This is what I mean. Styles like these dont work. All those trapping, and locking training and at the end you ll see nothing of this in a fight. Simply cuz it doesnt work.
shitty wing chun on the dude's part, the guy should learn some wrestling. wing chun's fking awesome but it's nothing if you don't understand what the other man can do, i.e. grabbing his leg and lifting it so high to drop the opponent, nearly set him up for a perfect triangle choke. Not saying wing chun is lesser, however for any kung fu practicioner it's best to learn just more than one style for the sake of flexibility, and avoiding such circumstances.
They are in both great shape but they seem to lack discipline and any kind of noticeable technique whatsoever. The guy stopping to pose all the time didnt help his credibility either.
Media: The only reason why all these people think BJJ is the be-all, end-all. These arts have roots hundreds if not thousands of years old as opposed to BJJ's decades. So saying these fighters are BJJ-influenced is bass ackwards. BJJ, much like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do, is an amalgamation of older styles, combined into something unto itself. You wanna say the monks of Shaolin watch too many Bruce Lee movies?
First thing I saw was the crap vs crapier comment and was prepared to defend but truth be told he's right - that has nothing to do with proper Wing Chun and the Silat guy is oddly reluctant to actually use Silat aside from show-and-tell time in the beginning. I practice Wing Chun and have absolute respect for Silat but truth is this is horrible.
blood claart! where's the "REAL" wing chun? two minute sesion on a wooden dummy and a crap display of chain punching with the conviction of a small child contemplating stealing a bannana from a silverback gorila, is very poor indeed! i want money to pay towards my electricity bill having wasted the energy watching this drivel. Truley PATHETIC.
@ehisey Yes I know Silat has similar chokes so does Russian Sambo and English Catch Wrestling but when i watch this video i can see BJJ influences in the way they roll. Im sure these guys watch MMA and were influenced by the grappling used in it (mainly BJJ and wrestling). Thier is nothing new under the sun but BJJ has a certain style to it which you can see.
@onetao8 stop trying to take our credit and give it to the westerner bjj 90% ground technique came from judo and silat use groundmoves too...and both definitely existed before bjj...
@asian714cali Your credit? You didn't invent shit. Just because you are Asian doesn't mean you get credit. Thats like me saying give me credit for electricity because i am a white man. Look what the japanese have done with electronics (a white mans invention). All japanese and most asian martial arts have their origins in India then they moved to China then Okinawa and then Japan. I don't need a history lesson i know my shit. If you think these guys have done NO BJJ you are wrong.
@onetao8as for bjj silat have existing grappling arts befoe bjj lol why do you bjj/ufc fan try to always make it look like all grappling came from bjj when most of bjj newaza came from judo
@asian714cali I don't! If you read my other comment you would see. Grappling exists all roound the world. People have been doing it for thousands of years.
@onetao8 i know my english is terrible do you assume all asian american are born in america or know how to speak fluently and even if not maybe they just want to talk this way it not just me stat shows even in india they speak more english then america but with you know accent..and of course grappling existed everywhere you dont think i know that im talking about bjj
@asian714cali I grew up in asia. I have no problems with asians or their accents. I am not trying to put you down i just can't understand some of what you write.
@onetao8 also greek wrestling,mongolain wrestling,shuai jiao etc..all use grappling before bjj it just that bjj use judo a more modern MA then the ancient one
@onetao8 I think you're confusing actual "jujutsu" with its very shitty Brazilian knock-off art. Not only did Japanese Jujutsu do everything before "Brazil" did, but so did Silat. The Gracie family didn't invent anything new.
@hytseraph Very shitty art? Have you ever tried it? Or do u just hate on it because it has a big name? I have grappled against Jujutsu and Judo practitioners and dominated them using that "very shitty Brazilian knock-off art". The Gracie family did invent many concepts and techniques and they continue to do so. Go to a jujutsu class and a BJJ class. Then tell me they are the same. I did jujutsu for a while and didn't learn much, they dont really spar and do mainly scenario drills!
@onetao8 I have no experience in either. I live in a small town, and it doesn't offer much. I have trained in tkd and boxing, and I can tell you that schools inside a style vary in teaching practices. Do you think it is possible that your jujutsu class was focused on scenario self defense, or that jujutsu classes as a whole focus on scenarios?
@hytseraph You're fucking retarded, the Gracie Family and many new fighters have invented and added so much to Brazilian Jujitsu, it's not a cheap knock off art, you fagot, have some respect, it's definitely modified and the principles are way different. They took good knowledge of Japanese holds, and added more to it.
@Nolan5k Thanks for the tip. Its not a headlock. A headlock is the other way round this is a Guillotine.Not all martial arts incorporate grappling. Wing Chun did take place the guy did chain punches at the beginninig of the fight. That is Wing Chun. I have trained in Wing Chun, muay thai and BJJ for many years so i am already taking classes. Thanks
@onetao8 i take it you are white-wash when i meant our i meant asian in general i didnt mean me obviosuly i didnt invented shit and second you are wrong again...what with people trying to give credit to the inidan..it was a myth all asian martial arts came from india there are many that werent ..and beside what you are talking about is proabaly shaoliquan which only had some influece from bodbhirma but the were from monk and the oldest martial arts recorded would be shuai jiao
silat vs wing chun? They only were able to do any fighting with jiu jitsu moves! Without jiu jitsu training this would have been the funniest most stupid shit I'd ever seen (still was)! Looked like two girls trying to hit each other, though girls look much cooler doing it!
