Staggering Mathematical Probability of Just One Protein by Chance! ...

[GodTheHypothesis]

I don't think any scientists think that the origin of life happened by a freak accident in chemisty where life just emerged. It's more likely that it was a gradual process where certain chemicals had the ability to replicate themselves and a primitve form of natural selection kicked in. The only way to assess the probability of this would be if you knew all of the different possibilities of chemicals behaving in this way- which of course no-one does.

[alyosha24601]

@GodTheHypothesis I'll say no one does. It's because the chance of it is virtually 1 in infinity. You are guessing that "natural selection" operates on non-living chemicals? Life is mind-bogglingly complex - it cannot even be produced by people in modern labs, and the more complicated a chemical is, the more likely it will react/break down. Billions of interacting parts must completely work together in order for life to survive, or it all breaks down at once. You have way more faith than I do!

[mkmason2002]

@GodTheHypothesis LOL!!! Are you serious man!? You evolutionist have a lotta faith!

[GodTheHypothesis]

@mkmason2002

Having faith is the exact opposite of simply saying "I don't know". I don't have faith on anything about the natural world because I'm actually open to the idea that a God did it. HOWEVER, the concept of any particular god is an extraodinary claim that I will not accept without piles of evidence (and just calling something evidence doesn't make it so). So I don't have faith at all that everything happened naturally, I was just defending the improbability argument.

[alyosha24601]

@GodTheHypothesis What do you call historical predictions that occur, to the day, thousands of years after they were made? This is the signature of the true God - only in the Bible. You don't want evidence, you want to pretend there is no God so that you can pretend you are "righteous". Will you please leave my channel? You just repeat the same comments over and over. Go make up with your wife and get your life back.

[alyosha24601]

Note: ScienceWebinarSeries likes to insult everyone who doesn't happen to agree with him. He thinks he's brilliant and claims to be a professor! But he is not - he spends his time monitoring Creation Science channels on YouTube so he can insult creationists. He's some kind of atheist religious priest or something - a big pest to me.

[DoomsdayWars]

@alyosha24601 Actually if you notice, I was correcting jbooks and and your fallacy, over and over.

And I'll continue to do so as long as you post it.

[alyosha24601]

@DoomsdayWars This guy is a real pest. He never debates science; he just makes claims. He's an immature pest that I wish would go. His wife left him and now he's looking for meaning in life. Go away please!

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries NO - I mean what established the conditions for all this to happen. What enables covalence? Oh my you really are slow.

[jbooks888]

@EqualAndFree But there was intervention! Where did the mechanics of the 'natural processes' come from? The flowing of the water to smooth and organize these rock fragments? And for that matter, where did the rock itself come from? You are lacking the key ingredients.

[jbooks888]

@EqualAndFree What nonsense - you really must be dim witted! What happened with the pebbles, given time and the action of the tides is inevitable. The vast complexities of life and how it became organized has nothing to do with your little story. Besides, let's say that life did over vast eons organize itself - where did the rock come from? Where did the tides come from?

[jbooks888]

@EqualAndFree It's proof that God created these molecules to behave that way. Next.

[jbooks888]

@EqualAndFree All fairytales - no evidence for any of it. Dream on!

[jbooks888]

@EqualAndFree You'd be better off sticking with makeup catalogues, and such. This is obviously way over your head.

[jbooks888]

@EqualAndFree You are not equal - you are a dysfunctional person with an unnatural attraction to the same sex, and you embrace it, even celebrate it! You certainly aren't free - you are a slave to your deviant sexual impulses. Of course you have to believe in evolution, otherwise you might have to face a God who disapproves of your life(death)style. Very transparent.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Can you summarize his arguments for me? I've never seen anything like that.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Typical evolutionist. He provides us with an insult, but cannot challenge the science of my video. Tell me, O "educated one" how did life split into male and female? MILLIONS of perfect, complimentary, non-recessive, functional mutations - all in one generation? I'm not your enemy, but I tell you - evolution is absolute "quack science". It exists because people refuse to consider God. I say, just hate God, that's your right, but stop twisting science. Evolution is religious.

[blueblue1891]

@EqualAndFree you're clearly delusional, does your lifestyle of sodomy have anything to do with that? Do you have STDs? Maybe syphilis?

Complexity comes out of order, same delusion as your delusion that says things can come from nothing.

Seriously mr.sodomite you cannot possibly believe this delusion?

[alyosha24601]

@TheScienceFoundation 4 in 125? Bunk! The reason they are not harmful is because God wired DNA with error correction and back up code. As they accumulate though, they eventually overwhelm the protection. But even if damage was only 4 in 125, that is still a million times more than anything positive. Try sticking random letters in Shakespeare and see how long it takes to produce a work of Dickens. Evolution is a religion, not a science. A university biologist would be fired if he questioned it.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@alyosha24601 '4 in 125?' Hey you got one right, it's actually 3

Nachman, M. W. and S. L. Crowell. 2000. Estimate of the mutation rate per nucleotide in humans. Genetics 156(1): 297-304.

