@GUARDIANtrooper "Proof photos"? GLITCH! During the period known as the "Cold War" (1946-1991) the KGB knew everytime the president relieved himself. They knew everytime the Mayor of New York picked his nose... only an uneducated, conspiracy nut would believe that the Russians wouldn't have known HAD WE FAKED the Moon landings and shot us all to hell in the court of world opinion, yes? The Moon landings were a point of concession for the Soviets. Just addin' ;)
@GUARDIANtrooper If you are so smart what is DST and DSN? I did not explain what they were so you tell me.What do you mean " Educated very well ".I was,thats why I teach.If you are in school or just finished then you still do not know anything about this.Tell me one thing,just one that would make this impossible.Do you know what a J5 is?You show your lack of education very well when you talk about "video & photos of the Soviets & China tracking a object in space,its not done that way.
Idiots with no education think we did not go.The Soviets were our mortal enemy then.They,along with China,would have told the entire world we did not go.They had DST and a series of DSN satellites.They tracked all of the Apollo missions and would have printed it in black and white if we faked any of them.Don't be another dumbass and say no it did not happen.Too much evidence that we did.Other countries right now have got satellites in moon orbit taking photos of the landing sites.
@profsat5 Show me one photo other than that crap that looks like a close up photo of a homemade cake after it was baked with no frosting, what a joke... Why can't we see the crap we left on the moon if we went to the moon in full detail? Our satellites in earths orbit do? Why waste so much money sending satellites taking pictures of the so-called moon sites and send back crapy pictures to show nothing legible enough to understand, when new world tech is so much better than the yesteryears?
@profsat5 Show me one photo other than that crap that looks like a close up photo of a homemade cake after it was baked with no frosting, what a joke... Why can't we see the crap we left on the moon if we went to the moon in full detail? Our satellites in earths orbit do? Why waste so much money sending satellites taking pictures of the so-called moon sites and send back crapy pictures to show nothing legible enough to understand, when new world tech is so much better than the yesteryears?
@profsat5 Show me one photo other than that crap that looks like a close up photo of a homemade cake after it was baked with no frosting, what a joke... Why can't we see the crap we left on the moon if we went to the moon in full detail? Our satellites in earths orbit do? Why waste so much money sending satellites taking pictures of the so-called moon sites and send back crapy pictures to show nothing legible enough to understand, when new world tech is so much better than the yesteryears?
This video is totally on the conspiracy side. I read on Wikipedia that Van Allen claimed that the magnetic belt around the earth is not lethal. Can someone check the source, is this true or not? What about the laser beam reflector on the moon that the astronauts left behind, the explanation on this video is not clear? On the other side, NASA said it would publish a book that would refute the conspiracy theories, but it was never written. So I don't know what to believe.
our future enlightenment will reveal hoaxes like the 'literal jesus' walking on water, or the figure of a man walking on the moon (an image put into our heads) ...but these BS contrived hoaxes do not mean there is not a greater AHA that awaits us....as I believe there is....But the NASA NAZIs are not going to provide the AHA for me.
@trollsareus1 -- The REALLY humorous thing is that laughing like an idiot is the ONLY answer you have to my explanation about protecting from heat transferance from the surface of the moon.
You have no actual response.
You have no real rebuttal.
You have no explanation that would counter mine.
All you can do is laugh.
Tell me: Are you more than 10 years old? If so, then I feel sorry for you. You should be getting over the common juvenile stage of laughing at things you don't understand.
don't ya get it mr. thick boots....we are laughing at you.
You the stupid ignorant human who thinks thick boots will shield and protect astroNOTs on the moon from the heat where there is NO ATMOSPHERE.
You the patrit-idiot who believes all the LIES uncle sam tells him, the wanker who knows all about the Van Allen belts but cannot tell me how many belts there are?
Who actually suggested NASA go looking for the Van Allen belts, it was NOT Van Allen.
the moon has no atmosphere you wanker....it is a very hostile environment....we have ___ belts to protect us from solar winds etc.
there is NOTHING to protect the astroNOTs on the MOON you fool...but hey we have thick boots?
A Commodore 64, thick boots, a thick head and multiple stage rockets, that is your science that got the astroNOTs to the moon and back 6 times and we have done nothing in 40 years?
so we do not need the Van Allen belts to protect us then? and the only reason we have an atmosphere is for bubble headed idiots like you to breathe oxygen?
did they know about the solar wind in the 1960s?
what did they know?
WTF does a wanker like you know about the solar wind?
Remember, you just recently admitted failure about your attempt to make a point about the difference between a single-stage rocket and a multi-stage system. And you're still not showing you know much of anything about heat.
Simple question ... do you dare answer it?
If HEAT would have prevented Apollo from going to the moon, then how has anyone ever been into low earth orbit?
Can you stick to one subject long enough to answer one question about it?
@islandbuoy4 -- "Paranoia"? No. I have no reason to be "paranoid" about anything.
I was just pointing out that you seemed to have a fairly high number of "message deleted" notes attatched to your name and I was wondering why someone would feel the need to hide what they've said.
hey curious wanker WHO LACKS THE ABILITY TO THINK....maybe I wanted to add to the commentary...the only way to do it is to repost and delete the other post....now does an ignorant fucking NASA stooge understand that, or do you need to read it on a NASA website?
@islandbuoy4 -- You're STILL avoiding my most simple questions.
If you have all this "evidence" against Apollo, you really ought to be able to show that you have at least a fundamental understanding of the most simple items you've mentioned.
You already admitted to your failure to have a point about the single-stage rocket.
I was just wondering if you were up to a similar analysis of what you've said about "heat."
SO: Are you up to showing that you have even a fundamental understanding of the subject of heat?
If you don't understand anything about heat, then there's no use at all in going on to anything more complicated, is there?
You've said that heat would be a problem for astronauts on the moon. You've repeatedly asserted that they would need more than physical protection from the dusty surface.
So, please answer this:
IF heat would prevent Apollo going to the moon, HOW has anyone gone into orbit?
Sun-lit side of the moon is totally exposed to solar flares. It has no atmosphere or magnetic field to deflect radiation. Protons rushing at the moon simply hit the ground or whoever might be walking around outside. An astronaut on the moon, caught outdoors on Jan. 20, would have had almost no time to dash for shelter, and would have become sick. At first, he'd feel fine, but a few days later, symptoms of radiation sickness would appear: vomiting, fatigue, low blood counts.
@islandbuoy4, I've asked you for at least four days now to explain your assertion about HEAT.
I've challenged you on the subject of HEAT because if you don't acknowledge your ability to question your own (idiotic) statements about the simple stuff, you have absolutely no hope of understanding or making a case on any subject that is more complex.
@islandbuoy4 -- It's real simple. Either (1) you can back up your own statements and show that you understand the fundamentals of the simple subject of HEAT or (2) you cannot. Which is it?
If the HEAT would have prevented astronauts from visiting the moon, then HOW do they survive in low earth orbit?
Do you understand that the problem of HEAT is the same in both places
Sun-lit side of the moon is totally exposed to solar flares. It has no atmosphere or magnetic field to deflect radiation. Protons rushing at the moon simply hit the ground or whoever might be walking around outside. An astronaut on the moon, caught outdoors on Jan. 20, 2005, would have had almost no time to dash for shelter, and would have become sick. At first, he'd feel fine, but a few days later, symptoms of radiation sickness would appear: vomiting, fatigue, low blood counts.
If you're interested, I have a mere three letter answer to end the conspiracy regarding the moon landings... Feel free to inquire, step right up, yes? Just sayin' ;)
@Innuendoh -- Whether the KGB worked with the CIA or whether they were enemies during the "cold war" era is just as relevant as whether Von Braun ever did or continued to be sympathetic to the principles of Nazism ... it's not relevant to the subject at all.
Neither really has anything at all to do with the engineering of the Apollo project. Every system of it used well known and well documented principles that are in use in dozens of other applications. There is no need for a "hoax."
@islandbuoy4 -- You talk about "obvious truths" but YOU don't even WANT to know the truth even about your own statements. You made this big deal about Von Braun's statement and now that it's been partially explained to you, you're just running away from the whole subject as if you never tried to make a point about it in the first place.
If you don't want to know anything about your subject, you wouldn't be able to recognize the real truth if it bit you in the ass.
@islandbuoy4 said: "STFU U R the same idiot who said that all the astroNOTs needed on the moon to protect them from all kinds of radiation was thick boots."
Nope. WRONG again.
What I REALLY said was all they need to protect themselves from the HEAT of the surface was thick boots. In case you don't understand (and you obviously don't) "heat" is not "all kinds of radiation."
@islandbuoy4 -- I haven't even tried to prove that Apollo went to the moon. And I don't care to do that. It's too much fun just showing your statements to be a pile of bullshit.
For instance, now that, in effect, you've admited one big FAIL on the subject of the rocket's ability to get there, you TRY to make some sort of crap statement about heat and radiation.
But you know about as much about them as you do about the energy needed to get a rocket someplace ...