@carlosamigosAUS Meh.. After having watched UFC and MMA fights I don't expect much excitement from watching tournaments anymore. What you need in a fight is passion and fury, unfortunately that's not how these things work.
@carlosamigosAUS and 90% of jiu jitsu groundmove came from judo so basicly bjj is judo ground move and as for silat..they include ground fighting in their system just not alot of it
@greyoldfellow First of all, that's not Wing Tsun, cuz here, you have rules...In Wing Tsun you don't have rules..."crapier" tell it to the German Special Forces...
No poking the orofaces or eyes. No strikes to the throat, groin or eyes. No small joint manipulation like the fingers. No headbuts. No biting. A lot of things are not allowed.
@thevillageyid Sure. Though that's less effective than punches or kicks. If pokes to the eyes, groin or throat were allowed though... Things would certainly be different I would think.
he could of finished that guillotine choke really fast ! but he done one big mistake and that is he didn't cross his leg and that caused him not to have much power coming from the hips.
However, please bear in mind, regardless of whether or not the system utilitizes this, or the individual.. this is a combat system, just as Wing Chun is a combat system.. Both have been proven quite effective.. putting both in a sport, isn't really making use of the tools that each system offers. It becomes an MMA competition.. while that's great for sparring and gives you a feel for combat speed.. it doesn't mean you would NOT use the more aggressive aspects on the street. :-D
Just to clarify on the idea of the dancing a little bit.. :-D In a lot of traditional forms of Silat from Malay, Indonesia and Filipino regions.. they do what they call "posturing".. the purpose of this, is to close off most targets of the body and leave one seemingly undefended, to invite attack to that region.. when in fact it's actually very well defended. It's a concept regarding deception. Some Silat players have stripped that away and some styles don't even teach it.
se esse rapaz luta wing chun eu sou o bill gates, péssimo representante da arte , perde assim e não conseguir fazer uma reversão de chave simples e depois deixar o adversário fazer uma montada dessas ...por favor
@bigbskull Additionally, I've taken an interest in Wing Chun myself and recently discovered that it's third form is very much like the close range concepts of Silat. :-D Surprise! Lol
@bigbskull Have you ever trained in silat? One of the 1,800 styles that is? Lol... What you call dancing is posturing. Not everyone uses it, but in any event Silat has proven itself in combat. ;-)
@bigbskull theres a lot of science behind silat than you think.. just like the ufc... its like a python, silent and deadly... u cant see them being strangled the life out of them.. theres a lot of muscle control than wing chun just uses hands... and fighting is just not about hands.. the dance is just to provoke, but the submission is the one that wins the day... if u watch flash point, even donnie yen approves it.. that is real fighting..
@ennot That was my reasoning for saying that if you lose in a rule based system, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't have street or combative skills, it just means that you fought in a sport that you didn't train to apply your skill in. If I want to utilize silat in sport, I have to extract from it the things that work in the cage and use that. Obviously I can't bring a knife or stick, so that training is useless in the cage. Though on the street, it's a survival skill.
@daddyeyze If the rules don't allow it, then it's absolutely 100% useless in the cage, just as it would be totally useless in Boxing, or Kickboxing or Wrestling... Note, the training itself is not at all useless, and on the street, sure it's deadly. But there's no application for what I know about knives or sticks, if I fight MMA. The first time I whip out a pocket knife and destroy a flexor tendon and filet a rib cage, I'm going to prison. LOL
@ ennot I agree that MMA is the closest training tool we have in unarmed combatives and I think any system for self defense should include full contact practice against a resisting opponent. But I also think it's important to include other elements. Mix up with multiple opponents, get the rubber training knives out and move at speed.. Experiment and extract what works and what will get you killed. But all of it should be tested with speed and enthusiasm.
@SilatPlayer81 I agree 100% that one needs full contact practice against a resisting opponent plus everything else one can get, like multiple opponents and rubber knifes.
The problem I see with many systems that claim to be "real" is that they completely forgo the full contact/resisting opponent part. Similarly most sport-oriented schools forgo the multiple attacker/rubber knife part.
But at least most sport schools don't make unreasonable claims of superiority :)
Honestly, I just think both of these guys should train MMA, if they plan to fight MMA. The Silat player might be very good with Silat, the same is true for the Wing Chun practicioner.. but both have been taken completely out of their element. Note a universal foul in MMA style fighting.. "Attacking an opponent with intent to cause serious harm or injury"... this isn't true in a survival situation, where either art might be a lot more applicable. These guys need wrestling, boxing, etc..
this is sucks, my street fight in school is better than this, it's like they never experience fight before, only trained with dummies that don't fight back, stupid, lol... true fighter never fight like this... this 'no fighter' people but learn to fights really makes art of fighting lame... if this is the 'black belt' people in their school that is think is i cannot match, I think I might bully them... :)
@warwize, Well I can't speak for the Wing Chun guy.. but the Silat player is doing a type of posturing to "Welcome" the attack.. leaving targets exposed, inviting an attack, while being prepared to protect the opening.. it's a concept regarding deception. That being explained, and as a Silat player myself.. yes, I think it's kind of impractical. I've never found a perfect martial art, though I have found several, like Silat, that had useful concepts, if they're treated realistically.
