I'm not sure what these things are but I'm not sure how they could be seagulls OR balloons.I've never seen balloons in formation or darting around with such speed...and as far as seagulls go...I've never seen one of those in any sort of formation either. I'm really not into aliens, u.f.o.s etc but I saw something in the sky late one night this past summer as I stood out on our Okanagan pool deck. I believe there is a plausible explanation...but what that is.....who knows!??!!
Well done!! No they aren't birds! They are round with their own light source. Unless there are birds with no wings and glow. Those are craft of the Galactic Federation and they are doing the same thing all over the world. Disclosure is only months away. Have NO fear - they are family!
Can't say what I think those are... I used to work at the landfill, and yes there are many, many seagulls in the Okanagan. But the way they seem to sit still in some frames makes me wonder... Too bad it's so shakey. All that said, I've seen unexplainable lights 3 times in the north and central Okanagan. So I definitely don't discount the possiblity.
They are planes and helicopters fighting the forest fire. I lived in kelowna and when the smoke was thick they appear like this. Trust me helicopters not birds
Those are seagulls. There are thousands of them around here. Contrary to what you posts about there being no seagulls here. Take a look at the dump some day or VSS.
The other problem I have is the zoom is so close you have no framer of reference to anything else around, ie the mountains, the buildings so it is impossible to judge distance.
Therefore, one can only conclude this clip is nothing more than fantasy.
If ANYONE from the Okanagan says, "there aren't many, if any, seagulls here," they are being utterly disingenuous, or they are outright blind ... ... and deaf (they really do make a lot of noise).
I grew up in Kelowna, and I can assure you, there ARE a LOT of seagulls in the Okanagan. All you need to do is take a look at any school-ground field for proof. I've seen many more than this video shows (on numerous occasions) circling above, or scouring the grass for scraps of food.
This video is no more than a group of seagulls (very reflective in late-day sun) contrasting significantly against a darkened, cloudy sky.
c'mon... you can pretty much see the flapping of their wings ffs.
@prosaic13 Those are the fastest moving birds ever then. That's a few klicks out, which puts those objects several dozen meters apart at minimum. For an object to cover the distance between it's original position, and that of an adjacent object, it would have to be moving at a rate of x meters per second (x being the number of meters needed in order for the object to reach it's destination in, what... two seconds?) You're looking at bare minimum 10 meters per second. Show me a bird that fast.
@prosaic13 Those are the fastest moving birds ever then. That's a few klicks out, which puts those objects several dozen meters apart at minimum. For an object to cover the distance between it's original position, and that of an adjacent object, it would have to be moving at a rate of x meters per second (x being the number of meters needed in order for the object to reach it's destination in, what... two seconds?) You're looking at bare minimum 10 meters per second. Show me a bird that fast.
I guess it is a lot more fun to say: they are intergalactic travel spheres conducting earth surveillance before making the jump to hyperspace after recharging their anti-gravity coils...but not before rebooting their test swarm logic control packages...
@sunray06 So explain why they would test in this area this is in Canada not the USA I would believe they would not be ours so the only other question who's are they and if they are US tests why the hell would they be in our country they can stay the fuck out they would have no business being here. this would be an act of aggression towards Canada.
@sunray06 I looked up BAE Systems Autonomous Surveillance System on their site, and it doesn't even vaguely resemble this. They show Blimps and prop craft. Got any video of anything BAE has in the air that looks like this?
Er it's a er Chinese lantern that lit some swamp gas which refracted the sunlight bouncing it onto jupiter which then lit up the iss! Er yeah that was it, there's always a natural skeptic explanation?!
You wait that's probably the bulk of the bullshit that will come from the mouths of just about every idiot that watches this and other really good quality videos! Keep up the good work guys! (this last bit is directed at everyone besides the skeptic dicks!)
Canada is being invaded by aliens from the planet Khlamydia. The Khlamydians were hiding on Uranus, until the time was right, in preparation for this invasion. There is nothing you can do to stop it. There is no protection for you. You have gone too far this time. Your Arch Villian, Rick Moranis, must surrender to us immediately, or we will evaporate every last pint of Moosehead.
