Negreanu Vs Matusow $500k ROUND 2! Negreanu Goes Bust..Again

[SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

You gotta feel for Negreanu, especially against Mike with their running battles. 

[MrMko09ijn]

:) i hate negreanu

[Lukasguitar1]

Matusow is an asshole the total opposite of Negreanu

[MrJflachapelle]

why did he offer to run it twice before seeing his cards...

[DarkTenka]

@MrJflachapelle These generally always run it twice for big pots all in.

[TheGrannyWhore]

oh yeah Matusow do it again suck out and be arrogant... i would lickout your asshole

[ham236]

why ruin it in the title?

[kkdjen]

i hate matusow

[EPKIYIOOPP]

μεγαλο στακ

[fishontilt64]

doyle: you wanna sell some of it?

*2d* forget it

[SirHC888]

Wow what a crushing blow especially when Mike, said "you felt it (felted= unintended pun, ouch) and you was right".

[TheGrannyWhore]

oh yeah mike do that to me also and clap your hands.... i would lose all my money to u just so i can hear u hands clapping and talk trash later

[TheGrannyWhore]

i love it when Matusow sucks out

[MurphmanCometh]

Negreanu's funny "Oh no, really Mike? Thanks…"

[mroscoe]

@ISmellT0AST A coinflip is never a horrible call when you have that much money in you donk

[TheSantrax]

@mroscoe Actually, it was a terrible call. Negreanu has to put Matusow on a range, not on a specific hand, and then he has to calculate his % vs that range and compare it to the pot to see if he is getting the right odds. Against that range 1010 is dead, and not only that but he was waaaaay off in getting the right price.

[KevinDorner]

Painful to watch. But I guess Negreanu overplayed his hand. Probably should've folded preflop already against Matusow's 4bet. Matusow is rather oldschool and relatively tight so I don't think TT is ahead against his 4betting-range. Besides he was out of position.

[tma579]

@KevinDorner Agreed.

[kevinja88]

@VicenzoV

The raise to 16k is fine consider there were 4 callers plus a straddle. Flat-calling the 3bet is also fine. So is folding. I think 4-betting is horrible since it basically turns your hand into a bluff. Dark checking is also 100% standard. Daniel has done this tons of times and has said out loud that he is checking the dark because he is never leading out.

[thespacialone]

Biggest nit I've seen

[MrRussin10]

I don't like Mike. He will be single for ever :P

[Leviatan989]

Is just that Mike made it so obvious.. he basically turned his cards face up... I mean the only reason for Daniel to even consider folding if is he puts Mike on JJ+ or a set... wich makes no sense with his limp/raise and over shove the flop... when he limps raises ok... u can think about a bigger pair... but when he bets so big on the flop is just so obvious that he wants to maximize his fold equity and put a huge pressure on Daniel..AND he might have 55 88 99 as well... unlikely but posible...

[MrGifted92]

Like Phil Hellmuth said.....It's better to be a bad loser,than to be a bad winner.mike acts like a d-bag when he wins.

[VicenzoV]

Raising 10 times the straddle with pocket 10's when everyone knows you're steaming. Smoothcall a 3-bet. Then check the flop in the dark in a 100k pot.

Nice play Daniel. 

[kurwajegopierdolona]

mike behaves like a monkey

[HBRevive]

Mike is gonna continue his slow play........ and just like I said, he raises.

LOL ALWAYS

[boskinator]

I love seeing loudmouth Daniel getting pwned. He was even money AT BEST before he called...remember that in the previous hand, Mikey flopped kings full vs. Daniel's trip 9's...this was partially a steam call too.

Daniel was unlucky on HSP, granted, but he's a calling station too. Watch Season 1 of The Big Game for proof. Or check out my "Negreanu Payoff Wizard" playlist, lol.

[grindingitup]

daniel negreanu is a n000b basket lol, i woulda folded it thinking AK of clubs and im an underdog --- 45k in, 200k more to call in a "MAYBE EVEN MONEY" scenario... doestn make sense lol, hes a fukin callin station n00b

[jakejumpover]

@grindingitup Well if he knew he was even money it would be an easy call.

[sandri2929]

@grindingitup so how many millions have u made playng ?

[Swisspokerboy]

@grindingitup

actually he made the right call in that situation, so whats your fking problem?

[kuja900]

@Swisspokerboy It was a bad call. There was no chance that mike wasn't doing this without something, the nut flush draw with 2 overs which Daniel isn't even the favorite against is the very bottom of his range. You can't look at poker with a results oriented perspective, it working or not working is not what makes a play good or bad. What makes a play good or bad is how often said play would work in said situation and Daniel was at best a 49% dog against the very bottom of Matusow's range.