'God wired DNA with error correction and back up code'

Source? Mechanism? Just claiming something doesn't make it so.

'that is still a million times more than anything positive.'

Wrong, beneficial mutations aren't as rare as creationists would like to think

[jbooks888]

@TheScienceFoundation But so-called beneficial mutations are still rare, compared to the billions that would have been required to get to what wee have now. Man, you are so stubborn!

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 Not particularly, we've observed thousands, if not tens of thousands, of beneficial mutations across thousands of species and there is still the fact that selection is non-random.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries Well, you're still short by billions! Ha ha. And most importantly, you can't explain where the original materials came from. Genesis, however tells us that God brought them into existence. if you want to know how He did it, you will have to ask Him. But you still wouldn't be able to understand it with your human mind.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@alyosha24601 'A university biologist would be fired if he questioned it.

In the same sense that a mathematician would be fired if he questioned Peano's axioms. Evolution is indeed the only empirical explanation for biodiversity, completely independent of whether creationists understand it.

[alyosha24601]

@TheScienceFoundation A nice statement of your religious belief. Evolution is quack science, and you are Mr Duck!!

[ScienceFoundation]

@alyosha24601 You have that backwards, I have the science to support my claims. Thus far you've had nothing but bare ignorant assertion.

[alyosha24601]

@ScienceFoundation Didn't you watch the video? THe mathematics against just one little protein is mind-boggling! Your religious statement above is no science. Tell me, do you play the lottery? With a belief like yours it's no big deal to win every lottery you enter - dozens of them - and you don't even buy the tickets, right? You just find them? Watch this video again and review your high school exponents.

[jbooks888]

@TheLeagueOfReason So says you, but your thinking is corrupt and futile.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 No, so says chemistry, proteins form by peptide bonding, not chance.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries That the bonding occurred in just the right way... how do you explain that? Oh, don't bother answering. I know you won't give in. You whole life and your ego is propped up by this garbage, You have to believe it at all costs!

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 It's a covalent bond, meaning it shares electrons between atoms. 'You whole life and your ego is propped up by this garbage'

You should read up on psychological projection, as you've been the only one thus far espousing garbage as fact.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries Where did the electrons come from? Getting the idea now, huh???

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries OK, then what gave the peptide the ability to bond?

[ABriefHistoryOfTime]

@alyosha24601 The problem (read; ignorance) here is that protein formation isn't chance so odds based on chance are completely irrelevant.

[blueblue1891]

@ScienceFoundation all you have is lies, but then you little atheists are like that, a bunch of liars.

You need to start calling yourself ClownFoundation because that is all you are.

You're so delusional that you believe everything came from nothing, are you so blind you cannot see this?

Your position is a fairytale, it gets nauseating when you claim your delusion is science.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceFoundation Um... come again? You have the science to back those odds? I think not.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 Of course I do

Nachman, M. W. and S. L. Crowell. 2000. Estimate of the mutation rate per nucleotide in humans. Genetics 156(1): 297-304.

[jbooks888]

@TheScienceFoundation No you are wrong. An intelligent designer is also an explanation for diversity, just as Genesis states. God created all living creatures.

[jbooks888]

@jbooks888 Neither evolution nor any other scientific explanation satisfies the most important factor - where did everything come from? Surely you can't believe that everything come from nothing? It's too much of a leap for me.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 Who said everything came from nothing? Where did god come from? If you're going to say he always existed then just save a step and say the universe always existed.

The only leap is the god of the gaps you're trying to use

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries All true, but there is only one reality. Either the Bible's claims or some form of pantheism. A genuine seeker of truth will be shown by God what is real and what is not.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 No it's not, it's a completely useless non-answer.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries If you were told how the universe came into existence from nothing, you would not be able to fathom it! The human mind is not capable of knowing these things from a materialistic viewpoint. Can't you see that? Besides, the born again Christian has internal evidence for God that can't be transferred to others. It has to be experienced for oneself. God has made himself known to the true believer. NOTHING can convince us otherwise. You just don't get it.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 That makes it not evidence at all, that makes it completely subjective by definition. It's not that I don't get it, it's that you're wrong.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries Take my word for it or don't. I have the truth. you don't. I don;t care what you do, but you most certainly will care one day, like Hitchens does right now!!!

