Since WWII, 90% of the 'casualties of war' are UNARMED CIVILIANS, a third of them CHILDREN. Our victims have done nothing to us.
From Palestine to Afghanistan, to Iraq to Somalia, to wherever our next target may be - their murders are not collateral damage - they are the nature of 'modern warfare'.
They don't hate us 'because of our freedoms' - they hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so called 'War on Terror' is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of Western Asia. This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for OIL. This is genocide. And to most of the world - WE are the terrorists.
Our so called enemies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine... our 'other colonies' around the world and our inner-cities here at home, are struggling against the oppressive hand of Empire, demanding respect for their humanity. They are labelled 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' for resisting rape & pillage by the white establishment, but they are our brothers & sisters in the struggle for justice.
The civilians at the other end of our weapons don't have a choice - but American soldiers have choices, and while there may have been some doubt five years ago, today we know the truth.
Iraqi society today - thanks to 'American help' - is defined by house raids, death squads, check points, detentions, curfews, blood in the streets, and constant violence.
Our soldiers don't sacrifice for duty, honor or country; they sacrifice for Kellogg Brown & Root. They don't fight for America... they are not 'defending our freedoms', they are laying the foundation for 14 permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum. They're not establishing democracy, they are establishing the bases for an economic occupation to continue after the military occupation has ended.
States are controlled by the people who control the issuing of money. Talmudic Jewish central banks.
Jewish businesses masquerading as government in order to profit off the goy.
Government at the end of a barrel. Legislated monopolies for protecting Jewish interests, minority rights laws to shield behind and gun control so people cannot defend themselves.
you keep being cool and being cute with you futile empty fat ass burger idiotic population filled with hate paranoia and greed it will eat you alive, ev3ertything the usa represents is anti human anti freedom anti truth, its all aboput deception, using words like democracy when they are fascist corp banking monopoly of using the planet as slave camp of torture and famine decease using racism ignorance and greed to divide ppl and kill them, democracy- make me laugh usa isnt a demo.
your usa companies are making biggest profits ever, using sweat shops, export trillions dollars debt, now the paraite is eating itself destroying inwards after there nothing else to destroy or it cant destroy anymore of the planet after 50 years doing it the world is on to you usa, nobody fucking likes america you the problem the parasite the murderer the liar and if americans think its ok to destroy the planet for the american way then i hope the usa implodes sooner then later, like now.
the instability and the fact ppl are so desperate they blow themselfs up is the end of the line of american oppression far worse then colonialism, its neocolonialism by usage of irect war to kill the outside gov who dont fall usa politics of letting usa corp operate and use slave labour and cheap resources or countrys ho dont want to be jailed using the dollar so america can export inflation and destroy even more world economys, usa and uk represent evil lying politics of exploitation ever
by the way what does islam wants for this planet do you know... no you dont know anything, just nother dumb ass american with mental issues, paranoid dumb americans, its you who want and destroy the entire planet, vietnam, cambodia laos, el salvador, iran, cuba, argentina, chile... i can go on, sucking the resources destroying economys killing pillaging, you hav no clue, maybe its you who is smoking crack, actually usa is half baked by so much drug usage this is a fact, corrupted, dumbed down
you have been there and yet you dont know anything about 911 or what usa policy and the shit your government creats and does all around, may e you should read instead of going around the planet killing ppl, maybe you never talked or knew the real reason why you where there in irak it was because of oil, usa uses words like comunism and errorism to kill pillage and destroy dirctly or indirectly the 3 world, african or muslim, 911 was inside job by way, 2 airplanes 3 buildings down controlled dem.
This dude is smoking some serious crack. I was there on 911 NYC and have been in the middle east over five years. This guys has not one clue as to what Islam wants for this planet. Another useful idiot who gives him self to the cause of keeping people in the dark.. Nice work communist. Anthoer Che Guevarra tee shirt socialist. Why dont we hand out AK-47 & start killing rich people & black who dont produce, or latino who dont work thier quota. This guy is the ultimate mster blaster.
How are they destroying the Arabs Kings, by Blood. The unseen hand of real TERROR, and its not the ones the media tell us about its the ones we are not allowed to speak about because of their power and grip on the economies of the world. Will we end up in a WW because of this war of Terrorism against the world cor control and dominance. Why is it more dangherous than the last times, because of Nuclear weapons, why did Germany give Israel a 2 Nuclear Sub, its not for peacefull purposes! Hello.
Who want America in debt, who wants to destroy their economy, who promised to do just that, and bring them back into colonialism. Who got rid of all the Kings of Europe, bar one or two, what did they have to do to keep their grip on power, they had to marry in with them, by blood. How are they destroying America & Europe by Blood. As it was in the begining so shall it be in the End, they was living in Tents, and caravans horse drawn, what is appearing in America Tent Cities. "Present REALITY".
@joniindo78: We are wrong about a lot of things, do you think I would have believed Dr King was a Zionist Stooge, Zionist Criminals & Communist. Do you think I knew that Abe Lincoln wanted to get the Blacks out of America, and the Zionist Killed Him to prevent them leaving, and funded the Uprising in America resulting in the deaths of loads of poor Black people & Some are still in Prison to this day because of Jewish lies and deception against Black people, we have a lot to learn.
Actually, it is obvious to most people outside the US, but critisising the 9/11 lies and propaganda, the war on commonsense or the policy of population reduction in the Middle East is career suicide. We've left it too late to act. Humanity lost.
2:05 9/11 was to further the US's interests and people hang like puppets by these lies! since 9/11, fear hate and attacks has risen against the whole culture and religion of muslims, what other reason can explain this social phobia?
Well Mr John Pilger, what do you say about the never ending terror attacks from and only from Islam. You may be a nobel journalist, but you lack the balls to admit your anti American and give comfort to the many jihadist who believe the same rubbish.
Those 19 Saudi's where not CIA..they were Al-Queda..aka Islamic Jihadist hell bent on destroying America and the people who treasure life, liberty, freedom and the pursuit of happiness.
are you sure? those 19 hijackers? a few of them are still alive yet FBI still list them as the culprits? so much evidance points away from Al-Queada, its embarresing. do a bit of research maybe? feedom? what freedom?
your constitution is being raped by YOUR government, sorry to say this but you are so wrong!
Excellent documentary. Well done to John Pilger - you are a brave man. Our political leaders call themselves Christians & lie to us and instigate wars that have resulted in the death and injury of thousands of people. God knows the truth - they will eventually be punished for their sins.
I am so thankful for your work. It has opened my eyes more to the ways of the world.
Your article titled: No rememberance no remourse for the fallen of Iraq.
was read out by Stefan Molyneaux and it just smacked me about the face and made me realise the war on terror is indeed a total farce. A tough pill to swallow almost unimaginable in its staggering scale. I feel ashamed to call myself an Australian and to have had Howard rubber stamp this 'invasion'.
AS with most regressive minded-liefties Pilger continues to bathe in the ''told-you-so" glory of what we can all agree has been the hardship of the Iraq War. Yes, it has been an appalling struggle, to continue to highlight the bloodshed as the moral and appealing crux of his argument - quite shameful.
But what of his solidarity? Is he more interested in preaching half-truths to Western media, or actually participating in building the new Iraq as many other credible anti-war people have.
The crux of the argument against the invasion was that we KNEW it was going to be an "appalling struggle" as you put it. The facts obtained after it have further vindicated that belief
It is our moral imperative to assume that all potential wars will be appalling and should not be fought. The people of a democracy must wait to be persuaded by (and only by) what the native people of the would-be invaded country think should happen. What WE thought was irrelevant, what the IRAQIS thought wasn't
Emotive words like"communist", "fascist", "neo-con", "socialist" etc. have been misconstrued both by the "left" and "right" so often (and especially by tabloid newspapers) that it is almost impossible to use them in conversations as different people often think of completely different things when they hear them.
There is no "Left", and there is no "Right".
There is democaracy, freedom, truth and equality...
I accept JP is certianly a proud snivel libertarian / lefty. He does need to understand that only a bit more than a half of the world is communist/socialistit/Labor. The other half believe in people helping themselves.