The dude doing Wing Chun looks utterly retarded. It really seems he has no training and is just flailing his fists around like a 'tard. If this is what Wing Chun looks like in a real fight, then I see no real future for it.
@Andhaira Actually, there is a point to the "flailing" as you put it. I think the slapping is funnier. Anyways, it more to do with confusing the enemy, as it does. Another plausible interpretation could be that hes just keeping his body moving in a way that's comfortable to him, yet keeping his guard up, and awareness up, and not just jumping on the spot. Just remember that its an art, and not just a fight. In other words; a way to express yourself, and for self-improvement.
If you are in a fight with a person that uses another style, WC will not work, you can't have the original WC stand and use the original WC fists and kicks. thats why bruce lee took the best from everything in to his style. i am a WC fan and understand that, WC inspired fights are the best fights, if a person can master wing chun tequiniqes and combine it with another style it will become powerful!! I have never seen it before! therefore impossible!
@idate629, Actually I think it all depends on the fighter and the training. No matter how deadly an art is said to be, if practicioners don't train realistically, against realistic attacks, it's worthless.. that applies to any martial art, anywhere. In any event, I don't think MMA will ever be able to measure the street/combat effectiveness of any style.. if you tried, you'd be disqualified for fighting dirty. :-D
All i can say is featherweights. How much training do they even have? The first guy slaps the other, kicks. Then the other 'tries' to pick the first guy up and throw him, but fails quite well. Dances on the floor. Kicks. Other one slaps again. Rince, lather, repeat, then one does a side thrust kick variation, the crowd is slightly excited cause he did a different move. They fall over each other. hug for a while to conserve stamina. Struggle to the floor. Dry hump each other. And ive ran out of..
@mybestregards There both older than me, and have probably been more devoted to their martial art than me. But, i have practiced karate, taekwondo and capoearia, so i know a few moves. I actually believe that MMA is a good basis of modern MA, as it encouraged me to try other martialarts, and also to try and create my own. Primarily for dualsword techniques but it also has some unarmed techniques. Yet i know to be a master in anything, you have to be determined, and able to achieve
@mybestregards Just the fact that one was trying to lift the other and making a mess of it 'cause he wasn't strong enough. I often think that you need a bit of weight to be properly rooted to the ground and in turn able to lift someone your or a smaller weight - sometimes it has nothing to do with strength but how rooted tot he ground you are and the techniques you use. Also, i don't know whether slapping is a martial art move, but it didn't seem to be doing much.
@Tarclasp Thank you, and the vids pretty funny. Still, like i said, they probably have more fighting experience, so who am i to judge their techniques?
@mybestregards I'm not saying that muscle or brute force is needed to win a fight, mostly its about timing and technique. But it can help. Didn't help either of those two being so skinny, i dont think.
@MichaelNTL, I agree, you have the right idea.. I don't really believe MMA is an expression of any combative arts value, since it's still a rule based system. If you take the referee, protective gear and rules out of the equation and tell each fighter it's to the death, you'd have a very different fight.. . Combat is combat, sport is sport.. they can't be put in the same category. You make an excellent point though, when you talk about studying many styles and extracting from each.
@ChamorruWarrior dude.......both fighters are from thailand...and to prove it look at 0:08...above their picture is the flag of their country...and the flag is the same for both...and yes...*ba dum tss* that's the flag of thailand
No... I mean the fighting styles they are using is Wing Chun which is from China, and Silat which is from Malaysia, I'm not talking about where the people are from.
I'm pretty sure "Silat" is one of those things that was around before the lines on a map were really drawn. Human beings in the South East Asian area Indonesia and Malaysia, those people made it up. Not the Indonesian people or Malaysian, human beings of that area made it probably together and or fighting eachother. Just like "MuayThai" Who made"MuayThai"?Is it MuayThai or Pradal Serey? Is the Knee strike from Thailand or Combodia?Or was slamming your knee into someone made up before countries?
it would be weng chun if his "chainfists" were faster and when he would counter the silat fighters attacks . well he just didnt, at least he had more or less the position of weng chun
This is what I mean. Styles like these dont work. All those trapping, and locking training and at the end you ll see nothing of this in a fight. Simply cuz it doesnt work.
minasz 1 hour ago
hey.. c'mon man.. silat is much more powerful than wing chun. its a fact!
hensemjambu 5 hours ago
@hensemjambu There is no stronger style , only the better person in the style.
ismailtabla 11 minutes ago
shitty wing chun on the dude's part, the guy should learn some wrestling. wing chun's fking awesome but it's nothing if you don't understand what the other man can do, i.e. grabbing his leg and lifting it so high to drop the opponent, nearly set him up for a perfect triangle choke. Not saying wing chun is lesser, however for any kung fu practicioner it's best to learn just more than one style for the sake of flexibility, and avoiding such circumstances.
