How DARE these liars. 2.5 million genocidally killed in SUDAN BEFORE 2001... during the Clinton years.... Now they rename it the "Darfur Genocide" and only count back to 2001... only count the deaths in ONE province of Sudan! Where were they when American Christians were crying for some interest in the SUDAN Genocide?
You will go down in history as the empire that DENIED the GENOCIDE of the FIRST CHRISTIAN NATION of the WORLD, The Armenians, while you conspired with the JEWISH BANKERS to defraud the world -- the same JEWS who had JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED. Americans, you torture and kill in the name of democracy and freedom. YOU are an ABOMINATION.
they act like iraqs people and potential genocide is a "quagmire" or what ever crap they wana say about us in the war ,,but oh...oh lets send troops to darfur --lets impose sanctions on darfur,, lets use leverage on china to hit darfur with sanctions and make it buy its oil somewhere else. Sounds like the same stuff we are doing in the mid east and the liberals are all cryin about that-but sence there mostly Hypocrites anyways i understand they can see a difference where there isnt one
he's got more foreign policy experience than any of them. He's the only candidate who's actually done things in the international arena. What makes you say he doesn't know what he's talking about?
Oh God , rewind and listen please every thing he said is childish and ridiculous! he is not even sure of his measurements regarding sudan's oil but NO he was there HE KNOWS. For god sake this fella thinks he needs a scientist to know if homosexuality is biological or a choice!
Richardson talks about how he is against military action in Darfur saying that we need basically a forced political solution through a no fly zone and economic sanctions, but then follows that assertion by saying that we don't have the moral authority to do that which in turn reinforced Bidens solution. And the notion that America's credibility is going to be instantly regained by closing a prison camp or withdrawing troops from a country is ludacris: its going to take years to fix.
where the fuck is our president during this debate............................................ ......."kill them off, take their land, and go there for vacation" rage against the machine... fuck umerica and its LIES
Iraq is not Africa but i have never understood the US presence in Iraq. America doenst have friends they have interest. Noway they boycott and they will keep on debating by the time it reaches november 2008 thousands of people will die.
Senator Biden just won this debate in my mind. Our moral authority on this issue will come from doing the morally right thing, which is to lead a force to Darfur that can put a stop to genocide.
Say what you will about Biden, but at least he doesn't buy the usual political bullshit.
Why does Sen. Obama think Darfur has anything to do with Guantanamo Bay and American legitimacy? What does he think the Janjaweed militias were doing before Guantanamo? Were they standing around sharpening their machetes, mumbling to themselves "gee, I sure hope American Legitimacy stops holding us back, so we can go chop some civilians"?
So Senator Clinton thinks reason is somehow incompatible with abstract hypotheticals? Reason is composed of if-then statements, and *always* involves hypotheticals!
they're just making a lot of talk. none of them really know what to do because they have no power and no idea what the outcome would be of this. the fact of the matter is that we've ignored the situation in africa so much that just simply talking about all of these "options" is not going to work because you need to mix ideas; you can't have a black & white solution. this has been going on too long. thanks, bill clinton. idiot.
This is bullshit. There is nothing in Africa for the money grubbing politicts to get their hands on, so they are not going to do a damn thing about it. Lets get real here people. These people only think about themselves and how much money they can make. Thats why the government has their hands in the problems of countries that have big money making goods. This is all bullshit. They go to those camps but do you think they give a shit. No.
OMG "I have to disagree with Senator Dodd. *Smiles* I have to applaud my candidates." FUCKING PRICKS! All of them. All of them are pricks. You cannot care about your country if you don't care about your fellow man.
Darfur the next money spinner??? More guns, more bullets. A shitload of bullets. The warehouses must be filling up with bombs. Not good business to leave them there gathering dust. Ok which city is in need of a total overhaul?
If there is a genocide, as the superpower, that should be first on our agenda. Darfur is the next Rwanda. We must act! As well, the idea of military intervention with NATO, NO. We cannot handle another 76 day bombing. There needs to be action taken against CHINA and RUSSIA, because they are the ones that are dryign out Sudan. They veto vote against every action the UN wants to take. Peacekeepers, sanctions and consequences for China and Russia.
Why the hell are they all against running out of Iraq inspite of the threat of genocide there but they are so eager to throw troops into Darfur? Why should we care more about Africa than our more vital intrests in the middle east or South America? I'm not saying we should do nothing about Africa but I mean, damn democRATs are idiots.
disgusting hypocrisy, where was america in the "third world war" when millions of people died, and now even there while planning on acting out as the caring world police they are haggling about over military intervention, sanctions never hit the ruling regimes, they killed thousands in iraq while america had meet and greets with saddam, its an empty alibi-gesture on the extent of the poorest of the country, its all such a sickening hollow show, just unbearable!