I have met people like him when I worked in the Aboriginal Industry and I used to be like him in many ways, I became aware that "making nice" made me feel good as it does for him but it needs to be remembered that saying the nice thing has no relationship with doing it!
Alan Hart is an author, former Middle East Chief Correspondent for Independent Television News and former BBC Panorama presenter specialising in the Middle East. Listen to his explanation of 911: pLzxCO6c6yc
The lid has popped off the can of worms we know as Zionism and the ugly reality of how radical-Zionism is the greatest threat to peace is becoming obvious.
There was not a single "oil man" encouraging the US to attack Iraq. If you remember, however, radical-Zionists after radical-Zionist showed up on every TV program that would have them and spread the standard lies that sucked the US into an illegal invasion of Iraq.
terroism, terrorists, its all bullshit.. how many countries has the US in vaded and murdered for oil... we know the fucking truth.. and these government cunts know we know it 2. their propaganda bullshit is starting to fall apart. theres no war on terror, there is a war on oil and we all know whos obsessed with fucking oil dont we..
@ericsonny Exactly so. Propaganda is at its most effective state, when people think there is no propaganda. That paradox is to great nuisance to those of us, who know we are being formed, streamlined and twisted by our major news outlets.
John Pilger is not going to approve information like this just because he 'wants to bring down our current system'. It's because of the truths he's discovered that he fights to overturn the current system; just like all revolutionaries. He's been an investigative journalist for a very long time and barely criticised for the accuracy of his findings (when I say barely I mean that when he has been accused of being inaccurate it's been investigated, found not to be true and then dismissed).
Yeah perhaps it seems strange, but just like Orwell's quote: 'Sanity is not statistical'. It can be said that 'Truth is not statistical' either, in the sense that just because; say if only 1 study concluded 1m deaths in Iraq but 3 studies concluded 500,000 deaths doesn't make it fact just because more studies conclude the same result. It's about the Methodology; how they obtained these results. Perhaps John Pilger viewed the methods they used to collect this result and found it to be accurate.
So the statistics of a million dead in Iraq since the US invasion could be not the truth according to that logic, but because this man is supporting it you believe it is the truth
If it was the truth more then 1 source would have discovered this. Like I said 1 million dead since Saddam took power probably true... 1 million dead as a result of western influence... false
Remember Saddam was "Ethnic Cleansing" by killing which ethnic group by the thousands?
@TRMerc So, John Pilger quotes the most reliable study done on the subject and you ridicule it. Then you take the liberty of wildy asserting: "1 million dead since Saddam took power probably true". You're like the people who are sceptical of the U.S. government's official story of 9/11 but then ditch their scepticism when it comes to the 'inside-job' theory.
A million people are holocausted dead-children BURNED ALIVE in bombing runs- and TRMerc whinges that Pilger is getting "emotional", then bags him as "Unamerican"/wanting to bring down his bloody & avaricious system.. To think I bothered once reasoning with this TRMerc type Swine.. What arse-holes the HumanRace contains... ! Be PROUD of your murderous AngloYankWankEmpire, you conceited fucking pig.
Oh you want to talk about "empire atrocities" then look at England
English tactics in dealing with Middle East Terrorists
Cut their head off and stick their body inside a disemboweled pig. That's right they would cut a "suspected" terrorists head off and stuff him in a dead pig in front of other suspected terrorists to get information from them
America is the only "empire" in history to GIVE more to it's beaten enemies then take. It is the only "empire" in history to DESTROY a overwhelming military force (see what happened after WW II), America is the only "empire" in history to NOT take control of a country they beat in war
And tell me this the US economy is 100 times larger then the Iraq economy, if the US took EVERY CENT from Iraq for a year, it would cover 1.2 months. That means everything is taken from Iraq 100%
There is no way the US "empire" could sustain itself by "stealing" from poor countries cause it would have to take every penny from every country outside of Europe and Asia to BARELY sustain itself over a year
Everything leaving those countries barren of any semblance of human life except the people
The holocaust was a systematic killing of an ETHNIC GROUP which Saddam was doing to the Kurds
The US didn't do carpet bombing in the Iraq war. If we did we would have LEVELED every Iraq city we carpet bombed
The US did not go in and round up ever citizen or even 10% of them and execute them (to my knowledge not even the all seeing one in the video above has found evidence of US executing it's prisoners like the Terrorists have)
@TRMerc You said that the citizens of a nation shouldn't be accountable for the crimes of the government. You just referred to the U.S. carpet bombing Iraqi cities as "we". "If WE did WE would have..." So it's "we" now? You and the U.S. Armed Forces.
Hey Merc-iless, keep masturbating over your flag, it'll give you a good feeling, and make you blind to the FACTS that USA is merely the most recent incarnation of human greed & brutality on a scale the world has never suffered before. People outside your brainwash border know you to be a pack of bloated swine masturbating each other, pushing bomb buttons to incinerate innocents world-wide. Ugly unrepentant conceited brainwashed pigs.
Really? You're going to use that line when we have dictators who are hording so much of their countries wealth that they tell their citizens to "Eat Grass"
Men who videotape the beheading of a captured soldier and post it online for everyone to see
And lets not forget people who believe that just because you EXIST is grounds for killing you
and America is bad... I'd add another layer of tin foil to that hat of yours, cause Eroupe screwed up the world LONG before the US got involved
WHAT does America stand for ? A.rrogant M.urderers E.xtortion R.acketeers I.nternationale! C.onniving A.ssHoles. (why do you keep assuming I'm European???) When will you feel Guilt for your own crimes and stop talking about the stick in your neighbours eye ? (thats a line from Christ if youre a completely ignorant yankee Swine )
Did you come up with that all by yourself? Or did someone else?
Cause you assume I'm assuming your European? Cause a lot of the problems in the world today are caused by the mistakes people from Europe made when they had more power?
See a long time ago England conquered the middle east through superior technology. The took people who had been blood enemies for YEARS... and decided to make them next door neighbors, by removing the boundaries they had established, and creating their own
Thus you have countries like Iraq who have three ethnic people who have been trying to kill each other off for years living togeather... and it wasn't until recently (late 90s early 00s) that they started learning to live with one another
Then you have things they DID... like removing all guns from the populous and imposing restrictions they lived under until years later when England finally left them alone... so for the past 50 years they've been ruling themselves instead of England ruling them
Dictators abused the Democratic system and installed themselves as... Dictators much like Hitler did in Germany, by destroying their countries Congress and removing free elections
Next when they start threatening other countries and taking action to actually make good on those threats (yes Saddam was talking about attacking America before Desert Storm and hired Nazi Germany's top cannon scientist the one that built the cannon to shell London from the CENTER OF GERMANY to build a cannon able to put payloads into low ORBIT) we turn out to be the bad guys... I'm sorry but since when does taking weapons away from someone who is insane ever been bad?
Well Charles Manson might want to start Armageddon but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to own a Hunting Rifle
I'm sorry but when a leader decides that just because someone says "I don't like you" is grounds for having their head chopped off.. that leader is not right in the head.. and anyone who defends that kind of person is right there beside them in the insane catagory
Also if Pilger is right, there would be more evidence then 1 report, unless the USA controls the world media now
Also nice touch adding Jesus, but you know what I don't feel guitly of Crimes someone else committed
If a government commits a crime makes it's citizens guilty, every German from the 50s is guilt of Genocide, Every Iraqi as well, also Every Russian from Stalin's day, and just about everyone from the middle east cause a lot of the leaders from those countries want to kill all the Jews, but don't take my word for it... just listen to their speeches when they publicly announce it
I point out to you that your nation has the blood of near a million non-combatants on its hands, its greedy oil-grabbing murderous hands; and you STILL want to play word-game debates with me. Merc-iless I dont even read your comments anymore- I just hold the mirror up that maybe one day you will SEE YOUR BLOODY, GREEDY HANDS.
See you're not coming up with anything new, you think repeating the same thing over and over makes it true?
