Healing Quest: Permaculture

[eph5121]

BEWARE of this is new age 'mother earth' worship man, it's paganism in disguise !!

[manonidyble]

I have had a few good laughs reading these comments, personally I would love Bill Moyer to do a Docu.I agree, I was cringing while watching the Rasta muffin's spiraling around, bless their hearts . The science of Permaculture is mind boggling to me,I am deeply fascinated and excited by the endless possibility's. "PERMACULTURE" IT"S A REVOLUTION!!!!!

[X3P3R1S3N]

Also your comments where disrespectful to Haitian Culture, your ignorance is showing so you may want to Xamine Your Zenophobia, you sound like a bigot. These people are doing good work. If you do not want to be involved in a religous or spiritual permaculture than don't, you have plenty of secular permaculture organizations to choose from. Do as you will, but IMHO if you cannot see something divine in the patterns of nature studied in permaculture than you may just have your head up your! ass

[X3P3R1S3N]

@ all you haters, By All Means Do What Thou Wilt, If you do not want to take part in a religious or spiritual permaculture project than there are plenty of completely secular permaculture projects and venues available. Have some respect there are those of us who prize our spirituality and value our ecosystem and love food, We have the liberty and capability to practice any religion and to organize as we choose, we love our whole being and we love permaculture and We Are Here To Stay.

[X3P3R1S3N]

@ all you haters, By All Means Do What Thou Wilt, If you do not want to take part in a religious permaculture than there are plenty of completely secular permaculture projects and venues available, there are those of us who value our spirituality and ecosystem and love food, we have the liberty and capability to practice any religion and to organize as we choose, we value permaculture and We Are Here To Stay.

[MasterVeggie]

Ya, your KILLING the permaculture movement with the hippie voodoo. We don't need to steer people away by spiritually dancing and participating in so called "healing"tribal activities.We need to steer towards SOLUTIONS people are WILLING to cooperate in achieving. Its a science and so far we've even gotten that wrong. Too each his own, just don't involve the spiritual voodoo with the real factors of crop production and ecologically conscience living.

[funkyvisionful]

I isn't disagreein wit its central tennent: that humans can ensure their own health only by joining with nature to foster healthy enviroments i's agreein...

[MrNobodyNothing]

Humans must remember that ALL Biological Life, unless I missed something, IS CARBON BASED. The myth of carbon as a toxin might be laughable if HUMANS understood their connection to Carbon as "LIFE"s Backbone" to quote Wikipedia.

Love IS Zero Point Source Energy. : )

Peace and Love

[evantspurrell]

zone 0 is important as well

[codewalters]

These guys are just maligning the scientific work of permaculture by making it look like a Hippie concept.

[Snurdgerbly]

I have to agree, codewalters. A lot of people are turned away from Permaculture by this sort of representation. I'm trying to deal with ordinary farmers who think Permaculture is some decadent hippie love-fest, and won't look at the vital science. The solution, I think, is to demonstrate the principles in whatever way we can.

[itisphoto]

I agree with the post below. Permaculture is a system based on logic; there is no need to muddle it with some mystical or religious experience.

[focarman89]

remove metaphysics from permaculture and it makes sense.

We can be symbiotic with the earth, and we should, but perpetuating religious like thinking its not the way to go about it.

[clarojane]

can we see beyond our opinions and varying fashion tastes to see that what unites us is much greater than that which separates? who cares how anyone connects to god if we can simply be grateful that we are all connected by the forces of life and nature. everyone wants to be happy and to be so we must be healthy. to be healthy we must have a healthy ecosystem. it is just a matter of time before the lack of it catches up with everyone on the planet. unite in unity!

[damocsell]

@focarman89

yep i agree also permaculture makes total sense but the wacko hippy approach

is slowing its adoption down so many of these permaculture learning centers are dependant on free or "pay for the privaledge to work" labor.

I want to see somebody actually compete on the free market with permaculture principles

[Ullbritt]

i love permaculture but why the fuck does everything have to be so hippie about it.

