Tom Dwan avoids getting durrrr'd by Ziigmund

[parkbike5000]

does anyone know what Antonius says to Zigmund at the end?

[3AFG]

@parkbike5000 antonius says: "you didnt have it" at the end.

[cocoisthe1]

@TheMichaelJoshua Cheers buddy! There's a couple of places you can reach me! First your Momas Crib I dick her fat ass Monday through Wednesday but then I get sick of the scatty whore so I switch to your girls house. Drill her tight pussy thurday to friday then. Glasses would be great might inprove the bitches body! Tar fuck face!

[saosinrising]

Dwan: Show the bluff?

Ziigmund: It wasn't.

Owned

[limesoda23]

lederer doesnt deserve to be at that table

[koolzy1]

I Like how when Sahamies makes trip 9's he bets 9,000.

[cocoisthe1]

I like to slow play top pair...My only concern and I believe zigmunds also, were the 3 spades on the flop that's why he checked the turn. He played it pretty much how I would, my last bet would have been a little lower maybe 88-94 try and entice a shove from a high Flush since he was last to enter the pot and first to raise it! But there the pros

[TheMichaelJoshua]

@cocoisthe1 Yea, that analysis would sound so much better if you knew what you were talking about.... there were only 2 spades on the flop. I have an old pair of glasses here if you need them. Just need an address.

[sandri2929]

guys...just leave them do all the poker... you have no idea what your talking about anyway

[isinox]

@laziogoalie6 lol so true

[MiauZi69]

the chip noise is so annyoing

[InTRuD3r86]

@MeShell1010 Your an idiot

[ciaonegra]

4:51 - 6:10 to be in his head... it would be the most EV thing in the world :D

And about the nits who think they're good... Following my read you are a real idiot! 'night folks!

[Pruane2ishot]

The only thing Howard Lederer is good at is chip shuffling

[SurvivorShawn]

4:37 Ilari raises to 130000, and durrrr does not look haaaaaappy...

6:13 Durrrr folds, and Ilari does not look haaaaappy...

[ZbotakZ]

even though durrr lost the hand,, he read it perfectly from preventing more damage to his stack..

[InTRuD3r86]

I love youtube poker playes, they all know exactly what's the right for people who play poker for a living and have playing bugets over 6 figures

[MatteoIceMan]

Ziigmund played this hand greatly, but Dwan's played it much better.

[Ranie9393]

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[RoGyDoux]

@lollerz16 thats what i meant, he made a bigger hand against a big hand and should be able to get more value in those situations because they happen very rarely (that what i call lucky situations). Because of his style and Dwan's style, he could be check-raising air because Dwan can himself have air a lot thats why I think he shouldve raised more on river to make it look more like a rebluff attempt instead of giving 3 to 1 to Dwan and enable him to fold especially since its hard to put him on 9

[zandaofly]

why did you bet the river tom? what are you hoping to get a call from? Zigmund played this hand well but dwan helped his cause a lot. I guess the only thing dwan can say is he wants another 7 to fold but its twice as likely zigmund has a 9 to a 7.

[marshallbrooks1]

@zandaofly you want to know why tom bet the river? because he hit a full house. and hes a better poker player than you. thats why. you would have shipped at that point and ur acting like u wouldnt have lost a dime and insta folded cuz youre so sick lol. so annoying

[zandaofly]

@marshallbrooks1 at the time that i wrote that comment (3 months ago) i had very little idea about the amount of history between durrrr and zigmund. i now realise that they value bet very thin. 

[DiZZy13T]

isn't gonna call without the 7 i meant*

[bibbbydybabbbydyboo]

Turn play is debatable in a vacuum, in the longrun it helps to keep your turn raising range from being too polarized. River bet has the same longterm advantages, however will most likely not be a profitable play on itself, as being ahead most of the time is an insufficient reason to value bet when there's very little chance you get called by worse and at the same time not being willing to call a raise. But idk, certain dynamics between ziggy and durrrr could entice him to hero call anyway.

