Chang Dong Sheng (1908-1986)

[plonski749]

I am proud to say that I am a part of Chang Tung Shengs lineage of students.

[xmotoxstudx]

Chang Dong!

[mouthsky1]

像是在室內籃球場上摔, 地面應該相當硬, 那位被摔得前輩好厲害, 銅筋鐵骨...

[5950231]

Very inpresive! real kug fu.

[StickyBit7777]

The first part of this video looks like it was shot at The Ohio State University in the Mid 1980's. (1982-1984) The man being thrown is Chi-Hsu Daniel Wang - my sifu. The man on the left announcing was known to me as Dr. Wu. Both were in the Columbus, Ohio area at the time. This would have been shot during one of the first National Shuai Chiao Tournaments. The OSU Shuai Chiao Club hosted that tournament two years in a row. (I think it was 1982 & 1983...)

[sweetsweatyfeet]

I thought MMA answered the question once and for all about what works and what doesn't in fighting arts.

If this guy ended up on the ground in an actual fight, would he know what to do?

Just another example of some pot bellied guy who can't fight but thinks he can.

[StickyBit7777]

This old guy was my Grand-Master. We was amazing. His history during the the 1940's in China was proof that he really knew is stuff. Do a little research and find out more about Chang Dong Sheng and Shuai Chiao.

[billguy1234]

You have no idea who this man was, do you? I have met Dr. Brian Wu and I can tell you, you need to do some real research. Chang Dong Sheng was brutal long before MMA my friend. His training philosophy was learn the basics and then go to other schools and fight. And not this MMA type fighting either.

[sweetsweatyfeet]

You are right, he may well be a legend but I do believe that today's best MMA fighters are far beyond these so called "legends" in pure fighting ability. I would wager money on it. Not to disparage Dr. Wu but at his advanced age, he wouldn't stand a chance in MMA.

When he was younger, I can't speculate, but I still believe MMA has advanced pure fighting effectiveness to a level unprecedented in history.

[chihlitiger]

What is MMA?? It is NOT a style or school. In SHuaijiao kicks, punches, strangling, Qinna, upper arm blocks, etc were taught as it was the art used by Ming and QIng's Imperial Inner Guards.

[Koryuhoka]

You can't make this statement based on what you are seeing in this video. It puts you in the category of all the other mma nuthuggers. GM Chang was a deadly man. You're not seeing anything - this is a demonstration.

[NichoXD]

im doing Chang Dong Sheng Kung Fu

[ajaben]

That poor kid!

[nifka72]

thank you,that explains a lot...I looked more into factual history and combat wise, it makes sense.nobody is going to grapple in mass scale battles{field and combative affairs}Its not practical to ground fight when you are getting stabbed by your enemy from behind...

[chihlitiger]

There exist traditional Chinese wrestling that looks more like free-style wrestling with ground work. This form of jacket-free wrestling exists in Northern Shanxi and Western Inner Mongolia and Northern Xinjiang. In Hebei, Beijing and Tianjin we called it Mo Nie Qiu, which is seen as a basic training to the more advance Shuaijiao, which allows striking with upper arms (Tianjin) and Arm locking and twisting (Beijing). Kicks are always allowed.

[chihlitiger]

Shuaijiao was the martial art trained and used by Imperial Bodyguard in the Forbidden City, so Qin-na, hand strikes and kicks were part of the training. And in real military fight a throw is ALWAYS followed by a kick to the head and then stab to the throat or heart. So all those ground fights were not considered practical.

[nifka72]

Not really sure what that last comment was about... still would love to know if anyone that has done Shuai Chiao ever entered any MMA type fights...not san shou.with ground work and such.

[Blndrfist]

Oh, I see; another fraud oriental hawking bullshit.

[nifka72]

Are we talking combat Shuai Chiao or the sport variety....I understand as far as competitions are concerned,there is no ground work,I am speaking more about combat.

[nifka72]

Doesn't matter,there is always a chance you will end up on the ground,one less thing untrained in ,is one more thing you can lose the fight with.Why not get a good hold of ground fighting concepts?I did enough shuai chiao to know that it isn't always a clean throw that can happen....just an observation...

[dairyitches]

Ground work is not taught usually taught in shuai jiao, mainly because the point of shuai chiao is that in a fight the throws are supposed to be able to finish off the opponent, rending ground work pointless. Ground work is not used in shuai jiao competitions.

[nifka72]

I think shuai chaio students wont do MMA or ufc,because most of them never train in much ground fighting.I studied it for years and ground techniques were overlooked,Shuai Chiao folks should take note on that.

[blutobelushi]

he was the greatest master of our century...the fancy butterfly that kills...

[BloodlustRed14]

then just cross train some bjj and your good

[bingee1966]

I train in London, England with Master Robert Simpson, we train in all aspect of Shuai Jiao,which include Punches, kicks, Chi Na and ground work, perhaps groundwork was overlooked by your teacher.

