in Berlin, they actually don't really say "Berliner" but "Pfannkuchen" which - however - in other areas in Germany is a pancake. Besides, why would you critic a rather less likely secondary meaning of a word if the actual meaning is quite clear?
even people from Berlin use "ein Berliner" when referring to the figurative sense ("being from"), the indefinite article ein is only removed when it's a fact statement (when you actually live in Berlin)
@BakinKoljac i am from berlin and im not a nazi OMG if im not a nazi i must be a jew -.- dont understand it wrong... im not a racist, nazi or something shitty else like that
Hey, I am a German ;-) Most citizen of Berlin don't assoziate a doughnut with the word 'Berliner'. They call the German doughnut "Pfannkuchen". I am from Rostock (baltic sea) and I use the word "Berliner" for the German doughnut ("Pfannkuchen"), but even I don't assoziate Kennedys "Ich bin ein Berliner" with "I am a doughnut". It is funny because it can also mean 'doughnut', but I need the american legend based on newspapers articles to assoziate Kennedy with a doughnut. :-D Greetings
Ich weiß wirklich nicht was ein Pfannkuchen für dich mit einem Berliner oder einem amerikan. Donut zu tun hat, vollkommener Unsinn!
"Ein Berliner" ist im Traditionellen Sprachgebrauch "ein Krapfen"(!) aber kein Pfannkuchen!
Da das viel gebräuchlichere Wort für Krapfen (so hab ich es als Kind kennen gelernt) aber nunmal der Begriff "Berliner" ist, ist Kennedys Formulierung zwar nicht wirklich falsch, aber definitiv zweideutig, und schon damals wurden Witzchen dazu gemacht.
"Ich bin ein Berliner" is absolutely correct. The word "ein" is necessary when speaking figuratively -- "Ich bin Berliner." would mean "I am a [literal] citizen of Berlin." "Ich bin ein Berliner" = "I am, and all members of the free world are, [figurative] citizens of Berlin."
Ein is used when speaking figuratively. End of discussion.
there is a type of jelly filled doughnut called a Berliner and thats where the whole strange misconception comes from, i think its pathetic though that someone is trying to make JFK look like an idiot
The most common phrase to say you're from Berlin would be "Ich komme aus Berlin.". "Ich bin Berliner" and "Ich bin ein Berliner" are both not often used but both right. "Ich bin ein Berliner" sounds just better.
Why do so many people say that he said "I'm a jelly filled dohgnut"? This is ridiculous! I would have said the exact same thing and I am German. There is nothing wrong with his choice of words!
Oh mein Gott! Ich hab das Gefühl, das einige Amerikanische Youtube Nutzer zu dämlich sind, um zu begreifen, dass JFK keinen Krapfen sondern die Bewohner Berlins meint!
that whole legend of kennedy making a fool of himself by saying "i am a jelly filled doghnut" is bullshit. "ich bin ein berliner" is as correct as "ich bin berliner". i'm so tired of this fucking discussion. kennedy was a great guy & i love this speech. ich bin ein berliner will always be the most popular sentence a politician has ever said in germany.
huh? it's just a joke man, of course everyone knows what he referred to but in german this can mean just that, I am a jellyfilled donut, which I feel makes for more fun than the truly magnificent and glorious yet unfortunately boring message that he did bring forth. Of course it is equally correct as "Ich bin Berliner" but the line "Ich bin ein Berliner" carries two meanings. Lighten up.
@jointsandbeer thats a fucking stupid joke. i am german & i never understood it like "i am a jellyfilled dognut". thats just plain stupid. he said it correctly. dammit.
@lepakko69 well it's true the words "ich bin ein berliner" are what they're supposed to be, with Kennedy's accent most germans interpreted it as "I am a Jelly Donut" so what? if it's truly a great speach it shouldn't matter whether kennedy is a jelly donut or not.
I am German and I first heard this speech when I was about 10 years old, I never interpreted Kennedys words as "I am a jelly filled doghnut".
The whole story about him being wrong with his choice of word is bullshit. It is the totally same result as if he would have said, "Ich bin Berliner". I think it is also very admirable that he tried to speak to speak with a Berlin dialect
@AjAeXx yes well i still think the whole matter is of personal opinion, it mostly the way he talks, and by most germans i mean most ppl who spread the rumor tht that's what he said, i dont care whether or not he said he's a donut, i respect Kennedy and everything he stands for.
@ImTimesNine Not true. As a matter of fact, while a resident of Berlin may say "ich bin berliner", Kennedy would have sounded downright silly saying it with his heavy New England accent. The phrase "ich bin ein berliner" is much more appropriate as what Kennedy was really saying is "I am one with the people of Berlin". I'm quite sure everyone understood that....It was never meant to be taken literally.
