Qik - NH freedom buffs mull protest @ judge home by Dave Ridley

[Giverney13]

Thx Dave for liberty in our lifetimes, may you be fortified

[trailertrashrnr]

pack your car with old news papers, your dirty cloth, kitty litter box, bags of old fast food and what ever else yo can find - let them search away.

[tocardx]

Ya know Dave... Unless your phone can't do this... You can get much higher quality video by recording it, and then uploading it to Qik, rather than streaming it to Qik. Streaming is really only needed when you are in that situation where your camera might be stolen from you by the cops at any moment.

[slewofdamascus]

I do believe there are already medical opinions about the dangers of this technology and, of course, the issue of privacy is crucial. I wonder how many people, for example, are aware that it is a full body, naked scan? It beats esoteric constitutional arguments that don't resonate with enough people (sadly). One could go to the affected airport(s) and handout this detailed information. It's not sexy, but I think it's worthwhile.

[AnarchyInYourHead]

I think it's crucial to point out that the "demonstration" is specifically a candlelight vigil. I would likely not support it otherwise.

[slewofdamascus]

That is an important point, I think that's the right approach, because it makes an active statement, while being respectful to innocent bystanders, as it were.

[hibraisil]

I wish you would stay away from peoples homes and keep the activity in the arena of where the various offenses take place. 1) Its clearly something that could be seen as provocative and used as an excuse to be more aggressive in the future and 2) The neighbors and family members of these people do not deserve to be punished for the actions of the officials. Or are you adopting the philosophy of the govt. that collateral damage is okay as long as you succeed in your goal?

[slewofdamascus]

The real danger looming is one that consists of energy and food shortages, brought on by economic collapse or widespread "natural" (HAARP) disasters or nucleur or biological "terrorism" (by the same folks who produced 9-11) or some combination there of. Martial law is on obvious fallout, as are restrictions on travel, and this is where the detention camps come into play. It's imperative, therefore, that we calmly prepare. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

[slewofdamascus]

The us governemnt, through the use of a diabolical tsa, is trying to bankrupt the airline insdustry in order to federalize it, which gives them supreme control over air travel, and through that power they can (and likely will) restrict and monitor movement of the population. Our country is becoming less free every day, and I think many of us expect a falseflag event that creates martiallaw, publicly doing to the constitution what was done to it privately lo those many years ago.

[rabbit2110]

thefreedommovement not the liberty movement

[SSILENTNATION]

You all flip out and pee your pants with horror when a single old lady comes by your homes for a simple census questionnaire, but feel it alright to gather a mob and bother someone at their home, based on a disagreement. What of this judges personal liberties...have you no concern for everyones liberties, or just a select few? And don't give me that sidewalk public property crap - because the cops in your last video weren't hurting a thing and were bothered for simply sitting in a car.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

The police have a proven propensity and history of assault and battery (arrest) against those who have not violated any legal rights. The free state project does not.

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux Assault & battery is not the same as an arrest for a violation of an existing law - don't play Twister. Show me one video where the batons and fists are swinging against freestaters in NH. Now - show me a place on here where police officers voie daily frustration with freestaters and threaten future violence - and compare your non-results with the numerous threats of violence and MURDER by freestaters against the police. This can be found all over the place on Ridley vids alone.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery. (State v. Robinson, 145 ME.

The only condition under which arrest is legal is with probable cause of a crime being committed.

[WorBlux]

@WorBlux

Component parts of every crime are the occurrence of a specific kind of injury or loss, somebodys criminality as source of the loss, and the accuseds identity as the doer of the crime; the first two elements are what constitutes the concept of corpus delecti. U.S. v. Shunk, 881 F.2d 917, 919 C.A. 10 (Utah).

And act is not a crime unless there is a specific kind of injury or loss, regardless of what legislatures may write to the contrary.

[WorBlux]

@WorBlux

And this is in line with the definition of the judicial power, which is the power of a court to decide and pronounce a judgment and carry it into effect between persons and parties who bring a case before it for decision. It is the right to determine actual controversies arising between diverse litigants, duly instituted in courts of proper jurisdiction.

Courts were only given jurisdiction of cases and controversies where legal rights are disputed by genuine adversaries.

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux Sorry but this isn't the Land of Oz - and in case you haven't heard everyone's bitching on here....Possession/Consuming marijuana is a crime. Maybe put your Wikipedia Law Degree to good use and read up on it. When a cop arrests you for marijuana....it isn't illegal - Are you really so stupid that you deny the existence of the marijuana laws? LOL

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

So if these legislature declared it unlawful to walk on Wednesday, would you think such walking a crime? A crime is merely a public tort, like any other tort, and a violation of a legal right must be demonstrated. Any other interpretation is incongruous with with the stated purpose of government with is to protect and maintain individual rights as well as the judicial power which is only extended to actual cases and controversies where violation of a right is demonstrated.

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux Okay that is great and all; however, no such ridiculous law exists, because the legislature, composed of people that the majority elects, wouldn't suggest such a law. But if they did, how would one go about changing it? They would elect a different person. Yelling, screaming and later threatening physical violence towards other human beings is not the correct medium in which to change a law. Not everyone wants marijuana legal and either way...the police are not to blame.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

Elect has the denotation of agreement and consent. A legislative and judicial power that was the power to make literally anything a crime, to direct and punish however they may please, is in short the power to make others slaves.Such power is incompatible with the nature of consent as an act of will.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

It is either the case that judicial system only has the legal power to hear genuine cases and controversies and has exceed that power in these arrests, or that the powers are completely arbitrary. In either case you cannot seriously allege that anybody has the duty to submit passively to such measures weather it's the use of marijuana or walking on a Wednesday.

