How is it that Joseph quoted a man who was not even born yet in 1 Nephi 22:20? Here he says he is quoting Moses however what he quotes is actually a paraphrase of Moses from Peter in Acts 3:22. I believe if he wanted to quote what Moses was saying here, he should have quoted Deuteronomy 18:15-18, shouldn't he? (see date at the bottom of the page in your BOM)
this woman does not think the Americas were occupied 2,000 years ago? The native Americans who came from Asia during the ice age were here long before the Vikings were.
Do you really believe that only LDS Christians is the only ones going to heaven? I am in my search for the right Christan, and I do not believe that only LDS is going to make it to heaven.
@geraldlee33 Only those who trust in Jesus alone for salvation will make it to heaven. Mormons, JW's do not do this they are a cult. I would suggest you look up ADam's Road video's here on youtube and then contact them.They are true Christians.
The Native American teach and talk about a man in white rob coming here on this soul healing people, He is called the healing hand. I think the Lord came here to teach Native Americans about eternal life.
Has anyone of these people know about Islam? Hello? Ever heard of Islam? Please read the Quran ONCE and then you'll NEVER EVER look back at Christianity, Mormanism, LDS or any other religion. Islam is simple. It has no twists, tricks OR membership. Islam says: There is ONE God, without a son, wife, parents etc. It says believe in all prophets from Adam, Noah to Abrahim, Jesus to Muhammad (Peace be upon them all), to believe in Heaven and Hell and all angels and to worship God alone. Simple...
Reasoning about shooting for the terrestrial kindom is flawed.
according to mormons for those people that dont make it to the celestial kingdom aka "heaven" they will experience weeping and wailing and nashing of teeth. And the big thing is that they believe they will be cut off from gods prescence. They feel that only people who have promised to come unto christ and witness this by being baptised by a servent authorized by christ to perform the baptism will make it to the celestial kindom.
Exactly. When she says that she completely misrepresents the doctrine. She was using Pascal's wager to say we should all become "Christians" because if we don't we lose all. On the other hand, if Mormonism is true she doesn't lose anything because she can just go to another kingdom. In reality, she will lose VERY much. The kingdoms aren't the same and it isn't "okay" if she ends up in the Terrestrial. It was a complete misrepresentation. Not to mention that Pascal's wager is dumb because you can
oh do these mormons disclaim that jesus could have visited china or india or other places...my friend who is mormon said that he believes he did visit other places.....
Yeah pretty much mormons believe that god could have visited people all over the world. They refrence a scripture in the new testament and book of mormon that says something to the effect 'other sheep I have which are not of this fold.'
why don't people preach what they beleive instead of bashing all other religions....i mean freedom of religion means free to choose how one worships....i am just thinking that there is a lot bashing against this religion....why not bash other religions too? it just shows to me that people are very insecure about their own beleifs if they have to prove other peoples beleifs are wrong....
Joseph Smith was introduced to Masonry after 1840. However, Joseph Smith received the current LDS TEmple Ceremony in the early 1830's. There is no conflict here and this fact is well documented.
LDS (Mormon) families teach there kids from the Bible and the Book of Mormon right from birth. We also teach kids from the D&C, PofGP. Anyway your original understanding is wrong and I am here to correct that. Kindest REgards
The always say the BofM is true and that JoSmith was a true prophet.
2 major facts that the mormon faith stands on. They need to believe that because they are fed that since they were babies. A child in the LDS faith is given the BofM not the Holy Bible. They are only given the Bible as a collection of Scriptures when they are baptized. They all are also taught to be married in the Temple at the 8 year olds baptism. LEARNING about marriage at 8 people.
If it's true that Husbands and Wives would go off to create their own earth/world then I won't be with God and Jesus anyway. My children would be off with their spouses on their own world/earth as well, so I would not be with them.
Dear lady, you are very wrong. You say that if Mormonism isn't true you have nothing to lose because you will just end up in the Terrestrial Kingdom. That is very wrong. You will not be in the presence of your Heavenly Parents, you will not be able to be married or maintain your family status with your earth family. That is quite a loss. Quite a loss indeed.
If Mormonism is true, which it is, then she does have something to lose from going to the Terrestrial Kingdom, and she said she did not. So she got the doctrine wrong as well.
Nope it's not. What kind of God would not let someone into their presence if they've accepted his son, Jesus Christ as their Savoir and Lord over their lives? The Mormon god that's who. He doesn't care that you've accepted his son, you have to accept the Mormon prophets, and everything that Mormonism is about as well. For the LDS it isn't just Jesus, it's Jesus and LDS prophets, Jesus and temple ceremonies, Jesus and ..........
So even though you may accept Jesus as you Savior, but you don't believe Joseph was a prophet you can't be with Jesus when you die? It's all are nothing? You have to accept Mormonism 100%?
You will only go so far in the next life. You will see Christ if you are in the Terrestrial Kingdom, but you miss out on a lot if you do not accept and embrace the gospel of Christ. I don't see why anyone who accepts Christ as their savior would not want to accept His gospel.
I do accept His gospel. The Bible is calling the "living Word". It wasn't just writing for the people long ago, it's for us today. God does speak to us today through his living Word.
As far as the LDS take on Christ's gospel. If there's even a chance that I would have to share my husband in the Celestial Kingdom with other women, then I would take the Terrestrial Kingdom.
MistyAnn0414, you've got it wrong about the "mormon doctrine" regarding going to heaven. It is simply this. It's better to be one foot out of hell heading in the right direction than a 1000 miles from hell heading in the wrong direction. You're saved by the Lord's Grace after ALL you can do. You can't earn your way to heaven, you have to rely on the Lord. THAT'S THE MORMON DOCTRINE!!! It always has been.
