Paris Peace Conference - 1919

[Lintflas]

Actually this was not a peace conference, but the worst treaty ever made in history and the cause for WW2.

[DaMerman58]

A year later Trajan... No, I think the best way to beat Osama was to kill him, seemed to work pretty well.

[Hippophilee]

It's too easy to blame "Versailles". The main cause for WW2 were:

- The frustrated desire of the German military top brass (Ludendorff and others) to prepare another war and achieve success, this time with Russian backing.

- US isolationism. The world's rising superpower retiring from the scene and not assuming its responsibilities... after having negociated a complex treaty.

It was normal that Germany, which had declared the war and destroyed entire regions, was required to pay.

[Razz000]

god damn we are a shitty race a lot of the time that's the human race people

[bbphnix]

that Lloyd Geroge fellow on the other hand … i like him! he was smart and practical

as for Clemenceau: I would argue he's as responsible for wwii as hitler himself! rat-bastard! you can't take a revenge on an entire mutherfucking country! piece of shit stain on french history!

[bbphnix]

He denied the equality point to the Japanese they left the League of nation and broke all hell on asia and the us;

not saying what the japanese did was right, they were idiots; but wilson's 14 points only offered a new morality as long they didn't jeopardize him politically in his native country! in other words there should have been a 15th point about races if it was a serious attempt at reform; but it wasn't because Wilson was, not a savior, but a politician!

[bbphnix]

Wilson seemed like a nice chap but don't forget we're talking about the USA... the racism in the US in those days was unimaginable;

indirectly, it was that racism that would lead to Japan going head to head with the US; the japanese demanded from Wilson that all races be recognized as equals (they had in mind, japanese being considered equal to european; Wilson took it as africans being equal to white men and that was a no-no for an american; well it was probably a no-no for the europeans too)

[stripes5150]

every single person in this video is dead

[kaykko]

Britain and France should have divided and permanently weakened Germany by undoing Bismarck's work and partitioning Germany into smaller, weaker states so it could never have disrupted the peace of Europe again. By failing to do this and therefore not solving the problem of German power and restoring the equilibrium of Europe, Britain had failed in her main purpose in taking part in the Great War.

[SSwildfire]

this stupid treaty is the reason why millions an millions of people died

[76mrlonely]

Did you use a fucking potato to record this?!

hahah just kidding... :P

[downfallzawesome]

World War I was the war to end war. The Versailles treaty was the peace to end peace.

[SS501Joanne]

i gotta question here and really hope to get an answer towards it.

most of the damage and cause of WW1 is caused by Europe, but why does all countries wanna Germany to sign the treay of Versailles and only wanna make Germany pay?

[jamesshanbrom]

@SS501Joanne  Because they started the war.

[philyB08]

@jamesshanbrom Name the date and reason Germany just decided to start a war?

[moviebakerperson]

no matter how much you make the defeated pay the money won't bring your dead back

[narancs85]

We (the Hungarians) had lost more of 2/3 from our territory.

Where was and where is the justice !?!

[jamesshanbrom]

@narancs85 There wasn't any. Getting justice is like making wine. It is a very slow and difficult process. Even if the winery does everything correctly, the wine still might not come out right. 

[narancs85]

Make Germany pay ? 

[salamanderstorm]

france is like trying to swat a wasp, but missed, and the wasp turned to sting on them later on.. the wasp is Germany ;)

[alexis360100]

in my opinion, david lloyd george should have been listened to because if they treated germany with a punishment that woudlnt have got hitler into power then we would have avoid WW2 and 6 million jews wouldnt have lost there lives. but the punishment laid upon germany was so harsh that germany was desparate for a soloution that they would hire any nutcase to do the job, even though the people selected to do it always failed!!

[knowledgetoact]

search for "Racial Equality Proposal" related this conference

[samathearab]

fuck this treaty is bullshit no wonder it fucked up.

