Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori celebrates Earth

[hininga28]

For the love of... if you're gonna be a lady Bishop at least try to look like a lady! she looks like a cross dresser.. and that is wrong according to the Bible... lady ministers should practice wearing veils.. Long ones! and should not cut their heir.. as said by paul... and be lady like in every way!

[ScottMacFie]

Does anyone know where I can get a copy, or view, the video of PB's Schori's eloquent pro-life sermon? It must be around the same time as ones on homosexuality, earth day, etc (both of which I support)...it's the one where she, representing American Anglicans, asserts that life (including black babies) are sacred and worthy of the full expression of God's gift to us, by being born.

Anyone know where that vid is at ? thanks for any info...I'm sure she made one.

[mindspring57]

@ScottMacFie By mentioning black babies, you touch on an interesting point. According to statistics I have read, while black women are responsible for only 17% of live births, 36% of all abortions are performed on black women.

[wavertree558]

I must add that I respect & and admire Bishop Schori's daughter - a pilot - and appreciate her service to our country and wish to ammend the useful idiot and moron comment out of respect for her.

[wavertree558]

Earth Day was created by Ira Einhorn, a communist who murdered his girlfriend, Holly Maddux when she broke up with him, stuffed her in a trunk and became the self-described Unicorn killer, he was defended by Arlen Specter who got the bail reduced to $40,000 which was paid by Edgar Bronfman of Canada, president of the World Jewish Confrence and promptly fled to France who wouldn't extradite him back since he was subject to the death penalty. Happy Earth Day Katherine....useful idiot & moron.

[urbanek18000]

This is no religion, this is ANARCHY! Only Latin Church is true.

[PfaelzerOrganist]

Mulier tacet in ecclesia ....

[MartinLuther105]

It is an abomination in the sight of God for women to hold ecclesiastical positions. Women have no business being priests, bishops, altar guild, deacons..etc. This is just one more thing that destroys the church of Christ. Allowing women to serve in these positions was only implemented in order to look accepting and progressive. May Christ forgive Protestants for separating, distorting and destroying His Holy Mother Church.

[XXXR84]

@MartinLuther105 your god is an Asshole! and dose not deserve to be worshiped!

[MartinLuther105]

@XXXR84 It so touches my heart to see that you are demonstrating a "Christian" attitude towards those who disagree with your views. I can truly see in your language that the protestant reformation was inspired by "Christ". There is a difference between having a Christian attitude and having a Christ like attitude towards others. May Peace Be With You.

[mindspring57]

In my view, the fact that Jesus chose 12 men is the weakest argument against female clergy. I am not sure how I feel about the issue though. I am a Byzantine Catholic, and the church is not likely to change its position on female ordination during my lifetime, so I probably do not need to have a position. Now, Byzantine Catholics ordain married men to the clergy, and I think that is a great idea.

[ponyboy1488]

@mindspring57 I can see your point, but if I may add something, please. Maybe women can't be priests, but who is the first saint? Who would be considered the first monastic and holiest amongst us humans if not the Panaghia, the Virgin Mary?

[pstaisabel]

@ponyboy1488 - But the Virgin Mary after all is considered the first DISCIPLE of Christ (and therefore the first Christian), not APOSTLE. The apostles of Christ were actually the first bishops of the Church. The Church traces its apostolic succession or continuity from these apostles.

[kingofheartsxyz]

what ! ! female bishop ?

Women should be in kitchen not church

[JonTheJansenist]

Put a woman in charge of a congregation, and this is the nonsense that gets talked about.

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12)

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist Put a woman in charge of a congregation and u get a woman acting like and dressing like and pretending like she is a MAN !!!!!! how very sad. I guess no one ever told Mother Teresa she was a second class citizen. Or St Joan of Arc. Or St. Therese the Little flower. Or

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 Mother Teresa was a manifest heretic, a closeted atheist, and a media attention seeker. I was proud to be an opponent of her beatification before I ended up leaving Rome 2 years ago. The other two women in question claimed sainthood solely because of unreliable beatific visions and political circumstance.

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12)

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist MOTHER Teresa was an attention seeker? Oh I was wondering why she worked in the slums of Calcutta for over 20yrs until she got famous!!!!!! Ive heard of planning before, but that takes the cake. I know i will work amongst the poorest people on earth where the temp. routinely gets above 45c no air con. no money no med. tons of malaria tons of hatred for christitanity!!! Yes i think u r correct, she was obviously an media whore?????? LOL

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 Did you actually read my post all the way through or did you just focus in on the "media attention seeker", which pertains mostly to her cozy friendships with upper class brahams like the British royal family and the Reagans. Furthermore, have you read about the things she had said in reference to the Christian faith, there are questions as to whether she was a Christian.

"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith, apart from works of the law." (Romans 3:28)

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist i probably just read the media part. im watching football !!! cozy friendship with the Reagans? what did she go party with the reagans? wow. I have read what i can about Mother Teresa. I have visited her tomb. I never heard she wasnt a christian?