[TimWatkins]

Sheesh! How'd you like to be that kid?

[aiko4321]

Wonderful.. Impressed :)

[nifka72]

You don't know him,you were 2 years old when he died,according to your age on your profile.

[DaLynxfighta]

I know him: Chang Tung Sheng was amazing

[Mangojuice211]

This man is awesome!

[gamma105]

Thank you for the clip!!!!My dad was in the academy and one of master Chang's fav students.He won 1 Taiwan's national championship,So I hear about master Chang constantly!Finally I get to see how effortless his techniques are!Absolutely beautiful! My dad said while in class,when master Chang asked him to be the attacker in demonstrations,my dad wouldn't following his directions, and tries to sneak in a different attack, but the results are the same, he flies horizontally across the room...

[gamma105]

..master Chang never flinched. afterwards, he'll tell the students, that's called the so and so move.That's when my dad first felt master chang's powerful silk reeling jing.He said it felt like his whole body is being twisted like a screw into the floor, there's no way you can escape!

[rothcroi]

Great demo of shuaijiao and Chang's own versions of Yang Style Taiji and Xingyi. Excellent.

[gmknight72]

Grandmaster Chang was the undefeated fullcontact champion of all mainland China, he was never beaten, not even in his old age.

[blutobelushi]

yes he was said to be the very best master of our century hands down bar none!he fought and beat the best masters of his day.he even beat a 400 pound mongolian wrestling champion in an all wrestling match...my question his students talk smack but fight no one...not one has entered the ufc or mma...why??

[mardukalpha]

Trust me pal just because your in china dosent mean you have seen real chen taiji i thought the same about it until very recently. But as for claims that this guy beat adults when he was 12 pal yourliving in a dreamwold

[ashwix]

Ive seen the best of whats outside china too, including Chen Xiaowang, and inheiritors of other taiji styles now living in Australia and New Zealand...sorry for not being impressed about anything other than the style's beauty.

As for beating adults in national competition as a 12 year old...I would also question the plausibility of that.

[Gaffanon]

where did you ever find this footage of him?

[Gaffanon]

He was the greatest fighter of his day and many others his taichi style he developed as he felt it lacked practicle usage and the same with xingyi he made it better they always refer to his and Chang Shi or chang style.Nothing he did was a waste of time and if ou ever met him or saw him in person it would leave no doubt what soever

[ashwix]

If you dont mind me asking...Have you met him? If so, when and where?

[Gaffanon]

yes I was one of his adopted sons students I met him in the 80's new york. He fought for his country against the japanese and the communists and before that his country was in turmoil. he won his first national championship when his was 10 or 12 against adults and was never defeated they called him the flying butterfly. heck out sites on Shuai Chiao to read about his life

[ashwix]

Interesting. I will look into it. Are you still training Shuaijiao?

[Gaffanon]

Iwish I was but Sadly Imm not. I shoud be but life took over. his young victory is checkable I might be off on the actuall age but he was very young to have done it.

[Koryuhoka]

You "was" one of his adopted sons?

I heard Madame Chang - GM Chang's wife, say that only Frank Demaria was "adopted". No one else.

[Gaffanon]

I was one of Frank Demaria's Students

[Gaffanon]

I met him in the 78 or 79 i was one of Frank Demaria's Students

[gsg9f]

Wasting his time? Quiete the contrary, he is developing, conditioning, and growing internally through these exercises. Making him a more complete person & fighter.

[mardukalpha]

lol i dont think you realise how powerful real chen tai chi is and no i am NOT a practitioner of it so my opinian cant be baist. As for xing yi as a ving tsun practitioner i agree to me that dont work :(

[ashwix]

What exactly is so powerful about it? And how come i have never seen that power in any martial arts bouts - including ones with Chen practitioners - here in china in the 10 years ive been here?

[koobphong]

You are wasting your time. there is nothing left in china but a communist national sport, martial gymnastics.

[ashwix]

wrong again...stop posting mate, you are embarassing yourself

[ace52387]

haha, it's not like they killed all the traditional martial artists. And it's not like all of them have the means or the will to leave their homes. What the Chinese government has done is present a system that rewards modern wushu with the potential for glory and money. Traditional martial arts are still in china, it's just not as popular.

[blackjamm]

I think the story of the nailhouse has disproven that idea. The guy held up until he got offered a high enough price to sell his house, using his martial arts skills against bodyguards decades younger than him.

[ashwix]

Great video!

Loved the wrestling... but why does he waste his time with taiji and xingyi?

[cfG21]

That's because when they grow older they go into internal to maintain the same power when they were younger.

[ashwix]

whats that smell?

[cfG21]

What the Rock is cookin'!