@islandbuoy4 -- You mention: "convection, conduction, and radiation"
... but what about it?
This idiot troll video that we're posting on shows its maker to be almost 100% clueless. He claims that radiation is the only way to disburse heat in space. NOT TRUE. Radiation is the only way you'll ABSORB heat in space. To disburse it, you can use conduction & convection (or sublimation, which, in effect uses both "conduction" and "convection").
@islandbuoy4 -- And just because some guy called the radiation belts "the death belts" when he guessed that they might be there and before anyone was able to even get close to measuring them, doesn't mean shit about whether Apollo had enough shielding to get through them (or around them) watch?v=YuH4rxda3Z4 and watch?v=z4gSRy1tHls.
You DO know as much about radiation as you do about the energy requirement for rockets, don't you?
that same 'some guy' also invented the technology they use at CERN you wanker.
that is why they stopped spending money on space travel and started investing in a time tunnel....U R an IDIOT (but I should have known that mr. thick boots)
stupidest answer on the internet yet...
you do not even know how many belts there are you stupid human masquerading as a NASA stooge..
@islandbuoy4 ... "time tunnel" ... hahahaha ... Yes. So far it looks like you get ALL of your understanding of science from really bad 1960's SciFi shows.
If you lived in 1938, you probably would have thought the Martians were really landing.
hahahaha ...
Your friend comes and laughs like an idiot at the wrong person.
@prosperomage Nice, to derail somebody arguing the same set of facts... are you for real? If you don't get the revelation I posted by mentioning the KGB, just admit it and ASK, yes? Sheeeeeesh!!! Just sayin' ;)
@prosperomage Not very bright are you? Displaying and asserting YOUR agenda on me as I make the case that the moon landings did INDEED happen is pretty absurd on your part, yes? Just noticin' ;)
@islandbuoy4 I'm the idiot when you're referring to "low blood counts" and carrying on a raging debate without scoring a single scholarly point? It's not my fault that you have the propensity to believe these crazy theories, nor am I responsible to educate you as to WHY the KGB renders your arguments moot, yes? Respond if you agree. Just tellin' ;)
@Innuendoh -- I have no "agenda" with regard to you.
All I said was that the relationship between the KGB & the CIA really has nothing to do with the objective analysis of the engineering of the Apollo project or the physics of the lunar environment.
If you think it does, the, sure ... go a head and say so. Doesn't matter to me. I'm willing to entertain the notion that you may have a case. I don't think it's likely. But I don't generally dismiss something without at least listening.
The Apollo project in fact had more to do with the folks who built the shitty Yugo.
and that is so funny....can't wait till the truth arrives in 2013...Apollo was designed by the same folks who later exported the shitty Yugo to North America....I love happy endings with a twist.
@islandbuoy4 -- Just curious: Did you finally figure out anything about your own statements about Von Braun's explanation of the difference between a single-stage moon rocket and a staged system like Apollo?
If you understand anything about it, you should have discovered by now that the statements quoted from his book by this video SUPPORT the principles of the Apollo system and don't refute it like the ignorant troll who created this video claims.
I knew you wouldn't have an actual answer for me. All you can do when you're questioned about one thing is to jump onto the next piece of idiocy that you're ignorant about. It basically proves you didn't (and probably still don't) want to know anything at all about the energy requirements for traveling in space.
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You can try your Von Braun quote on the next guy, though, and see if he'll be a sucker for your stupid arguments.
One day this narrator may realise how uneducated he is in science and how uncivilised he has acted towards people with extraordinary experiences (to be re-documented and examined by a new generation for sure, but please.....). Spin and propaganda happens with any project of national importance and determining the level of this would have been a valid basis for investigation but this person may have only achieved in making the subjects reluctant to cooperate with responsible journalists..
@eldmils -- If you're talking about Bart Sibrel, then this guy watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig proves that Sibrel took original, publically-available video, edited it out of context, and made up his own lie as a story for the purpose of fooling people into thinking he had "discovered" something.
A side note, Edgar Mitchell was sued by the federal government last summer for trying to auction a camera that he used on the apollo mission at a London auction house. In Octboer it was settled out of court with Mitchell turning the camera over to the Smithsonian.
Sure is a class act. Also he believes in ET's and alleges to have been cured of cancer by a teenage remote healer named "Adam Dreamhealer" yet he thinks people who at all question any aspect of the moon landing are crazy.
@islandbuoy4, You can ONLY act like there is some sort of "evidence" one way or another about the size of a rocket that would be needed to take men to the moon if you wish to remain ignorant of objective reality.
Von Braun's statement about the size of a single-stage rocket has NOTHING to do with Apollo, which didn't use a single-stage rocket.
Your claim about it is like saying: The Wright Flyer wouldn't have flown if it were made out of metal, so how is it possible to make airplanes of metal?
@islandbuoy4 -- you eat up your own "bait" as if it were a Holy Grail of "evidence" while you try to cover up your complete ignorance about what you're even saying.
Never mind.
If you're too stupid to understand anything about the power requirement for getting to the moon, and you're willing to dance around your own ignorance, there's no use in even trying to discuss radiation or anything else.
Von Braun was a NAZI. A stupid one according to you. If he had not died at age 65 there were folks in the US State Department ready to ask his whereabouts during the reign of Hitler....the fearless NAZI hunters in the 1970s were hot on his trail.....
So what? What does that matter one way or the other about whether the Apollo program went to the moon?
Saying: "OMG! He's a NAZI! It must have been faaaaake!!!11" is like saying: "Germany was run by NAZI's in the 1940's there's NO WAY they built the V-2 rocket or the ME262!!!11"
Yeah. He was a Nazi. So what?
Was he still a Nazi? I don't know. I don't care.
The U.S. has lots of scumballs in power. That doesn't mean they don't build stuff.
Ed Mitchell, the 'hero' who went to the moon. He was made of the RIght Stuff we are told. Somebody whose mettle was tested by NASA to make sure he would not *snap* under pressure, out in space. But what did he do when Sibrel turned his back, and bent over?
Ed Mitchell kicked him when his back was turned, in the most vulnerable position of being bent over...?
Ed Mitchell's actions speak louder than words, Ed M is not a hero, he is clearly NOT a class act, but he is an astroNOT.
If Apollo really was a hoax, then why did Bart Sibrel feel the need to LIE when he made up his "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon"? He took publically available video and edited it out of context and told a made-up story in order to fool people into buying his CD's.
@prosperomage I've seen plenty of raw footage myself and I don't evn know who Bart Sibrel is and I never said we didn't go to the moon.
All I said was that Edgar Mitchell should act like the supposed test pilot is. About the only thing that makes me even question this at all is the way they handle themselves. If it's so farcical, then please calmly refute his point.
Also please tell me what video he put out of context; I would like to know. Or are you just making that up?
@StollandSon -- This video uses excerpts from "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" which was produced by Bart Sibrel, who is the guy you see accosting the astronauts. If you're not familiar with it, then we can discuss it later ... or not.
@prosperomage I see what you mean about him cutting out the conversation in between; I was thinking you meant the anomalous space footage. As far as his style, it's very hostile and he probably had it coming to him. The context is important, but at some point the conversation was civil; mitchell literally changed in a second when he was pressed to explain the anomalous clip.
The best way to shut them up is to refute it on the points w/o hyperbolic BS / ad hominem attacks.
@StollandSon, well, yes. I agree with you about ad hominem attacks, although I can understand being frustrated to the point of wanting to do something physical if you're baited enough. It's rather dumb to do anything too bad, though, especially to someone who obviously intends to go and publish whatever he hears or sees.
I know a few test pilots. They're usually a lot more cool and calm than that.
I don't know that much about Mitchel except for second-hand stories about his claims.
@StollandSon -- It's not just the conversation that Sibrel cuts out.
See this video: watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig&
That guy shows an important segment of the video. Sibrel makes it look like they could have been "faking" a distance shot of Earth by putting something over the window.
But in the real, longer segment, you can clearly see that the earth is far in the distance on the outside of the window. Sibrel is clearly lying.
@prosperomage I actually have seen the raw footage in question and what it appears is that they say they are shooting from straight into the window when they are shooting from the other end of the capsule. The blue dot we see as earth could very well be just a close earth through the window with the room blacked out.
The raw footage at least shows they are not accurate about where they say the camera is. Is it a smoking gun? not really...continued
@prosperomage All and all in some way or the other we went to the moon. Be it on apollo, unmanned, or with classified technology, we've been there.
Knowing the way compartmentalization works, I could see them at least retouching certain things so as to not have a live death on TV. At the end of the day, it's a harmless conpsiracy if there is one. Nobody died and if anything it may have saved lives to do it. (cont)
@prosperomage The only thing is that IF that happened in any fashion, the astronauts would be in mortal danger of even talking about it as a possibility. Some things were retouched. There are too many anomalies. But likewise, there's too much hard scientific data that says that we have in one form or another been there. I am not a scientist so I can't comment on the Van Allen Belt or the distances involved. But I do know we can for the sake of national security keep a secret.