That's just it dwkuhnen, if you have to DO something it's not Grace anymore. In Mormonism you are saved by Jesus and......, Jesus and tithing, Jesus and temple works, Jesus and obedience to the Word of Wisdom. Mormonism IS a works based system. Your church leaders don't fully understand Grace, if they did you would not have list of questions to answer before going to the temple.
You repent of your sins because of the change Jesus has made in your heart. It ALL comes from Jesus, not us. Once he gives us a regenerated heart, anything good that we do comes from Him.
I have never heard of the term "regenerated heart" in the Bible. You'll have to point that one out to me. Nevertheless, after the Lord gives you a regenerated heart, what happens if you sin again?
Don't respond to joseph...he is a jackass. He has no brain and just repeats what other anit-LDS morons state.
BTW....you need to take up your issues with the Lord...not us.
If you read in Gen. when Hagger was "so unhappy" she went into the desert, but the angel commanded her to turn back? Also, I am sure the wives given to David by God were also very unhappy as well. Please explain those to me? Go easy on plural marriage. If it wasn't for plural marriage, Jesus would not be born!
dupe1861 You could say that if it wasn't for rape and incest that many people would not be born either.Does that make that credible and of God too then in your reasoning ? Look at all the births outside of marriage too ( Fornication ) does that make that credible and of God too then in your reasoning?
Are you Linda's minder or something ? is she not capable of being independant? Are you excercising your Bogus Priesthood Authority on her ?
No, our temple ceremonies are not EXACT duplications of Masonic rituals, and with many Masonic Mormons, we know what we are talking about.
If we are wrong, we are still going to heaven because we embrace the ONLY Jesus Christ. And you know what? I must follow God the way I believe GOD wants me to, NOT the way YOU want or think I should. I'm NOT going to follow YOU, over God. Sorry, sis.
LINDALDS How are you following God ? By lying to Investigators ? By siding and defending an organisation that lies to its own members and the public.That hides its real beliefs from people.
You don't really believe in Jesus Christ , you are believers of Joseph Smith and his version of Jesus Christ.A Jesus Christ who he said forced him to marry his teenage housemaids,14 year old girls , his members wives , ask for his members wives etc .
I don't lie to anyone. I resent that greatly. You don't know me, you don't know us, we don't lie. If someone lies, it does come back to bite them. What lies have we told the public? What do we hide? And don't say the temple, that's not hiding, it's protecting.
Again, being sealed was not hte same as being married. I don't know why you want to pervert something that was not perverted.
Linalds those women sealed to Joseph were MARRIED to him . Why are mormon women not be sealed to mormon men then in the Temple right now .They are only being sealed to Husbands in the full sense of marriage or relatives and not someone elses husband.
The church lies about its real History.I was taught a pack of lies.
Back then, they believed that most women had to be SEALED to a prophet or apostle, even if they were MARRIED to someone else. They know better now, I guess, God must have straightened us out.
Linalds Thats not true.Orson Pratt was suicidal when he learnt that Joseph Smith had proposed mariage to his wife whilst he was on a mission.Sarah Pratt refused Joseph Smith.
Also why did Joseph Smith marry Orson Hydes wife when she was already maried to an Apostle ?
Why did Joseph Smith ask Jane Law(wife of first Presidency councillor William Law)for half her love via marriage to him ?
1. Learn about public speaking. Her Q&A presentation was awful. She stumbles over herself and has the public speaking skills of a high schooler.
2. Why have someone who is not LDS lead a Q&A secession about the LDS church? Tell you what, lets have Michael Jordan come and speak to us about how to play professional football. Doesn't make much sense.
3. Learn what you are talking about! I counted over 5 lies/misconceptions during her presentation.
So we have an anti-Christian Brit who thinks he actually knows something about the church of God.
I could care less what you actually think. You are posting videos of idiots asking "What should I say to my Mormon friends?"...LOL. They are stupid as you are. Much like the US did to your sorry excuse of a country 2 times...I would be more than happy to embarass you on youtube.
Whatever the case may be, don't put a mentally handicapped person attempting a false Q&A secession.
I went to an evanglical service once, expecting to find Jesus Christ. Instead, I looked into the eyes of the pastor and found SAtan there. I found a bunch of "drug addicts" only instead of marijuana or heroin, they were getting hypnotized by their brainwashing pastor. It was truly scary.
I found it to be a fraud with willing naive victims who in turn manipulate others. (not all chruches, mind you, just this one.)
Lindalds religion is more fanatical over in the USA than it is here in the UK.
Your 'negative' experience of an Evangelical church doesn't make the LDS one correct.
At least The Pastor should be sticking to biblical Theology.I found that Mormon belief does not accept biblical teachings really and instead just use it if it appears to support their organisation.
The real LDS beliefs are actually from Joseph Smiths writings or sayings and not really from the new testament .
When I was Methodist, I did study the Bible, and realized that what they, and other protestant churches taught was not of the Bible. It wasn't until I started talking with the LDS missionaries that I realized I had found the most Biblical church.
It's all in how you interpret the Bible. I find that the more I read the Bible, the more I know I am right where God wants me. Joseph Smith was a prophet of JEsus Christ and that's Who he taught.
DYK, JS taught more from the Bible, than the B. of M.?
Joseph Smith married other mens wives - thats not biblical,
Joseph Smith asked for other mens wives - thats biblical,
Joseph Smith taught a 14 year old teen girl that she needs to marry him for her own sake and her family's sake to be with Heavenly Father - thats biblical,
Lindalds They were MARRIAGES not sealings and he roomed/bedded with some that we know of.
