single thing on planet earth. I fancy myself a grown man, and I dont need aunt sam telling me whats good for me!

[island4diver]

@MikeofWyoming the anti gunner is a Republican, most of the leaders are. The rank an file are what I call drug store liberal (like drug store cowboy). Where in Wyoming are you? I am from Rock Springs.

[MikeofWyoming]

@island4diver Green River.

[AAL]

tgscom sold the guns to the gym shooter and VA tech.

Way to go guys! How does it feel to kill?

[louie000007]

wow that shows ur level of intelligence! we should how liable any store that sells bats, knives, axes, chainsaws etc. aswell according to ur simple thinking! i love u faceless anoymous fucks that try to get some sort of attention online since one does offline.

[crazyfast999]

Ok, idiot. Listen up, get the facts. This was a LEGAL transaction. TGSCOM set up the transfer at another dealer. It was a face to face transaction. You cant blame anyone for it.

[30BulletHoles]

Paul Helmke should have been aborted.

[primeribs1]

belive me people,i live in the uk and having no guns is like living without legs! dont let these pussy footed liberials take your guns away!!! your country will slowly spiral into a controled police state!

[Maxwedge12000]

Hey you gun grabbing liberals, YOU LOST.

[island4diver]

@Maxwedge12000 Hate to break it to you, but Helmke, Brady and all the founders bigshots are conservatives. All of them. A few fake liberals make up the rank and file, such as it is.

[island4diver]

@Maxwedge12000 I'm a Second Amendment Liberal.. and anyone that isn't has a pre-Bush mentality. It can happen here.

[crazychrisva]

I don't see any reason in wasting time debating this. Eric Thompson is a true American who had the balls to go to VT to give a speech. Paul Helmke is a Douchebag, nothing more, nothing less.

[TheProsecuter]

Paul Helmke needs to get mauled by a Polar Bear.

[wtfallnamestaken]

agreed, Guns dont kill people. Retards with suicidal tendencies do. Guns aren't the problems, the people with the guns are. Paul = Should be shot... To complete the irony.

[dadoody]

I used to think guns were the answer until all the people I shot and killed came back after me when they respawned.

[weloveanimetoo]

if u ask me, kids should be aloud to carry and encourged to carry a knife, but the teacher should be aloud a gun. im pro guns,

[fortsmith1]

Paul Helmke is a lying liberal communist asshole.

[lavahornet2]

Actually, he is a Republican. No joke. And there are anti-gun right wingers and there are pro-gun left wingers too. And I am left-winger that supports the 2nd amendment, including evil black rifles and handguns :). Not all lefties/liberals are anti-gun.

[fortsmith1]

Glad to hear your pro gun.

[island4diver]

@fortsmith1 All of the heads of the anti gun groups are conservatives or right wingers. I have not found a liberal among them yet. The rank and file tend to be liberal. Like lavahornet2, I make Obama look like Reagan and I am as pro second amendment as you. Not all conservatives are pro gun, look at Bill Buckley, Rudy, and the anti gun big shots.

[island4diver]

@fortsmith1 Actually Helmke is a lying conservative authoritarian asshole. Most of the founders and leaders are including brady.

[mrscojoe]

Why is paul always ranting about frat houses and dorm rooms and guns getting stolen out of backpacks? Does he think college campuses are cesspools of anarchy and crime? WTF? Does this guy ACTUALLY take himself seriously?

[dadoody]

He' makes a pretty good point. There are a lot of douchebags in college.

THat being said, I'd like to be armed to defend myself against those same douchebags if they're packing.

[wtfallnamestaken]

LOL! I love this kid!

[island4diver]

@mrscojoe I don't think any of these people believe their own propaganda. To any culture warrior/moral crusader the ends justifies the means.

[MrPatriotOne]

Paul can kiss my gun toting ass!

[jdfarmerboy2640]

The good old Paul Helmke "open your mouth slightly and shake your head while the other guy talks". He's been the best tool in screwing the Brady Campaign.