[surpie1940]

Not reported is the fact that Louis Brandeis, Ben Victor Cohen and Felix Frankfurter were Wilson's liasons with Lord Balfour in awarding Palestine to the Zionists for their covert activities to bring America into the war to save the Brits.World Zionist rep. at Versailles, Ben Victor Cohen, showed up at Versailles with maps in hand defining the borders of the super Judenstaat in Palestine. Cohen formulated Lend Lease legislation that provided the weaponry to the Brits and Stalin's armies.

[xtiml]

@surpie1940 .... thank you ,you know your history.

[thecowthatgoesmoo]

serbia!

[paulojeaga]

just as technology is controlled by the west today

how selfish man has been, well prosperity also could make the less developed country ambitious look  at Iran.........

[rikstiflers]

check the dirty bobby at 3.59, hands on approach

[Azhiralbiab]

*cough* Brest-Litovsk *cough*

[AKAKArnott]

You could argue that the Treaty of Versailles was either too hard or not hard enough but it was clearly wrong because it represented the worst of both worlds. It wasn't hard enough to cripple Germany permanently but it was hard enough to foster a lingering resentment with the German public.

Considering the circumstances I think Germany should count itself fortunate that it still remained an unoccupied nation after WW1.

[ss90ss444]

@AKAKArnott

And if allies had even thought about trying to occupy Germany than Ludendorff would have joined forces with the bolsheviks or the white army in Russia. France and Britain had no ability to occupy the entire Germany in 1918. It would have taken too many men to do it plus the public at home would have not been happy.

Lusitania was the only reason why americans help french and brits to win the war anyway.

[AKAKArnott]

@ss90ss444

I agree with your take on the occupation of Germany. I wasn't suggesting it should have happened but rather that it was often the outcome of defeat in war. I would also add that Germany's armies were in the process of being defeated militarily at the time of the armistice but they had certainly not been destroyed or anywhere near it. The German Army would have resisted an occupation of its homeland much more vigorously than it had defended its positions in Belgium.

[Polizeidirektion]

One country alone, got the blame. How pricticable for the victors.

So many countries were fighting (on both sides an tried their luck). As many have enriched themselves ?

For anyone who has normal intellect, its clear that this dictation only could be the nucleus of a new war. For one who has a suppression and humiliation by the surrounding countries, there must grow one tought. The day of revenge.

[TomfromExeter]

@Polizeidirektion

Not exactly a sentiment that the German leaders observed at Brest Litovsk...

[TomfromExeter]

If the terms of the Treaty had actually been enforced by France and Britain, WW2 would never have happened and the dead of WWI would not have ended up dying in vain. Hitler could easily have been stopped when he reneged on reparations in 1933 or reinstated the Luftwaffe in 1935. To allow Herr Hitler to unilaterally renegotiate the Treaty was gross negligence by the politicians and voters of the 30s.

[AKAKArnott]

@TomfromExeter

Well said.

In fact it could be argued that it was the actions of the USA and to a lesser degree Britain, that ultimately resulted in events escalating into a 2nd World War in 1939. Both Italy and Japan were among the allies in WW1 and probably would have been in WW2 had they not been rebuffed and alienated by the selfish actions of the American and British leaders during the period between the wars.

[TomfromExeter]

@AKAKArnott

Thanks. I'm not sure what US policy toward Japan was between the wars (would be interested to hear) but Italy had a fascist government from 1922 and so it was always going to be difficult to prevent an alliance between Mussolini and Hitler. The best that could probably have been achieved was friendly neutrality, such as adopted by Franco in Spain.

[AKAKArnott]

@TomfromExeter

They basically made Britain give up their alliance with Japan in exchange for US participation in global naval limitation talks.

Mussolini was a facist leader but he recognized Hitler for what he was and initially wanted nothing to do with him. It was only when Britain effectively tore up the Treaty of Versaille by unilaterally entering a naval treaty with the Germans that a now isolated Mussolini allied with Germany.