Show me another report that confirms what Pilger is talking about. If it is true there should be more then 1, Uno, Un, Одно, Ένας, Ein, 1개, 1つ, 一, and only one report that says that
I'm sorry if you can't come up with more evidence then you're just saying the same things Stalin, Ahmadinejad, Mao, and Bin Laden are saying... cause they all called America Evil to
I challenge you I DARE YOU to come up with more evidence
You can't, because the only evidence you believe is what John Pilger tells you to. I never believe what the US government tells me 100%, but you know what? I'm not going to believe someone who promotes a failed system that failed not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES
Italy, Germany, USSR
All were poverty stricken as Socialist, all are better now that they aren't. Even Dictatorships work better the Socialist governments... figure that out
@TRMerc What are you talking about? What socialist governments of Italy, Germany and the USSR? How ignorant of history are you? Did George Orwell write your history book to teach us a lesson?
@TRMerc I have a german shepherd dog, but so did Hitler, therefore I'm wrong to have a german shepherd, they are evil. What spurious reasoning: "Stalin, Ahmadinejad, Mao and Bin Laden all called America evil". Fallacy.
@TRMerc He said that it was the most reliable and best conducted study, not the only report ever made on the subject that reaches the same conclusion. As in, what do you think? No one died in Iraq? Five people died? One hundred? Ten thousand? One hundred thousand? And how many is too many for you?
America has declared war on the the brain. ANYONE who doesn't have a capatalist mentality WILL be invaded, no matter how well functioning they are. The whole of the media in the western world is a mouthpeice for their actions and people believe it because they are not given a choice. There are people out there who try to expose their lies but they don't have a whole hemesphere funding them so they just don't have the means of getting heard. They Staged 911 so they could massacre the middle east.
Then America just declared war on the entire world and will have to start systematically conquering 10 countries a year if we are to complete it in 1 presidential term
You think the Media is a mouthpiece for the government? That might be true now, but under Bush the media was insulting him left and right
Just put your tin foil hat on and go curl up in your basement. Cause our current pres is more likely to say "Sorry" to a country then invade... dumb ass
I never said government I said America . Bush wasn't really in charge nor is Obama , they're puppets held by the same people who have always been in charge. So the media can insult or congratulate whoever they want it doesn't make a difference, as long as they are backing up a 'democratic' system the powers that be are happy because they control who becomes president anyway.
Its not just America though its the U.K, Europe, Australia etc. all controlled by powerful and wealthy Businessmen.
Right... cause America was so behind Bush 100% with the invasion of Iraq. They were making songs praising him sending troops over and making movies honoring him
Wait they made songs like "Lets impeach the president" when Bush was in office and "W" which was a movie basically insulting bush
Seriously just go crawl down into your basement and make sure to put a double layer of tin foil on your head so they can't read you mind
Also... have you seen what the news media in America is supporting? Single Payer Health-care... that is definitely Democratic... even though every socialist country in history had that
Or how about Cap and Trade... you know taxing pollution output of factories, cause that's democratic to, limiting business production
America wanted to invade Iraq ,Bush was their method of doing that, he said himself he was a war presiden'. Stop listening to the media seriously its a very in depth con, designed to keep you in fear, racist and ignorant. Global Warming is also a con..the whole solar system is heating up its not just earth..educate yourself the information is out there -question everything that is told to you by big businesses coz its lies!
resorting to personal attacks in conversation is the sign of a bigot.x
Yes thousands of people protesting against the invasion of Iraq is all a ploy. Stop being so full of yourself in thinking you know how MILLIONS of people think
See I hate the news Media. I hate them with a passion. Cause they are biased and say they aren't
The problem is people like John Pilger is a REPORTER. Meaning he makes his money off of people listening to what he says
He followed the "If it bleeds it leads" mentality with finding 1 report that supports what he wants people hear
You are reading things you imagined I wrote. I said nothing about the American public. It just goes to show the lack democracy that so many people can protest against something yet they go ahead and do it anyway under the guise of freedom!
Also I never said you were racist I said you were being bigoted, in that, instead of having a discussion you were resorting to personal attacks. The sign that you dont know how to back up what youre saying.
I know how to think thank you, I do lots of it, and by the sounds of it you could do with questioning what you are told a little more.
Sorry I thought were we bringing up things completely unrelated to each others points
See you seem to think that there is this America that invades other countries just to impose their belief system upon them without an outcry from it's people. It's call the UN actually
The UN went into Africa with military force not to stop a genocide, not to stop a dictator that has a paper trail connecting him to world terrorist organization
but to stop female circumcision aka Female genital mutilation
John 'finds' the evidence he needs it seems. It's kinda funny how his 'evidence' he finds supports his viewpoints
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had less deaths from the nukes then all the Fire Bombing... yet turning people to ash seems more horrible THEN BURNING THEM ALIVE?
Here is a tried and true saying "Figures Lie and Liers always Figure"
See to Socialists, then ends justify the means. It's in their book for crying out loud. Lying to gain support is ENCOURAGED
That guy is a Socialist. There was a Socialist journalist that was assigned to the USSR from the New York Times who reported that the people being starved to death weren't starving to death. They just weren't working within the system and needed to be removed from it
@TRMerc Your first premise of "people only do things for one reason. Money" is incorrect. A lot of people's actions are motivated by avarice, and more specifically monetary greed, but not all are. Some actions are motivated out of blind patriotism, some out of familial loyalty, some out of jealous anger, some out of benevolence and compassion. A lot of actions are motivated by the desire for money, but being so hyperbolic as to say that it is the sole motivation for all actions is wrong.
@TRMerc The USSR wasn't socialist. Learn your history please before you comment on very serious issues, thank you very much. The label "socialist" was U.S. propaganda, to smear socialism, and Soviet Union propaganda, to profit from the moral power of socialism.
sorry, i'm a pedant for spelling. its, not it's. liar, not lier. than, not then.
anyway, do you really think the press and the media are "liberal"? CBS, for one, is owned by a defence industry player. labels are for shirts.
hiroshima and nagasaki clearly caused more death and destruction than saddam did to the kurds. (moot point)
the US has been at war since WWII constantly. + or - 50 countries either invaded outright, or had their governments overthrown with overt or covert CIA interference.
Right Saddam only had over 400,000 people in 270 Mass graves and killed over 130,000 more in "ethnic cleansings"
Hiroshima 90,000 to 140,000 Some estimates up to 200,000
Nagasaki 80,000 total deaths
Oh BTW the two targets for the Nagasaki bomb
Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works and the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works
So lets see at MOST 500,000 if every citizen in Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived the conventional bombing and was under the nukes... compared to over 530,000 counted for Saddam
I mean the US takes so much money from other countries like Iraq... which could run the US economy for almost 2 months if we took EVERY penny they made for a year
I'm talking not even letting one ounce of food left, or letting people keep ANY money they earn, or anything of value. I mean China's GDP doesn't even match half the US GDP
So how is it that the US is surviving on taking from the impoverish countries?
hell, the MAKE them impoverished....and KEEP them that way.
they have enforced an almost feudalistic debt-peonage system through their imperialism. the world bank....the IMF....hardly organs of altruism....unless you believe that they are.....and then there's nothing i can do to change your mind.
jesus christ, we're getting into a genocidal pissing contest. don't believe ANYTHING until it is officially denied.
peoples died of cancer for years and years after both atomic bombs. pearl harbor was known to be imminent, and the US stood down so that they'd have an excuse to go in there.
i'd like you to comment on my point, which i think it crucial: america is almost constantly at war.
fuck....my spelling.....it's late. i'm tired. anyway, sure, you make some points....but i stand my ground.
i can't believe you want me to elaborate on the CIA "claims". ask any number of former agents who are so disgusted by what they engaged in that they've spoken out about it openly. research it, my good man. plus there are many publicly available formerly top secret documents. happy reading.
Mao killed 70 million over the years.....Pol Pot....Pinochet....all mass murderers. The US, driven by god to deliver it's perfect system of democracy.....did nothing.
Hell, they installed Pinochet....driving out Allende, a democratically elected leader, albeit one not amenable to being owned by US corporate interests....how DARE he try to nationalize the copper industry.....the temerity!