If they were just sealings as you suggest then why would Emma be angry and why keep it secret? their was no secrecyabout family members being sealed ? It was all polygamous mariages in the fullest sense.Hyrum Smith and others were secretly 'calling' young girls into their shady sleazy polygamous relationships.
There were a couple/three that he actually married, including Eliza Snow. Emma was always in two minds about it. On the one hand, she accepted her husband as prophet and that God had commanded him to plural marriage, but, she was, understandably, jealous also. But, as far as anyone knows, he never wedded/bedded the ones that already had a husband.
why did Joseph Smith name the Prophet Onandagus in the Zelph story after a county in new york near Palmyra ny, Onandaga county ?? why did he use the names of towns and cities fron new york for place names in the BOM, eg Angola, it was a postal station in 1820 named by the Quakers for their missionary work in Africa, is Angola a Hebrew word? Egyptian ?
lindals How come you have not heard of Zelph ? joseph Smith had a revelation about this WHITE Lamanite warrior who served under the prophet Onandagus .
In reality he just made it up like everything else .He got the idea for the prophets name from a local area of Onandaga county ... and the name Zelph he just made it up .
It was typical of Joseph Smith to claim to have revelations when in reality he never had any.
lindalds This revelation is in the History Of The Church.He also got revelation that God was once a man and that is not in your scriptures either and you teach it in the new Joseph Smith manual.
What about Brigham Youngs revelation that God is a Polygamist with many wives , thats not in your scriptures either and yet Brigham enforced it on young teen LDS girls by arranging their marriages to very OLD men like him.
History of the church is made up of other people's journals, etc. It's not canonized, because it's mostly he said that he said that he said it.
And BY never arranged marriages between young teen girls and old men. And he was not always old, let alone VERY old. As far as I know, all of his wives were of age. He always said that if a woman was unhappy in her marriage, she should be granted a divorce, if she wanted it. There is no record that he ever forced marriage on anyone.
Sealing them is not forcing anyone to do anything. He's merely saying that he is marrying them together. Not that he is forcing anyone to do anything they do not want to do.
He also said, in that talk, that if the ONLY reason for plural marriage was to satisfy the "passions" of men, then he would rather that God not only ended it, but made them like the shakers, who didn't believe in sexual intercourse at all.
Other than the part where BY said he SEALED them which does not mean force or coerce or whatever, what proof do you have of anyone being threatened to do what they did not wnat to do? You can't.
The proof is in the JOD's , there are constant threats against grumbling polygamous wives... Threats of hell and threats of being single for eternity while Brigham Young finds fresh wives in CK.
Brigham Young - Journal Of Discourses VOL 17 page 159
Brother George A. Smith has been reading a little out of the revelation concerning celestial marriage, and I want to say to my sisters that if you lift you heels against this revelation, and say that you would obliterate it, and put it out of existence if you had the power to nullify and destroy it, I SAY THAT IF YOU IMBIBE THAT SPIRIT AND FEELING, YOU WILL GO TO HELL, JUST AS SURE AS YOU ARE LIVING WOMEN
from the same talk: "...the woman that bears wrong—and any number of them do in this order—patiently, will be crowned with a man far above her husband; and the man that is not worthy, and who does not prove himself worthy before God, his wife or wives will be taken from him and given to another, so the woman need not worry. It is the man who has need to worry and watch himself, and see that he does right."
Yes wives were taken from other men , those men who didn't obey Brigham Young would have their wives taken from them.Being worthy meant obeying Brigham Young and his lunatic teachings.
It was just a sick cult.These men became full of self righteousness and even thought themselves they could take young girls into marriage by coersing them , scaring them , manipulating them.
and you are trying to defend this and even justify it?
Because it's not how you pervert it. You read what you want to read, interpret it how you want to interpret it, and refuse to be swayed by anything resembling the truth.
You know, the women as a rule were more FOR plural marriage than the men were. Despite the tone of some of BY's talks, most LDS women supported plural marriage. Many of JS's plural wives were married to others but never consummated them, they loved Joseph that much. And many of BY's widowsnever remarried.
Why do you think that so many women supported plural marriage? Why did some men take a second wife at their first wife's request?
And, why did Joseph Smith not have any children by his subsequent wives? Probably because there was no SEX involved.
If you think it's sick, you have never ever been involved at all, because I find it to be totally the opposite. You want to see it as sick so you find things to see as sick. And that's so sad. I'm so sad for you.
lindalds Ant women who supposedly supported polygamy were pressured into it.Their are lots of wome in our ward who support the teaching that blacks were the less valiant spirits.Are they correct also ? Its clear that many first wives were against it and the Leaders just IGNORED them .
Why didn't Joseph Smith consumate his mariages when its ays in D&C that they are given him to multiply and replenish ?And also that they must be virgins too !No need to be sad for me.
Yes wives were taken from other men , those men who didn't obey Brigham Young would have their wives taken from them.Being worthy meant obeying Brigham Young and his lunatic teachings.
It was just a sick cult.These men became full of self righteousness and even thought themselves they could take young girls into marriage by coersing them , scaring them , manipulating them.
and you are trying to defend this and even justify it?
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Since there were prophets AFTER the death of Christ, IN THE BIBLE, then these verses do not prove that there are to be no more prophets. Like I said, when have we ever needed prophets more than now? Why would God leave us, as Paul said, as children tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine? Have we come to a perfecting of the Saints? a unity of the faith?
Not hardly! If anything, the church has never been more fractured.
2. no, this was never taught by our leaders, only their opinions. The CHURCH never gave an official reason why blacks were not given the priesthood until 1978.
3. this is not "taught" either. Never was. We don't even know for sure if Joseph Smith ever said this.
4. Sealing, not marrying.
5. Orson Pratt did what he thought right. This was the exception, not the rule.
6. could be, could be not, but it's not "taught" either.