[AustrianAtheist]

My greatgrandfahter (fascist. served at the Austria/Italian front in WWI and the East Front in WWII) always told me, he was not a racist, but wanted revenge for WWI and the reperations.

I don't know if he was telling the truth or not, of course. Just think that the emerge of the Nazis should not only be reduced on racist hate.

[TomfromExeter]

@AustrianAtheist Of course politics was a factor too. Without the communists there would have been no Nazis.

[Trajan1013]

It was handled poorly the revenge idea by the French was stupid and paved the way for WWII. What should have been done was allow Germany to have an industrial complex but have it monitored by at that time was league of nations. Mr George had the right idea. As many times as we want it revenge is never the answer be it personal or nationally, we may want to kill Osama for what he did to NYC but the best way to beat him is to educate the people around him.

[sahaj376]

@Trajan1013 well said!!

[yazzii95]

@Trajan1013 brilliantly put!



[aotearoa20]

@Trajan1013 I agree, Even tho I dont think u can compare the world war one to the twin towers

I agree with what you say It's nice to see someone with comun sence

[206sole]

@Trajan1013 everyones a critic in hindsight, WWI was the most tragic European event up to that date, where thousands of people died daily, so don't say it was handled poorly. The French didn't want Germany to ever be able to wage war again, thats why they stripped them of everything they had. If anything started WWII it was the lack of stopping Hitler when they first violated the Treaty of Versailles. DUMBASS lol

[olvoro11]

@Trajan1013 What you said makes perfect sense, but you have to understand that the French felt that way. And germany did not deserve our respect, look at how they treated russia in the Treaty of Brest- Litovsk

[PiggyBlackWhite]

@Trajan1013 Okay the French weren't stupid, they had a reason to, if THE WHOLE country was damaged by another country and also your economy is bad of course you want another country to take the blame. Never call politicians or countries stupid, its a VERY difficult job, hard to keep promises and do what we called 'just'. Also I agree with you in someways, if it wasn't for education, I might be thinking that Germany is 100% to blame.

[ikuehne]

@Trajan1013 we did kill Osama

[bbphnix]

@Trajan1013 the better idea was not to have a fucking war in the first place…. colonial rivalry, each country wanted to expand their colonies and when the whole world was in their possession, they could only get other colonies at the expense of other european powers! and to their expenses they pushed it! they should never have started a colonial empire and guarded them with such ferocity; instead they should have shared the common european resources; this is why i am a fan of the EU

[annynameatall]

its who was behind the so called important men at the table should be looked at.

the are your authors of so called history.

[Antiquark1]

always the winner makes history

[TheOBomb]

@Antiquark1 the saying is: history is written by the victor

[Rekondite]

@Antiquark1 until the loser Germany made history in 1939.

[heatblade]

@Antiquark1 This film, as most popular accounts for the past 90 years, depicting the Treaty negatively, more than anything proves that in this particular case history was written by the vanquished -- who wanted to defame and topple the treaty. If history was written by the winners, why would almost everybody, then and now, including the former victors of WW1, judge it was vindictive?

[philyB08]

@heatblade Because it was too clear to be covered up? So you think it was just then? hmm let me guess what country you're from....

[Helsinkisillest]

@Antiquark1 How cliché

[2VernalEquinox5]

Brilliant Video

[patakimate]

FUCK antant

[biggerrerint]

entente

[hasoun]

The war was no ones fault but it was the mistake of the old way of doing things that the strongest rule the week and get to do what they want. because the European powers where dividing the world among them they became to strong to exist in peace and by allying themselves up they made fear and hostilities grow at the end their pride got the best of all of them. France wanted revenge for 1871. Russia wanted all Slavs to be respected, Serbia wanted all serbes to be under serbia's flag.

[scarynight63]

lol what happened in 1945?

[laurensadriaanse]

the french got  what they deserved in 1940

[watehfreak]

@laurensadriaanse Joke made by my friend: France-surrendering to everyone since 50 BC!