Canada is being invaded by aliens from the planet Khlamydia. The Khlamydians were hiding on Uranus, until the time was right, in preparation for this invasion. There is nothing you can do to stop it. There is no protection for you. You have gone too far this time. Your Arch Villian, Rick Moranis, must surrender to us immediately, or we will evaporate every last pint of Moosehead.
Good video! They show up in soon to be disaster areas. They must be trying to inform people in the area of more geoligical changes. Earth is pending a pole shift soon. 90% of humanity will not make it! maybe before 2012.
This is a satanic agenda to kill and enslave humanity and whites are the architectures of this deception. These are not Extraterrestrial Aliens or UFOs - they are a demonic deception to deceive humanity that there is a world wide threat so as to bring in white peoples world government to enslave humanity! Or, The Aliens will say they are here to help us from white peoples terror of the earth! Either case it is a deception!! Demons are Extra dimensional not extraterrestrial!
@HorChild so I am to believe that all the killings that take place on the African continent are because of whites? more people were killed in the last century by machete than any other weapon, what does that tell you? many of these killings were black on black. then there is the biggest murderer of all time, Moa, a Chinaman.
it's scientific fact Africans have a lower IQ then Europeans and Asians, perhaps the black race needs to focus on these issues rather then blaiming whites for everything.
@infodisinfo You are a fool if you believe that more die by machete than the hundreds of millions that white people killed in the last century alone! You have egg on your face because Asians and whites came from Blacks - so they gave all humans their intellect! White people were behind all the massacres in Africa - the whole of Africa is controlled by whites for the last few hundred years!! You are Wrong AGAIN - White people put MAO in power - and Pol Pot - the CIA Demons! Do your research!
@HorChild I agree with you except on 1 point, not all white men came from blacks, we all have different DNA structures and chromasomes, asian, indian, white, black all differ. What you said is a myth as the oldest skeletal remains found are african but that doesn't mean we are all decended from that culture, check out michael cremo or google gold found in oil deposits, gold jewlery ect found in the middle of oil fields and oil takes millions of years to be made so the gold is at least that age.
@HorChild untill Africans do something other then blame the white race for all their troubles - and the worlds - they will never crawl from the gutter of African poverty.
Many dictators have been put into power by the US, and Euorpean powers, true. However, no one ever held a gun to the heads of people like Pol Pot, or Mao and made them kill millions.
The machete killed more people than any other weapon in the last century... do YOUR homework, this is a testamony to the violence of Africa.
@infodisinfo - Hahah, you must have just watched the movie "Machete" - you know south Americans and Mexicans like machetes too!
If you were well read and knew truth, you would know that whites go into a country and put in their puppets and do coup d etats to divide and create chaos and mayhem. Of course good people are going to fight this evil - but whites control the credit and the weapons of the earth - thus mass slaughters ensue. A basic white Satanic formula!!
@HorChild no, I havn't been to the movies. you see the trouble with your thinking is you take a half truth like the puppet regime thing and forget that the people put in power need no convincing to kill in huge numbers. you cherry pick the facts that fit your twisted agenda, and by doing so prove only to be of the same ilk as the "white devils." you pay no attention to the fact the people put in power do so much killing all on their own. you know nothing! and your hypocracy shows your ignorance.
With all the videos of UFO's you would think somebody might actually get some real footage that isn't little blips on the screen or completely blurry where you can't make out anything. How about one floating 10 feet away?
@infodisinfo I agree. But I still wrestle with whether a famous, highly respected man like him could tell a bald-faced lie like that or not. He was a patriot.
@lamewarrior oh, I think there are lots of highly respected famous people who lie, cheat, steal, murder, and engage in just plain old general corrution, sorry, just being honest. I've worked in politics, many people we believe are good and honest are scum... just saying what I have seen.
I don't know enough about Cooper to say he never lied, I'm sure he did, but I think you are right on in your opinion of him being a patriot, and I think he was being 100% honest about his opinion on UFOs.
@infodisinfo I couldn't agree more with your first paragraph and it amazes me every time I watch a liar in action. They're good. So you can see my dilemma regarding Cooper. He seemed so down to earth, a regular guy, a good 'ol boy type. Completely credible. But what he's saying is BIG. He's saying they're here and he's seen them. Or at least their craft. The U.S gov't either flatly denied it or now, simply won't respond to those kinds of questions.