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 No, you have your belief that you're trying to push as truth, which is why people like you are doing my harm to religion than good. We're not short billions, that's just what's been observed in the few decades of genetic research. Yes, genesis makes the claim that god created, this doesn't make it a fact. 'You wouldn't understand it' is a cop out.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries There is more to reality than the material and empirical - the spiritual. Just as there are more dimensions that those we can measure. All your denial wont change a thing.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 That's certainly a claim that theists and creationists make, without supporting at all. There is no denial on my part, you're projecting because you want your magical invocation to be given equal consideration when it's just not going to happen given the complete lack of evidence.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries Like I said, the natural universe is evidence in itself! Are you too dull to see that? If you were walking through the woods and came across a Rolex watch, would you not say that was evidence for a watch-maker? Sheesh! Make me drag out the tired old analogies.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 No it's not, that's a complete non-sequitur on your part. You're just describing a phenomena and trying to inject 'oh yeah, my god did that' with zero justification.

The difference being we actually produce watches via known mechanisms.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries It's not zero justification. Its the most likely explanation (even though it's by no means a full scientific explanation, admittedly.) No one else has ever come up with anything believable, so I'm going with 'God did it.' I can fill in the gaps in the afterlife, if I need to.

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 It's zero justification because all you've done thus far is make a bare assertion. By no means is it a scientific explanation on any level. The problem is the gaps have already been filled by actual science in regards to biodiversity so your god stopgapping is only making your ability to comprehend an actual answer that much more difficult.

[jbooks888]

@ScienceWebinarSeries Just counter the video - 1 chance in ten to the 3000th power!

[ScienceWebinarSeries]

@jbooks888 I already have, proteins don't form by chance.

[jbooks888]

@TheScienceFoundation Mathematical concepts can be proven. Evolution cannot be proven. Simple.

[SuperJewbot]

Weedle #013 is composed of precisely 64 bits. Beedrill #015 is composed of precisely 256 bits. In order for weedle to become beedrill it must first become kakuna, from 64 bits to 256 bits. 256-64=194. where do the extra 194 bits come from? It is an established fact that there are only 2 weedles in the world: 64+64=128. 194-128=66 or one weedle with two bits left over. and of course a third weedle doesn't exist, therefore the only logical conclusion is that beedrill can't exist. beedrill no exist

[alyosha24601]

@SuperJewbot Say what? I've never studied weedles or beedrill. Maybe they don't exist?

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Actually people are still exposed to natural selection. 2-3% of babies possess viable defects, and some of these cannot reproduce, sometimes for social reasons, but it is selection, nonetheless. Skimming off the bottom 3% is just not enough to halt the accumulating decay, much less reverse it. Sorry, my comment is late. Feel free to drop the issue. And keep thinking: consider all the arguments after you drop the unscientific naturalistic precondition. Let the science go anywhere.

[SaTownChrome]

Ever heard of Jesus?

[alyosha24601]

@SaTownChrome I do believe that that's the only valid scientific conclusion, but it requires removing the naturalistic scientific precondition. That precondition is all that supports evolution, because the observational facts are arrayed against it. Evolution is quack science! With all we know today, isn't it amazing how people cling to it?

[jbooks888]

@alyosha24601 Some people HAVE to believe in evolution because its the only way they can remove God from their lives, thereby giving themselves freedom to live how they want to without anyone to answer to, without moral constraints. They become their own god.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree This is all new to me. I had never heard it. Interesting.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Answer me this: If the quality control supervisor at the Ford factory destroys the new car every time it can't run after leaving the factory (that's natural selection) how long will it take for an airplane to come out? And mutation (one guy walks around the plant bashing equipment with a hammer) and do you think after a million years a plane will pop out? You need to change your religion so you can think scientifically. Evolution is quack science.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Antibiotic-resistance in bacteria is not evolution, it is merely natural selection. Information is lost and the resistant strain is less hardy than the parent. If the antibiotic is removed, the new strain disappears. See the video on my channel. Human DNA is deteriorating so fast it will be impossible to reproduce after 100,000 years - yet we're still being sold this propaganda that we evolved in 2 million. Evolution is a religion my friend; there is no science behind it.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Sure, if you heat a barrel of oil the surface will form into hexagons. It's ordered, but it will never form into "To be or not to be..." Specified complexity demands intelligence because the codes are digital and arbitrary. For this same reason they are easily destroyed. If a one-in-a-trillion random event created a word out of falling leaves, the next event would sweep it away. It's not just creation, it's two opposing rates. We observe DNA deteriorating today - not evolving.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Have a look at some of the other videos on my channel, and on Youtube. There are so many scientific facts that you will never, never hear in school. Take a week and just look at the science. Put your filter down for a week and just learn. I'm hear if I can help.

[alyosha24601]

@EqualAndFree Good question. What you observed is hydrologic sorting. It is an order, but it is a repetitive order based on "analog" relationships. The sort of information in DNA is "specified complexity" - the sort of order in language. It is many orders of magnitude more complex than the sorting and cannot be created randomly. DNA includes stop codes, repeaters, back-up sequence initiators, checking sequences, duplication switches, repair instructions, on-off switches - it's mind-boggling.