They became pedophiles once they saw how much control they had over them.Obedience is still the key word in Mormonism , I heard it all the time in church.
They became pedophiles once they saw how much control they had over them.Obedience is still the key word in Mormonism , I heard it all the time in church.
Nobody really cares what you think. You are an English azzhole who needs to get a life. Instead of slamming the church of God, worry about fixing the thousands of mistakes the British empire made during the imperialism of darkness. You got it moron!!!!
So I am a loser and not worthy? Because you have never cracked a Bible open in your life, I will share with you a scripture in Matt 7:1. "Judge not that ye be not judged". If I am not a Mormon, then you are not a Christian as you are in direct violation of God's word and commandments. Jesus said: "By their fruits, ye shall know them" Thanks for showing everyone on this board who and what you are: A liar, hypocrite and worker of the devil!! Sorry, but your fruit testifies against you!!!
Those marrying young teenage girls , included , Brigham Young , Heber C Kimball , Orson Pratt ,I will email you details and also research the others. They wewre caling teen girls to marriage while in their old age and concieving with them.
Can you imagine how it must have felt for the first wife to see all this.
Its a terrible thing to do to your wife and despicable,
So much for Mormon men being good,
They were pretty sick and deluded with their own narcissistic self righteousness.
Those marrying young teenage girls , included , Brigham Young , Heber C Kimball , Orson Pratt ,I will email you details and also research the others. They wewre caling teen girls to marriage while in their old age and concieving with them.
Can you imagine how it must have felt for the first wife to see all this.
Its a terrible thing to do to your wife and despicable,
So much for Mormon men being good,
They were pretty sick and deluded with their own narcissistic self righteousness.
NOTE TO ALL VIEWERS: The reason we had so many chairs setup is because we had a LOT more people at the event prior to the Question and Answer time. Since we ended up going an hour overtime, only a few stayed for the Q & A.
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How is it that Joseph quoted a man who was not even born yet in 1 Nephi 22:20? Here he says he is quoting Moses however what he quotes is actually a paraphrase of Moses from Peter in Acts 3:22. I believe if he wanted to quote what Moses was saying here, he should have quoted Deuteronomy 18:15-18, shouldn't he? (see date at the bottom of the page in your BOM)
MustangMinistries2 3 months ago in playlist LDS Questions: Answering Questions Your Mormon Friends Ask
this woman does not think the Americas were occupied 2,000 years ago? The native Americans who came from Asia during the ice age were here long before the Vikings were.
rd1999 11 months ago
so.......are mormons going to hell?
eltigre2169 1 year ago
Do you really believe that only LDS Christians is the only ones going to heaven? I am in my search for the right Christan, and I do not believe that only LDS is going to make it to heaven.
geraldlee33 1 year ago
@geraldlee33 Only those who trust in Jesus alone for salvation will make it to heaven. Mormons, JW's do not do this they are a cult. I would suggest you look up ADam's Road video's here on youtube and then contact them.They are true Christians.
savedbygrace1972 1 year ago
The Native American teach and talk about a man in white rob coming here on this soul healing people, He is called the healing hand. I think the Lord came here to teach Native Americans about eternal life.
geraldlee33 1 year ago
Has anyone of these people know about Islam? Hello? Ever heard of Islam? Please read the Quran ONCE and then you'll NEVER EVER look back at Christianity, Mormanism, LDS or any other religion. Islam is simple. It has no twists, tricks OR membership. Islam says: There is ONE God, without a son, wife, parents etc. It says believe in all prophets from Adam, Noah to Abrahim, Jesus to Muhammad (Peace be upon them all), to believe in Heaven and Hell and all angels and to worship God alone. Simple...
ManzGun 2 years ago
3:36, dude the main point of testimony is to testify of christ and his gospel, then you add the other stuff to make it *pretty*!
BenihimeUchiha 3 years ago 3
Were their people in America around 32AD? She says no? Uh...there were plenty.
bduryea 3 years ago 2
A bunch of wanna be intelectuals.
fletchenator1 3 years ago
Reasoning about shooting for the terrestrial kindom is flawed.
according to mormons for those people that dont make it to the celestial kingdom aka "heaven" they will experience weeping and wailing and nashing of teeth. And the big thing is that they believe they will be cut off from gods prescence. They feel that only people who have promised to come unto christ and witness this by being baptised by a servent authorized by christ to perform the baptism will make it to the celestial kindom.
mvonnied 3 years ago 2
Exactly. When she says that she completely misrepresents the doctrine. She was using Pascal's wager to say we should all become "Christians" because if we don't we lose all. On the other hand, if Mormonism is true she doesn't lose anything because she can just go to another kingdom. In reality, she will lose VERY much. The kingdoms aren't the same and it isn't "okay" if she ends up in the Terrestrial. It was a complete misrepresentation. Not to mention that Pascal's wager is dumb because you can
EverASurprise 3 years ago
turn that onto any other religion or denomination.
EverASurprise 3 years ago
oh do these mormons disclaim that jesus could have visited china or india or other places...my friend who is mormon said that he believes he did visit other places.....
joahbalboah 3 years ago
Yeah pretty much mormons believe that god could have visited people all over the world. They refrence a scripture in the new testament and book of mormon that says something to the effect 'other sheep I have which are not of this fold.'
mvonnied 3 years ago
Yes, He did go to other places. See 3 Nephi 16:1-3
EverASurprise 3 years ago 4
why don't people preach what they beleive instead of bashing all other religions....i mean freedom of religion means free to choose how one worships....i am just thinking that there is a lot bashing against this religion....why not bash other religions too? it just shows to me that people are very insecure about their own beleifs if they have to prove other peoples beleifs are wrong....
joahbalboah 3 years ago
Joseph Smith was introduced to Masonry after 1840. However, Joseph Smith received the current LDS TEmple Ceremony in the early 1830's. There is no conflict here and this fact is well documented.
dwkuhnen 3 years ago 2
uSoBayArea,
LDS (Mormon) families teach there kids from the Bible and the Book of Mormon right from birth. We also teach kids from the D&C, PofGP. Anyway your original understanding is wrong and I am here to correct that. Kindest REgards
dwkuhnen 3 years ago
Towards mormon testimonies:
The always say the BofM is true and that JoSmith was a true prophet.