Cruzifixer 8 hours ago
@Cruzifixer still though... wing chun is definitely my fav.
Cruzifixer 8 hours ago
fight starts 1:57
TheKanetube 17 hours ago
Wing chun guy punch like a pussy hahahahaha
ahmadworkshop 1 day ago
This is martial arts? They look like a pair of fucking highschool kids on the playground.
ACiDRiFT 1 day ago
It would be funny if IP man in his prime comes into the fight and whoop them.
bruceliem 1 day ago
They are in both great shape but they seem to lack discipline and any kind of noticeable technique whatsoever. The guy stopping to pose all the time didnt help his credibility either.
Ranc0r007 1 day ago
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ಠ益ಠsilat should look more cooler
BoBBaB0oN 1 day ago
a good way to tell if a fight video is gonna suck: Disturbed is being played in the background
Nolan5k 2 days ago
Yip man would be sad that the style was used in such a way
blastinthenine 2 days ago
The creator would be devastated.
Afflictionzv1 2 days ago
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manbsru 2 days ago
1:53 the battle of two vaginas begins.
b0ondockz 2 days ago
BJJ owns !
MechPhantom 3 days ago
I'm really tired of seeing everything compared to BJJ/UFC as soon as there is a martial art video.
BJJ is not the ultimate martial art neither is anyone of these.
TheCreepyChuwnLi 3 days ago
lol so shit. to be fair it's pretty fucking hard to escape those type of chokes with headgear on
prebirth91 3 days ago
Looks like Muay Thai... @___@
PyroMyPSC 3 days ago
Media: The only reason why all these people think BJJ is the be-all, end-all. These arts have roots hundreds if not thousands of years old as opposed to BJJ's decades. So saying these fighters are BJJ-influenced is bass ackwards. BJJ, much like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do, is an amalgamation of older styles, combined into something unto itself. You wanna say the monks of Shaolin watch too many Bruce Lee movies?
808Shoyu 3 days ago
lol wtf O_o
IndoJaps 3 days ago
If he is holding hands kind of like Wing Chun, it doesn't mean that it's wing chun... such a disgrace...
LukasBulevicius 3 days ago
First thing I saw was the crap vs crapier comment and was prepared to defend but truth be told he's right - that has nothing to do with proper Wing Chun and the Silat guy is oddly reluctant to actually use Silat aside from show-and-tell time in the beginning. I practice Wing Chun and have absolute respect for Silat but truth is this is horrible.
vintorez0 3 days ago
blood claart! where's the "REAL" wing chun? two minute sesion on a wooden dummy and a crap display of chain punching with the conviction of a small child contemplating stealing a bannana from a silverback gorila, is very poor indeed! i want money to pay towards my electricity bill having wasted the energy watching this drivel. Truley PATHETIC.
glennbuchanan29 3 days ago
I am sorry but these guys are horrible
ksungjin10 3 days ago
A few poses and then bang bang bang bang street fighting shit hahaha
FastAkira 3 days ago
@FastAkira Really? Shoryuken!
peposo7 3 days ago
silat is cambodgian i think but Viva wing chun and Bruce Lee!!!!!!!!!!I love Gong Fu
LeNadeau1 3 days ago
Silat VS Wing Chun yes but BJJ won the fight
onetao8 4 days ago 11
@onetao8
No Silat won. Silat has a complete ground system, that includes much of the same moves as BJJ
ehisey 3 days ago
@ehisey True, neither guy was real good though
ehisey 3 days ago
@ehisey Yes I know Silat has similar chokes so does Russian Sambo and English Catch Wrestling but when i watch this video i can see BJJ influences in the way they roll. Im sure these guys watch MMA and were influenced by the grappling used in it (mainly BJJ and wrestling). Thier is nothing new under the sun but BJJ has a certain style to it which you can see.
onetao8 3 days ago
@onetao8 stop trying to take our credit and give it to the westerner bjj 90% ground technique came from judo and silat use groundmoves too...and both definitely existed before bjj...
asian714cali 3 days ago
@asian714cali Your credit? You didn't invent shit. Just because you are Asian doesn't mean you get credit. Thats like me saying give me credit for electricity because i am a white man. Look what the japanese have done with electronics (a white mans invention). All japanese and most asian martial arts have their origins in India then they moved to China then Okinawa and then Japan. I don't need a history lesson i know my shit. If you think these guys have done NO BJJ you are wrong.
onetao8 3 days ago
@onetao8as for bjj silat have existing grappling arts befoe bjj lol why do you bjj/ufc fan try to always make it look like all grappling came from bjj when most of bjj newaza came from judo
asian714cali 2 days ago
@asian714cali I don't! If you read my other comment you would see. Grappling exists all roound the world. People have been doing it for thousands of years.
PS. Your English is terrible.
onetao8 2 days ago
@onetao8 i know my english is terrible do you assume all asian american are born in america or know how to speak fluently and even if not maybe they just want to talk this way it not just me stat shows even in india they speak more english then america but with you know accent..and of course grappling existed everywhere you dont think i know that im talking about bjj
asian714cali 1 day ago
@asian714cali I grew up in asia. I have no problems with asians or their accents. I am not trying to put you down i just can't understand some of what you write.
onetao8 1 day ago
@onetao8 also greek wrestling,mongolain wrestling,shuai jiao etc..all use grappling before bjj it just that bjj use judo a more modern MA then the ancient one
asian714cali 2 days ago
@onetao8
There has been joint locks and chokes LOOOOOOOOOOOng before BJJ was a style.