@TRMerc No. John Pilger isn't a reporter. John Pilger is one of the most acclaimed, honest and independent journalists in the world. If you would care to even listen to what he has to say on journalism, search "the invisible government" on YouTube.
@TRMerc Oh my goodness. Stop making comments on things you know nothing about. If you knew the smallest thing about socialism, you would know that all real socialists want a socialist democracy. A socialist democracy would be far more democratic than the Republican government of the U.S., really a corporatocracy, in which the people elect one of two oligarchies. Call universal healthcare whatever propagandised label you want, it doesn't detract from all people deserving healthcare.
Pretty heady stuff there, Steve. But let's give our Merc a break, huh? Yeah, sure, his "math" is pretty skewed and all, but leave a man to his soldier-worshipping, pud-pounding-to-God-Bless-America fantasies.
I gotta say, though, I like the way you express yourself. Methinks you hit the bullseye.
you have your pre-determined hypothesis and are steeled to defend it.
dude....it's than, not then. learn it.
do the world a favour....put on your uniform....and get your ass over there to defend us all against.....um.....what's that word again? oh yeah....terrorism.
live in iran? what a stretch....you are so far off the mark.
you might get a nice job at raytheon or halliburton one day.
5: Bin Laden should have been the Main focus of our over seas operations
6: Bush wasn't the best president we have ever had but he wasn't the worst
7: No government is perfect
8: I believe everything people do is for money if it involves more then their own life (like anyone with a political agenda)
9: I believe people are Lazy and would rather outlaw something someone else is using to make money then start their own company and take that business away from the other person
they have enforced an almost feudalistic debt-peonage system through their imperialism. the world bank....the IMF....hardly organs of altruism....unless you believe that they are.....and then there's nothing i can do to change your mind.
If America is like a feudalistic country. It's the only one that GIVES more to it's holdings then takes. Look at Puerto Rico and tell me America harms them more then helps
@EclecticSceptic WTF just happened? Either all these posts somehow got reposed 2 hours ago due to a glitch, or someone just had a one sided conversation
@TRMerc LOL LOL LOL LOL "America is the only "empire" in history to NOT take control of a country they beat in a war". LOLOLOLOL! Did you mean 'his story', and by 'his story' you meant 'Bush's story of how America is the greatest nation ever yay America, land of the free'. As in, serious irony.
I agree, without him a lot of issues would be left in the dark, he has a rare talent. He seems to always be cheerful too , It would be cool to meet him in person, although I'd probably bombard him with a million questions haha.
watch aaron russo. Hes a true hero who was murdered
alee0294 1 month ago
No Justice - No Peace
youtube.com/watch?v=LCOqF8gZeh8&hd=1
Since WWII, 90% of the 'casualties of war' are UNARMED CIVILIANS, a third of them CHILDREN. Our victims have done nothing to us.
From Palestine to Afghanistan, to Iraq to Somalia, to wherever our next target may be - their murders are not collateral damage - they are the nature of 'modern warfare'.
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techcafe 3 months ago
They don't hate us 'because of our freedoms' - they hate us because every day we are funding and committing crimes against humanity. The so called 'War on Terror' is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of Western Asia. This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for OIL. This is genocide. And to most of the world - WE are the terrorists.
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techcafe 3 months ago
Our so called enemies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine... our 'other colonies' around the world and our inner-cities here at home, are struggling against the oppressive hand of Empire, demanding respect for their humanity. They are labelled 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' for resisting rape & pillage by the white establishment, but they are our brothers & sisters in the struggle for justice.
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techcafe 3 months ago
The civilians at the other end of our weapons don't have a choice - but American soldiers have choices, and while there may have been some doubt five years ago, today we know the truth.
Iraqi society today - thanks to 'American help' - is defined by house raids, death squads, check points, detentions, curfews, blood in the streets, and constant violence.
cont...
techcafe 3 months ago
Our soldiers don't sacrifice for duty, honor or country; they sacrifice for Kellogg Brown & Root. They don't fight for America... they are not 'defending our freedoms', they are laying the foundation for 14 permanent military bases to defend the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum. They're not establishing democracy, they are establishing the bases for an economic occupation to continue after the military occupation has ended.
cont... youtube.com/watch?v=LCOqF8gZeh8&hd=1
techcafe 3 months ago
War OF Terror.
Bang on Mr Pilger.
A great video.
This man really can use language and communicate at speed.
Focus the collective mind, Ask Questions, Demand Answers.
breakit46 4 months ago
woah this is soo good!
*sorry i'm doing my humanities project which is suck like crap and this video is sort of my savior from a super boring imovie.
simplename80 4 months ago
States are controlled by the people who control the issuing of money. Talmudic Jewish central banks.
Jewish businesses masquerading as government in order to profit off the goy.
Government at the end of a barrel. Legislated monopolies for protecting Jewish interests, minority rights laws to shield behind and gun control so people cannot defend themselves.
kingstuks 5 months ago
it's Pilger's kind of journalism that's missing in most of today's media.
i know his work and wonder how is he still alive!
Pilger is a real life media-vigilante
larensflarens 7 months ago 2
you keep being cool and being cute with you futile empty fat ass burger idiotic population filled with hate paranoia and greed it will eat you alive, ev3ertything the usa represents is anti human anti freedom anti truth, its all aboput deception, using words like democracy when they are fascist corp banking monopoly of using the planet as slave camp of torture and famine decease using racism ignorance and greed to divide ppl and kill them, democracy- make me laugh usa isnt a demo.
ukusapillage 7 months ago
your usa companies are making biggest profits ever, using sweat shops, export trillions dollars debt, now the paraite is eating itself destroying inwards after there nothing else to destroy or it cant destroy anymore of the planet after 50 years doing it the world is on to you usa, nobody fucking likes america you the problem the parasite the murderer the liar and if americans think its ok to destroy the planet for the american way then i hope the usa implodes sooner then later, like now.
ukusapillage 7 months ago
the instability and the fact ppl are so desperate they blow themselfs up is the end of the line of american oppression far worse then colonialism, its neocolonialism by usage of irect war to kill the outside gov who dont fall usa politics of letting usa corp operate and use slave labour and cheap resources or countrys ho dont want to be jailed using the dollar so america can export inflation and destroy even more world economys, usa and uk represent evil lying politics of exploitation ever
ukusapillage 7 months ago
by the way what does islam wants for this planet do you know... no you dont know anything, just nother dumb ass american with mental issues, paranoid dumb americans, its you who want and destroy the entire planet, vietnam, cambodia laos, el salvador, iran, cuba, argentina, chile... i can go on, sucking the resources destroying economys killing pillaging, you hav no clue, maybe its you who is smoking crack, actually usa is half baked by so much drug usage this is a fact, corrupted, dumbed down
ukusapillage 7 months ago
you have been there and yet you dont know anything about 911 or what usa policy and the shit your government creats and does all around, may e you should read instead of going around the planet killing ppl, maybe you never talked or knew the real reason why you where there in irak it was because of oil, usa uses words like comunism and errorism to kill pillage and destroy dirctly or indirectly the 3 world, african or muslim, 911 was inside job by way, 2 airplanes 3 buildings down controlled dem.
ukusapillage 7 months ago
This dude is smoking some serious crack. I was there on 911 NYC and have been in the middle east over five years. This guys has not one clue as to what Islam wants for this planet. Another useful idiot who gives him self to the cause of keeping people in the dark.. Nice work communist. Anthoer Che Guevarra tee shirt socialist. Why dont we hand out AK-47 & start killing rich people & black who dont produce, or latino who dont work thier quota. This guy is the ultimate mster blaster.