Compare this to statements made by many on 9/11 such as "We are all Americans today"...
Ich weiß dein Kommentar hat viel zustimmung, aber es kann nunmal auch als "Ich bin ein Donut" verstanden werden, die witzelei über den zweideutigen Satz gabs hier in Deutschland schließlich schon damals.
Natürlich ist es der schönste (und politisch gesehen raffinierteste) Teil einer Rede gewesen den es in Deutschland je gegeben hat, deshalb muss man aber nicht gleich von "Bullshit" reden, der Satz ist definitiv Zweideutig.
@lepakko69 I can't help, but laugh. Sorry, I don't mean to. But, JFK definitely was one of the greatest president that the US has ever had. Blame it on Eddie Izzard, when he mentioned this bit part, on Dressed to Kill. Super lolz!
I understand that a berliner IS a doughnut from Berlin BUT it CAN also mean a citizen of Berlin. So Kennedy IS correct in his grammer but it can be understood in the wrong way! See what I mean?
actually a "berliner" doesn't exist in berlin itself, there you call it a "pfannkuchen", or in english "pan cake" (although there is nothing similar to a pan cake)
@CI5AgentSweeps Usually if you're *actually* a person from Berlin, you'd say 'ich bin Berliner' - but in the context of expressing solidarity in a figure of speech, 'ich bin ein Berliner' is still perfectly idiomatic. :)
It's an urban legend that Kennedy chose the wrong words. In fact, Kennedy's statement is both grammatically correct and perfectly idiomatic, and would not be misunderstood in context by German people.
in Berlin, they actually don't really say "Berliner" but "Pfannkuchen" which - however - in other areas in Germany is a pancake. Besides, why would you critic a rather less likely secondary meaning of a word if the actual meaning is quite clear?
sickcellmate 1 week ago
Technically in German, you leave out the "ein" when saying your nationality.
glitteraddict44 1 month ago
@glitteraddict44 lol but i think they knew what he meant
edyoung44 4 weeks ago
Thank you Germans for correcting those stupid immature Brits about their doughnut horseshit.
njdevil281 1 month ago 3
the flag in the background looks like a big nazi flag :O
exploblob 3 months ago
he was an awesome president and jelly donut
milleniumearl1 3 months ago
damn thats good quality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edyoung44 4 months ago
even people from Berlin use "ein Berliner" when referring to the figurative sense ("being from"), the indefinite article ein is only removed when it's a fact statement (when you actually live in Berlin)
TubeofDestiny 4 months ago
He was the greatest Man in the whole World/Er war der Beste Mann auf der Welt.
Wir verehren dich noch heute/We love you today still.
SymmetryFail 4 months ago
he is a nazi! O.O
BakinKoljac 4 months ago
@BakinKoljac i am from berlin and im not a nazi OMG if im not a nazi i must be a jew -.- dont understand it wrong... im not a racist, nazi or something shitty else like that
Ferdinandochtmissen 4 months ago
@Ferdinandochtmissen
i talk about kennedy ^^ he said himself that he is german.
by the way: bin frankfurter :P und nimm nicht jeden kommentar so zu herzen :D
BakinKoljac 4 months ago
klasse
stillerart 5 months ago
Hey, I am a German ;-) Most citizen of Berlin don't assoziate a doughnut with the word 'Berliner'. They call the German doughnut "Pfannkuchen". I am from Rostock (baltic sea) and I use the word "Berliner" for the German doughnut ("Pfannkuchen"), but even I don't assoziate Kennedys "Ich bin ein Berliner" with "I am a doughnut". It is funny because it can also mean 'doughnut', but I need the american legend based on newspapers articles to assoziate Kennedy with a doughnut. :-D Greetings
TheVastitas 5 months ago
@TheVastitas
Ich weiß wirklich nicht was ein Pfannkuchen für dich mit einem Berliner oder einem amerikan. Donut zu tun hat, vollkommener Unsinn!
"Ein Berliner" ist im Traditionellen Sprachgebrauch "ein Krapfen"(!) aber kein Pfannkuchen!
Da das viel gebräuchlichere Wort für Krapfen (so hab ich es als Kind kennen gelernt) aber nunmal der Begriff "Berliner" ist, ist Kennedys Formulierung zwar nicht wirklich falsch, aber definitiv zweideutig, und schon damals wurden Witzchen dazu gemacht.
Kill0rbAg 4 months ago
er wurde ermordet weil er den krieg beenden bzw. verhindern wollte!