2 major facts that the mormon faith stands on. They need to believe that because they are fed that since they were babies. A child in the LDS faith is given the BofM not the Holy Bible. They are only given the Bible as a collection of Scriptures when they are baptized. They all are also taught to be married in the Temple at the 8 year olds baptism. LEARNING about marriage at 8 people.
uSoBayArea 3 years ago
My testimony is not the same, if you want TRUE Q and A about Mormons, ask a Mormon.
chawnce 3 years ago
If it's true that Husbands and Wives would go off to create their own earth/world then I won't be with God and Jesus anyway. My children would be off with their spouses on their own world/earth as well, so I would not be with them.
MistyAnn0414 4 years ago
Dear lady, you are very wrong. You say that if Mormonism isn't true you have nothing to lose because you will just end up in the Terrestrial Kingdom. That is very wrong. You will not be in the presence of your Heavenly Parents, you will not be able to be married or maintain your family status with your earth family. That is quite a loss. Quite a loss indeed.
EverASurprise 4 years ago
Well, since Mormonism isn't true, if she is indeed saved she will be with her Lord and Savior, also with her saved loved ones as well.
MistyAnn0414 4 years ago
If Mormonism is true, which it is, then she does have something to lose from going to the Terrestrial Kingdom, and she said she did not. So she got the doctrine wrong as well.
EverASurprise 4 years ago
Nope it's not. What kind of God would not let someone into their presence if they've accepted his son, Jesus Christ as their Savoir and Lord over their lives? The Mormon god that's who. He doesn't care that you've accepted his son, you have to accept the Mormon prophets, and everything that Mormonism is about as well. For the LDS it isn't just Jesus, it's Jesus and LDS prophets, Jesus and temple ceremonies, Jesus and ..........
MistyAnn0414 4 years ago
That is Christ's gospel. If you accept Him, you should accept his gospel.
EverASurprise 4 years ago
So even though you may accept Jesus as you Savior, but you don't believe Joseph was a prophet you can't be with Jesus when you die? It's all are nothing? You have to accept Mormonism 100%?
MistyAnn0414 4 years ago
You will only go so far in the next life. You will see Christ if you are in the Terrestrial Kingdom, but you miss out on a lot if you do not accept and embrace the gospel of Christ. I don't see why anyone who accepts Christ as their savior would not want to accept His gospel.
EverASurprise 4 years ago
I do accept His gospel. The Bible is calling the "living Word". It wasn't just writing for the people long ago, it's for us today. God does speak to us today through his living Word.
As far as the LDS take on Christ's gospel. If there's even a chance that I would have to share my husband in the Celestial Kingdom with other women, then I would take the Terrestrial Kingdom.
MistyAnn0414 4 years ago
Well that is why we have agency, you choose your way and I choose mine.
EverASurprise 4 years ago
MistyAnn0414, you've got it wrong about the "mormon doctrine" regarding going to heaven. It is simply this. It's better to be one foot out of hell heading in the right direction than a 1000 miles from hell heading in the wrong direction. You're saved by the Lord's Grace after ALL you can do. You can't earn your way to heaven, you have to rely on the Lord. THAT'S THE MORMON DOCTRINE!!! It always has been.
dwkuhnen 3 years ago
That's just it dwkuhnen, if you have to DO something it's not Grace anymore. In Mormonism you are saved by Jesus and......, Jesus and tithing, Jesus and temple works, Jesus and obedience to the Word of Wisdom. Mormonism IS a works based system. Your church leaders don't fully understand Grace, if they did you would not have list of questions to answer before going to the temple.
MistyAnn0414 3 years ago
Okay....if you don't have to DO anything and all you have to do his have faith in the Lord, then where does repentence fit in? (See Acts 2:38)
dwkuhnen 3 years ago
You repent of your sins because of the change Jesus has made in your heart. It ALL comes from Jesus, not us. Once he gives us a regenerated heart, anything good that we do comes from Him.
MistyAnn0414 3 years ago
I have never heard of the term "regenerated heart" in the Bible. You'll have to point that one out to me. Nevertheless, after the Lord gives you a regenerated heart, what happens if you sin again?
dwkuhnen 3 years ago
Lindalds
Don't respond to joseph...he is a jackass. He has no brain and just repeats what other anit-LDS morons state.
BTW....you need to take up your issues with the Lord...not us.
If you read in Gen. when Hagger was "so unhappy" she went into the desert, but the angel commanded her to turn back? Also, I am sure the wives given to David by God were also very unhappy as well. Please explain those to me? Go easy on plural marriage. If it wasn't for plural marriage, Jesus would not be born!
duke1861 4 years ago
dupe1861 You could say that if it wasn't for rape and incest that many people would not be born either.Does that make that credible and of God too then in your reasoning ? Look at all the births outside of marriage too ( Fornication ) does that make that credible and of God too then in your reasoning?
Are you Linda's minder or something ? is she not capable of being independant? Are you excercising your Bogus Priesthood Authority on her ?