Savages 7 months ago
How are they destroying the Arabs Kings, by Blood. The unseen hand of real TERROR, and its not the ones the media tell us about its the ones we are not allowed to speak about because of their power and grip on the economies of the world. Will we end up in a WW because of this war of Terrorism against the world cor control and dominance. Why is it more dangherous than the last times, because of Nuclear weapons, why did Germany give Israel a 2 Nuclear Sub, its not for peacefull purposes! Hello.
maria610421 8 months ago
Who want America in debt, who wants to destroy their economy, who promised to do just that, and bring them back into colonialism. Who got rid of all the Kings of Europe, bar one or two, what did they have to do to keep their grip on power, they had to marry in with them, by blood. How are they destroying America & Europe by Blood. As it was in the begining so shall it be in the End, they was living in Tents, and caravans horse drawn, what is appearing in America Tent Cities. "Present REALITY".
maria610421 8 months ago
@joniindo78: We are wrong about a lot of things, do you think I would have believed Dr King was a Zionist Stooge, Zionist Criminals & Communist. Do you think I knew that Abe Lincoln wanted to get the Blacks out of America, and the Zionist Killed Him to prevent them leaving, and funded the Uprising in America resulting in the deaths of loads of poor Black people & Some are still in Prison to this day because of Jewish lies and deception against Black people, we have a lot to learn.
maria610421 8 months ago
nothing new. Allah almighty will defeat all the evilness in this world.
za123ace 9 months ago
I hv recently uploaded a video About George Bush evil Speech giving message to Iraqi People Go Home and Die..Its on my channel No more deniel!
shadowofears 9 months ago
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"The real danger we face is not from terrorism but what is being done under the pretext of fighting it."
Michael Parenti
MichaelParentiOrg 9 months ago
Actually, it is obvious to most people outside the US, but critisising the 9/11 lies and propaganda, the war on commonsense or the policy of population reduction in the Middle East is career suicide. We've left it too late to act. Humanity lost.
crocfme 11 months ago
@crocfme
I thought Obama is like Malcolm X!!
Wrong!! Big Time!!
joniindo78 8 months ago
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maria610421 8 months ago
2:05 9/11 was to further the US's interests and people hang like puppets by these lies! since 9/11, fear hate and attacks has risen against the whole culture and religion of muslims, what other reason can explain this social phobia?
lovellae 11 months ago
I absolutely love John Pilger, my inspiration!
bamigogy12345 1 year ago
The best propaganda is the bs about THEM winning. They are not, we are! It's just going to take some more time before we defeated them.
wearechangeholland 1 year ago
assange says 911 truthers are annoying? assange is an inside job so.
kingneddy 1 year ago
@kingneddy what do you mean assange is an inside job? why?
vicx05 11 months ago
@vicx05
It's getting silly and silly but you've got to watch this
Julian Assange
watch?v=0bjJIUoWGJs
watch?v=7TheJPboU4c
joniindo78 8 months ago
war on terra... and all we've got to do is all stand up and say - enough. and it'll stop. beautiful.
thepofmeister 1 year ago
Didnt you know that technology sanitizes murder?
ILLUMINATEDSARCASM 1 year ago
John Pilger you absolute legend, I recently watched "The War you don't see" and it opened my eyes.
carlyrose19 1 year ago 8
Well Mr John Pilger, what do you say about the never ending terror attacks from and only from Islam. You may be a nobel journalist, but you lack the balls to admit your anti American and give comfort to the many jihadist who believe the same rubbish.
Those 19 Saudi's where not CIA..they were Al-Queda..aka Islamic Jihadist hell bent on destroying America and the people who treasure life, liberty, freedom and the pursuit of happiness.
oceanairman 1 year ago
@oceanairman
are you sure? those 19 hijackers? a few of them are still alive yet FBI still list them as the culprits? so much evidance points away from Al-Queada, its embarresing. do a bit of research maybe? feedom? what freedom?
your constitution is being raped by YOUR government, sorry to say this but you are so wrong!
MrSteviesmozz 1 year ago
@oceanairman and Al Queda were funded by the CIA... fail
onetwentysecs 1 year ago
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Excellent documentary. Well done to John Pilger - you are a brave man. Our political leaders call themselves Christians & lie to us and instigate wars that have resulted in the death and injury of thousands of people. God knows the truth - they will eventually be punished for their sins.
PortsladeBySea 1 year ago
I am so thankful for your work. It has opened my eyes more to the ways of the world.
Your article titled: No rememberance no remourse for the fallen of Iraq.
was read out by Stefan Molyneaux and it just smacked me about the face and made me realise the war on terror is indeed a total farce. A tough pill to swallow almost unimaginable in its staggering scale. I feel ashamed to call myself an Australian and to have had Howard rubber stamp this 'invasion'.
eckyspondoolie 1 year ago
AS with most regressive minded-liefties Pilger continues to bathe in the ''told-you-so" glory of what we can all agree has been the hardship of the Iraq War. Yes, it has been an appalling struggle, to continue to highlight the bloodshed as the moral and appealing crux of his argument - quite shameful.
But what of his solidarity? Is he more interested in preaching half-truths to Western media, or actually participating in building the new Iraq as many other credible anti-war people have.
trailofdeadpeople 1 year ago
The crux of the argument against the invasion was that we KNEW it was going to be an "appalling struggle" as you put it. The facts obtained after it have further vindicated that belief
It is our moral imperative to assume that all potential wars will be appalling and should not be fought. The people of a democracy must wait to be persuaded by (and only by) what the native people of the would-be invaded country think should happen. What WE thought was irrelevant, what the IRAQIS thought wasn't
soyousay18 1 year ago
@trailofdeadpeople He's 100% right and nothing in your silly rant challenges that fact.
MEpianist 1 year ago
If they would just adopt our way of life, we would leave them alone! Dammit, this is democracy! Why won't you submit to our belief system?!?
idlewild 1 year ago
I had to have a little chuckle with the job description below old mates name, I reckon communist might be more apt than jouralist!
Inconvenientruths 1 year ago
Emotive words like"communist", "fascist", "neo-con", "socialist" etc. have been misconstrued both by the "left" and "right" so often (and especially by tabloid newspapers) that it is almost impossible to use them in conversations as different people often think of completely different things when they hear them.
There is no "Left", and there is no "Right".
There is democaracy, freedom, truth and equality...
and there is everything else.
soyousay18 1 year ago
I accept JP is certianly a proud snivel libertarian / lefty. He does need to understand that only a bit more than a half of the world is communist/socialistit/Labor. The other half believe in people helping themselves.
I have met people like him when I worked in the Aboriginal Industry and I used to be like him in many ways, I became aware that "making nice" made me feel good as it does for him but it needs to be remembered that saying the nice thing has no relationship with doing it!
Inconvenientruths 1 year ago
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Alan Hart is an author, former Middle East Chief Correspondent for Independent Television News and former BBC Panorama presenter specialising in the Middle East. Listen to his explanation of 911: pLzxCO6c6yc
CreationZero 1 year ago
a wise man.
oakboy12 1 year ago
It's fair 2 say Pilger is right when he started by sayin:
"Those who read newspapers & watch TV & listen 2 the radio R given no real sense of scale of the bloodshed among ordinary Iraqis!
I can understand canadianroot's frustration as I read TRMerc comments.
It is my regret to say that my dear friend TRMerc sounds like the people Pilger talked about at the start of this video.
Tubamir 1 year ago 11
thanks john
milkshake19782009 1 year ago
The lid has popped off the can of worms we know as Zionism and the ugly reality of how radical-Zionism is the greatest threat to peace is becoming obvious.
There was not a single "oil man" encouraging the US to attack Iraq. If you remember, however, radical-Zionists after radical-Zionist showed up on every TV program that would have them and spread the standard lies that sucked the US into an illegal invasion of Iraq.
NEKO2BOT 1 year ago
terroism, terrorists, its all bullshit.. how many countries has the US in vaded and murdered for oil... we know the fucking truth.. and these government cunts know we know it 2. their propaganda bullshit is starting to fall apart. theres no war on terror, there is a war on oil and we all know whos obsessed with fucking oil dont we..
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neozzyinu 2 years ago
The best Propaganda is that there is NO Propaganda in the West.
The western Ego!!! Our leaders never Lie to us would they!! ?
uuuuh, YES.
"Lets have more Peace over there, and start another war!"