@49:00 Mitchell's son says, "Do you want to call the CIA and have him waxed?" That's after they threatened to shoot them before they left. Wow, a real american hero there; I'm sure we got to the moon with such calm heads at the helm. Could you imagine being locked in a space capsule with that guy? He sounds like he'd open the hatch and kill everybody if someone talked bad about his mother.
I still think we went there, but they sure don't act like it.
@48:12 Mitchell is a little defensive there. Thou doth protest too much...
I mean all he had to do was explain away the video and the guy woud have shutup, but he acted like a little kid and threw a tantrum and tossed him out thus making him look defensive and shady.
He could have just said it was an anomoly and moved on. Honestly, every one of these guys acts like a defensive tool rather than the calm headed astronauts they are supposed to be. Armstrong punching a guy...why so defensive?
Thats it resort to violence. Most hillbillies do when they have nothing intelligent to say. Hey who's watching the trailer while you are posting on the library card issued PC
wow a ff for 24 years, what did you get fired before reaching your 25th. I am a career fire fighter, a Deputy Chief for 32+ years now. What differance does it make what you or I do. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I. Yours is absolutley assinine, but thats OK. The earth is full of azzholes.
You theorist are anti-american. Take your zanex, or whatever mind altering drugs you are on and go to bed. You being unconscious is a good thing. God bless American and all those brave men and women who strive for progress. And God Bless Buzz Aldrin at maybe 75 yrs old for punching that asshole in the mouth
yes Norm my theory is anti-belligerence....America just happens to be the poster child.
God bless the mindless yank punks, brain washed drones sent over to secure Baghdad on behalf of US Inc., killing and maiming in the hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
Norm I can tell U R a scum bucket with wishes and dreams still to fulfill..
I watched the entire video. Its fortunate that small minds like yours have nothing to do with progress otherwise America would have never been discovered. The best part of the movie was when Buzz Aldrin punched you in the mouth. I invite you to come to my house, I will do mor e than that. You are an asshole just like Mitchell said. Come on over.
Hey Norm (of the Bates Motel?) how many heathens were displaced in your North American colonization by progressive th/dinkering madmen?
>What ignorant WHITE folks do not know is America got a head start using FREE BLACK slaves to work the fields in the Americas they took from the RED man.
true blue
Go West young man!
But hey the YELLOW man over yonder in China, west of California means the WHITE man has no where left to run.
I thought the plan was to launch cheaply to the Moon/Mars from a space station. I believe that is the plan for future space travel?
WTF is holding up those NASA Nazis?
Been 40 years since they launched their LIES and BAIT and INCEPTING THOUGHTS into the GRAY matter of boobtube and ewetube seegullible minds about the aLIEn called the GREY?
your answers are plain stupid, along with the other patri-IDIOT who refuses to see the truth about their own misguided government.
what the two of you are saying is that NASA has designed their program to stay grounded. they build Shuttles too big, that can only get them to a certain distance, whereas if they launched a smaller craft from the SStation to the moon they could start building that fantasy colony they have the sheeple dogs salivating about.
@islandbuoy4 -- You claim that there's "another choice" but the funny thing is you don't even hint at what it might be. Perhaps because you can't think of one?
The ACTUAL TRUTH of the matter is that Von Braun's statement about the impossibility of using a single-stage rocket to go to the moon and back was part of his showing the necessity of using multiple-stage rockets.
And either: (1) you knew that or (2) you didn't know that.
the 3rd choice is left up to sad sacks like yourself who must suss through all the evidence that all the experts present that seem to 'negate' each other.
Science issues are the same as Religions issues.
Religion has 'scholars/experts' battling over the TRUTH, so does science.
Wankers like you think science is etched in stone.
LOL
the speed of light, the holy grail is being challenged as the detection equipment improves?
The engineering of something like a rocket is NOT like "religious issues." Whether a rocket has enough thrust to go to a particular place is NOT subject to some sort of esoteric debate if you merely have the correct information about objective reality.
A certain amount of aluminum (or other substance) has a certain mass;
A certain amount of oxygen & kerosene or hydrogen or aerozine & nitrogen tetroxide or anything else, has a certain amount of energy.
You know ... it's a classic principle in psychology that people's seemingly random accusations about others very often actually refer to their own flaws.
If you actually understood anything about the subject, you'd be able to comment on something having to do with the physics of rocketry and wouldn't need to post juvenile crap. But the hoax-beleivers' cult really doesn't have much to do with trying to actually understand anything, does it?
@islandbuoy4 The shuttle could have eisily gone to the moon if they wanted it to. All you need is larger fuel capacity to boost it out of earth orbit. It only went up tot 400 miles high because thats what they wanted it to do. Now that we have better technology for travel, the moon is an easier shot. Your Ipod has more computing capacity than the Apollo spacecraft had. Those guys had balls, something you don't have.
I love the internet, one wanker gives me shit and says the shuttle was not designed to go to the moon, another wanker attacks me and says it is possible but I lack balls.
too many patri-IDIOTS or just plain stupid St. Petrie dish XP bacteria raised on boob tube and ewe tube....clearly this is the problem.
@islandbuoy4 -- If you can put away the kindergarten cartoon book that you are apparently using for all of your information about space flight and attempt to actually understand something about your own questions, then maybe you could start to understand the answers.
@islandbuoy4, As I said, I will not allow a discussion that I am involved in to be jerked around by someone who just jumps all over the place.
One thing at a time.
I have asked basically this same question now at least 3 times:
Do you understand now that the space shuttle is much heavier than the Apollo CSM/LM and its mass prevents it from being boosted to the moon by any booster system which has ever existed?
(When you're no longer an idiot about simple orbits we can discuss the radiation)
how many radiation belts are there? and why should they be called the NCC belts, not the Van Allen Belts? and did U know the fella who thought to go looking for the 'belts' out in space was quoted as calling one of those belts, the DEATH BELT. Now which belt was he talking about? This all took place from late 40s - late 50s. Before you were fed a narrative about going to the moon. U have NO idea how ignorant U are in fact. But that is a symptom of ignorance. They are unaware.
@prosperomage duh it is obviously heavier but the NASA NAZIs are not being efficient. ASTRO SPIES clearly shows wankers like you are in the dark about the truth. Trusting the US Air Farce and NASA Nazis. The same source ultimately that invents stories about WMD and madmen threatening the world from a cave. Ever see the CAVE called NORAD? LOL But Bin Laden from his cave was a threat? LOL Whose fault is that mine that you are a seegullible born in the USA?
and this generation that thinks they are planning to go to Mars....are really preparing for the 1st trip to the MOON.
Everything involved with the MOON, could have done with robots, far far cheaper.
When you need to worry about human life getting to the Moon the game changes dramatically...all the images from the Moon could have been obtained with HI RES images that can focus on 3" from 100 miles up in space with an atmosphere (on earth), a technology we had since the mid 60s
The future of space travel is that they realize it would be MORE economical if trips to the moon were launched from the space station.
FACTS we know >>> within 9 years of putting a man into space, we traveled 240,000 miles 6 times successfully, and in the 40 years since we have not gone much higher than the first guy Yuri Gagarin did?
lol you are one stupid seegullible human.
obviously a product of the boob-tube + ewe-tube + merikan propaganda
@islandbuoy4 Ok, but I'm not an idiot, and where did you disagree with me here? No we have not gone in to deep space again, but it's not like we're trying and failing, we just aren't focused on it right now...and that's exactly why the Space Shuttle program was shut down, so that we can start doing rockets again and go to Mars...but don't even get me started on the canceled Constalation program, Obama is an ass
Why has not the CURIOUS fucking MONKEY called Man not gone out on the limb in 40 years?
Within 10 years of learning how to climb, we climbed a tree six times that was 240,000 miles long and in the 40 years since we have only managed to climb 400 miles?
People who believ in the Hoax. Go over it , Nasa and US Astonauts was on the moon. The proof have been acomplished be the Japans. Search for kaguya "selene" mission and pictures. Landing places ,footprints ect all is there, also the Material left behind.
Radiation out there is Alpha and Beta Radiation in the Radiation belt to become harmfull you will need to stand minimum 20h and 40h are deadly, the passage in the belt was about 1.5h so no danger. Search for Bad Astronomy Moon landing.
@mixcatcom They used a 100% oxygen to avoid nitrogen disease,or the 'bends'.
Then. 30:10 you go on to compare the 3psi cabin pressure of Gemini in the vacuum of SPACE to the 20.7psi cabin pressure of Apollo 1's cabin pressure at SEA LEVEL.
So 20.7psi minus 14.7psi equals 6psi
Apollo1 would've had the equivalence of 6psi in outer space,nice try.
Press conference?Try being in a capsule with two guys for a week then living in a trailer with em' for month see if you're still a pollyanna.
@mixcatcom Why would you use the Shuttle's missions in LEO to prove Apollo was faked?