RevDogo 3 days ago
@RevDogo Yes i know. They have been around for thousands of years. These guys have done some BJJ guaranteed!!
onetao8 3 days ago
@onetao8 I think you're confusing actual "jujutsu" with its very shitty Brazilian knock-off art. Not only did Japanese Jujutsu do everything before "Brazil" did, but so did Silat. The Gracie family didn't invent anything new.
hytseraph 3 days ago 13
@hytseraph Very shitty art? Have you ever tried it? Or do u just hate on it because it has a big name? I have grappled against Jujutsu and Judo practitioners and dominated them using that "very shitty Brazilian knock-off art". The Gracie family did invent many concepts and techniques and they continue to do so. Go to a jujutsu class and a BJJ class. Then tell me they are the same. I did jujutsu for a while and didn't learn much, they dont really spar and do mainly scenario drills!
onetao8 3 days ago
@onetao8 I have no experience in either. I live in a small town, and it doesn't offer much. I have trained in tkd and boxing, and I can tell you that schools inside a style vary in teaching practices. Do you think it is possible that your jujutsu class was focused on scenario self defense, or that jujutsu classes as a whole focus on scenarios?
imreadydoctor 3 days ago
@imreadydoctor From what i have seen in videos, magazines and first hand they do seem to concentrate on scenario drills.
onetao8 2 days ago
@hytseraph you speak the truth brother
asian714cali 2 days ago
@hytseraph Very true. They just took something that already exsited and made it popular in Brazil.
fizzybrasil 14 hours ago
@hytseraph You're fucking retarded, the Gracie Family and many new fighters have invented and added so much to Brazilian Jujitsu, it's not a cheap knock off art, you fagot, have some respect, it's definitely modified and the principles are way different. They took good knowledge of Japanese holds, and added more to it.
myloveforMMA 13 hours ago
@onetao8 thats just what i tought!
and the wing chung guy is like totally ignoring his kicks!!
qwaswesd 2 days ago
@onetao8 you mean a headlock? all martial arts incorporate grappling. stop watching UFC and take some classes.
I can tell you one thing for certain. No wing chun took place in this fight.
Nolan5k 2 days ago
@Nolan5k Thanks for the tip. Its not a headlock. A headlock is the other way round this is a Guillotine.Not all martial arts incorporate grappling. Wing Chun did take place the guy did chain punches at the beginninig of the fight. That is Wing Chun. I have trained in Wing Chun, muay thai and BJJ for many years so i am already taking classes. Thanks
onetao8 2 days ago
@onetao8 i take it you are white-wash when i meant our i meant asian in general i didnt mean me obviosuly i didnt invented shit and second you are wrong again...what with people trying to give credit to the inidan..it was a myth all asian martial arts came from india there are many that werent ..and beside what you are talking about is proabaly shaoliquan which only had some influece from bodbhirma but the were from monk and the oldest martial arts recorded would be shuai jiao
asian714cali 2 days ago
@asian714cali I can't even understand your comments because your English is so shit.
onetao8 2 days ago
efing retards
OngLai888 4 days ago
I Love My Country,,, INDONESIA!!! (^^,)
TheHans2135 4 days ago
Loved this fight! xD
lions4life2 4 days ago
This is Shit chun, not even "Wing"
SuperCrazysol 4 days ago
@SuperCrazysol lmao
jimbob202019 4 days ago
silat vs wing chun? They only were able to do any fighting with jiu jitsu moves! Without jiu jitsu training this would have been the funniest most stupid shit I'd ever seen (still was)! Looked like two girls trying to hit each other, though girls look much cooler doing it!
carlosamigosAUS 4 days ago
@carlosamigosAUS Meh.. After having watched UFC and MMA fights I don't expect much excitement from watching tournaments anymore. What you need in a fight is passion and fury, unfortunately that's not how these things work.
Warunho 3 days ago
@carlosamigosAUS and 90% of jiu jitsu groundmove came from judo so basicly bjj is judo ground move and as for silat..they include ground fighting in their system just not alot of it
asian714cali 3 days ago
Pencak silat but not pancal silet because pancal silet = kick ass loll ...
vinegahans 4 days ago
@vinegahans silet means razor :|
dezinfectant 3 days ago
indonesia not indonisi...
BangJeks 4 days ago
fuckers they ruined 2 of my favorite martial arts
hammouminator 4 days ago
@hammouminator you got that right they kill it
elcricri21 4 days ago
@hammouminator what a shame
hammouminator 4 days ago
good spirit!
jhon7416 4 days ago
wheres the win chun? :/
treicy80 4 days ago
a ten year old scottish child could iron them both out at the same time ..
spartandog1000 4 days ago
that is very interesting...