Orwellian news speak / double think!
ericsonny 2 years ago 28
@ericsonny Exactly so. Propaganda is at its most effective state, when people think there is no propaganda. That paradox is to great nuisance to those of us, who know we are being formed, streamlined and twisted by our major news outlets.
Gufberg 1 year ago
Very emotional man, though his claim that millions have died is based on 1 study which was peer reviewed, but he never said it was confirmed
Another thing is the 1990 blockade of Iraq, the number of deaths was never confirmed by any world organization and was reported by Saddam's Government
Also John Pilger is a socialist who wants to bring down our current system. Of COURSE he is going to say we are the bad guys in this
TRMerc 2 years ago
It's because the corporations are.
Not the people of america; it's who your goverment truly helps.
Get your facts straight.
czwaal 2 years ago 2
John Pilger is not going to approve information like this just because he 'wants to bring down our current system'. It's because of the truths he's discovered that he fights to overturn the current system; just like all revolutionaries. He's been an investigative journalist for a very long time and barely criticised for the accuracy of his findings (when I say barely I mean that when he has been accused of being inaccurate it's been investigated, found not to be true and then dismissed).
thesock31 2 years ago
Sorry, I meant 'activist' not revolutionary haha.
thesock31 2 years ago
@thesock31
Ok but if the report about 1 million Iraq Civilians being killed SINCE the US invasion was true, it wouldn't be in only 1 report
That's what I find funny about that, 1 report said it was true and he is use that. If lets say 3 said that, then I would start to believe it
1 million dead since SADDAM took power I'll believe, but since the US invasion, sorry I'm just not buying it
TRMerc 2 years ago
Yeah perhaps it seems strange, but just like Orwell's quote: 'Sanity is not statistical'. It can be said that 'Truth is not statistical' either, in the sense that just because; say if only 1 study concluded 1m deaths in Iraq but 3 studies concluded 500,000 deaths doesn't make it fact just because more studies conclude the same result. It's about the Methodology; how they obtained these results. Perhaps John Pilger viewed the methods they used to collect this result and found it to be accurate.
thesock31 2 years ago
So the statistics of a million dead in Iraq since the US invasion could be not the truth according to that logic, but because this man is supporting it you believe it is the truth
If it was the truth more then 1 source would have discovered this. Like I said 1 million dead since Saddam took power probably true... 1 million dead as a result of western influence... false
Remember Saddam was "Ethnic Cleansing" by killing which ethnic group by the thousands?
TRMerc 2 years ago
The same method was used on the environment research, only the method of how the TRUE data was formulated was hidden
This study might have excluded dates, it might have included something that would have happened normally had there not been an invasion
Remember figures lie and lairs figure. This man has an AGENDA, and often with socialists the ends justify the means
"Well I lied about that, but think of the greater good" is something I hear a LOT from them (not just one I'm talking 20+)
TRMerc 2 years ago
@TRMerc So, John Pilger quotes the most reliable study done on the subject and you ridicule it. Then you take the liberty of wildy asserting: "1 million dead since Saddam took power probably true". You're like the people who are sceptical of the U.S. government's official story of 9/11 but then ditch their scepticism when it comes to the 'inside-job' theory.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
A million people are holocausted dead-children BURNED ALIVE in bombing runs- and TRMerc whinges that Pilger is getting "emotional", then bags him as "Unamerican"/wanting to bring down his bloody & avaricious system.. To think I bothered once reasoning with this TRMerc type Swine.. What arse-holes the HumanRace contains... ! Be PROUD of your murderous AngloYankWankEmpire, you conceited fucking pig.
Steveguyatrocket 2 years ago
Oh you want to talk about "empire atrocities" then look at England
English tactics in dealing with Middle East Terrorists
Cut their head off and stick their body inside a disemboweled pig. That's right they would cut a "suspected" terrorists head off and stuff him in a dead pig in front of other suspected terrorists to get information from them
Water boarding doesn't seem so bad now does it?
TRMerc 2 years ago
Here is another
America is the only "empire" in history to GIVE more to it's beaten enemies then take. It is the only "empire" in history to DESTROY a overwhelming military force (see what happened after WW II), America is the only "empire" in history to NOT take control of a country they beat in war
TRMerc 2 years ago
And tell me this the US economy is 100 times larger then the Iraq economy, if the US took EVERY CENT from Iraq for a year, it would cover 1.2 months. That means everything is taken from Iraq 100%
There is no way the US "empire" could sustain itself by "stealing" from poor countries cause it would have to take every penny from every country outside of Europe and Asia to BARELY sustain itself over a year
Everything leaving those countries barren of any semblance of human life except the people
TRMerc 2 years ago
One last thing
The holocaust was a systematic killing of an ETHNIC GROUP which Saddam was doing to the Kurds
The US didn't do carpet bombing in the Iraq war. If we did we would have LEVELED every Iraq city we carpet bombed
The US did not go in and round up ever citizen or even 10% of them and execute them (to my knowledge not even the all seeing one in the video above has found evidence of US executing it's prisoners like the Terrorists have)
TRMerc 2 years ago
@TRMerc You said that the citizens of a nation shouldn't be accountable for the crimes of the government. You just referred to the U.S. carpet bombing Iraqi cities as "we". "If WE did WE would have..." So it's "we" now? You and the U.S. Armed Forces.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
Hey Merc-iless, keep masturbating over your flag, it'll give you a good feeling, and make you blind to the FACTS that USA is merely the most recent incarnation of human greed & brutality on a scale the world has never suffered before. People outside your brainwash border know you to be a pack of bloated swine masturbating each other, pushing bomb buttons to incinerate innocents world-wide. Ugly unrepentant conceited brainwashed pigs.
Steveguyatrocket 2 years ago
Really? You're going to use that line when we have dictators who are hording so much of their countries wealth that they tell their citizens to "Eat Grass"
Men who videotape the beheading of a captured soldier and post it online for everyone to see
And lets not forget people who believe that just because you EXIST is grounds for killing you
and America is bad... I'd add another layer of tin foil to that hat of yours, cause Eroupe screwed up the world LONG before the US got involved
TRMerc 2 years ago
Britan screwed up the middle east and a LOT of the islands south of China... they also did their fair share to China as well
They all really F***ED up Africa. What America took some people, the UN is using military force and tell them how to live their lives
And yes everyone outside knows how horrible we are... which is why more people immigrate INTO America then out of it
Mostly because what ever America does is BETTER then what most middle east leaders do
TRMerc 2 years ago
WHAT does America stand for ? A.rrogant M.urderers E.xtortion R.acketeers I.nternationale! C.onniving A.ssHoles. (why do you keep assuming I'm European???) When will you feel Guilt for your own crimes and stop talking about the stick in your neighbours eye ? (thats a line from Christ if youre a completely ignorant yankee Swine )
Steveguyatrocket 2 years ago
Did you come up with that all by yourself? Or did someone else?
Cause you assume I'm assuming your European? Cause a lot of the problems in the world today are caused by the mistakes people from Europe made when they had more power?
See that's what we call ignoring the past
I'll try to explain but the character limit hurts
TRMerc 2 years ago
See a long time ago England conquered the middle east through superior technology. The took people who had been blood enemies for YEARS... and decided to make them next door neighbors, by removing the boundaries they had established, and creating their own
Thus you have countries like Iraq who have three ethnic people who have been trying to kill each other off for years living togeather... and it wasn't until recently (late 90s early 00s) that they started learning to live with one another
TRMerc 2 years ago
Then you have things they DID... like removing all guns from the populous and imposing restrictions they lived under until years later when England finally left them alone... so for the past 50 years they've been ruling themselves instead of England ruling them
Dictators abused the Democratic system and installed themselves as... Dictators much like Hitler did in Germany, by destroying their countries Congress and removing free elections
TRMerc 2 years ago
Next when they start threatening other countries and taking action to actually make good on those threats (yes Saddam was talking about attacking America before Desert Storm and hired Nazi Germany's top cannon scientist the one that built the cannon to shell London from the CENTER OF GERMANY to build a cannon able to put payloads into low ORBIT) we turn out to be the bad guys... I'm sorry but since when does taking weapons away from someone who is insane ever been bad?