[Acesfull27]

bad play here by dwan, he doesnt think theres a chance zig would play a 9 like he did? I suppose zig could call the river with and overpair or something but pretty much hes only getting called on the river by a 7 or better. Kinda dumb river bet i think

[DiZZy13T]

@Acesfull27 i agree, after zigmund calls the turn if i'm dwan i just say "zigmund either called me with a 7 with a good kicker or he has the nine". I think the check by zigmund is an amazing play on the river knowing dwan is aggressive, but if i'm dwan there i just check it down at the river. i don't exactly disagree with tom's bet, but as people have said before zigmund isn't gonna call the river bet without the nine (hence, a split pot) or he's gonna raise me, so no value to the rivr bet 4 dur

[lollerz16]

@DiZZy13T Dwan likely gets called by 1010 - AA in this hand. Maybe even ace high because the turn raise looks suspicious. You are being far too results-orientated here. Not betting a 7 on the river with the action leading up to it is simply a mistake. If you ask any decent player, they will tell you the same. You can't just be afraid of the nuts all the time.

[SUPERMAXINHO]

murphy of robocop plays poker? HAY CARAMBA!

[mrdkaff]

STOP FUCKIN W/YOUR CHIPS

[devez7]

basically i dont agree with ziigmunds play... he checked the flop with top pair while there was a flush draw and 4 players at the hand, he flat called the turn instead of raising and the river was fantastic for him, coz dwan had also a boat, but worse than his... if u play like this most of the time you will be outdrawn.....

[zzzgdap]

I reckon Ziigmund has a bald anus.

[Sonny208208]

good fold lederer donk hahahaha

[mutzigmorzine]

@Sonny208208 He has $6 million in tournament winnings, 2 bracelets and the majority ownership of Tiltware, the parent company of Full Tilt Poker. You're pathetic.

[dh144498]

@mutzigmorzine joe cada also is the youngest main event winner with over 6 million. i guess u think he's good too?

[mutzigmorzine]

@dh144498 Well Cada has won one notable tournament, whilst Lederer has won a number of them, including WSOP events, WPT and Ballagio tournaments... so yeh, kind of different. Nice try though.

[blomfy]

is dwan drinking apple juice? -_-

[hanselategretel]

lmfao at 5:00 lederer teaching the dealer how to deal with the chips

[calvin1392]

was he raising for value on the turn?

[Bell0my]

@calvin1392

yes, he most certainly was not bluffing because he doesn't expect any better hand to fold.

[fp5carbon1]

"naise hannd"

[Duzykutas]

Eli is funny - 'bluff, he don't know what this word is bluff' LOL

[Rex0pas]

wow ziigmund is sick

[Kozaack]

Ziigmund would scare me after calling the turn. But not Dwan. And that's why I play at micro stakes and Durrrr wins millions.

[MysticGrant]

Best trap ever.

[MrShatera]

Did anyone else notice how fast that dealer shuffled at the end? Holy fucking shit.

[steevyp]

what would he have done had a picture came on the turn instead? or another spade? he should have raised on the flop. lucky the 9 came and lucky the 7 came.

[cfetzner]

@steevyp thats poker for ya

[doodiko]

why bet on the river

he would only be called if he is beat

[doodiko]

why bet on the river

he would only be called if he is beat...

[Rex0pas]

@doodiko he probably thought ziigmund might had pocket 66s or 55s something like that

[doodiko]

@Rex0pas 

that seems very unlikely

[sykhophaunt7]

ziggy actually plays well when he isnt drunk ...

[gav800]

I think it was a bit of a crap river bet from Durrrr.... as if Sahamies is gunna call with anything other than a 9 or a 7 on the river.... Durrrr's got 0 chance of getting paid off and probably a 20% chance that Sahamies has a 9 and Durrrr has thrown money down the drain.

[bill24681]

@gav800 durrr was betting for value. zigmund perfectly hid the fact that he had a nine by not betting the flop. his call to dwan's raise on the turn gave dwan the impression that he either had an over pair, or floating with ace high in case dwan was bluffing. his awsome check on the river completed his story of not having a nine. dwan felt like he could get paid off if zigmind had the over pair or if zigmund though he was bluffing, thats why he bet.

[kookoon]

this dawn guy is fail

[pilonator]

That was a terrible play by durr....Shouldve checked down on the river...didnt make any sense to bet cause he can only be called or raised by a better hand !

[Incubated81]

4.34 is so funny

[simonjeste]

IMO no value in betting the river, a low pocket pair is going to fold, and you aren't going to get the case 7 to fold -- and in fact with Ziigmund a bluff-raise mighta happened. It's unlikely Ziigmund has pocket TT+ since he raised preflop but he didn't bet the wet flop, nor did he raise the turn.