Actually, I think it's refressing to hear someone speaking his own mind instead of pandering. You can actually tell that Biden cares whether people live or die, which is more than I can say for anyone else on that podium.
Here is my question I would like to ask the candidates: If you became president would you put Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Condi on trial for war crimes?
My follow up question: When they are found guilty would you push for the death penalty to be carried out in the state of Texas. Why Texas? Because Texas doesn't mess around with the death penalty. These pieces of shit will be dead in two years.
They are all full of shit.War mongers. Americans do not support anyone that wants to get involved in anything that considers troops or operations. We do not need foreign policy like this. Vote Ron paul.
Why Americans who claim to be Christians are the staunchest ally of the Turks who committed genocide on the first Christian nation of the world, the Armenians? Why are Jews suppressing knowledge of the Armenian genocide in order to curry favor with the Turks who just elected an Islamist government? What does Christ tell George Bush when He speaks to the president? that screwing the first Christian nation of the world is in our national interest perhaps, as the State Department claims it is?
That's what GW claims, to the best of my knowledge, friend. Then maybe I watch FOX NEWS too much. That fair and balanced stuff can go to one's head, y'know?
i think we should intervene in darfur but we def need european and UN support because nobody wants another iraq to happen with the occupation force even though i think tht would be unlikely
HAHAH No fly zone!!!! Darfur is all with small arms, no on there even knows what a military aircraft looks like1 These guys are talking out there ass - this whole society is dammned because politics comes before logic!
Senetor Chriss Dodd how is forfeiting our spots in the Olympic games going to far? Is there something great that we gain from the prestige of winning some athletics competition? Shall play games or shall we save lives?
He may have mentioned this due to the overall influence the US has and as a political stance not to participate. There will be a huge monetary/political fallout if the US does not participate the Olympics in Bejing.
wow what a strong sanction to boycott the olympics... wtf are they debating about? biden is right.. act now or shut up forever.. what kind of excuse is it that you already fought a wrong war in iraq.. pull the troops out and put a few in sudan.. i can't believe this discussion
Oh Hilary...we shouldn't engage in hypotheticals? What are you doing in a debate? The entire thing is based on hypotheticals until you're elected (God forbid that should ever happen!).
Actually, what she said made perfect sense. He was asking her opinion on an extremely open hypothetical. The answer of the president should depend on the SPECIFICS of the situation is all that she was saying.
Yes, though sadly Bill Clinton answered a question about the genocide in Bosnia in similarly non-committal terms and then refused to intervene because their were no "American interests" at stake.
1. Bill Clinton intervened and stopped the genocide in Bosnia. 2. What is non-committal... "American interests"? Do you mean occupation? 3. Bill Clinton is not among the candidates here!
I beleive it was making the point that action without delay sometimes is an appropriate action. He was just refering to history to support what he wanted to do. ~peace out
Demcrotai war mongals shud not talk bout warface
2010MujahidBoxing 1 year ago
This is why I love Joe Biden!
runnerxc17 3 years ago
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advertizment 3 years ago
Since when did the Janjaweed have planes to bomb people.
Dumb Americans, distracting people with Darfur from the faliures of your own country
Omer698 3 years ago
funny, because the American government is raping women and bombing defenseless civilians within their own borders...
yea, we Americans are dumb, but we dont stand for genocide like you apparently do...
and the Janjaweed don't have planes to bomb people with...
hackettbreak 3 years ago
the government of sudan is bombing darfur villages with helicopters...you dumb... FUCK.
theclockstickin 3 years ago
the majority of people who died in darfur my friend has been because of malnutrition, only 10,000 people died directly from the war.
Omer698 3 years ago
How DARE these liars. 2.5 million genocidally killed in SUDAN BEFORE 2001... during the Clinton years.... Now they rename it the "Darfur Genocide" and only count back to 2001... only count the deaths in ONE province of Sudan! Where were they when American Christians were crying for some interest in the SUDAN Genocide?
loggerbuck 4 years ago
AMERICANS,
You will go down in history as the empire that DENIED the GENOCIDE of the FIRST CHRISTIAN NATION of the WORLD, The Armenians, while you conspired with the JEWISH BANKERS to defraud the world -- the same JEWS who had JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED. Americans, you torture and kill in the name of democracy and freedom. YOU are an ABOMINATION.
insidebetween 4 years ago
they act like iraqs people and potential genocide is a "quagmire" or what ever crap they wana say about us in the war ,,but oh...oh lets send troops to darfur --lets impose sanctions on darfur,, lets use leverage on china to hit darfur with sanctions and make it buy its oil somewhere else. Sounds like the same stuff we are doing in the mid east and the liberals are all cryin about that-but sence there mostly Hypocrites anyways i understand they can see a difference where there isnt one
libralssuck 4 years ago
This was a very trickey question, only Obama made it through.