[filthywalrus]

man, you can feel the hate between those two guys. if they were in a room together i'd bet they would be fist-fighting halfway through this thing.

[tardbuster007]

Wonder if IBM, Dell, HP, etal feels responsible for the calamity with our economy.....they made billions by selling computers to the Wall St hacks who scammed many out of millions of dollars. Helmke needs to go after them.

[tardbuster007]

Helmke is an embarassment...

[Txman1996]

Paul Helmke is an insect. EVERY SINGLE THING THIS GUY HAS TO SAY IS COMPLETLY WRONG AND/OR FRAUGHT WITH ERROR. IN THIS FACE TO FACE MEETING, HE CLAIMS THAT INTERNET GUN COMPANIES SIMPLY HAND-OUT WEAPONS TO RANDOM PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF ACCOUNTABILITY. HE FAILS TO MENTION THAT ALL GUN PURCHASES MUST GO THROUGH A LEGITIMATE FFL WHO MUST PHYSICALLY COMPLETE A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THE BUYER. That's right, Punked again Helmke you retard! Keep trying to convince people we need Mexican gun laws.

[island4diver]

@Txman1996 Or Jamaican gun laws.

[2pac057]

look i was stupid trying to be the hardest cuz some bullshit and i had a gun but i wasnt stupid like losing controle after a fight or somthing same dude sold a gun to a friend and he smoked someone from my school for a fucking bag

im 15 now and i still have controle of my friends but dont wear a gun

[sigpro15]

There are gun shows and NRA meetings and lots of places where I have been where there was hundreds of people carrying a firearm. If guns are so dangerous how come mass shootings never happend in those places? It only happens in "gun free" zones like schools.

[Dustypilgrim1]

Private ownership of handguns was banned in the UK in 1997.

Like all UK handgun shooters I had to surrender my legally held handguns.

I had never broken a law, was and am an exemplary law abiding citizen .

Use of handguins in crimes has risen by 600 percent since the ban.

Disarming the law abiding will never have a significant effect of gun-crime.

I agree with strict gun controls. Anyone serious about firearms should not mind a few forms and checks , unless they would fail them.

[mbraase]

Dustypilgrim - You wrote last month "Anyone serious about firearms should not mind a few forms and checks, unless they would fail them."

What you fail to understand is in America, we have a "Bill of Rights" that protects our "Rights" to own firearms. We look at the overbearing forms and checks as an infringement on those rights. While background checks are good, we don't need to go further. Would you want the government giving licenses to reporters to allow them to report? I think Not

[Dustypilgrim1]

I understand your legal rights issue fine.

I just believe that any responsible person would not run scared from a few forms , and even a medical verification . That does not remove the right to own firearms, it modifies it. In the UK we have a rediculous situation where we cannot own firearms in any active way. However , I would hate the situation in USA where some moron has an equal right to own them as the law abiding and mentally competent. I support arms rights,and controls.

[blackprophetmmii]

The end of the road in terms of making lists and enforcing authoritarian is extermination.

The issue here in the united states is that feel good liberals spend too much time writing ineffective assault weapon laws, and apologizing for the actions of a felon.

They need to spend more time prosecuting and locking up violent criminals, and less time creating draconian laws that do little aside from harassing law abiding citizens.

[blackprophetmmii]

Also, in the UK, I believe that you have a number of people looking to ban kitchen knives. You have all been so far disarmed and given up so many of your rights that I refuse to use the term british citizen. I am very sad to say that you are subjects and are well on the way to being slaves.

[Dustypilgrim1]

OK, so how would an idiot that believes such utter crap explain the four shotguns and two rifles in my gunsafes....

I am very sad to say that you are obviously an uninformed cretin.

And when it comes to slavery , please recall that we did away with it long before your constitution got round to it.

So maybe the main effect of your constitution is you make you just a bit slow on the uptake.

Scared of a few forms...YeeHaaa, thats the pioneer spirit.