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 There are questions about the sincerity of her professed faith in the advent of some correspondences that she had which were leaked to the press. These might have been temporary lapses in faith, but the fact that they occurred in such an outright fashion was never brought up when John Paul II (aka the Pantheist Pope) presided over her beatification. Christopher Hitchens (who I otherwise hate) wrote about a lot of her issues and believed her to be a closeted atheist.

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist with all due respect u seem like u have nothing against her. She is one of my favorites.

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 She is a darling of most believers in Rome's version of works righteousness and works of supererogation. John Paul II canonized as many saints as he did primarily to keep some sort of air of plenty in the continued offering of penance by indulgence. Her sense of theater also captivated many.

Nevertheless, I can not square the teachings of the scriptures with Mother Teresa's celebrity, regardless to how outwardly pious she appeared in life.

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist If u were hungry in the streets u mite have a different opinion. Jesus said i was hungry and u fed me, I was naked and u clothed me, I was thirsty

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 Jesus is fed through the preaching of the Gospels and the spiritual regeneration of his flock. A person can spend their whole lives claiming good works in service of Jesus, but

"Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Matthew 7:22-23)

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist you left rome why? Im just curious. I love to hear why people leave rome or convert to rome

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 I read the Bible, Pascal's Provincial Letters, Quesnel's "Moral Reflections On The Gospels" and Augustine's "Confessions" and discovered that the faith of the early fathers of the church were contradicted at nearly every turn by post-Council Of Trent Roman Catholicism.

When I professed my open belief in Sovereign Grace and Double Predestination (Augustine's views verbatim), the priest of my local church said I sounded like a Calvinist and should keep quiet or be excommunicated

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist so what church do u go to now? again i am just curious

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 I attend an Old Catholic Church in communion with the See of Utrecht in the Netherlands, it retains the old liturgy, but it does not recognize any Ecumenical Councils after the Schism between East and West as binding, and has fully rejected Vatican I.

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist wow thats crazy.... i dont mean that kind of crazy.. i mean like wild

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 The schism between Utrecht and Rome goes back to the early 18th century and centered largely around Pasquier Quesnel (the de facto leader of the Jansenist dissenters at that time) being given sanctuary by both the Utrecht clergy and the Calvinist authorities that were running Holland. Utrecht had retained the right to elect its own bishops (granted by the Holy Roman Emperor) since the 12th century, and the Papacy just unilaterally declared their rights null and void.

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist that sounds vaguely familiar.

[JonTheJansenist]

@singapore7773 That history (albeit from the Roman perspective) is probably taught in catechism classes, specifically since the Ultrajectine Churches in America (or the Old Catholic Churches) have been advancing in membership in the aftermath of some recent scandals, not to mention that many of them have grown tolerant and ecumenical (something I object to) and are easier for newcomers to access without especially rigorous catechizing. I'm sort of a conservative outlier in their ranks.

[singapore7773]

@JonTheJansenist your sort of conservative? yes i can tell. by the way my dad was the best catholic i ever knew, and he didnt like mother teresa either... LOL

[boring55ca]

I guess when you no longer believe Christ is the way to eternal life you get bored and start talking metaphorically about the resurrection, and how it relates to throwing out lightbulbs when you're done.

[gladiator3543]

@boring55ca Couldn't have said it better myself. I expect to hear about Jesus and the Gospel at Church, not changing light bulbs.

[titusmountjoy]

Some people just can't deal with the idea of a woman having authority. Women clergy bless us with a new grace and have humanised the priesthood to better reflect the whole Body of Christ. Sad some would prefer a dysfunctional church full of men who bum little boys.

[mindspring57]

@titusmountjoy I think you have the Catholics and the Episcopals confused. A male clergy, that is permitted to marry at its discretion, does much to avoid the "little boys" problem of which you speak.

[titusmountjoy]

@mindspring57 No confusion. The party that most opposes the ordination of women is the so-called Anglo-Catholic wing of the Anglican Communion, one which is riddled with homosexuals, some of whom are celibate, but many rather naughty. The message being that fornication/ sodomy is okay, but not a woman in a leadership role within the Church.

[mindspring57]

@titusmountjoy Does the Anglo-Catholic group support priestly celibacy? If it does, they are wrong. It should be noted that Eastern Catholics, who are communion with Rome, ordain married men to the clergy, so the Roman practice is by no means universal, even with the Catholic church.

[pstaisabel]

@mindspring57 - Probably Eastern Catholics do ordain married men because clerical celibacy is not a doctrine or teaching, but rather it's just an ordinance--much like a law than can be changed through time. I think the reason why the Roman Catholic Church requires clerical celibacy is something related to following in the footsteps of Christ who himself was a life-long celibate. However, in the RCC, married men who are now widowers may still be ordained into the priesthood.

[mindspring57]

@pstaisabel You are correct. Celibacy is an ordinance, not a matter of faith or morals. In the Eastern church, a married man may be ordained to the priesthood. If he is single at the time of ordination, he must remain single. If a priest is married and his wife dies, he may not remarry. There are no married bishops in the Eastern church. Traditionally, in the Eastern church, bishops are chosen from among the monks, who are celibate, or at least from among unmarried priests.