The CM would have stayed below 0º for what..9 years at room temp.
I just saw "Apollo 18" Why didn't the special effects look as good as the 16mm films and photos taken by the crews of Apollo as when the Russian LM was ascending and preparing to dock with the CM.
They couldn't make real looking films then, they can't make em' now, the only way is to do it for real.
They used a 100% oxygen to avoid nitrogen disease,or the 'bends'.
Then..At 30:10 you go on to compare the 3psi cabin pressure of Gemini in the vacuum of SPACE to the 20.7psi cabin pressure of Apollo 1's cabin pressure at SEA LEVEL.
So 20.7psi minus 14.7psi equals 6psi
Apollo1 would've had the equivalence of 6psi in outer space,nice try.
Press conference?
Try being in a capsule with two guys for a week then living in a quarantine trailer with em' for another month see if you're still a pollyanna.
Why would you use the Shuttle's missions in LEO to prove Apollo was faked?
The CM would have stayed below 0º for what....9 years at room temp.
I just saw "Apollo 18" .....Why didn't the special effects look as good as the 16mm films and photos taken by the crews of Apollo as when the Russian LM was ascending and preparing to dock with the CM.
They couldn't make real looking films then, they can't make em' now, the only way is to do it for real.
i cannot believe you got punched in the face and the one guy and his son wanted to call the cia and murk you. not to mention we didn't even go to the moon. i am fucking shocked. thank you for showing me this and im prolly gonna spend the next few hours watching all the other moon hoax videos :)
Thi video is 100% biased from the start telling just one side of the moon arguement.
TheSpiritof1969 1 day ago
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@GUARDIANtrooper "Proof photos"? GLITCH! During the period known as the "Cold War" (1946-1991) the KGB knew everytime the president relieved himself. They knew everytime the Mayor of New York picked his nose... only an uneducated, conspiracy nut would believe that the Russians wouldn't have known HAD WE FAKED the Moon landings and shot us all to hell in the court of world opinion, yes? The Moon landings were a point of concession for the Soviets. Just addin' ;)
Innuendoh 1 day ago
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Innuendoh 1 day ago
@GUARDIANtrooper If you are so smart what is DST and DSN? I did not explain what they were so you tell me.What do you mean " Educated very well ".I was,thats why I teach.If you are in school or just finished then you still do not know anything about this.Tell me one thing,just one that would make this impossible.Do you know what a J5 is?You show your lack of education very well when you talk about "video & photos of the Soviets & China tracking a object in space,its not done that way.
profsat5 1 day ago
@profsat5 :)
Innuendoh 1 day ago
Idiots with no education think we did not go.The Soviets were our mortal enemy then.They,along with China,would have told the entire world we did not go.They had DST and a series of DSN satellites.They tracked all of the Apollo missions and would have printed it in black and white if we faked any of them.Don't be another dumbass and say no it did not happen.Too much evidence that we did.Other countries right now have got satellites in moon orbit taking photos of the landing sites.
profsat5 2 days ago
@profsat5 Show me one photo other than that crap that looks like a close up photo of a homemade cake after it was baked with no frosting, what a joke... Why can't we see the crap we left on the moon if we went to the moon in full detail? Our satellites in earths orbit do? Why waste so much money sending satellites taking pictures of the so-called moon sites and send back crapy pictures to show nothing legible enough to understand, when new world tech is so much better than the yesteryears?
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@profsat5 Show me one photo other than that crap that looks like a close up photo of a homemade cake after it was baked with no frosting, what a joke... Why can't we see the crap we left on the moon if we went to the moon in full detail? Our satellites in earths orbit do? Why waste so much money sending satellites taking pictures of the so-called moon sites and send back crapy pictures to show nothing legible enough to understand, when new world tech is so much better than the yesteryears?
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@profsat5 Show me one photo other than that crap that looks like a close up photo of a homemade cake after it was baked with no frosting, what a joke... Why can't we see the crap we left on the moon if we went to the moon in full detail? Our satellites in earths orbit do? Why waste so much money sending satellites taking pictures of the so-called moon sites and send back crapy pictures to show nothing legible enough to understand, when new world tech is so much better than the yesteryears?
GUARDIANtrooper 1 day ago
This video is totally on the conspiracy side. I read on Wikipedia that Van Allen claimed that the magnetic belt around the earth is not lethal. Can someone check the source, is this true or not? What about the laser beam reflector on the moon that the astronauts left behind, the explanation on this video is not clear? On the other side, NASA said it would publish a book that would refute the conspiracy theories, but it was never written. So I don't know what to believe.
Alisdair17 1 week ago
Watch the LAM as it 'blasts' off .... tee hee it wobbles like a puppet on a string LMAO
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@trollsareus1
our future enlightenment will reveal hoaxes like the 'literal jesus' walking on water, or the figure of a man walking on the moon (an image put into our heads) ...but these BS contrived hoaxes do not mean there is not a greater AHA that awaits us....as I believe there is....But the NASA NAZIs are not going to provide the AHA for me.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
We never landed on the Moon... Apart from the Radiation aspect alone the Infra Red would frie them alive !!! Even with 'Thick Boots' looool
trollsareus1 1 week ago
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@trollsareus1 says "the Infra Red would frie them alive !!!"
hahahahaha!!!
You're too stupid to understand that you just claimed that nobody has ever even gone into low earth orbit!
Idiot.
prosperomage 1 week ago
Mr Thick Boots ... LMAO
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@trollsareus1 says "Mr Thick Boots ... LMAO"
... Yes. The guy who apparently thinks that it's possible for "space" to be "hot" comes along laughing like an idiot, Very appropriate.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@trollsareus1 -- The REALLY humorous thing is that laughing like an idiot is the ONLY answer you have to my explanation about protecting from heat transferance from the surface of the moon.
You have no actual response.
You have no real rebuttal.
You have no explanation that would counter mine.
All you can do is laugh.
Tell me: Are you more than 10 years old? If so, then I feel sorry for you. You should be getting over the common juvenile stage of laughing at things you don't understand.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
don't ya get it mr. thick boots....we are laughing at you.
You the stupid ignorant human who thinks thick boots will shield and protect astroNOTs on the moon from the heat where there is NO ATMOSPHERE.
You the patrit-idiot who believes all the LIES uncle sam tells him, the wanker who knows all about the Van Allen belts but cannot tell me how many belts there are?
Who actually suggested NASA go looking for the Van Allen belts, it was NOT Van Allen.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@prosperomage
the moon has no atmosphere you wanker....it is a very hostile environment....we have ___ belts to protect us from solar winds etc.
there is NOTHING to protect the astroNOTs on the MOON you fool...but hey we have thick boots?
A Commodore 64, thick boots, a thick head and multiple stage rockets, that is your science that got the astroNOTs to the moon and back 6 times and we have done nothing in 40 years?
lol
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- I'm glad you were at least able to look up the fact that the moon has no atmosphere. Good for you!!!
So now, you're not too far away from understanding that the problem of HEAT is exactly the SAME on the MOON as it is in LOW EARTH ORBIT.
What protects astronauts in low earth orbit from heat, if you think it's such an impossible thing to do on the moon?
(Suggestion: Quit the "hostile environment" sensationalism. We're just talking about simple heat transferrance in a vacuum.)
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
so we do not need the Van Allen belts to protect us then? and the only reason we have an atmosphere is for bubble headed idiots like you to breathe oxygen?
did they know about the solar wind in the 1960s?
what did they know?
WTF does a wanker like you know about the solar wind?
not much
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- One thing at a time.
Remember, you just recently admitted failure about your attempt to make a point about the difference between a single-stage rocket and a multi-stage system. And you're still not showing you know much of anything about heat.
Simple question ... do you dare answer it?
If HEAT would have prevented Apollo from going to the moon, then how has anyone ever been into low earth orbit?
Can you stick to one subject long enough to answer one question about it?
prosperomage 6 days ago
@prosperomage
STFU
I will not entertain your IDIOT logic
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
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islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@prosperomage
hey stupid human put down the outdated physics book the NASA NAZIs issued you.
space is not a vacuum, and in case you have been shleeping since 1972 guess what?
Hans Alfven got a Nobel prize for filling up your vacuum with plasma.
And today we also know neutrinos are more plentiful than light.
you are still in the dark ages stupid human, back in the 1960s they did not know about Dark Matter or Dark Energy either.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- Wow! Looking back a few pages indicates that you sure do enjoy removing your own previous comments.
What? Are you trying to hide something?
prosperomage 6 days ago
@prosperomage
lol
I love how wankers like you default to paranoia but are still ignorant of how ignorant they are.
PROOF you are an IDIOT for believing the NASA NAZIs:
CME solar storms are proof NASA never went to the moon? ...What did NASA know about CMEs when they were flying to the moon 6 times between 69-72?
Eh?
U R about to be proved an IDIOT extraordinaire.
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
@islandbuoy4 -- "Paranoia"? No. I have no reason to be "paranoid" about anything.