1kofe1n 4 days ago
ERROR "first DAN not found"
Chestor2 4 days ago
2 kids having fun on stage...
nobodies13 5 days ago
this is like the gay version of ufc
beamprimary 5 days ago
crap vs crapier
greyoldfellow 5 days ago 26
@greyoldfellow and either on would whoop your bitch ass.
daddyeyze 4 days ago
@daddyeyze Yeah, if both attack toguether sure. Otherwise, my bitch ass is pretty safe.
greyoldfellow 4 days ago
@greyoldfellow First of all, that's not Wing Tsun, cuz here, you have rules...In Wing Tsun you don't have rules..."crapier" tell it to the German Special Forces...
kpenchev 3 days ago
@greyoldfellow see my vids&learn ehrbs as reishi,kelp,kale,pine,maca etC
AntiVaccine2 3 days ago
gay
trufiend138 5 days ago
where is wing chun?
sarutobi95 5 days ago
ridicolus... just the guard position ..the rest is caos art
SOJIOBO 6 days ago
That was pretty bad.
Micahel213 6 days ago
noob wing chun guy =.=
natasya0 6 days ago
lol the wing chun guys resorted to baseball pitching style
durrrr13 6 days ago
he's not very good at wing chun :S
Sazendora1337 6 days ago
That Wing-Chun fighters don't know use wing-chun... No wonder he loses... He don't even know the basics moves...
1996kenpachi 6 days ago
Maybe the fight can cause dead...
LunaticControl 1 week ago
Why wear headgear, are they that pussified?
combatives 1 week ago
In these combative sports, are you allowed to poke, like push your finger through a pressure point, or something of that nature?
thevillageyid 1 week ago
No poking the orofaces or eyes. No strikes to the throat, groin or eyes. No small joint manipulation like the fingers. No headbuts. No biting. A lot of things are not allowed.
Anandfulness 1 week ago
@Anandfulness So can you finger jab a pressure point that's not an orifice? Or press on a pressure point?
thevillageyid 1 week ago
@thevillageyid Sure. Though that's less effective than punches or kicks. If pokes to the eyes, groin or throat were allowed though... Things would certainly be different I would think.
Anandfulness 4 days ago
Igual que otros, parece pelea callejera, en fin.....
fewac 1 week ago
he could of finished that guillotine choke really fast ! but he done one big mistake and that is he didn't cross his leg and that caused him not to have much power coming from the hips.
iMrOwNz 1 week ago
I love that the fight ended with a guillotine from full guard.
xample 1 week ago
This looks like a fight between school children.
MarkoWorko 1 week ago
However, please bear in mind, regardless of whether or not the system utilitizes this, or the individual.. this is a combat system, just as Wing Chun is a combat system.. Both have been proven quite effective.. putting both in a sport, isn't really making use of the tools that each system offers. It becomes an MMA competition.. while that's great for sparring and gives you a feel for combat speed.. it doesn't mean you would NOT use the more aggressive aspects on the street. :-D
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
Just to clarify on the idea of the dancing a little bit.. :-D In a lot of traditional forms of Silat from Malay, Indonesia and Filipino regions.. they do what they call "posturing".. the purpose of this, is to close off most targets of the body and leave one seemingly undefended, to invite attack to that region.. when in fact it's actually very well defended. It's a concept regarding deception. Some Silat players have stripped that away and some styles don't even teach it.
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
se esse rapaz luta wing chun eu sou o bill gates, péssimo representante da arte , perde assim e não conseguir fazer uma reversão de chave simples e depois deixar o adversário fazer uma montada dessas ...por favor
kellyredblu 1 week ago
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DCNCIDER 1 week ago
@bigbskull Additionally, I've taken an interest in Wing Chun myself and recently discovered that it's third form is very much like the close range concepts of Silat. :-D Surprise! Lol
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
@bigbskull Have you ever trained in silat? One of the 1,800 styles that is? Lol... What you call dancing is posturing. Not everyone uses it, but in any event Silat has proven itself in combat. ;-)
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
@ItsKwamzilla I agree, very well put.
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
man who used wing chun in that ring is stupid man, how can he be defeated by dancer man like that? loser
bigbskull 1 week ago
@bigbskull theres a lot of science behind silat than you think.. just like the ufc... its like a python, silent and deadly... u cant see them being strangled the life out of them.. theres a lot of muscle control than wing chun just uses hands... and fighting is just not about hands.. the dance is just to provoke, but the submission is the one that wins the day... if u watch flash point, even donnie yen approves it.. that is real fighting..
knight2battle 1 week ago
@bigbskull When a dancer can beat a so-called fighter, you really should ask what the dancer has got that the fighter doesn't.
truebluekit 1 week ago
weak
ameldeblac 1 week ago
Chicken Fight
ronald4yy 1 week ago
lamest "Wing Chung" I've ever seen
aidd001 1 week ago
Wow...a Thai using 'silat'? Must be a khaek
ge5undhe17 1 week ago
@ennot That was my reasoning for saying that if you lose in a rule based system, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't have street or combative skills, it just means that you fought in a sport that you didn't train to apply your skill in. If I want to utilize silat in sport, I have to extract from it the things that work in the cage and use that. Obviously I can't bring a knife or stick, so that training is useless in the cage. Though on the street, it's a survival skill.