DIDIDIDIEGGGOO 6 months ago
I think the CIA kills Kenedy :(
CCCPxx 6 months ago
@CCCPxx i killed him <.<
Dr4gonFlyy 6 months ago
It's like saying 'I am a Londoner'
tosamed1 7 months ago
"Ich bin ein Berliner" is absolutely correct. The word "ein" is necessary when speaking figuratively -- "Ich bin Berliner." would mean "I am a [literal] citizen of Berlin." "Ich bin ein Berliner" = "I am, and all members of the free world are, [figurative] citizens of Berlin."
Ein is used when speaking figuratively. End of discussion.
Nipponkoku 8 months ago
@Nipponkoku
Komplett richtig schön das jemand denn das erklärt / I am a German,and Respekt for you that you have said this ^^
LtBender 6 months ago
@Nipponkoku
Richtig / best wishes out Germany
LtBender 6 months ago
John F Kennedy war ein guter Präsident !
MrRoykoi 8 months ago
there is a type of jelly filled doughnut called a Berliner and thats where the whole strange misconception comes from, i think its pathetic though that someone is trying to make JFK look like an idiot
BrightFilms117 8 months ago
The most common phrase to say you're from Berlin would be "Ich komme aus Berlin.". "Ich bin Berliner" and "Ich bin ein Berliner" are both not often used but both right. "Ich bin ein Berliner" sounds just better.
BehnamLot 10 months ago
JFK (Y)
RIP
TheIrwinFan 10 months ago
Why do so many people say that he said "I'm a jelly filled dohgnut"? This is ridiculous! I would have said the exact same thing and I am German. There is nothing wrong with his choice of words!
SammyLovesPudding 11 months ago 7
@MrSovjetunion
@lepakko69
Ihr habt ja so recht! ;)
ColonelAaron 1 year ago
and the crowd goes wild :D
JudenGaming 1 year ago
ich bin ein croissant
bmw123321 1 year ago 3
Oh mein Gott! Ich hab das Gefühl, das einige Amerikanische Youtube Nutzer zu dämlich sind, um zu begreifen, dass JFK keinen Krapfen sondern die Bewohner Berlins meint!
MrSovjetunion 1 year ago
ich bin ein mann!
hirntoot 1 year ago
ich bin ein Frankfurter ^^
King9o9 1 year ago
Ich bin ein Pretzel
spyware60 1 year ago
The point of this story, Free Berlin embraced and cheered this, while lifting their spirits! Not bad for 4 German words (correct or not).
surfing636 1 year ago
Ich bin ein Berl.
atomkraftteddy 1 year ago
ich bein ein AMERICAN!
cmbuvi92 1 year ago
ich bin ein DÖNER :)
chingless 2 years ago
@chingless
wieso gibts hier nur kommentare von trotteln die keine ahnunge haben -.- traurig
nypd12 1 year ago
that whole legend of kennedy making a fool of himself by saying "i am a jelly filled doghnut" is bullshit. "ich bin ein berliner" is as correct as "ich bin berliner". i'm so tired of this fucking discussion. kennedy was a great guy & i love this speech. ich bin ein berliner will always be the most popular sentence a politician has ever said in germany.
lepakko69 2 years ago 62
huh? it's just a joke man, of course everyone knows what he referred to but in german this can mean just that, I am a jellyfilled donut, which I feel makes for more fun than the truly magnificent and glorious yet unfortunately boring message that he did bring forth. Of course it is equally correct as "Ich bin Berliner" but the line "Ich bin ein Berliner" carries two meanings. Lighten up.
jointsandbeer 2 years ago
@jointsandbeer thats a fucking stupid joke. i am german & i never understood it like "i am a jellyfilled dognut". thats just plain stupid. he said it correctly. dammit.
lepakko69 2 years ago
@lepakko69 well it's true the words "ich bin ein berliner" are what they're supposed to be, with Kennedy's accent most germans interpreted it as "I am a Jelly Donut" so what? if it's truly a great speach it shouldn't matter whether kennedy is a jelly donut or not.
ImTimesNine 1 year ago
@ImTimesNine
I am German and I first heard this speech when I was about 10 years old, I never interpreted Kennedys words as "I am a jelly filled doghnut".
The whole story about him being wrong with his choice of word is bullshit. It is the totally same result as if he would have said, "Ich bin Berliner". I think it is also very admirable that he tried to speak to speak with a Berlin dialect
AjAeXx 1 year ago 2
@AjAeXx yes well i still think the whole matter is of personal opinion, it mostly the way he talks, and by most germans i mean most ppl who spread the rumor tht that's what he said, i dont care whether or not he said he's a donut, i respect Kennedy and everything he stands for.