As it played out, tough fold for Dwan since Ziigmund mighta made that move with the case *7* -- so Dwan's own greed (playing on his own loose image) kinda backfired, he really shoulda checked back.

[Themetaxas]

One of the best hands in televised poker ever. Ridiculously great poker by both. All moves were excellent. The laydown of Dwan showing what the concept of poker is as zig can not be bluffing there. Just excellent and getting incredible odds knowing he doesn`t even win one out of four situations. Zig also perfectly deceiving his strength such an uncommon play checking top pair there.

[lowtalkerr]

omg the WHOLE table is shuffling their chips, it's like a freaking A.D.D convention. and the sound is so annoying

[siavashgudarzi]

if zigmund didnt have anything he would fold

if he had a 7, he would have called (split pot)

if he had a 9, he would raise (wich he did)

so what a hell was the bet on river good for?!?

[ggnub100]

@siavashgudarzi lol if durrr took all the chips he'd shut them up

[ggnub100]

@siavashgudarzi lol if durrr took all the chips he'd shut them up

[JiuJitsuislife]

@siavashgudarzi ITS DURRRR ZIIG WOULD CALL WITH PAIR OF DEUCES \O/

[Sam0M0L]

its easy to play when you have the second best hand

[lollerz16]

Ziigmund played this hand ridiculously well. Got absolute max value. Against anyone but top calibre opponents, he would have got more from it.

[DarKmaster9999]

@lollerz16 Absolutely what I thought. Ziig's check on the river was gorgeous, knowing how dwan was playing his polarized range.

[Randy1337]

@lollerz16

i would have played the hand the same way.am i a top notch player now?

[lollerz16]

@Randy1337 I don't know why exactly you're trying to be a smart ass with me but anyway... Winners at poker know how to win the most money when they do get hands and this is what Ziigmund just did.

Sorry for not starting an argument buddy.

[InterstellarApple]

@lollerz16 I agree. Ilari played this the best way possible. That bet on the turn is what made the hand. Genius.

[InterstellarApple]

Also, great lay down by Dwan. These are the masters at work. Anyone else would go broke.

[InterstellarApple]

The instant check by Ziigmund was genius too. I do think he might have re-raised a little too much on the river. A slightly smaller re-raise might have been a call by Dwan.

[sneak108]

@lollerz16 agreed

[Acesfull27]

@lollerz16 I doubt "anyone but top level opponents" would play there 7 aggressively as dwan did, especially on the turn. While I don't mind the raise on the turn to see where he's at. I think the river bet is dumb. Zig's not gonna call unless he has at least a 7. Although these two have played thousands of hands together and are operating on different levels involving bluffs and what not

[lollerz16]

@Acesfull27 That is just so results orientated. Not betting river after Ziigmund checked top pair on a wet board on the flop is just bad play and not profitable in the long run. There is no reason to think Dwan was beat there. He would have to put Ziigmund on TT or JJ or something (or maybe 88) with the way the hand was played. IMO, Dwan's raise on the turn is pretty bad but he was convinced to do so by Ziigy's weird flop play. In poker, raising to see where you're at is just LOL bad.

[RoGyDoux]

@lollerz16 I completely disagree... this was just the perfect turn-river combination to win some money off durrr and wasnt event able to stack him... he got lucky to hit so perfect but wasn't good enough to benefit from it

[lollerz16]

@RoGyDoux Um..... not sure if you're being serious but do you really expect one of the best players in the World to stack off there against a guy he has played tens of thousands of hands against and has a good read on? How can you really say that Ziig was lucky to hit a good turn and river there? Are you saying he should bet every time he hits top pair? Ever heard of range balancing? Can I get your screen name? I would love to play you. :)

[RoGyDoux]

@lollerz16 how can I say he was lucky to hit this turn and river? because he was lol... again, this is the PERFECT scenario to get big money. I dont mind a check on flop heads up but with 3 others toppro players, not even in position, is asking for trouble. and then again, if he does so, thats fine sometimes but dont say he played it well just cuz he makes running boat after checking.. and contrary to apple I hate sizing of river CR cause it screams valuebet... come play me at MTL Casino

[lollerz16]

@RoGyDoux Yeah, you're right. Ziigmund was lucky to hit the perfect turn and river. Just like I was lucky to get aces against kings the other day. Just like I was lucky to hit a nut flush once lol. If you think that good players make money because of luck, then I think you should quit playing poker. It's how players exploit these advantageous situations that show how good they are and Ziig got max value here, despite what you think.