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux - You're right - I don't seriously allege people give police officers the same level of respect they want for themselves, I absolutely insist upon it. It sounds like maybe living in a land lf laws is not for you. I hear Haiti is beautiful this time of year. Laws were not created for people to sit at home and decipher them as being optional or not.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

I do not want irresponsible dominion over all other men, to subject all other men to my will and service, nor do I wish to aid any man or body of men in similar endeavors.

Can you tell me factually what a law is?

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

And you entirely misunderstand my argument. My argument is the law, or legal requirement for injury in fact (case of controversy) as required by the language of the constitution, and the nature of the constitution as an instrument which claims to be a contract, cannot be ignored overlooked or waived if you wish to argue that the constitution is of any binding power whatsoever, and that the nation rest of the consent of the governed.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

And if the constitution is not valid, and the government powers not rest on consent, then it is radically incoherent to claim that the constitution and laws issuing in accordance thereof have any binding ability whatsoever. Rather that the only source of government is their willingness to use force and fraud.

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux You're overexploring something that is really rather simple - your attempts at examining the simplicity of a misdemeanor in NH - as if acting in between philosophical nay-sayer and that of a community college lawyer is a bit much. Marijuana is illegal. If you don't like it, don't argue with me about it, do so with someone who can change it. I bet you feel the Constitution gives you the right to drive on the wrong side of the road too...or not stop for school busses.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

And you have failed to explore at all.

Can you tell me what a law is factually?

Only in terms of facts, and avoid interpretations, additions, or deletions.

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux Are you actually assigning me homework now? You already know what a law is.....I already know what a law is. If you don't know what a law is, "factually", then there is no hope for you. But if you're looking for great language though to wow your friends with, you can google it and cut/paste it for all to enjoy. .

[SSILENTNATION]

@WorBlux LOL - you're kidding me right? That is like asking me what a tax is, or what really is a Constitution, when you put your finger on it. A means of communication, through writing - that is what it is - so if you can tout an understanding what a Constitution is, and that people should follow it, then surely you understand what a law is. This is a land of laws - you're just going to have to get used to it and participate in changing them if you don't like them.

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

Law factually is paper and ink or writing on paper. That's all it is, the means by which it exists.

And so then when you say land of law, are you saying the land is made of paper and ink? In a way you are correct just as middle-earth is a land of paper and ink.

It is a general principle of reason and justice that writing, ink on paper, cannot bind a man unless he agrees to it.

[WorBlux]

@WorBlux

If the "law of the United States" this land of paper and ink is possibly able to bind me, it cannot be in such a way to reduce me to slave, to the arbitrary service and obedience of other men. It is reasonable to assume a man might give power of arbitration to cases and controversies to another as per the language of the constitution, but is not reasonable to assume a man would submit as a slave to the dominion of another man.

[WorBlux]

@WorBlux

The law which says possession of marijuana is punishable, is in direct contraction with the way the constitution has been and must be interpreted for it to be an instrument with any binding power whatsoever.

If you say the constitution and laws bind me not to posses marijuana merely because it has been written down, rather than that it is a violation of a legal right, then you have destroyed the only basis on which the constitution and laws could be binding i.e. consent.

[WorBlux]

@WorBlux

*direct contradiction with the way...

[WorBlux]

@SSILENTNATION

It is also a principle of justice and reason, that a contract must never, if it be possible to avoid it, be so construed, as that any one of the parties to it, assuming him to understand his rights, and to be of competent mental capacity to make obligatory contracts, may not reasonably be presumed to have consented to it.

That is we must never interpret a document as obliging the slavery, rape, or murder of a party.

[Elephantintheroom01]

My Suggestion:

When stopped, ask under what law your being detained under, is it state law or congress law? If it is the patriot act, point out that it is not a state law and you recall no vote on it, therefore it cannot apply to you. Without consent no obligation can exist otherwise thats the opposite of democracy.

No need to repeat it, don't open your car, sit quietly as traffic backs up behind you. That should create enough pressure for them to release you.

[remember04191775]

I think it's OK to hurt the airlines. They certainly aren't defenders of our freedoms. Both Boston Logan and Manchester Regional have full body scanners. It's not enough to just "starve the beast", we need to starve all friends and known associates of the beast.

[Elephantintheroom01]

@remember04191775

Its a good idea, what ellse do they expect? Unpopular service causes a drop in sales. But thats all the punishment they deserve for following the law because they have no choice.

[WorBlux]

@Elephantintheroom01

No choice? Police and prosecutors powers are discretionary and they are not legally required to do anything at all? Not to mention they could be doing something else for a living.

[Elephantintheroom01]

@WorBlux I was talking about the airlines... but i do hate the stupidity of it all, their taught to fear everyone so they are more easily manipulated, but when the time comes to resist them, they think its an attack! Thats what brainwashing really is: an ideology that accepts violence against a minority for whatever reason it is.

[libertyfizz]

@remember04191775 Well there goes any hope that I will fly to New Hampshire. I won't be able to come until I can arrange the 16 hour road trip. I suppose all the air ports have those evil machines now.

[TheGrayman1234]

thelibertymovement? I don't think that is right. I can't find that youtube user.

[TheGrayman1234]

@TheGrayman1234 Ahhh, got it. It is "thefreedommovement"