TRMerc 2 years ago
Well Charles Manson might want to start Armageddon but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to own a Hunting Rifle
I'm sorry but when a leader decides that just because someone says "I don't like you" is grounds for having their head chopped off.. that leader is not right in the head.. and anyone who defends that kind of person is right there beside them in the insane catagory
Also if Pilger is right, there would be more evidence then 1 report, unless the USA controls the world media now
TRMerc 2 years ago
Also nice touch adding Jesus, but you know what I don't feel guitly of Crimes someone else committed
If a government commits a crime makes it's citizens guilty, every German from the 50s is guilt of Genocide, Every Iraqi as well, also Every Russian from Stalin's day, and just about everyone from the middle east cause a lot of the leaders from those countries want to kill all the Jews, but don't take my word for it... just listen to their speeches when they publicly announce it
TRMerc 2 years ago
I point out to you that your nation has the blood of near a million non-combatants on its hands, its greedy oil-grabbing murderous hands; and you STILL want to play word-game debates with me. Merc-iless I dont even read your comments anymore- I just hold the mirror up that maybe one day you will SEE YOUR BLOODY, GREEDY HANDS.
Steveguyatrocket 2 years ago
See you're not coming up with anything new, you think repeating the same thing over and over makes it true?
Show me another report that confirms what Pilger is talking about. If it is true there should be more then 1, Uno, Un, Одно, Ένας, Ein, 1개, 1つ, 一, and only one report that says that
I'm sorry if you can't come up with more evidence then you're just saying the same things Stalin, Ahmadinejad, Mao, and Bin Laden are saying... cause they all called America Evil to
TRMerc 2 years ago
I challenge you I DARE YOU to come up with more evidence
You can't, because the only evidence you believe is what John Pilger tells you to. I never believe what the US government tells me 100%, but you know what? I'm not going to believe someone who promotes a failed system that failed not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES
Italy, Germany, USSR
All were poverty stricken as Socialist, all are better now that they aren't. Even Dictatorships work better the Socialist governments... figure that out
TRMerc 2 years ago
@TRMerc What are you talking about? What socialist governments of Italy, Germany and the USSR? How ignorant of history are you? Did George Orwell write your history book to teach us a lesson?
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
@TRMerc I have a german shepherd dog, but so did Hitler, therefore I'm wrong to have a german shepherd, they are evil. What spurious reasoning: "Stalin, Ahmadinejad, Mao and Bin Laden all called America evil". Fallacy.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
@TRMerc He said that it was the most reliable and best conducted study, not the only report ever made on the subject that reaches the same conclusion. As in, what do you think? No one died in Iraq? Five people died? One hundred? Ten thousand? One hundred thousand? And how many is too many for you?
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
America has declared war on the the brain. ANYONE who doesn't have a capatalist mentality WILL be invaded, no matter how well functioning they are. The whole of the media in the western world is a mouthpeice for their actions and people believe it because they are not given a choice. There are people out there who try to expose their lies but they don't have a whole hemesphere funding them so they just don't have the means of getting heard. They Staged 911 so they could massacre the middle east.
1989Sebastian1989 2 years ago
Then America just declared war on the entire world and will have to start systematically conquering 10 countries a year if we are to complete it in 1 presidential term
You think the Media is a mouthpiece for the government? That might be true now, but under Bush the media was insulting him left and right
Just put your tin foil hat on and go curl up in your basement. Cause our current pres is more likely to say "Sorry" to a country then invade... dumb ass
TRMerc 2 years ago
I never said government I said America . Bush wasn't really in charge nor is Obama , they're puppets held by the same people who have always been in charge. So the media can insult or congratulate whoever they want it doesn't make a difference, as long as they are backing up a 'democratic' system the powers that be are happy because they control who becomes president anyway.
Its not just America though its the U.K, Europe, Australia etc. all controlled by powerful and wealthy Businessmen.
1989Sebastian1989 2 years ago
Right... cause America was so behind Bush 100% with the invasion of Iraq. They were making songs praising him sending troops over and making movies honoring him
Wait they made songs like "Lets impeach the president" when Bush was in office and "W" which was a movie basically insulting bush
TRMerc 2 years ago
Seriously just go crawl down into your basement and make sure to put a double layer of tin foil on your head so they can't read you mind
Also... have you seen what the news media in America is supporting? Single Payer Health-care... that is definitely Democratic... even though every socialist country in history had that
Or how about Cap and Trade... you know taxing pollution output of factories, cause that's democratic to, limiting business production
TRMerc 2 years ago
America wanted to invade Iraq ,Bush was their method of doing that, he said himself he was a war presiden'. Stop listening to the media seriously its a very in depth con, designed to keep you in fear, racist and ignorant. Global Warming is also a con..the whole solar system is heating up its not just earth..educate yourself the information is out there -question everything that is told to you by big businesses coz its lies!
resorting to personal attacks in conversation is the sign of a bigot.x
1989Sebastian1989 2 years ago
Yes thousands of people protesting against the invasion of Iraq is all a ploy. Stop being so full of yourself in thinking you know how MILLIONS of people think
See I hate the news Media. I hate them with a passion. Cause they are biased and say they aren't
The problem is people like John Pilger is a REPORTER. Meaning he makes his money off of people listening to what he says
He followed the "If it bleeds it leads" mentality with finding 1 report that supports what he wants people hear
TRMerc 2 years ago
You don't really know me at all. Don't say you do
As a kid I was friends with every black kid in my neighborhood growing up. I made friends with more blacks in High School then whites
But despite that because my skin color is white I MUST hate black people. Cause society says that
You need to learn how to think again. Don't just assume you know how this world works
TRMerc 2 years ago
You are reading things you imagined I wrote. I said nothing about the American public. It just goes to show the lack democracy that so many people can protest against something yet they go ahead and do it anyway under the guise of freedom!
1989Sebastian1989 2 years ago
Also I never said you were racist I said you were being bigoted, in that, instead of having a discussion you were resorting to personal attacks. The sign that you dont know how to back up what youre saying.
I know how to think thank you, I do lots of it, and by the sounds of it you could do with questioning what you are told a little more.
1989Sebastian1989 2 years ago
Sorry I thought were we bringing up things completely unrelated to each others points
See you seem to think that there is this America that invades other countries just to impose their belief system upon them without an outcry from it's people. It's call the UN actually
The UN went into Africa with military force not to stop a genocide, not to stop a dictator that has a paper trail connecting him to world terrorist organization
but to stop female circumcision aka Female genital mutilation
TRMerc 2 years ago
See the US congress (not president) had 10 reasons to goto war with Iraq
Only one was the treatment of it's people
the rest... well I guess they were minor
capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction
firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War
continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations
noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire
but those were all minor things that really have no merit
TRMerc 2 years ago
PS
According to the UN the first WMD was Mustard Gas which Saddam used in the early 90s
He was was given a slap on the wrist and told bad boy compared to what commanders who used it in WW II... they were executed
TRMerc 2 years ago
So what were Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
canadianroot 2 years ago
Treatment of it's (sic) people?
You have GOT to be joking.
We'd be at war with ourselves, firstly, then every single country of the world.
Sorry, Merc, but that's just bunkum.
canadianroot 2 years ago
Baloney.
Rubbish.
Journalism is corporately-fed these days.
John is independent.
How much do you know of his work?
canadianroot 2 years ago
John 'finds' the evidence he needs it seems. It's kinda funny how his 'evidence' he finds supports his viewpoints
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had less deaths from the nukes then all the Fire Bombing... yet turning people to ash seems more horrible THEN BURNING THEM ALIVE?
also where did sic come from?
TRMerc 2 years ago
Here is a tried and true saying "Figures Lie and Liers always Figure"
See to Socialists, then ends justify the means. It's in their book for crying out loud. Lying to gain support is ENCOURAGED
That guy is a Socialist. There was a Socialist journalist that was assigned to the USSR from the New York Times who reported that the people being starved to death weren't starving to death. They just weren't working within the system and needed to be removed from it
That doesn't get press though
TRMerc 2 years ago
People only do things for one reason and one reason only. Money
Here is a hint, with power comes money.