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Oh, for heaven's sake! duke1861 has no control over me, and he knows it! And I doubt he really cares to!
lindalds 4 years ago
No, our temple ceremonies are not EXACT duplications of Masonic rituals, and with many Masonic Mormons, we know what we are talking about.
If we are wrong, we are still going to heaven because we embrace the ONLY Jesus Christ. And you know what? I must follow God the way I believe GOD wants me to, NOT the way YOU want or think I should. I'm NOT going to follow YOU, over God. Sorry, sis.
lindalds 4 years ago
LINDALDS How are you following God ? By lying to Investigators ? By siding and defending an organisation that lies to its own members and the public.That hides its real beliefs from people.
You don't really believe in Jesus Christ , you are believers of Joseph Smith and his version of Jesus Christ.A Jesus Christ who he said forced him to marry his teenage housemaids,14 year old girls , his members wives , ask for his members wives etc .
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
I don't lie to anyone. I resent that greatly. You don't know me, you don't know us, we don't lie. If someone lies, it does come back to bite them. What lies have we told the public? What do we hide? And don't say the temple, that's not hiding, it's protecting.
Again, being sealed was not hte same as being married. I don't know why you want to pervert something that was not perverted.
lindalds 4 years ago
Linalds those women sealed to Joseph were MARRIED to him . Why are mormon women not be sealed to mormon men then in the Temple right now .They are only being sealed to Husbands in the full sense of marriage or relatives and not someone elses husband.
The church lies about its real History.I was taught a pack of lies.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Back then, they believed that most women had to be SEALED to a prophet or apostle, even if they were MARRIED to someone else. They know better now, I guess, God must have straightened us out.
lindalds 4 years ago
Linalds Thats not true.Orson Pratt was suicidal when he learnt that Joseph Smith had proposed mariage to his wife whilst he was on a mission.Sarah Pratt refused Joseph Smith.
Also why did Joseph Smith marry Orson Hydes wife when she was already maried to an Apostle ?
Why did Joseph Smith ask Jane Law(wife of first Presidency councillor William Law)for half her love via marriage to him ?
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
LOL...who is this idiot? Couple things here:
1. Learn about public speaking. Her Q&A presentation was awful. She stumbles over herself and has the public speaking skills of a high schooler.
2. Why have someone who is not LDS lead a Q&A secession about the LDS church? Tell you what, lets have Michael Jordan come and speak to us about how to play professional football. Doesn't make much sense.
3. Learn what you are talking about! I counted over 5 lies/misconceptions during her presentation.
duke1861 4 years ago
duke maybe you can check my videos for accuracy then .
What lies/misconceptions did she speak about ?
I think its you who has been decieved by your own church's propaganda.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
You aren't going to give us that lame "You Mormons don't know what you believe" line, are you?
lindalds 4 years ago
So we have an anti-Christian Brit who thinks he actually knows something about the church of God.
I could care less what you actually think. You are posting videos of idiots asking "What should I say to my Mormon friends?"...LOL. They are stupid as you are. Much like the US did to your sorry excuse of a country 2 times...I would be more than happy to embarass you on youtube.
Whatever the case may be, don't put a mentally handicapped person attempting a false Q&A secession.
duke1861 4 years ago
What are your qualifications for answering for what Mormons believe? I would think that if you want to know what Mormons believe, you ask Mormons.
lindalds 4 years ago
lindalds I went to ask The mormons what they believe ( for two full years) .In return
1 I was duped ( milk before meat).
2 Pressured for baptism.
3 Was taught factual errors by members who haven't a clue.
4 Was called into the Bishops office and asked not to show my research to anyone , especially the offensive Black skin hate teachings.
5 was asked to ignore reality and facts and focus on feelings ? I found it to be a fraud with willing naive victims who in turn manipulate others.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
I went to an evanglical service once, expecting to find Jesus Christ. Instead, I looked into the eyes of the pastor and found SAtan there. I found a bunch of "drug addicts" only instead of marijuana or heroin, they were getting hypnotized by their brainwashing pastor. It was truly scary.
I found it to be a fraud with willing naive victims who in turn manipulate others. (not all chruches, mind you, just this one.)
lindalds 4 years ago
Lindalds religion is more fanatical over in the USA than it is here in the UK.
Your 'negative' experience of an Evangelical church doesn't make the LDS one correct.
At least The Pastor should be sticking to biblical Theology.I found that Mormon belief does not accept biblical teachings really and instead just use it if it appears to support their organisation.
The real LDS beliefs are actually from Joseph Smiths writings or sayings and not really from the new testament .
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
When I was Methodist, I did study the Bible, and realized that what they, and other protestant churches taught was not of the Bible. It wasn't until I started talking with the LDS missionaries that I realized I had found the most Biblical church.
It's all in how you interpret the Bible. I find that the more I read the Bible, the more I know I am right where God wants me. Joseph Smith was a prophet of JEsus Christ and that's Who he taught.
DYK, JS taught more from the Bible, than the B. of M.?
lindalds 4 years ago
Joseph Smith married other mens wives - thats not biblical,
Joseph Smith asked for other mens wives - thats biblical,
Joseph Smith taught a 14 year old teen girl that she needs to marry him for her own sake and her family's sake to be with Heavenly Father - thats biblical,
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
He was sealed to them, not necessarily married, like he was to Emma.
He was a prophet of God. The Bible never says no more prophets. Never have we needed prophets more than we do now.
lindalds 4 years ago
Lindalds They were MARRIAGES not sealings and he roomed/bedded with some that we know of.