[burtoncaly]

@watehfreak You friend is really ignorant, France ruled Europe between 1792 unitl 1815, we fought only against many coalitions Prussian, Brits, Austria, Sweden...

France had the 2de largest colonial Empire, and every Historian can tell you that France did the most effort in the WW1. France military ruled Europe during the reign of Louis XIV and Napoleon.

we won the 100 years war against England, in XIX century France did an important expansion of his territory since we won against Italy....

[watehfreak]

@burtoncaly Don't take offense, he was only commenting on the stereotype. He also knew of France's victories.

Again, I apologise if you were offended.

[hudddersfield]

get a life

[Subaangen]

It was the weakpoints of "the league nation", that resulted to second world war.

[coralsea725]

Not only that, the terms of the peace treaties signed after the first world war were harsh, angering the Germans, which in turn helped lead to the second world war.

[GodoyGarcia]

Trabalho de Negociação INterncaional - Apresentação IESB

[EdwardRommel]

I think the Versailles treaty was very fair in most cases. The difficulty was in drawing a border between Poland and Germany because Bismark had a policy of moving Germans into Polish estates...so by 1919...the populations were intermingled. The VT basically gave areas that were atleast 50/50 polish to poland...like W. Prussia and Posen.

Germans had ruled Slavs for hundreds of years in Bohemia, Moravia, Poland, Galicia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia...

[AZsaturn]

But in Poznań were colonials.

[istorija4ever]

Germans had never ruled in Serbia and Bosnia!!

[EdwardRommel]

I was referring to the other Germanic empire...Austria-Hungary..

Austria-Hungary was ruled primarily by German Austrians and Magyar Hungarians.

Hence German Austrians did in fact rule Bosnia-Hercegovina....I never said they ruled Serbia though they tried to dismantle and destroy serbia.

[EdwardRommel]

You are aware of the illegal annexation of Bosnia Hercegovina by Austria-Hungary in 1908...so yes your Bosnia was ruled by German Austrians for 10 years...1908 to 1918.

[istorija4ever]

Yes that is correct, I see that you know alot of Balkan history, from which country are you "Desert Fox " :))))

[EdwardRommel]

My apologies to you...I dd in error write that Germans had ruled Serbia...

you are correct Germans never ruled Serbia...but they did rule Bosnia-hercegovina for 10 years.

[randypan71]

They did occupy Serbia with Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria from 1915. Yeah you're right, it was never part of their empire

[AZsaturn]

I forgive to You. The offence is me very much a difficult task. Few it equalled to this challenge.

[AZsaturn]

It is the serious trace too Danish roots of the city. Polish substantive "Gdańsk" could be an effect of the confusion of the Danish substantive "Dansk" and the Kashubian substantive "Gduńsk". Saint Adalbert of Prague used words "Gyddanyzc". Into Old-Slavic speech letters "Gd" I marked marshy grounds. So, the etymology is insecure, but complicated. Showing that the multinational city. Which was a castletown of Pomeranian princes.

[AZsaturn]

The curiosity. We always spoke that Gdańsk had a minimum of 1012 years. Because the earliest written mention originates from the year 997. And You made look younger the city by half. Perhaps Gdańsk was built by Danes? His name reminds "Dansk", the substantive denominative Danish language in Danish language. The interesting chance? The all centre of Gdańsk is de facto a retort. Original buildings are only in the district Oliwa and a few in Wrzeszcz. There Red Army did not relax .

[AZsaturn]

Hahahaha. You right. The central authority let go to the hell. No countries. Only states-cities. Forgive, but this is not fine. Every city is a part of the definite homeland. I do not agree this fad of the Entente. The inhabitant of the definite city is only vassal. I never was in Lublin. But perhaps I would have the right to grow angry, if it announced the secession? Vassals. The small fragments. The state.

[AZsaturn]

The most of houses in these cities surely built Germans. Some, very sporadically built Czeches, Kashubians, Old Prusians, Lithuanians and Poles. In Gdańsk lived even Portugueses. Because was on the very important trade route. But who was a true ruler of Gdańsk? The mayor? The town council? King? Who was a king of the Gdańsk ground? How long? The Kingdom of Prussia barefacedly took to himself Gdańsk. Quite not long ago. From your words it results that Paris is of German.