So a Socialist will make it look like he isn't doing it for money, but in the end he will want money. Fame=Power=Money
Fame=Power because people will listen to you
Power=Money cause when you have power you can demand money from people
see how that works out? It's how Hollywood works, he is just taking it global
TRMerc 2 years ago
@TRMerc Your first premise of "people only do things for one reason. Money" is incorrect. A lot of people's actions are motivated by avarice, and more specifically monetary greed, but not all are. Some actions are motivated out of blind patriotism, some out of familial loyalty, some out of jealous anger, some out of benevolence and compassion. A lot of actions are motivated by the desire for money, but being so hyperbolic as to say that it is the sole motivation for all actions is wrong.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
@TRMerc The USSR wasn't socialist. Learn your history please before you comment on very serious issues, thank you very much. The label "socialist" was U.S. propaganda, to smear socialism, and Soviet Union propaganda, to profit from the moral power of socialism.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
sorry, i'm a pedant for spelling. its, not it's. liar, not lier. than, not then.
anyway, do you really think the press and the media are "liberal"? CBS, for one, is owned by a defence industry player. labels are for shirts.
hiroshima and nagasaki clearly caused more death and destruction than saddam did to the kurds. (moot point)
the US has been at war since WWII constantly. + or - 50 countries either invaded outright, or had their governments overthrown with overt or covert CIA interference.
canadianroot 2 years ago
Right Saddam only had over 400,000 people in 270 Mass graves and killed over 130,000 more in "ethnic cleansings"
Hiroshima 90,000 to 140,000 Some estimates up to 200,000
Nagasaki 80,000 total deaths
Oh BTW the two targets for the Nagasaki bomb
Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works and the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works
So lets see at MOST 500,000 if every citizen in Hiroshima and Nagasaki survived the conventional bombing and was under the nukes... compared to over 530,000 counted for Saddam
TRMerc 2 years ago
Also care to elaborate on the CIA claims
I mean the US takes so much money from other countries like Iraq... which could run the US economy for almost 2 months if we took EVERY penny they made for a year
I'm talking not even letting one ounce of food left, or letting people keep ANY money they earn, or anything of value. I mean China's GDP doesn't even match half the US GDP
So how is it that the US is surviving on taking from the impoverish countries?
TRMerc 2 years ago
taking from?
hell, the MAKE them impoverished....and KEEP them that way.
they have enforced an almost feudalistic debt-peonage system through their imperialism. the world bank....the IMF....hardly organs of altruism....unless you believe that they are.....and then there's nothing i can do to change your mind.
canadianroot 2 years ago
jesus christ, we're getting into a genocidal pissing contest. don't believe ANYTHING until it is officially denied.
peoples died of cancer for years and years after both atomic bombs. pearl harbor was known to be imminent, and the US stood down so that they'd have an excuse to go in there.
i'd like you to comment on my point, which i think it crucial: america is almost constantly at war.
canadianroot 2 years ago
fuck....my spelling.....it's late. i'm tired. anyway, sure, you make some points....but i stand my ground.
i can't believe you want me to elaborate on the CIA "claims". ask any number of former agents who are so disgusted by what they engaged in that they've spoken out about it openly. research it, my good man. plus there are many publicly available formerly top secret documents. happy reading.
canadianroot 2 years ago
Mao killed 70 million over the years.....Pol Pot....Pinochet....all mass murderers. The US, driven by god to deliver it's perfect system of democracy.....did nothing.
Hell, they installed Pinochet....driving out Allende, a democratically elected leader, albeit one not amenable to being owned by US corporate interests....how DARE he try to nationalize the copper industry.....the temerity!
canadianroot 2 years ago
@TRMerc No. John Pilger isn't a reporter. John Pilger is one of the most acclaimed, honest and independent journalists in the world. If you would care to even listen to what he has to say on journalism, search "the invisible government" on YouTube.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
@TRMerc Oh my goodness. Stop making comments on things you know nothing about. If you knew the smallest thing about socialism, you would know that all real socialists want a socialist democracy. A socialist democracy would be far more democratic than the Republican government of the U.S., really a corporatocracy, in which the people elect one of two oligarchies. Call universal healthcare whatever propagandised label you want, it doesn't detract from all people deserving healthcare.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
Pretty heady stuff there, Steve. But let's give our Merc a break, huh? Yeah, sure, his "math" is pretty skewed and all, but leave a man to his soldier-worshipping, pud-pounding-to-God-Bless-America fantasies.
I gotta say, though, I like the way you express yourself. Methinks you hit the bullseye.
canadianroot 2 years ago
Even if America defended pearl harbor and won there would still be more then enough reason to go to war
There is a difference between Mao and Saddam... the cease fire agreement gave the US the right to go in, the US had nothing on Mao
I'm done talking with you. You're probably Steve under a different alt so I'm done
You just curl up under your tin foil hat and go live in Iran cause that is the type of leader you want in the world.
TRMerc 2 years ago
fuck off with the tin foil hat bullshit.
i'm sick of that tired old canard.
you have your pre-determined hypothesis and are steeled to defend it.
dude....it's than, not then. learn it.
do the world a favour....put on your uniform....and get your ass over there to defend us all against.....um.....what's that word again? oh yeah....terrorism.
live in iran? what a stretch....you are so far off the mark.
you might get a nice job at raytheon or halliburton one day.
good luck, and i'm done, too.
canadianroot 2 years ago
Then stop sounding like one
Here are a few things you should know about me
1: I'm for stopping someone who is planning to kill someone no matter WHERE they are
2: I'm looking at buying an electric car as it will be more cost effective for me then gasoline cars
3: I'm an isolationist. I don't want to deal with other countries unless they have plans to attack us or trade
4: I'm not a blind follower. Saddam had loose ties to Al Queda, but it was his violations of the cease fire that doomed him
TRMerc 2 years ago
5: Bin Laden should have been the Main focus of our over seas operations
6: Bush wasn't the best president we have ever had but he wasn't the worst
7: No government is perfect
8: I believe everything people do is for money if it involves more then their own life (like anyone with a political agenda)
9: I believe people are Lazy and would rather outlaw something someone else is using to make money then start their own company and take that business away from the other person
TRMerc 2 years ago
how the fuck do i come off sounding like a tin foil hat wearer, dude?
stop slinging mud.
you're pretty intelligent, as i can see, the incorrect use of then notwithstanding.
don't believe everything you read about al qaeda. recall the words of Claud Cockburn:
"Never believe anything until it is officially denied."
And, George Orwell (to paraphrase): "Many journalists now are no more than channellers and echoers of the official truth"
Good luck, Merc.
No hard feelings.
canadianroot 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
want where you sound like a tin foil hat man?
they have enforced an almost feudalistic debt-peonage system through their imperialism. the world bank....the IMF....hardly organs of altruism....unless you believe that they are.....and then there's nothing i can do to change your mind.
If America is like a feudalistic country. It's the only one that GIVES more to it's holdings then takes. Look at Puerto Rico and tell me America harms them more then helps
TRMerc 2 years ago
@TRMerc If by "loose ties" you mean "no ties whatever".
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
@EclecticSceptic WTF just happened? Either all these posts somehow got reposed 2 hours ago due to a glitch, or someone just had a one sided conversation
TRMerc 1 year ago
@TRMerc LOL LOL LOL LOL "America is the only "empire" in history to NOT take control of a country they beat in a war". LOLOLOLOL! Did you mean 'his story', and by 'his story' you meant 'Bush's story of how America is the greatest nation ever yay America, land of the free'. As in, serious irony.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
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TRMerc 2 years ago
this man is truthfull.
1MrSpider 2 years ago
I agree, without him a lot of issues would be left in the dark, he has a rare talent. He seems to always be cheerful too , It would be cool to meet him in person, although I'd probably bombard him with a million questions haha.
thesock31 2 years ago
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ericsonny 2 years ago