[ConstitutionFirst178]

That's funny. My thoughts exactly. I'm doing this for me and my family, not for the greater good. In fact, I laugh at people who buy into the elite's global disaster charade. Eating right and not giving billionaires money is good, being a hippy-freak is annoying.

[cmercon]

Are they interested in getting permaculture broadly used to bring about a real change in the insanity going on or are they interested in pushing their religion in our faces?

This same thing has nullified so many good ideas. A good idea comes along and it gets used to push religion or politics. People resent this and so reject the original good idea.

You think you're going to convince a Baptist farmer in Missouri by mixing in these religious ideas?

[Elderberry4]

If connecting with nature is an idea that alienates members of some religion, then it sounds like that religion is probably part of the problem.

[cmercon]

Read the comment again.  That was not what was said or even implied.

[gilgamesh1962]

I agree cmercon, although i do not have anything against hippies or anything like that, permaculture would be better accepted by the general public, and farmers, if it instead of using the "save the planet" platform, they used the Independence, economic,and self sustainability aspects of it. this way people can live in harmony off the land but without all the "spirituality" stuff. personally I see permaculture as a science of harmony and efficiency.

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[estoboy29]

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[secoro60]

Well, I'm still looking for basic practical advice or tips on what seeds to throw where, based on say.... what other plants one might see in a given area, compatiblity of plant species in growing environments, etc.... and all I come across is the same vanity of philosophy, the same jaded message.

Yes, I certainly agree that plants don't care about our holisitic philosophies, and we can treat them with respect without grossely inflating ourselves or wasting our time with egocentric meditations.

[BrockRhodes]

mollison's brilliance regarding permaculture is allowing it to remain approachable. this video makes several mistakes in calling it a way to make "radical changes" ...as well as connecting is with yoga, tai chi, etc.. they just shut down any communication with conservatives, who need to hear this the most! the only way this will effect the US positively is if we can talk to farmers (the guys riding john deere, voting republican) and city dwellers (who never saw a forest, or cared) in their terms

[Beardedyoungman]

they don't make mistakes, it's directed towards those people.. others will go to other places.. it actually does an ok job addressing things you worry about for the "hippy" types.. and notice they say tai chi, yoga and deep ecology are "also" part of the curriculum. Learning to fully relax while learning by looking by looking that the plants can do a lot of the work them selves is a very powerful experience.

p.s. I grow vegetables in a conservatives back yard! So I know what you mean..

[gilgamesh1962]

Check this video out, an ex truck driver explaining permaculture in a very practical manner,

watch?v=5XpjMiiKyXY

[pandanus1]

ive never seen so many hippies in a permaculture video

[leloodallasmultipass]

they grow them in Hawaii on highly degraded land for pennies on the dollar.

[jonathanb921]

"their health and well-being depends on nature's, and vice-versa". What does he mean by vice versa? That nature's well-being depends on humans? I hope that's not what they teach there.

[dustyloup]

if you read michael pollan's work, plants depend on us and use us as we depend on and use them.

[ech1dna]

Plants couldn't give a shit about us, and 99% of them would be far better off if we went extinct.

[Beardedyoungman]

Ya but we won't go extinct until most other life does! right now they do depend on us to protect those systems from less aware people. the world really does revolve around each one of us as individuals! every plant animal puts different chemicals/pheromones/hormons into the system they live in also. Some plants love humans! What they mean is these systems need us to not put so much control and rather learn to interact and recognize that we're actually in the environment at all times.

[eruanion]

You don't have any idea of what you're talking about.

[koitajja]

Very,Very Awesome,I would love to try this at least once in my lifetime!

[Kitt0000]

Would those people still be smiling and as happy if the place was run buy strict scientists in white coats?

[leloodallasmultipass]

no, unless they were scientists who knew how to make acid.

[claude876]

I see, so permaculture is a science and yoga, tai chi, meditation etc are not?The concept- 'anything that's outside of my realm of experience or not in line with what I've been taught/indoctrinated' is to be either feared or ridiculed. Funny that.