[lollerz16]

@RoGyDoux Btw, the river raise is the perfect amount. It would scream of value if he'd raised to 95-110.

[VicenzoV]

@lollerz16 You think many top calibre players would raise on the turn with 10-7?

[lollerz16]

@VicenzoV Ziigmund induced that play. Please read what I say.

[VicenzoV]

@lollerz16 You're saying from a worse player he would have won even more, but I'm saying that's unlikely. Dwan played this hand pretty bad.

[marshallbrooks1]

@VicenzoV do you honestly think a mediocre player would fold 7s full? no. they would hit that 7 on the river and push in a second. acting 2nd after ziigmund checks durrr needs to bet with 7s full. simply needs to. he got re raised and made a sick read and folded. he lost the minimum in this hand he didnt play it badly by any stretch

[VicenzoV]

@marshallbrooks1 No, I think a mediocre player would never raise the turn and therefore would never allow the pot to become as big as it did.

[lhipsher]

@lollerz16 Yeah, I'm a big Ziigmund fan and agree with your comment.  I'd say his great betting technique in this hand was only slightly eclipsed by Durr's fold but still very nice

[TruAzn100]

@lollerz16 so he should have bet the flop to get more value out of the hand?

[lollerz16]

@TruAzn100 Most of the time, yes. But he mixed up his play for deception. Sometimes not playing ABC poker can mean bigger profits.

[ekswfrenwn7]

Ilari played it exceptionally.The check on the river was absolutely brilliant!

[EyeThirdThe]

It's called COCAINE. And it wasn't in his drink. It was in his nose.

[KillEveryoneKillPhil]

wouldn't really call this a nice lay down at all not for one second the only reason tom takes so long is people crack under pressure eventually zig wasn't cracking and that told tom he had a 9 the check on the turn was classic though dwan was trying to rep that 9 thats all and was hopeing zig didnt have it if zig did have AA KK QQ etc i dont think he would get in a muli way pot limping with these players i know i wouldn't even do that with "normal" players" dwan was hoping to outbluff...

[Steadfast8]

not well played... but a nice laydown...

[rembi]

If it was a real bad play by tom he would of called.

When you're beat, you're beat. He was extracting the most value possible if is hand was good, he's only going to get raised by the 9 here, he trusted his read and followed through.

Good luck catching kings and shipping it in vs aces preflop without any instinctive intellectual evaluation...

gotta love nits who think they're good.

[vladzhuk]

@rembi speak english please

[dayjun]

@rembi lol. go back to playing nl10 plz

[donmajikjuan]

@rembi nits like you?

[asianmonk]

@rembi your post doesnt make sense if your referring to either as these players as nits.

[rembi]

You guys are obviously donks who know jack shit.

1. Think of it from dwans perspective, he obviously put ziggy on an over pair so the bet on the river was a value bet for 10s or jacks or higher to call thinking their 2pair was good.

2. To be a winning, profitable player you not only need to understand complete NLHE fundamentals, completely educate yourself on percentages and proper outages but you need to be able to read your opponents, and evaluate their read onu, then exploit it.

[rooy666]

@rembi you're howard lederer's son of somethin like that ? too much words and I don't see ya playing proffesional poker, why do you think you're so great.... : /

[Xlabi]

@rembi You're wrong

Bet on the river by dwan was a bad bet... The raise on the turn its exactly what it is, a pair of 7's, when the top card pairs, mathematically its less probable that Zigmund has the 9 since there are two on the board. Its a good re-raise by Dwan, but when Zigmund calls his raise he's not holding air. He either has high pocket pair or the 9 or the 7, so when dwan bets on the river what is he going to be called with? AA? KK? Its Zigmund playing, not an amateur... Bad bet IMO

[Harlingtonjnr3]

I don't understand the bet on the river. He knows a 7 leaves him vulnerable to 9 and any of these guys could have that 9. If he bets he is only getting raised by a 9 or splitting to a 7 call. Zig's look down at his cards was Hollywood special as if he had spades and Ivey thinking on the turn of betting then realising something was bad before checking and getting out of the way was class.

[PokerVertigo]

One of the few times I thought durr played badly...