I was just pointing out that you seemed to have a fairly high number of "message deleted" notes attatched to your name and I was wondering why someone would feel the need to hide what they've said.
Just curious ...
prosperomage 6 days ago
@prosperomage
hey curious wanker WHO LACKS THE ABILITY TO THINK....maybe I wanted to add to the commentary...the only way to do it is to repost and delete the other post....now does an ignorant fucking NASA stooge understand that, or do you need to read it on a NASA website?
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
@islandbuoy4 -- You're STILL avoiding my most simple questions.
If you have all this "evidence" against Apollo, you really ought to be able to show that you have at least a fundamental understanding of the most simple items you've mentioned.
You already admitted to your failure to have a point about the single-stage rocket.
I was just wondering if you were up to a similar analysis of what you've said about "heat."
prosperomage 6 days ago
SO: Are you up to showing that you have even a fundamental understanding of the subject of heat?
If you don't understand anything about heat, then there's no use at all in going on to anything more complicated, is there?
You've said that heat would be a problem for astronauts on the moon. You've repeatedly asserted that they would need more than physical protection from the dusty surface.
So, please answer this:
IF heat would prevent Apollo going to the moon, HOW has anyone gone into orbit?
prosperomage 6 days ago
@prosperomage
here let me turn up the heat on the patri-IDIOT
how many van allen belts are there...and why should they be called the NCC belts?
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
@prosperomage
oh I forgot you are IDIOT who knows little about SOLAR WIND and CME and thinks THICK BOOTS protected the astroNOTs on the lunar surface.
Where the fuck did you read such IDIOCY?
I want a link to how the dink thinks please?
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
@prosperomage
Sun-lit side of the moon is totally exposed to solar flares. It has no atmosphere or magnetic field to deflect radiation. Protons rushing at the moon simply hit the ground or whoever might be walking around outside. An astronaut on the moon, caught outdoors on Jan. 20, would have had almost no time to dash for shelter, and would have become sick. At first, he'd feel fine, but a few days later, symptoms of radiation sickness would appear: vomiting, fatigue, low blood counts.
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
@islandbuoy4, I've asked you for at least four days now to explain your assertion about HEAT.
I've challenged you on the subject of HEAT because if you don't acknowledge your ability to question your own (idiotic) statements about the simple stuff, you have absolutely no hope of understanding or making a case on any subject that is more complex.
SO: Do you understand HEAT or not?
prosperomage 5 days ago
@islandbuoy4 -- It's real simple. Either (1) you can back up your own statements and show that you understand the fundamentals of the simple subject of HEAT or (2) you cannot. Which is it?
If the HEAT would have prevented astronauts from visiting the moon, then HOW do they survive in low earth orbit?
Do you understand that the problem of HEAT is the same in both places
Or do you not?
If not, then what do you think is the difference?
See there ... basically just one simple question.
prosperomage 5 days ago
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@prosperomage
Sun-lit side of the moon is totally exposed to solar flares. It has no atmosphere or magnetic field to deflect radiation. Protons rushing at the moon simply hit the ground or whoever might be walking around outside. An astronaut on the moon, caught outdoors on Jan. 20, 2005, would have had almost no time to dash for shelter, and would have become sick. At first, he'd feel fine, but a few days later, symptoms of radiation sickness would appear: vomiting, fatigue, low blood counts.
islandbuoy4 5 days ago
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@prosperomage
STFU
U R the same idiot who said that all the astroNOTs needed on the moon to protect them from all kinds of radiation was thick boots.
Space is not a vacuum but inside your head there could be one.
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islandbuoy4 1 week ago
This is a joke right?
Raiden3333 1 week ago
@Raiden3333 -- Well, yes. Obviously it's a joke. His apparent knowledge of physics is, if possible, less than zero.
But, sadly, I don't think it was intended as a joke.
prosperomage 1 week ago
2000 years of the LIE called jesus, performing lighter than air maneuvers like walking on water, proves humans will beLIEve anything.
the bigger the LIE the easier it is to pull it off.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
If you're interested, I have a mere three letter answer to end the conspiracy regarding the moon landings... Feel free to inquire, step right up, yes? Just sayin' ;)
Innuendoh 1 week ago
@Innuendoh
ok I will bite I like 3 letter anagrams
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 Three letters to end the debate that the US actually landed on the moon... (drum roll)... K-G-B, yes? Just sayin' ;)
Innuendoh 1 week ago
@Innuendoh
you lost me.
how do the letters KGB prove we went to the moon?
does it have anything to do with wearing thick boots?
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti- yes? Soviet counterpart of the CIA.
Innuendoh 1 week ago
@Innuendoh
I know the KGB are kissing cousins of the CIA and Mi5/6 too....but how does this prove we went to the moon?
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 Do I have to connect the dots? Sort it out, mate, yeah? Is this just habit or folly for you, did I misunderstand? Just askin' ;)
Innuendoh 1 week ago
@Innuendoh -- Whether the KGB worked with the CIA or whether they were enemies during the "cold war" era is just as relevant as whether Von Braun ever did or continued to be sympathetic to the principles of Nazism ... it's not relevant to the subject at all.
Neither really has anything at all to do with the engineering of the Apollo project. Every system of it used well known and well documented principles that are in use in dozens of other applications. There is no need for a "hoax."
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
no need for a hoax?
what is with the hoax called jesus?
DUH JESUS HAS PROVED HUMANS LOVE TO BE HOAXED.
what an ignorant human like you do not get is how ignorant and in the dark you really are to the obvious truths.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- You talk about "obvious truths" but YOU don't even WANT to know the truth even about your own statements. You made this big deal about Von Braun's statement and now that it's been partially explained to you, you're just running away from the whole subject as if you never tried to make a point about it in the first place.
If you don't want to know anything about your subject, you wouldn't be able to recognize the real truth if it bit you in the ass.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 said: "STFU U R the same idiot who said that all the astroNOTs needed on the moon to protect them from all kinds of radiation was thick boots."
Nope. WRONG again.
What I REALLY said was all they need to protect themselves from the HEAT of the surface was thick boots. In case you don't understand (and you obviously don't) "heat" is not "all kinds of radiation."
You're funny!!!
Keep it up!
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islandbuoy4 1 week ago
at the end of the day, we can put ROBOTS on the MOON and MARS, and we have never ventured beyond the NCC DEATH BELTS.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- I haven't even tried to prove that Apollo went to the moon. And I don't care to do that. It's too much fun just showing your statements to be a pile of bullshit.
For instance, now that, in effect, you've admited one big FAIL on the subject of the rocket's ability to get there, you TRY to make some sort of crap statement about heat and radiation.
But you know about as much about them as you do about the energy needed to get a rocket someplace ...
prosperomage 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- You mention: "convection, conduction, and radiation"
... but what about it?
This idiot troll video that we're posting on shows its maker to be almost 100% clueless. He claims that radiation is the only way to disburse heat in space. NOT TRUE. Radiation is the only way you'll ABSORB heat in space. To disburse it, you can use conduction & convection (or sublimation, which, in effect uses both "conduction" and "convection").
So do you believe this video's crap?
prosperomage 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- And just because some guy called the radiation belts "the death belts" when he guessed that they might be there and before anyone was able to even get close to measuring them, doesn't mean shit about whether Apollo had enough shielding to get through them (or around them) watch?v=YuH4rxda3Z4 and watch?v=z4gSRy1tHls.
You DO know as much about radiation as you do about the energy requirement for rockets, don't you?
I wonder: Do you ever think for yourself?
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
lol
that same 'some guy' also invented the technology they use at CERN you wanker.
that is why they stopped spending money on space travel and started investing in a time tunnel....U R an IDIOT (but I should have known that mr. thick boots)
stupidest answer on the internet yet...
you do not even know how many belts there are you stupid human masquerading as a NASA stooge..
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 Well said brother you tell him !
trollsareus1 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 ... "time tunnel" ... hahahaha ... Yes. So far it looks like you get ALL of your understanding of science from really bad 1960's SciFi shows.
If you lived in 1938, you probably would have thought the Martians were really landing.
hahahaha ...
Your friend comes and laughs like an idiot at the wrong person.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
yes a time tunnel....or a wormhole...or maybe the Bifrost bridge?
U R a vulgar, mundane, profane and rather ignorant human dude.
your BS reality is rather superficial ... hahaha you dissed not me...but also Stephen Hawking too.... do a search 'time tunnel wormhole hawking'
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
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@prosperomage
My friend? Typical paranoid wanker thinks everybody who disagrees with him are friends?
why don't you tell me what NASA knew about the SOLAR WIND in the 1960s.
pfffft you are such a stupid gullible fool.
note I no longer use the word IGNORANT dude....you have proved yourself STUPIDO
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@prosperomage
convection, conduction, and radiation
Which one?
If you think those BS space suits protected them on the moon and allowed them to operate a camera taking STELLAR photos, but no stars?
WHY?
U have not proved the astroNOTs went to the moon.