[AZsaturn]

I also sometimes think that England is still a Roman province. I joked. Because lawyers invented the substantive "Desuetude". When you ask after the logic, my heart speaks that grounds of U.S.A. are owing to Indians.

[rzecze1]

He, he :) Stop crying about it! Germans started 2 wars and lost both of them. In each losing more and more land. I think they had their lesson. But if I'm mistaken and they will try to mess sth up again, we'll be erasing inscriptions on houses, monuments, fassades etc. in Berlin... sorry... in West Posen! :)

P.S. You cannot change history, but you can change future!

[norkantalkodam]

Germany became some of the real rulers like the british empires too mighty. Wilhelm II was an stupid bastard and it was easy to bring him and the germans into war and easily switched off. The 2nd WW was a logical consequence of the Versailles treaty, which was set to make the germans bankrupt for the next 70 years. That could not fly, so it was engineered, that it get into war again. The british plan worked fine, as they had switched the germans off for about 100 years really.

[slabart12]

'Westprussia has been conquered by Teutonic order in 13th century.'

Exactly. It was conquered. It was not German. And it was annexed again in 1772 by Prussia.

[slabart12]

'Silesia, Prussia, Pomerania and Danzig had been German for 700 years. Your Family, AZSaturn, hase lived in Danzig only 60 years. '

And before that the Poles lived there for 600 years. So what are you trying to prove?

[lulylollipop]

thank you for the person who mad this, you saved me on a big test

thanks!

[AZsaturn]

Badly one lives in western lands? Perhaps we will exchange? My family lives in Gdańsk from about 200 years. Germans on Polish grounds are the result of the policy of encouraging and bringings of colonials and the legal discrimination of Polish autochthons. The historical justice.

[hilletehnoob]

hahahaha you are the most ridiculous man i ever seen, ok u can be a polish nationalist but how do u explain the ww2 territories scammed from germany were 100% of people living here were germans??? ridiculous!!! thAt is what u are.poland is a joke of state

[AZsaturn]

@hilletehnoob

A jus naturalis is the right to the vengeance. Gdańsk was a war booty of the Kingdom of Prussia. All that they had Prussia, took by force.

[AZsaturn]

Even though on Pomerania of 100% inhabitants it was Eskimos, he would stay Polish, because we did not sell and we did not present. It was a German war booty. Never peacefully. In no country Germans can't be a minority? Every plot is whereon Germans, must automatically be a part of the German state? With is manner the all the world can be Germany. Other nations also want to have a little the Earth. All have Germans a claustrophobia? Germany is large state.

[AZsaturn]

Our stupid kings tolerated them, instead of completely to put to destroy crayfish as Duchy of Prussia. In Gdańsk lived even Portugueses, because it was trading centre. You despise with rights other. You attends that people living in the concrete region have a sole right to the decision about the national status. Other inhabitants of this state must themselves come escape.

[AZsaturn]

What did I say on Monday? That Silesia was not in Polish arms in XVIII age. In XX age we wanted to recover all that we wasted in XVIII age. We recovered little. Germans still possessed Warmia, a couple pieces of Greater Poland and Gdańsk Pomerania. Pomeranian voivodship in XX age it was smaller than in XVIII. Had the amusingly short sea-coast. Pomerania founded the Slav tribe of Pomeranians who coformed Poland. We lived here from always. Afterwards Teutonic Knights

came and stole.

[AZsaturn]

Westprussia? This ground is called Gdańsk Pomerania. It was found in arms of owners. Somewhat less than. Pomeranian voivodship it was smaller than it is in XVIII age. Still you had about 30% stolen then grounds.

[QuickSixx]

In other words thank you France for WW2 especially for Cleamanceau. What an asshole!

[djaked]

Good stuff