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago 11
@SilatPlayer81 far from useless in a cage. It's far too deadly for a cage.
daddyeyze 4 days ago
@daddyeyze If the rules don't allow it, then it's absolutely 100% useless in the cage, just as it would be totally useless in Boxing, or Kickboxing or Wrestling... Note, the training itself is not at all useless, and on the street, sure it's deadly. But there's no application for what I know about knives or sticks, if I fight MMA. The first time I whip out a pocket knife and destroy a flexor tendon and filet a rib cage, I'm going to prison. LOL
SilatPlayer81 4 days ago
@SilatPlayer81 True... True...
ihikhikhik 4 days ago
@ ennot I agree that MMA is the closest training tool we have in unarmed combatives and I think any system for self defense should include full contact practice against a resisting opponent. But I also think it's important to include other elements. Mix up with multiple opponents, get the rubber training knives out and move at speed.. Experiment and extract what works and what will get you killed. But all of it should be tested with speed and enthusiasm.
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
@SilatPlayer81 I agree 100% that one needs full contact practice against a resisting opponent plus everything else one can get, like multiple opponents and rubber knifes.
The problem I see with many systems that claim to be "real" is that they completely forgo the full contact/resisting opponent part. Similarly most sport-oriented schools forgo the multiple attacker/rubber knife part.
But at least most sport schools don't make unreasonable claims of superiority :)
ennot 1 week ago
Honestly, I just think both of these guys should train MMA, if they plan to fight MMA. The Silat player might be very good with Silat, the same is true for the Wing Chun practicioner.. but both have been taken completely out of their element. Note a universal foul in MMA style fighting.. "Attacking an opponent with intent to cause serious harm or injury"... this isn't true in a survival situation, where either art might be a lot more applicable. These guys need wrestling, boxing, etc..
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
0:13 that guys right hand is much bigger then the left.
jeffrokc 1 week ago
That is one of the sloppiest wing chun practitioners ever. Making a terrible name for the martial art.
hoshinocrimsonwings 1 week ago
The second walkin song, at 1:15
Tarclasp 1 week ago
@Tarclasp Nope sorry. No idea what it is. Don't listen to many Asian songs, and usually nothing outside of japan if i do.
MichaelNTL 1 week ago
Lame.
MrJabloney 1 week ago
this is sucks, my street fight in school is better than this, it's like they never experience fight before, only trained with dummies that don't fight back, stupid, lol... true fighter never fight like this... this 'no fighter' people but learn to fights really makes art of fighting lame... if this is the 'black belt' people in their school that is think is i cannot match, I think I might bully them... :)
ZuleoAmen 1 week ago
no arts when fighting like this...boring..just like cat n dog
hiroumisya 1 week ago
are these guys serious? those stances look hilariously impractical lol
warwize 1 week ago
@warwize, Well I can't speak for the Wing Chun guy.. but the Silat player is doing a type of posturing to "Welcome" the attack.. leaving targets exposed, inviting an attack, while being prepared to protect the opening.. it's a concept regarding deception. That being explained, and as a Silat player myself.. yes, I think it's kind of impractical. I've never found a perfect martial art, though I have found several, like Silat, that had useful concepts, if they're treated realistically.
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
None wing chun or silat. This is cowboy fight.
renedescartes1989 1 week ago
Where the fuck have you seen wing chu in this fight ? This messiness is just a pure insult to this art.
Plexusonfire 1 week ago
The dude doing Wing Chun looks utterly retarded. It really seems he has no training and is just flailing his fists around like a 'tard. If this is what Wing Chun looks like in a real fight, then I see no real future for it.
Andhaira 2 weeks ago
@Andhaira Actually, there is a point to the "flailing" as you put it. I think the slapping is funnier. Anyways, it more to do with confusing the enemy, as it does. Another plausible interpretation could be that hes just keeping his body moving in a way that's comfortable to him, yet keeping his guard up, and awareness up, and not just jumping on the spot. Just remember that its an art, and not just a fight. In other words; a way to express yourself, and for self-improvement.
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
the one that used wing chun,, an Ip man fan???
logerbad19 2 weeks ago
If you are in a fight with a person that uses another style, WC will not work, you can't have the original WC stand and use the original WC fists and kicks. thats why bruce lee took the best from everything in to his style. i am a WC fan and understand that, WC inspired fights are the best fights, if a person can master wing chun tequiniqes and combine it with another style it will become powerful!! I have never seen it before! therefore impossible!
Sp4rk1ng 2 weeks ago
Thank you for uploading, I enjoyed watching this very much.
gregorstuhlbein 2 weeks ago
zzz tat 2 amature
zkyfengix 2 weeks ago
silat win!!!
dazzmine 2 weeks ago
Can someone tell me the name of the second song? It's great
Tarclasp 2 weeks ago
MMA shit
pquic 2 weeks ago
wingchun is the best oh silat is the best which one is the best the secret is ........
idate629 2 weeks ago
@idate629, Actually I think it all depends on the fighter and the training. No matter how deadly an art is said to be, if practicioners don't train realistically, against realistic attacks, it's worthless.. that applies to any martial art, anywhere. In any event, I don't think MMA will ever be able to measure the street/combat effectiveness of any style.. if you tried, you'd be disqualified for fighting dirty. :-D
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
Keluarga Pencak Silat Nusantara ;)
davidnerong7 2 weeks ago
Sportsmanship.