[Swisspokerboy]

@kuja900

well, all I said was that in this specific hand, he made the right call. you dont know whether he got a read on mike or something. against a random good player calling this will make you a loser long term, but for this actual hand, it certainly was the right call.

[number154]

@grindingitup You would have folded instead of making a 200k call to get a coinflip at 500k? That's only rational if you have a nonlinear utility curve, which means you're playing at higher stakes than you should be. Otherwise, the EV is the same as throwing away 50k.

A fold might be smart when you factor in the possibility of large overpairs to that push range, that depends on Daniel's read, but you said you would have folded if you KNEW it was 2 overs + flush draw, which would just be stupid.

[sandri2929]

mike is really afraid at the poker table. he is a terrible nit, daniel made a good call it was even money but once again he gets unlucky

[grindingitup]

@sandri2929 negreanu is a fuckin n00b lol

[theman1819]

@grindingitup yeah hes a professial millionare poker player and u are a youtube pro calling people n00bs lol

[AcesInHole]

GJ giving away the hand in the title.......

[jismjacket]

@AcesInHole

you hit the nail on the head

[TheGrannyWhore]

@AcesInHole wo the fuck is GJ

[Cheshario]

@AcesInHole yeah, the bust again ruins everything

[jizzobizzo]

keep clicking 5.41...funny

[nybombs]

wow daniel's running so bad in high stakes poker, it's not even funny anymore... It must be like playing Jokerstars

[fabio05cannavaro]

durrrr had 98offsuit...

[GOLDSILVERDUDE]

@fabio05cannavaro

ummmmmm who gives a fuck donk faggit

[GOLDSILVERDUDE]

@fabio05cannavaro

Um yeah nobody gives a shit you vacuous donk loser

[darkt3]

you win 500k it's best just to shut up and stack chips

[UndercoverLdn]

Therefor I think they both played the hand very well, although it was kind of a tricky move to 4bet this way. Negreanu actually made 2 both good calls, since he indeed never was more than a 51% underdog and would most likely split the pot since they ran it twice. He even was a big favor in the 2nd run when he hit his set but was just unlucky. What I DON'T agree with though, is my comment 5 months ago saying Negreanu is normally a winning player - at cash games. Since he's obviously not lol

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn Hahaha! Well, the thing about Negreanu is he IS a professional poker player after all, but he's one who I feel hasn't reacted well to the 'new-age' of poker. In High Stakes 1-4 (1-3 especially) Daniel is very much the focal point of the show, and though it isn't vocalised often I feel he's genuinely referred to by most as the shark of the table. Then post Season 5 and Dwan is the catalyst and pretty much dictates the action, and I think because of this change in gear...

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn ...of the show itself, Daniel reacts (somewhat understandably) by not wanting to be pushed around; he makes a few uncharacteristically bad calls - notably against Greenstein in an early Season 5 episode with aces up when Barry flops the nuts, but a few other marginal decisions also. Having said this, he is EXTRAORDINARILY unlucky - if you zone in on Daniel and just observe the pots he's involved in it is just sickening how poorly he runs. Now...

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn ...if you watch this episode, a few hands prior to this Daniel (having ran like shit) finally flops trips, only to be beaten by Matusow's kings-full. Now, in the aftermath of that hand, I believe that Daniel would rather be bluffed than be seen sticking his money in with an illegitimate hand, i.e. he'd rather Mike was making a move with air and showed the bluff than call all his money as a 4:1 underdog...

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn ...Negreanu knows Matusow isn't making this play with 9s or worse, so he knows whatever he's up against, Mike can't realistically be more than a 40% dog. With this in mind, and given he only had $45,000 invested ("only" 45 grand lol) I believe made the call all the more admirable. I also believe that given they're both fairly old school players, the mathematics didn't make an overwhelming influence on Daniel's decision. He knows Mike's game and Mike knows his.

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn ...What's more, in Season 3 of High Stakes, there's a hand where Mike limps under the gun with AKd, Daniel Alaei raises with 8s, gets a few callers, and Matusow then comes over the top. Heads-up to a 7-high flop, Mike moves in and Alaei passes. I'm sure that's not the only time Matusow's done this and I'm sure this was on Negreanu's mind. If you also watch Mike play, he rarely plays big pairs too aggressively post-flop...