If they were just sealings as you suggest then why would Emma be angry and why keep it secret? their was no secrecyabout family members being sealed ? It was all polygamous mariages in the fullest sense.Hyrum Smith and others were secretly 'calling' young girls into their shady sleazy polygamous relationships.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
There were a couple/three that he actually married, including Eliza Snow. Emma was always in two minds about it. On the one hand, she accepted her husband as prophet and that God had commanded him to plural marriage, but, she was, understandably, jealous also. But, as far as anyone knows, he never wedded/bedded the ones that already had a husband.
lindalds 4 years ago
why did Joseph Smith name the Prophet Onandagus in the Zelph story after a county in new york near Palmyra ny, Onandaga county ?? why did he use the names of towns and cities fron new york for place names in the BOM, eg Angola, it was a postal station in 1820 named by the Quakers for their missionary work in Africa, is Angola a Hebrew word? Egyptian ?
digestezine 4 years ago
WHAT in the world are you talking about??
lindalds 4 years ago
lindals How come you have not heard of Zelph ? joseph Smith had a revelation about this WHITE Lamanite warrior who served under the prophet Onandagus .
In reality he just made it up like everything else .He got the idea for the prophets name from a local area of Onandaga county ... and the name Zelph he just made it up .
It was typical of Joseph Smith to claim to have revelations when in reality he never had any.
Do some research .
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
If he had this revelation, then why is it not in our scriptures? IF it were of God, it would be in our scriptures.
lindalds 4 years ago
lindalds This revelation is in the History Of The Church.He also got revelation that God was once a man and that is not in your scriptures either and you teach it in the new Joseph Smith manual.
What about Brigham Youngs revelation that God is a Polygamist with many wives , thats not in your scriptures either and yet Brigham enforced it on young teen LDS girls by arranging their marriages to very OLD men like him.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
History of the church is made up of other people's journals, etc. It's not canonized, because it's mostly he said that he said that he said it.
And BY never arranged marriages between young teen girls and old men. And he was not always old, let alone VERY old. As far as I know, all of his wives were of age. He always said that if a woman was unhappy in her marriage, she should be granted a divorce, if she wanted it. There is no record that he ever forced marriage on anyone.
lindalds 4 years ago
JOD VOL 9 page 37 Brigham Young - Young girls given in marriage to Old Men
How will you be happy? Love the Giver more than the gift. Delight
yourselves in your duties, mothers. Here are the MIDDLE-AGED and the YOUNG. I am now almost daily sealing YOUNG GIRLS TO MEN OF AGE and experience
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Sealing them is not forcing anyone to do anything. He's merely saying that he is marrying them together. Not that he is forcing anyone to do anything they do not want to do.
He also said, in that talk, that if the ONLY reason for plural marriage was to satisfy the "passions" of men, then he would rather that God not only ended it, but made them like the shakers, who didn't believe in sexual intercourse at all.
lindalds 4 years ago
What young girl would want to marry an OLD polyagmous man ?
They were called into it and threatened with Hell .Its rape justified of God just like Warren jeffs is still doing today.
There is no reason for it whatsoever .these men were deluded narcissistic megalomaniacs.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Other than the part where BY said he SEALED them which does not mean force or coerce or whatever, what proof do you have of anyone being threatened to do what they did not wnat to do? You can't.
lindalds 4 years ago
The proof is in the JOD's , there are constant threats against grumbling polygamous wives... Threats of hell and threats of being single for eternity while Brigham Young finds fresh wives in CK.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Brigham Young - Journal Of Discourses VOL 17 page 159
Brother George A. Smith has been reading a little out of the revelation concerning celestial marriage, and I want to say to my sisters that if you lift you heels against this revelation, and say that you would obliterate it, and put it out of existence if you had the power to nullify and destroy it, I SAY THAT IF YOU IMBIBE THAT SPIRIT AND FEELING, YOU WILL GO TO HELL, JUST AS SURE AS YOU ARE LIVING WOMEN
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
from the same talk: "...the woman that bears wrong—and any number of them do in this order—patiently, will be crowned with a man far above her husband; and the man that is not worthy, and who does not prove himself worthy before God, his wife or wives will be taken from him and given to another, so the woman need not worry. It is the man who has need to worry and watch himself, and see that he does right."
lindalds 4 years ago
Lindalds
Yes wives were taken from other men , those men who didn't obey Brigham Young would have their wives taken from them.Being worthy meant obeying Brigham Young and his lunatic teachings.
It was just a sick cult.These men became full of self righteousness and even thought themselves they could take young girls into marriage by coersing them , scaring them , manipulating them.
and you are trying to defend this and even justify it?
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Because it's not how you pervert it. You read what you want to read, interpret it how you want to interpret it, and refuse to be swayed by anything resembling the truth.
You know, the women as a rule were more FOR plural marriage than the men were. Despite the tone of some of BY's talks, most LDS women supported plural marriage. Many of JS's plural wives were married to others but never consummated them, they loved Joseph that much. And many of BY's widowsnever remarried.
lindalds 4 years ago
Linfalds The women were not for Plural marriage. Just ask about in our ward like I have done and most of them are depressed about it.
It all stemmed from Brigham Young teaching that ONLY those who enter POLYGAMY will become GODS.He also taught that ADAM IS GOD.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
I said the women BACK THEN wanted it. Why wouldn't they? BACK THEN it was much better for a woman to be married than single.
lindalds 4 years ago
Why do you think that so many women supported plural marriage? Why did some men take a second wife at their first wife's request?
And, why did Joseph Smith not have any children by his subsequent wives? Probably because there was no SEX involved.
If you think it's sick, you have never ever been involved at all, because I find it to be totally the opposite. You want to see it as sick so you find things to see as sick. And that's so sad. I'm so sad for you.
lindalds 4 years ago
lindalds Ant women who supposedly supported polygamy were pressured into it.Their are lots of wome in our ward who support the teaching that blacks were the less valiant spirits.Are they correct also ? Its clear that many first wives were against it and the Leaders just IGNORED them .
