I have to say this is one of the stupidest films i have ever seen, does anyone actually believe smoking in movies causes more deaths than car accidents?
Nice try patronymic, but those "documents" predate the MSA. Face it, the "R-Rating" is a scam now being pushed by big pharma and it's paid lackeys to promote "smoking as the thing that makes you an adult." aka an "R-rated activity". Product placement was strictly prohibited under the terms of the Master Settlement Agreement, as was limits on sports sponsorships and other advertising sources.
The documents show the OVERSEAS subsidiaries of Philip, Morris and what is now BAT were pursuing product placement. The MSA applies only to their DOMESTIC subsidiaries (sharp lawyers!). PM USA denies product placement; PM International doesn't. And no studio will certify that tobacco agents have not influenced the 76% of US productions since 1998 with tobacco.
Sorry, boys, their own documents show tobacco industry has invested millions to keep its products on screen. PM and BAT reap an estimated $4.1 billion in sales revenue from this promotional channel alone, so far with full complicity from the media corp's that own the studios. Product placement is real. It's doing most of its damage in emerging economies with the largest adolescent generation in history up for sale. Real artists don't play footsie with the most predatory multinationals on Earth.
patronymic, those "documents" predate the Master Settlement Agreement which prohibits product placement, nice try.
But the "R-Rating" scam is being pushed by the paid lackeys of Big Pharma. By telling younger teens they can't even watch an adult smoke until they are grown up, is only going to encourage these kids to start smoking. Another crop to sell patches and gum too. Quite a brilliant marketing coop while blaming the other guy.
Obviously this piece was funded and promoted by the nicotine industry. (But not the tobacco industy) One of the greatest desires of an adolescent is to be considered "grown up". By placing an R-Rating on movies showing smoking, this message will only encourage adolescents to "be grown up". Follow the money back to Johnson and Johnson's largest share holder the RWJF. New smokers = new patch users.
Producers, screenwriters, directors, distributors, studio heads, and anyone else with a say in what goes into movies and are fed up maniacal facists like Glantz and are putting smoking scenes in movies just to stick it in their faces. That is also the reason smoking rates are way up in the 18-24 age group. It's called REBELLION and morons like Glantz don't get it! Glantz is the #1 cause of smoking in the country.
"Spend... dollars... doing something more productive instead of trying to brainwash kids." um, unklscrufy, you're talking to the tobacco industry, right? the ones spending billions of dollars trying to brainwash kids? um, they're not gonna to listen to you.
this culture-jams the illusion of "free speech" co-opted by greedy corporations. slap warnings on the movies i say, & keep our "artists" real... if they're as good as they say, pull off the acting job without relying on product placement.
You can always spot an insecure smoker because their only weapon is name calling. They know that their effluent is toxic, mutagenic and carcinogenic to others yet they insist on their "right" to pollute the air that others must breathe. Dr. Glantz' request are reasonable and would go a long way toward preventing many children from taking up the habit. What's wrong with that?
More crap from a small group of latter day Puritans with their hairnets pulled tight and hatchets in hand. The anti-tobacco is now just as corrupt as the tobacco industry ever was, maybe even more. Just as many lies, just as much money wasted on propaganda and just as much manipulation of the truth. Spend some of the hundreds of millions of dollars you have doing something more productive instead of trying to brainwash kids.
Anti-Tobacco is trying to brainwash kids? You are joking, right? Do you not think that cigarettes kill? I have proof eight times over in my family. Maybe if you would have watched my mother-in-law die in front of your eyes from emphysema you might feel differently. Cigarettes shorten your life AND they reduce the quality of your life. Personally, I think a person who smokes is hates it as much as anyone else, but their addiction wont allow them to say otherwise!
Of course cigarette smoking can cause diseases. But the alternative to smoking isn't eternal life free from disease. I understand that anti-smokers can't wrap their brains around this, but I smoke because I enjoy it. Will it kill me? I have no idea. Something certainly will, I'm relatively certain of that. In the meantime, they can mind their own business and I'll mind mine.
we non smokers will " mind our own business" when you put a plastic bag over your head when you busily pollute public terrain. frankly, what you cant wrap around YOUR head is the fact that what you do to your body IS your buisness, what you do to oters is not
And the message "Smokefree Movies" is givings is "Smoking is an R'Rated activity", you are too young to even watch someone smoke in the cinema. Great ploy to discourage kids from wanting to act grown up by smoking eh? Sounds more pro-smoking then anti-smoking to me. I can just see Brer Tobacco Industry saying oh please Brer Glantz, don't throw me into that "R-Rated Movie" patch.
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quit your crying - if i want to smoke i can - if i want to smoke where alcohol is sold - i should fucking be able to -
if your kid smokes because your kid seen it in a movie - dont blame the movies - blame the PARENTS..............
NicholasJBrown 4 years ago
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stevenesbit 4 years ago
I have to say this is one of the stupidest films i have ever seen, does anyone actually believe smoking in movies causes more deaths than car accidents?
aproctor1 4 years ago
Nice try patronymic, but those "documents" predate the MSA. Face it, the "R-Rating" is a scam now being pushed by big pharma and it's paid lackeys to promote "smoking as the thing that makes you an adult." aka an "R-rated activity". Product placement was strictly prohibited under the terms of the Master Settlement Agreement, as was limits on sports sponsorships and other advertising sources.