Cephein 2 weeks ago
penshak silat is the best
nrfrance1 2 weeks ago
All i can say is featherweights. How much training do they even have? The first guy slaps the other, kicks. Then the other 'tries' to pick the first guy up and throw him, but fails quite well. Dances on the floor. Kicks. Other one slaps again. Rince, lather, repeat, then one does a side thrust kick variation, the crowd is slightly excited cause he did a different move. They fall over each other. hug for a while to conserve stamina. Struggle to the floor. Dry hump each other. And ive ran out of..
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
@MichaelNTL Probably less training that you, right?
mybestregards 2 weeks ago
@mybestregards There both older than me, and have probably been more devoted to their martial art than me. But, i have practiced karate, taekwondo and capoearia, so i know a few moves. I actually believe that MMA is a good basis of modern MA, as it encouraged me to try other martialarts, and also to try and create my own. Primarily for dualsword techniques but it also has some unarmed techniques. Yet i know to be a master in anything, you have to be determined, and able to achieve
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
@MichaelNTL That's great an all, but I just didn't see how them being featherweights had anything to do with anything?
mybestregards 2 weeks ago
@mybestregards Just the fact that one was trying to lift the other and making a mess of it 'cause he wasn't strong enough. I often think that you need a bit of weight to be properly rooted to the ground and in turn able to lift someone your or a smaller weight - sometimes it has nothing to do with strength but how rooted tot he ground you are and the techniques you use. Also, i don't know whether slapping is a martial art move, but it didn't seem to be doing much.
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
@MichaelNTL Best size argument I've ever heard. Good points. On the slap, look up "Rutten slaps Shamrock" lol.
Tarclasp 2 weeks ago
@Tarclasp Thank you, and the vids pretty funny. Still, like i said, they probably have more fighting experience, so who am i to judge their techniques?
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
@MichaelNTL You know what song that is? the second one?
Tarclasp 2 weeks ago
@Tarclasp Sorry, could you be a little more specific (time maybe)?
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
@mybestregards I'm not saying that muscle or brute force is needed to win a fight, mostly its about timing and technique. But it can help. Didn't help either of those two being so skinny, i dont think.
MichaelNTL 2 weeks ago
@MichaelNTL, I agree, you have the right idea.. I don't really believe MMA is an expression of any combative arts value, since it's still a rule based system. If you take the referee, protective gear and rules out of the equation and tell each fighter it's to the death, you'd have a very different fight.. . Combat is combat, sport is sport.. they can't be put in the same category. You make an excellent point though, when you talk about studying many styles and extracting from each.
SilatPlayer81 1 week ago
In a match between Silat and Wing Chun, Jui Jitsu wins...
gsimon123 2 weeks ago
both from thailand. ones doing pencak silat,the other one wing chun.
shadd255 2 weeks ago
the only thing i saw that was wing chun was the guys fighting stance. after that it wasn't anything one could call a 'martial art' of any kind.
honestkaos 2 weeks ago
what martial art is the other guy doing?
MrDisease8 2 weeks ago
The guy who lost is doing wing chun from China, and the other guy is doing Silat from I think... Malaysia.
ChamorruWarrior 2 weeks ago
@ChamorruWarrior dude.......both fighters are from thailand...and to prove it look at 0:08...above their picture is the flag of their country...and the flag is the same for both...and yes...*ba dum tss* that's the flag of thailand
MrPranksteer 2 weeks ago
No... I mean the fighting styles they are using is Wing Chun which is from China, and Silat which is from Malaysia, I'm not talking about where the people are from.
ChamorruWarrior 2 weeks ago
@ChamorruWarrior OOOOOH.. okay sorry for misunderstanding
MrPranksteer 2 weeks ago
@ChamorruWarrior silat is from Indonesia dude ..
edhoalone 2 weeks ago
@edhoalone 4:17 = Melayu. silat is not only from Indonesia dude :P
MalaiischeIntelligez 2 weeks ago
I'm pretty sure "Silat" is one of those things that was around before the lines on a map were really drawn. Human beings in the South East Asian area Indonesia and Malaysia, those people made it up. Not the Indonesian people or Malaysian, human beings of that area made it probably together and or fighting eachother. Just like "MuayThai" Who made"MuayThai"?Is it MuayThai or Pradal Serey? Is the Knee strike from Thailand or Combodia?Or was slamming your knee into someone made up before countries?
ChamorruWarrior 2 weeks ago
it would be weng chun if his "chainfists" were faster and when he would counter the silat fighters attacks . well he just didnt, at least he had more or less the position of weng chun
keimiekeinzar 2 weeks ago
amateur night at the Apollo lol
yumjesusjuice 2 weeks ago
:)
bimbimblora 2 weeks ago
rofl, the commentator made this video entertaining.
RRtoiPPiotRR 2 weeks ago
so in real fight, ppl fight like bitch slapping
BowlofIndoMee 2 weeks ago
Silat is designed to kill