ImTimesNine 1 year ago
@ImTimesNine Not true. As a matter of fact, while a resident of Berlin may say "ich bin berliner", Kennedy would have sounded downright silly saying it with his heavy New England accent. The phrase "ich bin ein berliner" is much more appropriate as what Kennedy was really saying is "I am one with the people of Berlin". I'm quite sure everyone understood that....It was never meant to be taken literally.
Compare this to statements made by many on 9/11 such as "We are all Americans today"...
bibbler227 9 months ago
@lepakko69 Berliner is german for doughnut though so he is saying hes a doughnut although he is also saying his intended message as well
doyoucare666 8 months ago
@doyoucare666 whooot!? A berliner is not a doughnut!
letsmakeafurry 8 months ago
@doyoucare666 German for doughnut is Krapfen.
SuperAncientmariner 7 months ago
@lepakko69 I don't like Jews was a pretty popular phrase going around in about 1939-1945
STABBERBALBOA 6 months ago
@lepakko69
Ganz ehrlich?
Du bist Humorlos.
Ich weiß dein Kommentar hat viel zustimmung, aber es kann nunmal auch als "Ich bin ein Donut" verstanden werden, die witzelei über den zweideutigen Satz gabs hier in Deutschland schließlich schon damals.
Natürlich ist es der schönste (und politisch gesehen raffinierteste) Teil einer Rede gewesen den es in Deutschland je gegeben hat, deshalb muss man aber nicht gleich von "Bullshit" reden, der Satz ist definitiv Zweideutig.
Kill0rbAg 4 months ago
@lepakko69 Not to mention a fact that the Berliner (in the sense of a doughnut) isn't even called that in Berlin!
jeanpauljh 4 months ago
@lepakko69 I can't help, but laugh. Sorry, I don't mean to. But, JFK definitely was one of the greatest president that the US has ever had. Blame it on Eddie Izzard, when he mentioned this bit part, on Dressed to Kill. Super lolz!
wahinesurfergirl 1 month ago
@lepakko69 right on bro ;) couldnt have said it better myself
ShadowGhost777 1 month ago
Wszyscy wolni ludzie gdziekolwiek żyją, są obywatelami Berlina. I dlatego ja, jako wolny człowiek z dumą mówię "Jestem Berlińczykiem!"
Kennedy rulez!
HannsKlopps 2 years ago
I AM A JELLY DONUT! LOL
PCEntertainment 2 years ago
I understand that a berliner IS a doughnut from Berlin BUT it CAN also mean a citizen of Berlin. So Kennedy IS correct in his grammer but it can be understood in the wrong way! See what I mean?
CI5AgentSweeps 2 years ago 43
actually a "berliner" doesn't exist in berlin itself, there you call it a "pfannkuchen", or in english "pan cake" (although there is nothing similar to a pan cake)
ton1te 2 years ago
@CI5AgentSweeps Usually if you're *actually* a person from Berlin, you'd say 'ich bin Berliner' - but in the context of expressing solidarity in a figure of speech, 'ich bin ein Berliner' is still perfectly idiomatic. :)
MisterAlexGabriel 4 months ago
@CI5AgentSweeps It's like saying "I am a New Yorker" does not necessarily mean "I am a soft leather ladies' sport coat."
drumass666 2 months ago 3
@drumass666 I have no recollection whatsoever of making my original comment...very strange...
CI5AgentSweeps 2 months ago
@CI5AgentSweeps I'd be willing to bet you don't recall featuring "The Professionals" video montage on your channel either. LOL
drumass666 2 months ago
@CI5AgentSweeps Well to end this back then and especally in berlin you called the doughnut eierkucken.
deccno 2 months ago
ich bin ein Bärli
nutellakind09 2 years ago 2
JFK is an apricot filled pastry!!!!!! loll!
chopersword9 2 years ago
It means I am a citizan of berlin
JFK12274 2 years ago
It's an urban legend that Kennedy chose the wrong words. In fact, Kennedy's statement is both grammatically correct and perfectly idiomatic, and would not be misunderstood in context by German people.
Tulipso 3 years ago 2
how can i download this video???
kimo92 3 years ago
"i am a sausage"...
or so it said on the tv.
good stuff.
RIGGlovesnigg 3 years ago
No!
"I am a jellydonut" is what it really means
Roncace 3 years ago
ich bin ein berli ????
donkomm 3 years ago 3
yeah, why'd it get cut off?
UndergroundMountain 2 years ago