SouthboundAtl 5 years ago
The documents show the OVERSEAS subsidiaries of Philip, Morris and what is now BAT were pursuing product placement. The MSA applies only to their DOMESTIC subsidiaries (sharp lawyers!). PM USA denies product placement; PM International doesn't. And no studio will certify that tobacco agents have not influenced the 76% of US productions since 1998 with tobacco.
patronymic 5 years ago
And what is the date of these "documents"? 18 Oct 1979? Or so it says in the opening clip of this "Film".
Will the makers of this film certify they didn't received any money from Big Pharma or it's major shareholders?
Telling kids smoking is an "R-Rated" activity and they can't watch is a glaring dare to get them to try it.
SouthboundAtl 5 years ago
Sorry, boys, their own documents show tobacco industry has invested millions to keep its products on screen. PM and BAT reap an estimated $4.1 billion in sales revenue from this promotional channel alone, so far with full complicity from the media corp's that own the studios. Product placement is real. It's doing most of its damage in emerging economies with the largest adolescent generation in history up for sale. Real artists don't play footsie with the most predatory multinationals on Earth.
patronymic 5 years ago
patronymic, those "documents" predate the Master Settlement Agreement which prohibits product placement, nice try.
But the "R-Rating" scam is being pushed by the paid lackeys of Big Pharma. By telling younger teens they can't even watch an adult smoke until they are grown up, is only going to encourage these kids to start smoking. Another crop to sell patches and gum too. Quite a brilliant marketing coop while blaming the other guy.
SouthboundAtl 5 years ago
Obviously this piece was funded and promoted by the nicotine industry. (But not the tobacco industy) One of the greatest desires of an adolescent is to be considered "grown up". By placing an R-Rating on movies showing smoking, this message will only encourage adolescents to "be grown up". Follow the money back to Johnson and Johnson's largest share holder the RWJF. New smokers = new patch users.
SouthboundAtl 5 years ago
Producers, screenwriters, directors, distributors, studio heads, and anyone else with a say in what goes into movies and are fed up maniacal facists like Glantz and are putting smoking scenes in movies just to stick it in their faces. That is also the reason smoking rates are way up in the 18-24 age group. It's called REBELLION and morons like Glantz don't get it! Glantz is the #1 cause of smoking in the country.
rollerjim 5 years ago
"Spend... dollars... doing something more productive instead of trying to brainwash kids." um, unklscrufy, you're talking to the tobacco industry, right? the ones spending billions of dollars trying to brainwash kids? um, they're not gonna to listen to you.
this culture-jams the illusion of "free speech" co-opted by greedy corporations. slap warnings on the movies i say, & keep our "artists" real... if they're as good as they say, pull off the acting job without relying on product placement.
lucilong 5 years ago
You can always spot an insecure smoker because their only weapon is name calling. They know that their effluent is toxic, mutagenic and carcinogenic to others yet they insist on their "right" to pollute the air that others must breathe. Dr. Glantz' request are reasonable and would go a long way toward preventing many children from taking up the habit. What's wrong with that?
TOMBSEEKER 5 years ago
More crap from a small group of latter day Puritans with their hairnets pulled tight and hatchets in hand. The anti-tobacco is now just as corrupt as the tobacco industry ever was, maybe even more. Just as many lies, just as much money wasted on propaganda and just as much manipulation of the truth. Spend some of the hundreds of millions of dollars you have doing something more productive instead of trying to brainwash kids.
unklscrufy 5 years ago
Anti-Tobacco is trying to brainwash kids? You are joking, right? Do you not think that cigarettes kill? I have proof eight times over in my family. Maybe if you would have watched my mother-in-law die in front of your eyes from emphysema you might feel differently. Cigarettes shorten your life AND they reduce the quality of your life. Personally, I think a person who smokes is hates it as much as anyone else, but their addiction wont allow them to say otherwise!
arepasy 5 years ago 2
Of course cigarette smoking can cause diseases. But the alternative to smoking isn't eternal life free from disease. I understand that anti-smokers can't wrap their brains around this, but I smoke because I enjoy it. Will it kill me? I have no idea. Something certainly will, I'm relatively certain of that. In the meantime, they can mind their own business and I'll mind mine.
unklscrufy 5 years ago
we non smokers will " mind our own business" when you put a plastic bag over your head when you busily pollute public terrain. frankly, what you cant wrap around YOUR head is the fact that what you do to your body IS your buisness, what you do to oters is not
sexboywonder 5 years ago 2
And the message "Smokefree Movies" is givings is "Smoking is an R'Rated activity", you are too young to even watch someone smoke in the cinema. Great ploy to discourage kids from wanting to act grown up by smoking eh? Sounds more pro-smoking then anti-smoking to me. I can just see Brer Tobacco Industry saying oh please Brer Glantz, don't throw me into that "R-Rated Movie" patch.
SouthboundAtl 5 years ago