Why didn't Joseph Smith consumate his mariages when its ays in D&C that they are given him to multiply and replenish ?And also that they must be virgins too !No need to be sad for me.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Lindalds
Yes wives were taken from other men , those men who didn't obey Brigham Young would have their wives taken from them.Being worthy meant obeying Brigham Young and his lunatic teachings.
It was just a sick cult.These men became full of self righteousness and even thought themselves they could take young girls into marriage by coersing them , scaring them , manipulating them.
and you are trying to defend this and even justify it?
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Luke 16:16 (King James Version)
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Since there were prophets AFTER the death of Christ, IN THE BIBLE, then these verses do not prove that there are to be no more prophets. Like I said, when have we ever needed prophets more than now? Why would God leave us, as Paul said, as children tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine? Have we come to a perfecting of the Saints? a unity of the faith?
Not hardly! If anything, the church has never been more fractured.
lindalds 4 years ago
what exactly have your prophets taught you then?
1 That Polygamy to them is Gods will .
2 That Blacks are cursed and less valiant.
3 That men live on the moon and Sun.
4 That marrying other mens wives is ok.
5 That concieving with 16 year olds at age 57 is Gods will. ( Orson Pratt and his 10th wife )
6 That God has all his sexual parts and is procreating eternally with polygamous wives in CK.
7 That salvation is only possible by being a Mormon and following Joseph Smith's revelations.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
8 That Adam Is God and The Father Of our Spirits.
9 That the church is perfect and the members are not,so if you are not getting the blessings that are promised then it must be your own fault.
10 That yuo can recieve your own revelation as long as it doesn't disagree with the Leaders ?
11 That the prophet will never lead you astray even though they have been doing for over 180 years.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
8. not taught.
9. That makes no sense. The sky is blue, so if the grass is green, it's not the cow's fault.
10. that you shouldn't take what the prophet says at face value, ask God, and He will confirm it.
11. They haven't led anyone astray. If we go astray, it's cause we do NOT listen to the prophets.
lindalds 4 years ago
1 Plural marriage.
2. no, this was never taught by our leaders, only their opinions. The CHURCH never gave an official reason why blacks were not given the priesthood until 1978.
3. this is not "taught" either. Never was. We don't even know for sure if Joseph Smith ever said this.
4. Sealing, not marrying.
5. Orson Pratt did what he thought right. This was the exception, not the rule.
6. could be, could be not, but it's not "taught" either.
7. Salvation as in exaltation, to the CK.
lindalds 4 years ago
Lots of the leaders were marying teenangers.
Do some research.
They became pedophiles once they saw how much control they had over them.Obedience is still the key word in Mormonism , I heard it all the time in church.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Lots of the leaders were marying teenangers.
Do some research.
They became pedophiles once they saw how much control they had over them.Obedience is still the key word in Mormonism , I heard it all the time in church.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Joseph
Couple of things here.
Nobody really cares what you think. You are an English azzhole who needs to get a life. Instead of slamming the church of God, worry about fixing the thousands of mistakes the British empire made during the imperialism of darkness. You got it moron!!!!
duke1861 4 years ago
duke1861 Well you care enough to comment don't you !
You are not a Mormon , yuo are not worthy enough.I can tell by your insults and cussing.You must be one of them called but not chosen type loosers.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
So I am a loser and not worthy? Because you have never cracked a Bible open in your life, I will share with you a scripture in Matt 7:1. "Judge not that ye be not judged". If I am not a Mormon, then you are not a Christian as you are in direct violation of God's word and commandments. Jesus said: "By their fruits, ye shall know them" Thanks for showing everyone on this board who and what you are: A liar, hypocrite and worker of the devil!! Sorry, but your fruit testifies against you!!!
duke1861 4 years ago
duke Your own church defines you as one of those not doing what they are supposed to be doing.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Why do you respond to his posts instead of attacking him personally?
MistyAnn0414 4 years ago
This was a video of a seminar and the person who posted it isn't the person in the video. And if they are, then it is not shown so I wouldn't know.
EverASurprise 4 years ago
Define "lots". Give me some names and such.
I hear "obedience" all the time, too, but it's obedience to Christ, not to THE CHURCH.
lindalds 4 years ago
Those marrying young teenage girls , included , Brigham Young , Heber C Kimball , Orson Pratt ,I will email you details and also research the others. They wewre caling teen girls to marriage while in their old age and concieving with them.
Can you imagine how it must have felt for the first wife to see all this.
Its a terrible thing to do to your wife and despicable,
So much for Mormon men being good,
They were pretty sick and deluded with their own narcissistic self righteousness.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Those marrying young teenage girls , included , Brigham Young , Heber C Kimball , Orson Pratt ,I will email you details and also research the others. They wewre caling teen girls to marriage while in their old age and concieving with them.
Can you imagine how it must have felt for the first wife to see all this.
Its a terrible thing to do to your wife and despicable,
So much for Mormon men being good,
They were pretty sick and deluded with their own narcissistic self righteousness.
ElderJoseph 4 years ago
Etymology,geography,geneology,and history,exposes this church as being a cult. Come back to Rome friends.
Snotra 4 years ago
Why don't you worry about your own religon and stop bashing others?
fletchenator1 4 years ago
NOTE TO ALL VIEWERS: The reason we had so many chairs setup is because we had a LOT more people at the event prior to the Question and Answer time. Since we ended up going an hour overtime, only a few stayed for the Q & A.
witforjesus 4 years ago
The real story is that no one was there
fletchenator1 3 years ago
where?
BenihimeUchiha 3 years ago
The meeting.
fletchenator1 3 years ago