[singapore7773]

@mindspring57 tons of protestant pastors have sex problems, the media could care less. The media hates Catholicism...

[mindspring57]

@singapore7773 Agreed. Having the problems is one thing. Sweeping them under the rug is another thing, and that is what the Catholic Church has done. Under those circumstances, what others do is no defense to the Catholic Church. I am Byzantine Catholic by the way.

[singapore7773]

@titusmountjoy I guess u are smarter than Jesus, because he picked 12 MEN. 

[titusmountjoy]

@singapore7773 A penis is NOT necessary to proclaim the Gospel, celebrate the Eucharist, or hold a leadership role in the Church. I am not saying I'm smarter than Jesus, so please don't be rude. He chose 12 men because of Jewish expectations regarding gender roles, yet what of Mary Magdalene, Apostle to the Apostles?

[2catlvr1969]

50heaven, I really don't care what you think. You're way too immature to have a real conversation with.

[50heaven]

and you're to apostate to do any good for anyone

[2catlvr1969]

So I guess you don't believe that male priests should marry then? You know... "since there can't be 2 brides".

[2catlvr1969]

Why is it so important to be a MALE if you want to be a priest? What does possessing a penis have to do with the job? Answer: NOTHING!

[christopherwrees]

I would not of put it like that. but good point.

[karpov89]

@2catlvr1969 Priesthood is not only a job it is a holy sacramental office instituted by Jesus Christ our Lord, given to the male apostles. The priests represents Jesus Christ, the groom, and the church is the bride. There can not be two brides. Pax et bonum!

[50heaven]

Just ignore her, shes an Episcopalian. They don't care about anything but making their own rules, apostasizing the church, and causing division. You're right about male only clergy.

[karpov89]

@50heaven Well there is better hope for the other Anglicans of Northern America than the Episcopalian it seems.

[2catlvr1969]

Well excuse me for not living in the Dark Ages and thinking that women should be staying at home making babies and obeying men!

[frbjoern]

@2catlvr1969 Oh my goodness!! Do you mean that women only had babies in the Dark Ages?!? Or is the beauty of womanhood and Motherhood, which our Heavenly Father created still in existence? Your comment belongs to the dark ages! Christian Men and Women are liberated in Christ Jesus but there is a distinct Divinely ordained difference between Male and Female, thank God and healthy Men and Woman

[2catlvr1969]

frbjoern- albs and chasubles look more like WOMENS clothes (dresses) if you ask me! Maybe your male clergy should stop dressing in drag!

I love KJS in this video, and all the "props" (spork, LOL!). She's so great.

[KeyboardPacifist]

So you approve of gender confusion.

how appropiate.

[archivist26]

She is amazing!

What a wonderful leader we have!

[KeyboardPacifist]

preaching carbon units is wonderful ?

What about the gospel ? What about that?

[pvollman]

I love "extreme sarcasm". I love the Presiding Bishop's sermons a tad more, though.

[provide7]

What in the world does the pagan holiday "Earth day" have to do with Christ???? This Jezibel spirit needs to repent, "Presiding Bishop" are you serious, first of all "a bishop is the husband of one wife" (1 Tim 3:2) if we read the real bible & not the corrupted versions, then the truth would set us free, God help us.

[gskolbjorn]

Oh that's right, because "Earth day" is a pagan holiday, as opposed to a day in which anyone of any faith can celebrate the earth, and specifically from a Christian standpoint, to celebrate Creation. Right. I forgot, we don't do that as Christians. We dominate, imperialized, destroy, and rape this planet. Because God gave us dominion. We don't need to care about the earth, because everything will be all right and it's gonna burn anyway. *hint:extreme sarcasm*

[KeyboardPacifist]

Since when did Church = State.

State allows such corruption and destruction of the planet. Yet.... once again, you are going along with your demonizing of Christians.

You need to care about the Gospel being properly preached. Care about that first, then worry about recycling cans.

[jzenzayer]

Amen.

[frbjoern]

provide7. We are surly living in the Last Days, despite the fact that she mentions a daughter maybe she is the husband of one wife!!! Unfortunately that's not too uncommon these days.. However, she is a soul for whom Christ died, may He have mercy on her and the souls she leads astray. It seams clear that deluded people like her, wearing Mens cloths are obviously not interested in what the holy scriptures say.

[ThorleifMetalBrother]

She also has very little glory (A woman's hair is her glory.) and she goes against 1 Cor 11... Women are to cover their hair and be quiet in church... she is doing neither. Paul never planted any churches where he placed women in charge.

[KeyboardPacifist]

I fully agree.

The message must be - why bother following the bible in an actual christian life - when you can glorify yourself without it.

[KeyboardPacifist]

She's preaching earth day.

She's going against the implied message of NO CROSS-Dressing.

No head covering for the angels (so much for lead by example).

And she's leading others to accept her gospel of "everyone goes to the father."

She's building a case against herself on the day of judgement. She needs to repent of her ways.

[RONJACK94]

Is this a man or woman or neither?