Oh that's right I almost forgot Bill Mollison said it's a "science".."All Hale The new God of Science" and death to the heretics!"

Interesting defence mechanism we humans have. Could go a ways to explaining why we're in the mess we're in.

[TonyKaku]

My teacher and the guy who started the permaculture movement, Bill Mollison, movement refers to the spiritulist, "mystical" people as "woo-woo" people,and laments their actions to a great degree. Permaculture is a design science - nothing more. And the movement has consciously avoided tying permaculture with religion of any kind.

[HooDaBabba]

Communes tend to isolate themselves and in the long run, any society that isolates themselves and avoids cooperation with others is likely to find out that they are not going to be sustainable. Communes tend to be more exclusive, whereas communities interact with their neighbors. Permaculture is aimed at being inclusive and still has nothing to do with mysticism, yoga, or dancing, not that those things might not be nice...I'm just saying they have little (if anything) to do with permaculture.

[zezt]

a stupid thing to say. what permaculture means for a DANCER maybe differernt for what it means for you, a businessman? laboratory assistant?

[NWforager]

I'd really like to see some 'conservative' examples of permaculture & the like. Since the U.S. is still pretty new, 'old ways' can't really apply so permaculture is 'progressive' here. Go to the U.K. and its the other way around I'd guess at least much less relegated to liberals .

[BrockRhodes]

very good point, i think what conservatives would like to hear is that it works better, and is proven to work better, and supports their ideals.. family, independence, patriotism, dignity, no-nonsense, and yes, history- there are old folks who i have spoken with who understand permaculture if you merely present it in an appealing fashion, which is easy if one is not too preoccupied with being a hippy

[TonyKaku]

HooDaBabba, your words are precisely on the mark. Permaculture is a design science for creating sustainable human environments. Bill Mollison consciously kept and keeps religion and spirituality out of it to avoid isolating anyone.

[Communitis]

"Permaculture is a design science to create sustainable systems and communities...not hippie communes."

While this is true, don't assume that they don't understand or apply permaculture accordingly. Afterall, you admit it is a design to create sustainable systems and communities, and a commune must be just that.

[HooDaBabba]

niceslug, I agree...mystecism, yoga, tai-chi and all the other "hippie-shic" stuff has nothing to do with permaculture. Permaculture is a design science to create sustainable systems and communities...not hippie communes.

[ginkhoba]

yoga and tai-chi are systems like permaculture:

learning their tecniques from nature, repeating it to create or maintain physicall health. it's the asian kind of learning how to use the bioenergy of your body. and, yeah, great hippie stuff

[BrockRhodes]

yoga and tai chi are giant leaps for people who are only read to make baby steps.

once the public implements permaculture for things that are concrete like house-building and food growing, then they may begin to notice that principles of observation-based improvement systems (permaculture) can be used for health and happiness as well as financial security. but force it all down their throat at once and we'll just scare them away.

[TylerDurdenInc]

I have to agree.. were I to show this to.. say my parents.. and told them this is what I was interested in.. they think I was joining a cult and not a sustainable gardening practice.

[AmericanMonk247]

It's better to show them the video I have in my favorites. It's very professional and justifiable.

btw, we should totally talk Fight Club.

[kakudmi]

I did something like this and my parents reacted eve words than you're assuming about what yours would say. I didn't care for their opinions because they had no logical arguments and no alternative. I realized at the age of 18 that I had nothing to learn from then anymore. And now, 15 yrs later, it turned out I was right. I am healthy and happy, and my parents are sick and miserable and getting worse. Their attitude doesn't allow for any change to disturb their way of life. You cannot help that.

[niceslug]

permaculture is fabulous but as for the psycho stuff forget it, it has nothing to do with permaculture

[ioian]

Giving people the skills to create their own food and sculpt the environment to nurture them and their kids ain't wack! What happens if the supermarket is shut one day?