Kdees 4 years ago
what about richardson?
ar223 4 years ago
he doesnt know what he is talking about , trust me.
Kdees 4 years ago
he's got more foreign policy experience than any of them. He's the only candidate who's actually done things in the international arena. What makes you say he doesn't know what he's talking about?
ar223 4 years ago
Oh God , rewind and listen please every thing he said is childish and ridiculous! he is not even sure of his measurements regarding sudan's oil but NO he was there HE KNOWS. For god sake this fella thinks he needs a scientist to know if homosexuality is biological or a choice!
Kdees 4 years ago
Why didn't they let Gravel or Kuchinich talk?
BloggerMusicMan 4 years ago
"Shut down Guantanamo"... he's so not getting elected.
Caboose8817 4 years ago
Richardson talks about how he is against military action in Darfur saying that we need basically a forced political solution through a no fly zone and economic sanctions, but then follows that assertion by saying that we don't have the moral authority to do that which in turn reinforced Bidens solution. And the notion that America's credibility is going to be instantly regained by closing a prison camp or withdrawing troops from a country is ludacris: its going to take years to fix.
odessaboy 4 years ago
where the fuck is our president during this debate............................................ ......."kill them off, take their land, and go there for vacation" rage against the machine... fuck umerica and its LIES
dnHooligan 4 years ago
Iraq is not Africa but i have never understood the US presence in Iraq. America doenst have friends they have interest. Noway they boycott and they will keep on debating by the time it reaches november 2008 thousands of people will die.
jcesar085 4 years ago
Senator Biden just won this debate in my mind. Our moral authority on this issue will come from doing the morally right thing, which is to lead a force to Darfur that can put a stop to genocide.
Say what you will about Biden, but at least he doesn't buy the usual political bullshit.
bookender 4 years ago
Why does Sen. Obama think Darfur has anything to do with Guantanamo Bay and American legitimacy? What does he think the Janjaweed militias were doing before Guantanamo? Were they standing around sharpening their machetes, mumbling to themselves "gee, I sure hope American Legitimacy stops holding us back, so we can go chop some civilians"?
bookender 4 years ago
Very good point!
Bliksem6845 4 years ago
So Senator Clinton thinks reason is somehow incompatible with abstract hypotheticals? Reason is composed of if-then statements, and *always* involves hypotheticals!
bookender 4 years ago
they're just making a lot of talk. none of them really know what to do because they have no power and no idea what the outcome would be of this. the fact of the matter is that we've ignored the situation in africa so much that just simply talking about all of these "options" is not going to work because you need to mix ideas; you can't have a black & white solution. this has been going on too long. thanks, bill clinton. idiot.
Beagle429 4 years ago
This is bullshit. There is nothing in Africa for the money grubbing politicts to get their hands on, so they are not going to do a damn thing about it. Lets get real here people. These people only think about themselves and how much money they can make. Thats why the government has their hands in the problems of countries that have big money making goods. This is all bullshit. They go to those camps but do you think they give a shit. No.
kpasa01 4 years ago
OMG "I have to disagree with Senator Dodd. *Smiles* I have to applaud my candidates." FUCKING PRICKS! All of them. All of them are pricks. You cannot care about your country if you don't care about your fellow man.
jdsilver86 4 years ago
Darfur the next money spinner??? More guns, more bullets. A shitload of bullets. The warehouses must be filling up with bombs. Not good business to leave them there gathering dust. Ok which city is in need of a total overhaul?
SpiritofTerror 4 years ago
If there is a genocide, as the superpower, that should be first on our agenda. Darfur is the next Rwanda. We must act! As well, the idea of military intervention with NATO, NO. We cannot handle another 76 day bombing. There needs to be action taken against CHINA and RUSSIA, because they are the ones that are dryign out Sudan. They veto vote against every action the UN wants to take. Peacekeepers, sanctions and consequences for China and Russia.
weirdo1990 4 years ago
Why the hell are they all against running out of Iraq inspite of the threat of genocide there but they are so eager to throw troops into Darfur? Why should we care more about Africa than our more vital intrests in the middle east or South America? I'm not saying we should do nothing about Africa but I mean, damn democRATs are idiots.
Antiworld23 4 years ago
disgusting hypocrisy, where was america in the "third world war" when millions of people died, and now even there while planning on acting out as the caring world police they are haggling about over military intervention, sanctions never hit the ruling regimes, they killed thousands in iraq while america had meet and greets with saddam, its an empty alibi-gesture on the extent of the poorest of the country, its all such a sickening hollow show, just unbearable!
random0815 4 years ago
america not going to the olympics... ha, china! we will not buy your olympic t-shirts! MWAHAHAHA
livingval 4 years ago
These are a bunch of pussies, not my president. I don't want to be part of a commie country which all these will turn US to.
daromac 4 years ago
i think joe biden needs to think a little bit and plan before he starts talking, please!
borennnn 4 years ago
Actually, I think it's refressing to hear someone speaking his own mind instead of pandering. You can actually tell that Biden cares whether people live or die, which is more than I can say for anyone else on that podium.
bookender 4 years ago
well i already know not to vote for hilary or john im voting for either richardson, kucinich or gravel
panteradime1 4 years ago
Here is my question I would like to ask the candidates: If you became president would you put Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Condi on trial for war crimes?