[blackprophetmmii]

Forms, and background checks are perfectly fine, and something I voted for so long as the records cannot be used for unlawful confiscation on down the road.

The world never got rid of slavery, and I believe it never will. The tools simply changed, and became more sophisticated. Economic, or social slavery are very real in many parts of the world.

The UK is somewhere in between complete freedom and slavery, and so are Americans.

[XCaliber40]

Where are your handguns? How many People/Gov Agency's know exactly what is in your safe and who owns them?

[island4diver]

@Dustypilgrim1 One of my Lit teachers said that George Orwell was writing about UK in 1984. Not so much about the guns but the street cams, your libel laws that let corporations run amok.

[Dustypilgrim1]

@island4diver Orwell wrote 1984 there was no such thing as a street cam.1984 was written in late 40's.If your Lit teacher thinks 1984 was written about Britain, move classes/schools.1984 is about extremism,left and right,a teacher should know that.A good one would..Perhaps you should remind that teacher that the US BoR is closely based on the British Bill of Rights,that came before it,and that the constitution was based on the writings of mainly British natural philosophers.

[island4diver]

@Dustypilgrim1 I know, not so much street cams per se, but he and I read in a bio of him that he thought UK was headed to authoritarian nightmare. Have to read up on BBR, I know about Magna Carta and Canadian Charter. Thanks.

[island4diver]

@Dustypilgrim1 So how did the PM and Crown explain the use of guns going up and overall rate staying the same?

[WindRider707]

So he wants only his approved 'authorities' to have access to weapons? Isn't that the history of planet Earth and all subsequent atrocities - the USA is a final ground of freedom, and a pinnacle of political evolution. Don't try to take us back to what it has always been; oppression.

[KillFrenzie]

Heres one for ya. Guns are available in the military I don't see people in class over there whipping out guns and firing randomly.

[island4diver]

@KillFrenzie Guns are in the unit armory until issued out unless you are talking about Switzerland or unless you are talking about marksmanship training. Better question is why you never see Swiss or Israeli people machine gunning trains and schools. Civilians have easy access to automatic weapons in both places.

[sixfivecreedmoor]

These dickheads act like you can order a gun online and have the UPS man just drop it off at the house. WHEN THEY GET THE GODDAMNED BALLS TO PROSECUTE CRIMINALS, THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL "GUN VIOLENCE" END!

It pisses me off...I saw on the Brady site that my home state, Louisiana, was tied for the lowest "anti-gun" score - 2 out of 100. I wish this dipshit would tell me what we needed to do to get the last two points pulled!

[54fordgasser]

Will someone please explain to Helmke that the reason that he would feel less safe in a society that is armed is the same reason why a criminal feels less comfortable to commit a crime in that environment.

[DobermansRock]

Maybe he is a criminal.

[island4diver]

@DobermansRock Republican politician, most likely. Democratic politician? Most likely too.

[ATsarnas]

stupid asshole its not his fault that the dick shot people they just want to get rid of guns because they think just because of that american will be a place of peace the chink woulda got the guns anyway even if he didnt get them legaly

[coyoteatquiznos]

"We're not anti-gun." I want to punch Helmke in that fucking smug face of his. Jesus Christ, every word that comes out of his filthy sewer is complete bullshit.

I hope he gets some horrible disfigurement from a non-firearms related incident so I don't have to see his face on television or the internet ever again. And I'm a peaceful person.

[AgentGTO]

@coyoteatquiznos

YYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree the best thing Paul Helmke can do for this country is to die. :)

[MrFreemason1]

@coyoteatquiznos HELL YEAH!!!!!!

[OpieShabazz]

Helmke is an enemy of American civil rights and a eunuch. You would think that after getting caught with a male prostitute his credibility would be shot but you still see him all over the news.

[island4diver]

@OpieShabazz Did he really get caught with a male prostitute?