@lamewarrior sometimes we have to take things for just as they seem. Cooper's claims were big, but when you think of a guy like J. Allen Hynek, and what he was suppose to be doing for the government, and what he ended up doing on his own there are some other credible people that have made claims like Coopers.
I think the real difference here is that in the early days of NASA a guy like Cooper was a hero. as far as I'm concerned his UFO comments only made him more worthy of this title.
@infodisinfo Yes, there were/are lots of credible people saying "visitors" are here. Very believable stuff. The French gov't. too, although I think most of their report is unavailable to the avg. joe. With the U.S. gov'ts refusal to authenticate any of it for so long, one could draw some unsettling conclusions.
Clip one will be labeled flares or something like helium weather balloons. Same for the other two, unless it is claimed that they have been photo-shopped.
Crosswinds can display the type of movement shown in this video. The behaviour of the objects shown all point towards man made objects responding to atmospheric physics.
@MixingLaboratory Since when do helium filled "apparatus's'" fly back and forth like planes do? btw, planes have specific air lanes that they fly in by regulation... not cross into each other's for the hell of it.
A suggestion to the videographer: next time, turn off your "auto focus" (what I call the "out-of-focus") function. Find yourself a solid surface, put the camera on it, and don't try to zoom in if you are doing hand-held stuff. Or get yourself a tripod. Grammar-nazi says, it's "assumption" with a p.
Dude, these really are the most reliable releases to date! The russian govt recently opened up to public 3 hundred reports! Check them out on ufosecretXnet (replace X with . )
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SwiftFire1000 1 week ago
I'm not sure what these things are but I'm not sure how they could be seagulls OR balloons.I've never seen balloons in formation or darting around with such speed...and as far as seagulls go...I've never seen one of those in any sort of formation either. I'm really not into aliens, u.f.o.s etc but I saw something in the sky late one night this past summer as I stood out on our Okanagan pool deck. I believe there is a plausible explanation...but what that is.....who knows!??!!
heathergaylek 2 months ago
Its just the U.S testflights
MrOregonGreen 7 months ago
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holy shit dude
rocketman5989 7 months ago
seen this back in 2001 in cancun. same thing but more and more active
vicvodkatube 7 months ago
I saw this exact same kind of objects over las vegas last sat of 2005, we counted 35, and could only be seen with binoculars, keep looking up!
sleepygrammy 8 months ago
When was this taken???
deenaheather 11 months ago
Perfectly beautiful man!! One of my fav's, wish I had your luck...but then again very shortly I won't need it. Cheers
StealthEmerald 1 year ago
Well done!! No they aren't birds! They are round with their own light source. Unless there are birds with no wings and glow. Those are craft of the Galactic Federation and they are doing the same thing all over the world. Disclosure is only months away. Have NO fear - they are family!
artisanglow 1 year ago
That's a lotta birds.
Ubermoogle999 1 year ago
Can't say what I think those are... I used to work at the landfill, and yes there are many, many seagulls in the Okanagan. But the way they seem to sit still in some frames makes me wonder... Too bad it's so shakey. All that said, I've seen unexplainable lights 3 times in the north and central Okanagan. So I definitely don't discount the possiblity.
morglew 1 year ago
Wow...Best video I've seen so far of anything over where I live. :) Seen anything since?
Hey55zeus 1 year ago
helicopters??? I don't think so. Those things are moving to fast.
Nice shot!!
frat64 1 year ago
They are planes and helicopters fighting the forest fire. I lived in kelowna and when the smoke was thick they appear like this. Trust me helicopters not birds
Naughtism 1 year ago
we were testing our UAV's auto cycle that day...
mrmts 1 year ago
Those are seagulls. There are thousands of them around here. Contrary to what you posts about there being no seagulls here. Take a look at the dump some day or VSS.
The other problem I have is the zoom is so close you have no framer of reference to anything else around, ie the mountains, the buildings so it is impossible to judge distance.
Therefore, one can only conclude this clip is nothing more than fantasy.
CrazyAlvis 1 year ago
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CrazyAlvis 1 year ago
BTW...