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn So overall, I think they both played it very impressively, and Daniel was just unfortunate the cards were unkind to him :)

Peace

[MrSmartComment]

MIike wining with AQ??? omg a miracle

[xpiritflare]

History shows us whenever Negreanu is all in on high stakes poker and it's run twice, he tends to lose both.

You can try to stay as optimistic as you'd like, but when you lose 200k buy in after 200k buy in, totaling millions, expecting to win 1 of 2 to split no matter your odds of winning but ending up always losing both will eventually get to anybody's confidence.

[ets008]

"oh phew" . . . one second later "oh gosh"

[VicenzoV]

Daniel knows his pair against a flushdraw with two overcards is about 50/50, but he says "I don't see how I can possibly win.". With an attitude like that maybe it's better to just stand up and leave the table.

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

what a terrible call and then he gets upset with what is probably one of the best case scenarios despite a horrible call. i really cannot even fathom what he puts him on here... two random overs no FD? Just decided to limp-raise 45k and then ship it on the flop with KJo lol negreanu is so terrible at cash games.

[UndercoverLdn]

@SurvivingTheHorizon

I agree it was a bad call AND a bad call preflop, but Negreanu isn't terrible at cash games....he mostly makes profit.

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

@UndercoverLdn hes better than most, but this top tier of players on HSP owns him. They're doing a tally of how much DN has lost on 2+2 forums over the six seasons of high stakes poker, it will be interesting to see what the final tally is

[Th3Z0ne]

@UndercoverLdn it evidently wasn't a bad call, daniel was never more than a 51% dog at any point in the hand before the money went in. daniel slips up a few times during HSP 6 but he doesn't put a foot wrong during this hand

[UndercoverLdn]

@Th3Z0ne

Funny actually how I reread my own comment 5 months ago and now don't agree with it. I think you're 100% right. 5 months ago when I posted that comment I was a 100% fish, mostly only watching HSP and thinking I was so smart. Now I'm actually a winning player online and I've learned so much, I know understand this hand way better. First off, I liked how Matusow and Negreanu both played the hand preflop. The call in first place was very risky for Negreanu ofcourse, he had a very good

[UndercoverLdn]

hand to squeeze with in that position, but unexpectedly Matusow 4bets him. Now you have to think about what Matusow could have... it's either AKs, A's or K's... I don't think Matusow would do this with Q's condering his unlucky reputation... Now with this squeezeplay I might be too tight and fold the tens, but Negreanu actually made a good call. He put Matusow in AK, and therefore on the flop could only be flipping to 2 overcards+FD, like Mike had..

[dannyburge]

@SurvivingTheHorizon it's not a terrible call! he had the best hand, despite not being the favourite. he just got unlucky that he didn't chop it

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

@dannyburge its a terrible terrible call. the fact that he got it in against 2 overs and a flush draw- which he's a dog to, was the best case scenario here. if he always calls in this spot then he's leaking a ton of money.

[Th3Z0ne]

@SurvivingTheHorizon i hate to butt in but you couldn't be more wrong, the fact that he called knowing that he was even money at best made his read all the more accurate. he knew matusow was never betting that much with a bigger pair or a set.

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

i disagree. i think calling knowing you are at best 50/50 is by definition a bad call. especially how tight mike was this season. mike was not spaz shoving AKoff here which is what Negreanu 'put him on.' The biggest mistake of a poker player is to put people on specific hands rather than ranges. Negreanu is guilty of that- and he was wrong. Notice his reaction is negative when he's sees mike's hand- why- because he had Mike on less.

[SurvivingTheHorizon]

it speaks to a bigger point. range based thinking is always superior to hand based thinking. Because of the overshove- negreanu fell in love with the idea that it had to be AKoff. I think that hand should be eliminated from Mike's range, the same way you think overpairs should be. 4QQ 4KK 4AA and 4 AKs. 16 possibilities in my mind. 12 which are crushing him. AQs is not a hand I would be thinking about- but you do have to add some percentage at random bluff I guess- i would say 3%

[Th3Z0ne]

@SurvivingTheHorizon You make an excellent point in that he didn't expect Mike to have as stronger hand as he had, but (if you read what I posted to UndercoverLdn) Mike has blown up like that with AK, notably in Season 3 against Daniel Alaei. And I just feel that Daniel knows Mike's game well enough to know he's not making that play with a set or an overpair, and given a) he had a small amount invested and b) he has at best no more than 65% equity, I think made the call all the more commendable.

[ezox00]

and matusow had to rub it in.. what an egocentric ass