[JBird8622]

I hope Paul Helmke gets shot in a gun free zone

[vinnyraf]

More guns always leads to more gun violence, thats why detroit is so safe :/

[theallmightychad]

IMO Eric Thompson pwned Paul Helmke.

[DobermansRock]

Bullseye Chad

[island4diver]

@theallmightychad If you want to see Helmke get really creamed, check out the debate with him and Gary Kleck.

[k4x9]

Brady Campaign = Anti-Civil Right Groups.

[Satvic]

the guy on the right is completely illiterate about firearm purchase process. Any gun control law only makes it harder for honest citizens to purchase and carry. Any criminal can purchase any firearm illegally in almost every country I can think of. On the other hand, a criminal record WILL prevent legal gun sale to a criminal.

[Mittelmorder]

The guy on the right is a fucking idiot, stupid liberal should get hit by a bus.

[twistedman25]

Just what i was thinking :)

[EverHurt]

Actually Paul Helmke is a former Republican and mayor and a conservative. Sad but true.

[twistedman25]

That does make me sad :(

[island4diver]

@twistedman25 Like I told EverHurt2, the heads of these groups are all conservatives.

[mxer]

you from fort wayne????

[island4diver]

@EverHurt All of the heads of anti gun groups are conservatives are. The rank and file tend to be liberal. On the bright side, there are more lefties (like me) that are on our side than you think.

[Newyorkthug111]

lol, its says "Should students be able to pack heat?" at 0:40...lol

[Leonkitty1111]

when i watch this i cant stop laughing at paul (the idiot on the right)

[javierjjs]

i hate that guys look on the right side its like he dosnt have lips

[jenkinssteven4]

praise the gun dealer if someone wants a gun there is no doubt about it that they will get the gun fuck the media guns protect and kill people there are crazzy people out there but i stand with the website my you sell many more

and for the media stop trying to sell your product and f*^)*ng up peoples lives

[DavyCrockett2]

Helmke is a fucking dumbass

[TheStapleGunKid]

I hate how all televised gun debates are always slanted against the gun rights advocates. The questions asked to the dealer in this debate were all hostile, while Helmke got off without a single difficult question yet again.

If anyone ever asked Helmke some tough questions and made him defend the Brady Center's record, his whole case would fall apart.

[island4diver]

@TheStapleGunKid Have you noticed they do the same thing against labor, union, rural, or working people in general advocates?

[DarthVega7]

"We're not anti-gun..." BS!

[Dingusmaster792]

"walmart is making it harder for angerous people to get guns" hahahaha Bullshit, dangerous ppl/criminals would rather get a stolen one off the streets, they're just making it harder for a law abiding citizen to get a gun to protect themselves from "dangerous ppl".

[zcm007attack]

Helmke is such a moron. Instead of focusing on people with dangerous personalities, he has to put blame on inanimate objects. I consider myself a liberal Democrat, but I am against gun control that disarms law abiding citizens.

[cha0scl0ud]

also... I love on these shows when the guest is about to uncover the BS and actually answer a biased question with facts in a way that will make the producers and/or host look like idiots, they cut to a commercial and come back with a totally different topic. Good thing any guest worth his/her salt will cut through the BS and get back to the original issue!!! :)

[cha0scl0ud]

ok, at 2:10 Helmke is a fucking IDIOT. People don't buy guns over the internet without a "face-to-face"... you pay for it, and it's sent to a FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN DEALER, and then you must do the BRADY BACKGROUND CHECK just like any other firearm. What a fucking idiot...

Oh wait, he's not an idiot he's saying that on purpose because he's hoping people on the fence will hear that and jump to his side after they see this 5-second clip...

[island4diver]

@cha0scl0ud Actually, your second paragraph is accurate.

[CabooseKid]

i love how helmke gets the oh shit, my story is fubar looked...

[ClassicFIHD]

Utah allows students to carry. Where is the violence there?

[Line1man]

Helmke is the worst kind of socialist.

[island4diver]

@Line1man Authoritarian but not a socialist.