If ANYONE from the Okanagan says, "there aren't many, if any, seagulls here," they are being utterly disingenuous, or they are outright blind ... ... and deaf (they really do make a lot of noise).
prosaic13 1 year ago
I grew up in Kelowna, and I can assure you, there ARE a LOT of seagulls in the Okanagan. All you need to do is take a look at any school-ground field for proof. I've seen many more than this video shows (on numerous occasions) circling above, or scouring the grass for scraps of food.
This video is no more than a group of seagulls (very reflective in late-day sun) contrasting significantly against a darkened, cloudy sky.
c'mon... you can pretty much see the flapping of their wings ffs.
prosaic13 1 year ago
@prosaic13 Those are the fastest moving birds ever then. That's a few klicks out, which puts those objects several dozen meters apart at minimum. For an object to cover the distance between it's original position, and that of an adjacent object, it would have to be moving at a rate of x meters per second (x being the number of meters needed in order for the object to reach it's destination in, what... two seconds?) You're looking at bare minimum 10 meters per second. Show me a bird that fast.
mhaneline 1 year ago
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@prosaic13 Those are the fastest moving birds ever then. That's a few klicks out, which puts those objects several dozen meters apart at minimum. For an object to cover the distance between it's original position, and that of an adjacent object, it would have to be moving at a rate of x meters per second (x being the number of meters needed in order for the object to reach it's destination in, what... two seconds?) You're looking at bare minimum 10 meters per second. Show me a bird that fast.
mhaneline 1 year ago
I guess it is a lot more fun to say: they are intergalactic travel spheres conducting earth surveillance before making the jump to hyperspace after recharging their anti-gravity coils...but not before rebooting their test swarm logic control packages...
but i really think they are just balloons.
kcran5671 1 year ago
sunray06 said: they are BAE "test swarm logic control package"
doiremick86:
they dont float around if you attach 'em to fishing line, buddyro
Dem's some sweet lookin' silver party balloons!
kcran5671 1 year ago
sunray06 said: they are BAE "test swarm logic control package"
Where the hell did you come up with that BS? A radio shack repair manual?
More like: they were crappy $2 silver party balloons from walmart
kcran5671 1 year ago
Looks like silver party balloons floating thru a misty cloud.
SimonLN007 1 year ago
@SimonLN007 The wind isn't blowing them all around they are staying stagnant in the air, no balloons there mate.
doiremick86 1 year ago
Cool Sea Gulls
how close were they to a Land Fill?
LaAttiDah 1 year ago
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LaAttiDah 1 year ago
Oh great more dots, some day I might see something of interest in one of these ufo videos. Cheers for posting it, not trying to troll, just saying.
SCL0PS 1 year ago
@SCL0PS Try looking for billy mieirs' UFO stuff, he doesn't record dots it's all up-close and personal.
doiremick86 1 year ago
@doiremick86 Cheers for the info, will look it up. Cheers again.
SCL0PS 1 year ago
Very typical of the fleet type that's been caught on cam since the 90's
thanks for posting
FetidToecheese 1 year ago
This a test of the BAE Systems Autonomous Surveillance System
Testing swarm logic control package. Sorry to bust your bubbles they are ours
sunray06 1 year ago
@sunray06 So explain why they would test in this area this is in Canada not the USA I would believe they would not be ours so the only other question who's are they and if they are US tests why the hell would they be in our country they can stay the fuck out they would have no business being here. this would be an act of aggression towards Canada.
timoscienny 1 year ago
@sunray06
do u have BAE systems testing footage ?
ptaah 1 year ago
@sunray06 I looked up BAE Systems Autonomous Surveillance System on their site, and it doesn't even vaguely resemble this. They show Blimps and prop craft. Got any video of anything BAE has in the air that looks like this?
sabrebIade 1 year ago
Project Blue Beam
MikeyGonebad 1 year ago
Balloons attached by fishing line. I've done it in AZ and IN numerous times...sometimes w fire balloons.
Notice how the choad cameraman "waits" for the balloons. These fake ufo's don't show any maneuver. I've done better
kcran5671 1 year ago
Er it's a er Chinese lantern that lit some swamp gas which refracted the sunlight bouncing it onto jupiter which then lit up the iss! Er yeah that was it, there's always a natural skeptic explanation?!