FAIL
ALL NASA is done in the last 40+ years is prove they can put ROBOTS/probes on the MOON, MARS and into space. .
dude U R a seegullible boobtube ewetube human who was beget by ignornant sheeple who beLIEve in the other hoax called jesus.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@prosperomage Nice, to derail somebody arguing the same set of facts... are you for real? If you don't get the revelation I posted by mentioning the KGB, just admit it and ASK, yes? Sheeeeeesh!!! Just sayin' ;)
Innuendoh 1 week ago
@prosperomage Not very bright are you? Displaying and asserting YOUR agenda on me as I make the case that the moon landings did INDEED happen is pretty absurd on your part, yes? Just noticin' ;)
Innuendoh 6 days ago
@Innuendoh
you are both idiots
I noticed
mr. THICK BOOTs is quite the prize eh?
islandbuoy4 6 days ago
@islandbuoy4 I'm the idiot when you're referring to "low blood counts" and carrying on a raging debate without scoring a single scholarly point? It's not my fault that you have the propensity to believe these crazy theories, nor am I responsible to educate you as to WHY the KGB renders your arguments moot, yes? Respond if you agree. Just tellin' ;)
Innuendoh 5 days ago
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@Innuendoh
Hey vampire who sucks the life blood out of the TRUTH....
KGB
YOU have NOT explained how the KGB says the NASA NAZIs got to the moon.
Is it because they put a turtle in orbit around the moon?
LOL
I am more interested in Tito and maybe picking up a Yugo.
I am curious; does a stupid scholarly human like yourself who is so fucking lost in space burn up every time they try to re-enter ewe-tube ville?
Do you lose a few shingles off yer roof ya goof?
islandbuoy4 5 days ago
@Innuendoh -- I have no "agenda" with regard to you.
All I said was that the relationship between the KGB & the CIA really has nothing to do with the objective analysis of the engineering of the Apollo project or the physics of the lunar environment.
If you think it does, the, sure ... go a head and say so. Doesn't matter to me. I'm willing to entertain the notion that you may have a case. I don't think it's likely. But I don't generally dismiss something without at least listening.
prosperomage 5 days ago
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@prosperomage
U R correct for once mr. Thick Boots.
The Apollo project in fact had more to do with the folks who built the shitty Yugo.
and that is so funny....can't wait till the truth arrives in 2013...Apollo was designed by the same folks who later exported the shitty Yugo to North America....I love happy endings with a twist.
islandbuoy4 5 days ago
@islandbuoy4 -- Just curious: Did you finally figure out anything about your own statements about Von Braun's explanation of the difference between a single-stage moon rocket and a staged system like Apollo?
If you understand anything about it, you should have discovered by now that the statements quoted from his book by this video SUPPORT the principles of the Apollo system and don't refute it like the ignorant troll who created this video claims.
Like I said, just curious . . .
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
who cares?
why was Von Braun the NAZI first made to work with Walt Disney?
you are so ignorant of how to pull of a hoax.
first you have to plant seeds....like IF ignorant human sheeple can get to the moon, that means aLIEns can visit us....
hey stupid human
why would we tell aLIEns that we know about 137, a number Nobel noble Richard Feynman told all good theorists to worry about?
Hey does a ignorant human like you think or just spout off stats?
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- hahaha!!!
I knew you wouldn't have an actual answer for me. All you can do when you're questioned about one thing is to jump onto the next piece of idiocy that you're ignorant about. It basically proves you didn't (and probably still don't) want to know anything at all about the energy requirements for traveling in space.
.
You can try your Von Braun quote on the next guy, though, and see if he'll be a sucker for your stupid arguments.
Have fun.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 Keep in mind 666. It is the clue to all of NASA secrets.
sleazylagoon 1 week ago
One day this narrator may realise how uneducated he is in science and how uncivilised he has acted towards people with extraordinary experiences (to be re-documented and examined by a new generation for sure, but please.....). Spin and propaganda happens with any project of national importance and determining the level of this would have been a valid basis for investigation but this person may have only achieved in making the subjects reluctant to cooperate with responsible journalists..
eldmils 1 week ago
@eldmils -- If you're talking about Bart Sibrel, then this guy watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig proves that Sibrel took original, publically-available video, edited it out of context, and made up his own lie as a story for the purpose of fooling people into thinking he had "discovered" something.
prosperomage 1 week ago
A side note, Edgar Mitchell was sued by the federal government last summer for trying to auction a camera that he used on the apollo mission at a London auction house. In Octboer it was settled out of court with Mitchell turning the camera over to the Smithsonian.
Sure is a class act. Also he believes in ET's and alleges to have been cured of cancer by a teenage remote healer named "Adam Dreamhealer" yet he thinks people who at all question any aspect of the moon landing are crazy.
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islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4, You can ONLY act like there is some sort of "evidence" one way or another about the size of a rocket that would be needed to take men to the moon if you wish to remain ignorant of objective reality.
Von Braun's statement about the size of a single-stage rocket has NOTHING to do with Apollo, which didn't use a single-stage rocket.
Your claim about it is like saying: The Wright Flyer wouldn't have flown if it were made out of metal, so how is it possible to make airplanes of metal?
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
are you still going on about the Von Braun bait I fed ignorant little you?
dude your inane BS is not radiating in my direction, I am protected from your stupidity.
I have my thick boots on.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- you eat up your own "bait" as if it were a Holy Grail of "evidence" while you try to cover up your complete ignorance about what you're even saying.
Never mind.
If you're too stupid to understand anything about the power requirement for getting to the moon, and you're willing to dance around your own ignorance, there's no use in even trying to discuss radiation or anything else.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage
Von Braun was a NAZI. A stupid one according to you. If he had not died at age 65 there were folks in the US State Department ready to ask his whereabouts during the reign of Hitler....the fearless NAZI hunters in the 1970s were hot on his trail.....
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4, Yes. Von Braun had been a Nazi.
So what? What does that matter one way or the other about whether the Apollo program went to the moon?
Saying: "OMG! He's a NAZI! It must have been faaaaake!!!11" is like saying: "Germany was run by NAZI's in the 1940's there's NO WAY they built the V-2 rocket or the ME262!!!11"
Yeah. He was a Nazi. So what?
Was he still a Nazi? I don't know. I don't care.
The U.S. has lots of scumballs in power. That doesn't mean they don't build stuff.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- And no, he wasn't stupid. And I didn't say he was.
Learn to read.
I stated the same basic principle that the book that is quoted in this video talks about:
You can't get to the moon with a single-stage rocket.
You need a multi-staged rocket system in order to get to the moon.
That is what Von Braun is saying in his book.
And Apollo is a multi-staged rocket system.
If you could read (and understand) you would know that.
Sadly, you can't.
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@StollandSon
Ed Mitchell, the 'hero' who went to the moon. He was made of the RIght Stuff we are told. Somebody whose mettle was tested by NASA to make sure he would not *snap* under pressure, out in space. But what did he do when Sibrel turned his back, and bent over?
Ed Mitchell kicked him when his back was turned, in the most vulnerable position of being bent over...?
Ed Mitchell's actions speak louder than words, Ed M is not a hero, he is clearly NOT a class act, but he is an astroNOT.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 Like I said, I would hate to share a space capsule with that guy.
StollandSon 1 week ago
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
JO138214 1 week ago
@51:08 That's nothing; you should see how much Jim Lovell was able to sell his shit-stained underwear for after they made Apollo 13.
StollandSon 1 week ago
@StollandSon -- Question:
If Apollo really was a hoax, then why did Bart Sibrel feel the need to LIE when he made up his "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon"? He took publically available video and edited it out of context and told a made-up story in order to fool people into buying his CD's.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage I've seen plenty of raw footage myself and I don't evn know who Bart Sibrel is and I never said we didn't go to the moon.
All I said was that Edgar Mitchell should act like the supposed test pilot is. About the only thing that makes me even question this at all is the way they handle themselves. If it's so farcical, then please calmly refute his point.
Also please tell me what video he put out of context; I would like to know. Or are you just making that up?
StollandSon 1 week ago
@StollandSon -- This video uses excerpts from "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" which was produced by Bart Sibrel, who is the guy you see accosting the astronauts. If you're not familiar with it, then we can discuss it later ... or not.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage I see what you mean about him cutting out the conversation in between; I was thinking you meant the anomalous space footage. As far as his style, it's very hostile and he probably had it coming to him. The context is important, but at some point the conversation was civil; mitchell literally changed in a second when he was pressed to explain the anomalous clip.
The best way to shut them up is to refute it on the points w/o hyperbolic BS / ad hominem attacks.
StollandSon 1 week ago
@StollandSon, well, yes. I agree with you about ad hominem attacks, although I can understand being frustrated to the point of wanting to do something physical if you're baited enough. It's rather dumb to do anything too bad, though, especially to someone who obviously intends to go and publish whatever he hears or sees.
I know a few test pilots. They're usually a lot more cool and calm than that.
I don't know that much about Mitchel except for second-hand stories about his claims.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@StollandSon -- It's not just the conversation that Sibrel cuts out.