My follow up question: When they are found guilty would you push for the death penalty to be carried out in the state of Texas. Why Texas? Because Texas doesn't mess around with the death penalty. These pieces of shit will be dead in two years.
ProjectM555 4 years ago
They are all full of shit.War mongers. Americans do not support anyone that wants to get involved in anything that considers troops or operations. We do not need foreign policy like this. Vote Ron paul.
BigFatTonyCal 4 years ago
Why Americans who claim to be Christians are the staunchest ally of the Turks who committed genocide on the first Christian nation of the world, the Armenians? Why are Jews suppressing knowledge of the Armenian genocide in order to curry favor with the Turks who just elected an Islamist government? What does Christ tell George Bush when He speaks to the president? that screwing the first Christian nation of the world is in our national interest perhaps, as the State Department claims it is?
insidebetween 4 years ago
if there is a christ you think he talks to GW of all people
huckleberry1979 4 years ago
That's what GW claims, to the best of my knowledge, friend. Then maybe I watch FOX NEWS too much. That fair and balanced stuff can go to one's head, y'know?
insidebetween 4 years ago
They really ARE stupid! The USA is scary. Go away, ignorant colonialists!
jackoatmontreal 4 years ago
i think we should intervene in darfur but we def need european and UN support because nobody wants another iraq to happen with the occupation force even though i think tht would be unlikely
Ryanger91 4 years ago
HAHAH No fly zone!!!! Darfur is all with small arms, no on there even knows what a military aircraft looks like1 These guys are talking out there ass - this whole society is dammned because politics comes before logic!
jmisiewicz 4 years ago
Senetor Chriss Dodd how is forfeiting our spots in the Olympic games going to far? Is there something great that we gain from the prestige of winning some athletics competition? Shall play games or shall we save lives?
Jonesingforjill 4 years ago
He may have mentioned this due to the overall influence the US has and as a political stance not to participate. There will be a huge monetary/political fallout if the US does not participate the Olympics in Bejing.
rjt011000 4 years ago
Well said. I agree.
vseaton 4 years ago
Borat Osama needs to take a hike up a mountain in Afghanistan and jump off the side head first.
jdub4505 4 years ago
Ron Paul 08!!
SeppLainer 4 years ago
Eveyone knows Ron Paul is a Librarian posing as a Republican. True Conservatives are starting to support Mitt Romney.
baitkenh 4 years ago
deep down inside ron he truly is a democrat cause he voted against the war in iraq, which is proof that he is for democracy instead of republic
panteradime1 4 years ago
That makes NO sense...how old are you...12?
SeppLainer 4 years ago
wow what a strong sanction to boycott the olympics... wtf are they debating about? biden is right.. act now or shut up forever.. what kind of excuse is it that you already fought a wrong war in iraq.. pull the troops out and put a few in sudan.. i can't believe this discussion
elgrecco123 4 years ago
Wake up, Barack. I think this is why he lost some percentage to Hilary.
rainsan 4 years ago
Obama rules...!!!!!!!
MopacMurtaza 4 years ago
How is it not obvious that Biden is the only viable candidate up there?
PLease do not hand this one to the repubs...
foxfingers 4 years ago
I love Richardson
eban1000 4 years ago
bill richardson rocks!
mexicanpaddy 4 years ago
Oh Hilary...we shouldn't engage in hypotheticals? What are you doing in a debate? The entire thing is based on hypotheticals until you're elected (God forbid that should ever happen!).
detinate3210 4 years ago
Actually, what she said made perfect sense. He was asking her opinion on an extremely open hypothetical. The answer of the president should depend on the SPECIFICS of the situation is all that she was saying.
Niosiss 4 years ago
Yes, though sadly Bill Clinton answered a question about the genocide in Bosnia in similarly non-committal terms and then refused to intervene because their were no "American interests" at stake.
LifeNets 4 years ago
Didnt we intervene though?
DMBisAwesome 4 years ago
1. Bill Clinton intervened and stopped the genocide in Bosnia. 2. What is non-committal... "American interests"? Do you mean occupation? 3. Bill Clinton is not among the candidates here!
HeshimaJameni 4 years ago
I beleive it was making the point that action without delay sometimes is an appropriate action. He was just refering to history to support what he wanted to do. ~peace out
mtdewguy 4 years ago
Obama needs to really work on his debating skills.
joharmon86 4 years ago