See this video: watch?v=RKkpfYUhkig&
That guy shows an important segment of the video. Sibrel makes it look like they could have been "faking" a distance shot of Earth by putting something over the window.
But in the real, longer segment, you can clearly see that the earth is far in the distance on the outside of the window. Sibrel is clearly lying.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage I actually have seen the raw footage in question and what it appears is that they say they are shooting from straight into the window when they are shooting from the other end of the capsule. The blue dot we see as earth could very well be just a close earth through the window with the room blacked out.
The raw footage at least shows they are not accurate about where they say the camera is. Is it a smoking gun? not really...continued
StollandSon 1 week ago
@prosperomage All and all in some way or the other we went to the moon. Be it on apollo, unmanned, or with classified technology, we've been there.
Knowing the way compartmentalization works, I could see them at least retouching certain things so as to not have a live death on TV. At the end of the day, it's a harmless conpsiracy if there is one. Nobody died and if anything it may have saved lives to do it. (cont)
StollandSon 1 week ago
@prosperomage The only thing is that IF that happened in any fashion, the astronauts would be in mortal danger of even talking about it as a possibility. Some things were retouched. There are too many anomalies. But likewise, there's too much hard scientific data that says that we have in one form or another been there. I am not a scientist so I can't comment on the Van Allen Belt or the distances involved. But I do know we can for the sake of national security keep a secret.
StollandSon 1 week ago
@49:00 Mitchell's son says, "Do you want to call the CIA and have him waxed?" That's after they threatened to shoot them before they left. Wow, a real american hero there; I'm sure we got to the moon with such calm heads at the helm. Could you imagine being locked in a space capsule with that guy? He sounds like he'd open the hatch and kill everybody if someone talked bad about his mother.
I still think we went there, but they sure don't act like it.
StollandSon 1 week ago
@48:12 Mitchell is a little defensive there. Thou doth protest too much...
I mean all he had to do was explain away the video and the guy woud have shutup, but he acted like a little kid and threw a tantrum and tossed him out thus making him look defensive and shady.
He could have just said it was an anomoly and moved on. Honestly, every one of these guys acts like a defensive tool rather than the calm headed astronauts they are supposed to be. Armstrong punching a guy...why so defensive?
StollandSon 1 week ago
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StollandSon 1 week ago
wow, you are the poster boy why kids should stay in school. Come down and visit me anytime you want if you have the balls.
900 Clifton Ave
Clifton, NJ
Just ask for me, they will go get me.
Normt922 1 week ago
Wow what a grown up. did your mom teach you that. Bye the way, tell her I said hi.
Normt922 1 week ago
innocent iraqi's oh, that explains it, you are one of those scum bag iraqi supports. In my opinion, let them all go get their 70 virgins.
Normt922 1 week ago
Thats it resort to violence. Most hillbillies do when they have nothing intelligent to say. Hey who's watching the trailer while you are posting on the library card issued PC
Normt922 1 week ago
wow a ff for 24 years, what did you get fired before reaching your 25th. I am a career fire fighter, a Deputy Chief for 32+ years now. What differance does it make what you or I do. You are entitled to your opinion and so am I. Yours is absolutley assinine, but thats OK. The earth is full of azzholes.
Normt922 1 week ago
@Normt922
A rather stupid DC.
Did you get promoted because you are a Mason or because you give could blow jobs?
It can't be for what you know.
U R one dumb fuck Norm.
And a patri-idiot too.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
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islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@Normt922
and this azzhole knows what you are.
a dumbfuck christian yank who knows little about real history or present reality.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
You theorist are anti-american. Take your zanex, or whatever mind altering drugs you are on and go to bed. You being unconscious is a good thing. God bless American and all those brave men and women who strive for progress. And God Bless Buzz Aldrin at maybe 75 yrs old for punching that asshole in the mouth
Normt922 1 week ago
@Normt922
your theory is based on propaganda since the day ma and pa said open wide.
>>> it is time wankers like you learned to SHUT YOUR YAP and stop taking it in.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
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@Normt922
yes Norm my theory is anti-belligerence....America just happens to be the poster child.
God bless the mindless yank punks, brain washed drones sent over to secure Baghdad on behalf of US Inc., killing and maiming in the hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
Norm I can tell U R a scum bucket with wishes and dreams still to fulfill..
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
America never went to the Moon
trollsareus1 1 week ago
Thick Boots !!!! LMAO
trollsareus1 1 week ago
@trollsareus1
Sadly wankers with thick heads wearing thick boots and tin foil caps who are blind and lame to the obvious are a glimpse into the future.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
I watched the entire video. Its fortunate that small minds like yours have nothing to do with progress otherwise America would have never been discovered. The best part of the movie was when Buzz Aldrin punched you in the mouth. I invite you to come to my house, I will do mor e than that. You are an asshole just like Mitchell said. Come on over.
Normt922 2 weeks ago
@Normt922
Hey Norm (of the Bates Motel?) how many heathens were displaced in your North American colonization by progressive th/dinkering madmen?
>What ignorant WHITE folks do not know is America got a head start using FREE BLACK slaves to work the fields in the Americas they took from the RED man.
true blue
Go West young man!
But hey the YELLOW man over yonder in China, west of California means the WHITE man has no where left to run.
Except into outer space or down into the mines?
lol
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4
WOW what drigs are you on??
Normt922 1 week ago
@Normt922 That was DRUGS
Normt922 1 week ago
@Normt922
it is called a library card you stupid low brow yank.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
Ok let's put this in numbers:
Spaceshuttle Empty weight: 172,000 lb (78,000 kg)
Spaceshuttle max. theory load: 24,400 kg (53,600 lb)
Equi. Load need for Moon: 36.780 kg (Already not enougth Load capacity)
last Appolo incl. all modules + Capsule:103,570 pounds (46,980 kg)
That mean the Booster Rocked need to have a size high like the Burj Khalifa Building (828m) and in diameter the size of the Eifeltower (102m dia.)
Cal. Travel Speed of 8500 m/h.
Cost:8.500.000.000.000 USD (per Lunch)
DJCoolshaker 2 weeks ago
@DJCoolshaker
LOL Space cadet Trekkies love stats?
Can the space shuttle get to the space station?
I thought the plan was to launch cheaply to the Moon/Mars from a space station. I believe that is the plan for future space travel?
WTF is holding up those NASA Nazis?
Been 40 years since they launched their LIES and BAIT and INCEPTING THOUGHTS into the GRAY matter of boobtube and ewetube seegullible minds about the aLIEn called the GREY?
Why does NASA remain within the PROTECTION ZONE?
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@DJCoolshaker
your answers are plain stupid, along with the other patri-IDIOT who refuses to see the truth about their own misguided government.
what the two of you are saying is that NASA has designed their program to stay grounded. they build Shuttles too big, that can only get them to a certain distance, whereas if they launched a smaller craft from the SStation to the moon they could start building that fantasy colony they have the sheeple dogs salivating about.
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4 -- You claim that there's "another choice" but the funny thing is you don't even hint at what it might be. Perhaps because you can't think of one?
The ACTUAL TRUTH of the matter is that Von Braun's statement about the impossibility of using a single-stage rocket to go to the moon and back was part of his showing the necessity of using multiple-stage rockets.
And either: (1) you knew that or (2) you didn't know that.
See ... sometimes there are only 2 choices.
Which is it?
prosperomage 2 weeks ago
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islandbuoy4 1 week ago
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@prosperomage
Another choice?
There is the left hand path, right hand path, the middle path, I see 3 choices that transcend right/wrong, good/evil, NASA and the NAZIs.
Never A Straight Answer is taking ignorant little you for a ride.
Do you want more 'truth' bait to rant on about?
Why should the Van Allen belts really be called the NCC belts?
Does a patri-IDIOT who beLIEves everything Never A Straight Answer tells em' about space to be true know why the belts should be called NCC belts?
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@prosperomage
duh that is correct
the 3rd choice is left up to sad sacks like yourself who must suss through all the evidence that all the experts present that seem to 'negate' each other.
Science issues are the same as Religions issues.
Religion has 'scholars/experts' battling over the TRUTH, so does science.
Wankers like you think science is etched in stone.
LOL
the speed of light, the holy grail is being challenged as the detection equipment improves?
DUH no kidding
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 -- WRONG again, child.
The engineering of something like a rocket is NOT like "religious issues." Whether a rocket has enough thrust to go to a particular place is NOT subject to some sort of esoteric debate if you merely have the correct information about objective reality.
A certain amount of aluminum (or other substance) has a certain mass;
A certain amount of oxygen & kerosene or hydrogen or aerozine & nitrogen tetroxide or anything else, has a certain amount of energy.
prosperomage 1 week ago
@prosperomage Lay off the crack pipe kid
trollsareus1 1 week ago
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@trollsareus1 says: "Lay off the crack pipe kid."
You know ... it's a classic principle in psychology that people's seemingly random accusations about others very often actually refer to their own flaws.
If you actually understood anything about the subject, you'd be able to comment on something having to do with the physics of rocketry and wouldn't need to post juvenile crap. But the hoax-beleivers' cult really doesn't have much to do with trying to actually understand anything, does it?
prosperomage 1 week ago
@islandbuoy4 The shuttle could have eisily gone to the moon if they wanted it to. All you need is larger fuel capacity to boost it out of earth orbit. It only went up tot 400 miles high because thats what they wanted it to do. Now that we have better technology for travel, the moon is an easier shot. Your Ipod has more computing capacity than the Apollo spacecraft had. Those guys had balls, something you don't have.
Normt922 1 week ago
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@Normt922
I was a firefighter for 24+ years.
what do you do Norm?
run the Hates motel and back stab?
I love the internet, one wanker gives me shit and says the shuttle was not designed to go to the moon, another wanker attacks me and says it is possible but I lack balls.
too many patri-IDIOTS or just plain stupid St. Petrie dish XP bacteria raised on boob tube and ewe tube....clearly this is the problem.
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@DJCoolshaker Mutiple stages. Whats your point?
Normt922 1 week ago
The Shuttle is DESIGNED to stay in low earth earth orbit, idiot
737Pilot122 2 weeks ago
@737Pilot122
LOL
humans are very curious monkeys
10 years after putting a man into orbit, we land on the moon.
why have we not gone deeper into space if it is so harmless?
If all we need on the moon to protect us is thick boots?
Why are there NO HI RES pictures of the space junk we left behind?
We have had technology capable of taking images of license plates from space since the 1960s.
Can I see pictures of ROVER with 40 years of dust accumulated OR the plane that hit the pentagon?
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4 Thank you for putting the video in to text format for me, but I already watched it so you're wasting your time
737Pilot122 2 weeks ago
@737Pilot122
you are wasting your time sharing your ignorance and merikan SS (space shuttle) politics with me.
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4 -- If you can put away the kindergarten cartoon book that you are apparently using for all of your information about space flight and attempt to actually understand something about your own questions, then maybe you could start to understand the answers.
prosperomage 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4 -- And yes, we can talk about the radiation belts, too.
But not until you stop being a complete idiot about something so basic as the energy required to go from one orbit to another.
prosperomage 2 weeks ago
@prosperomage
how many are radiation belts are there?
2 or 3
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4, As I said, I will not allow a discussion that I am involved in to be jerked around by someone who just jumps all over the place.
One thing at a time.
I have asked basically this same question now at least 3 times:
Do you understand now that the space shuttle is much heavier than the Apollo CSM/LM and its mass prevents it from being boosted to the moon by any booster system which has ever existed?
(When you're no longer an idiot about simple orbits we can discuss the radiation)
prosperomage 2 weeks ago
@prosperomage
I know all about Holman Transfer Orbits, get on with it ya dummy.
As teacher you are a complete fail. By the way when does the nanny go home?
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@prosperomage
how many radiation belts are there? and why should they be called the NCC belts, not the Van Allen Belts? and did U know the fella who thought to go looking for the 'belts' out in space was quoted as calling one of those belts, the DEATH BELT. Now which belt was he talking about? This all took place from late 40s - late 50s. Before you were fed a narrative about going to the moon. U have NO idea how ignorant U are in fact. But that is a symptom of ignorance. They are unaware.
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@prosperomage
what is the matter, are the issues piling up on ya? that is your fault because LIES tend to trip over each other.
Truth is like a weave.
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4 Wait!! Are you saying the moon landings are a hoax? And that's your final answer? Yes? Just askin' ;)
Innuendoh 1 week ago
@Innuendoh
yes
and this generation that thinks they are planning to go to Mars....are really preparing for the 1st trip to the MOON.
Everything involved with the MOON, could have done with robots, far far cheaper.
When you need to worry about human life getting to the Moon the game changes dramatically...all the images from the Moon could have been obtained with HI RES images that can focus on 3" from 100 miles up in space with an atmosphere (on earth), a technology we had since the mid 60s
islandbuoy4 1 week ago
@737Pilot122
no you are the idiot.
The future of space travel is that they realize it would be MORE economical if trips to the moon were launched from the space station.
FACTS we know >>> within 9 years of putting a man into space, we traveled 240,000 miles 6 times successfully, and in the 40 years since we have not gone much higher than the first guy Yuri Gagarin did?
lol you are one stupid seegullible human.
obviously a product of the boob-tube + ewe-tube + merikan propaganda
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@islandbuoy4 Ok, but I'm not an idiot, and where did you disagree with me here? No we have not gone in to deep space again, but it's not like we're trying and failing, we just aren't focused on it right now...and that's exactly why the Space Shuttle program was shut down, so that we can start doing rockets again and go to Mars...but don't even get me started on the canceled Constalation program, Obama is an ass
737Pilot122 2 weeks ago
@737Pilot122
Yes U R an idiot.
Answer the obvious.
Why has not the CURIOUS fucking MONKEY called Man not gone out on the limb in 40 years?
Within 10 years of learning how to climb, we climbed a tree six times that was 240,000 miles long and in the 40 years since we have only managed to climb 400 miles?
1/600 the distance?
WHY?
CURIOUS monkeys always go back for more.
Why did the NASA Nazis loose their nerve?
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
People who believ in the Hoax. Go over it , Nasa and US Astonauts was on the moon. The proof have been acomplished be the Japans. Search for kaguya "selene" mission and pictures. Landing places ,footprints ect all is there, also the Material left behind.
Radiation out there is Alpha and Beta Radiation in the Radiation belt to become harmfull you will need to stand minimum 20h and 40h are deadly, the passage in the belt was about 1.5h so no danger. Search for Bad Astronomy Moon landing.
DJCoolshaker 2 weeks ago
@DJCoolshaker I would like to personally thank you for being educated on this subject and trying to spread the facts
Thank You
737Pilot122 2 weeks ago
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@prosperomage
duh not the mainframes on earth..what was running the Module that contained the astroNOTs?
duh you know in the event their communication link was broken?
duh what if?
Gus Grissom is quoted as saying "how are we gonna get to the moon if we can't talk between two or three buildings? ”
islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
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islandbuoy4 2 weeks ago
@mixcatcom At 30:30 you say 'no lightning streaks form micro-meteoroids passing by'
Do you know what makes the streaks of light when a micro-meteor encounters Earth's atmosphere? Earth's atmosphere.
BTW..The Moon has no atmosphere.
Percy the liar showed Lundberg a darkened version of the A11 photo, not the original.
All the rest is so banal I'm already bored.
Nice try...
Tweekerhead 2 weeks ago
@mixcatcom They used a 100% oxygen to avoid nitrogen disease,or the 'bends'.
Then. 30:10 you go on to compare the 3psi cabin pressure of Gemini in the vacuum of SPACE to the 20.7psi cabin pressure of Apollo 1's cabin pressure at SEA LEVEL.
So 20.7psi minus 14.7psi equals 6psi
Apollo1 would've had the equivalence of 6psi in outer space,nice try.
Press conference?Try being in a capsule with two guys for a week then living in a trailer with em' for month see if you're still a pollyanna.
Tweekerhead 2 weeks ago
@mixcatcom Why would you use the Shuttle's missions in LEO to prove Apollo was faked?
The CM would have stayed below 0º for what..9 years at room temp.
I just saw "Apollo 18" Why didn't the special effects look as good as the 16mm films and photos taken by the crews of Apollo as when the Russian LM was ascending and preparing to dock with the CM.
They couldn't make real looking films then, they can't make em' now, the only way is to do it for real.
Film maker needs to research more.
Tweekerhead 2 weeks ago
They used a 100% oxygen to avoid nitrogen disease,or the 'bends'.
Then..At 30:10 you go on to compare the 3psi cabin pressure of Gemini in the vacuum of SPACE to the 20.7psi cabin pressure of Apollo 1's cabin pressure at SEA LEVEL.
So 20.7psi minus 14.7psi equals 6psi
Apollo1 would've had the equivalence of 6psi in outer space,nice try.
Press conference?
Try being in a capsule with two guys for a week then living in a quarantine trailer with em' for another month see if you're still a pollyanna.
Tweekerhead 2 weeks ago
Why would you use the Shuttle's missions in LEO to prove Apollo was faked?
The CM would have stayed below 0º for what....9 years at room temp.
I just saw "Apollo 18" .....Why didn't the special effects look as good as the 16mm films and photos taken by the crews of Apollo as when the Russian LM was ascending and preparing to dock with the CM.
They couldn't make real looking films then, they can't make em' now, the only way is to do it for real.
Film maker needs to research more.
Tweekerhead 2 weeks ago
i cannot believe you got punched in the face and the one guy and his son wanted to call the cia and murk you. not to mention we didn't even go to the moon. i am fucking shocked. thank you for showing me this and im prolly gonna spend the next few hours watching all the other moon hoax videos :)
whatsername1223 2 weeks ago