You wait that's probably the bulk of the bullshit that will come from the mouths of just about every idiot that watches this and other really good quality videos! Keep up the good work guys! (this last bit is directed at everyone besides the skeptic dicks!)
portalflame 1 year ago
Good video, but PLEASE... if there's a "next time", PLEASE use MANUAL focus and use a tripod or lean against a pole or a car for stability.
MaskMarvl 1 year ago
Canada is being invaded by aliens from the planet Khlamydia. The Khlamydians were hiding on Uranus, until the time was right, in preparation for this invasion. There is nothing you can do to stop it. There is no protection for you. You have gone too far this time. Your Arch Villian, Rick Moranis, must surrender to us immediately, or we will evaporate every last pint of Moosehead.
GIVE US RICK MORANIS! HE MUST BE PUNISHED!
magprob 1 year ago
Canada is being invaded by aliens from the planet Khlamydia. The Khlamydians were hiding on Uranus, until the time was right, in preparation for this invasion. There is nothing you can do to stop it. There is no protection for you. You have gone too far this time. Your Arch Villian, Rick Moranis, must surrender to us immediately, or we will evaporate every last pint of Moosehead.
GIVE US RICH MORANIS! HE MUST BE PUNISHED!
magprob 1 year ago
He's being sarcastic...
BooHooClan 1 year ago
Obviously swamp gas.
Maat922 1 year ago
@Maat922 ..and you're obviously retarded, hows that for swamp gas.
lostinthemix 1 year ago
Good video! They show up in soon to be disaster areas. They must be trying to inform people in the area of more geoligical changes. Earth is pending a pole shift soon. 90% of humanity will not make it! maybe before 2012.
wardop 1 year ago
UFOs / Aliens is ANOTHER White Devil deception!!!
HorChild 1 year ago
@HorChild And you know nothing about UFO history or literature.
PopolVuh3 1 year ago
@HorChild please define "white devil deception"
infodisinfo 1 year ago
@infodisinfo
This is a satanic agenda to kill and enslave humanity and whites are the architectures of this deception. These are not Extraterrestrial Aliens or UFOs - they are a demonic deception to deceive humanity that there is a world wide threat so as to bring in white peoples world government to enslave humanity! Or, The Aliens will say they are here to help us from white peoples terror of the earth! Either case it is a deception!! Demons are Extra dimensional not extraterrestrial!
HorChild 1 year ago
@HorChild so I am to believe that all the killings that take place on the African continent are because of whites? more people were killed in the last century by machete than any other weapon, what does that tell you? many of these killings were black on black. then there is the biggest murderer of all time, Moa, a Chinaman.
it's scientific fact Africans have a lower IQ then Europeans and Asians, perhaps the black race needs to focus on these issues rather then blaiming whites for everything.
infodisinfo 1 year ago
@infodisinfo You are a fool if you believe that more die by machete than the hundreds of millions that white people killed in the last century alone! You have egg on your face because Asians and whites came from Blacks - so they gave all humans their intellect! White people were behind all the massacres in Africa - the whole of Africa is controlled by whites for the last few hundred years!! You are Wrong AGAIN - White people put MAO in power - and Pol Pot - the CIA Demons! Do your research!
HorChild 1 year ago
@HorChild I agree with you except on 1 point, not all white men came from blacks, we all have different DNA structures and chromasomes, asian, indian, white, black all differ. What you said is a myth as the oldest skeletal remains found are african but that doesn't mean we are all decended from that culture, check out michael cremo or google gold found in oil deposits, gold jewlery ect found in the middle of oil fields and oil takes millions of years to be made so the gold is at least that age.
doiremick86 1 year ago
@HorChild untill Africans do something other then blame the white race for all their troubles - and the worlds - they will never crawl from the gutter of African poverty.
Many dictators have been put into power by the US, and Euorpean powers, true. However, no one ever held a gun to the heads of people like Pol Pot, or Mao and made them kill millions.
The machete killed more people than any other weapon in the last century... do YOUR homework, this is a testamony to the violence of Africa.
infodisinfo 1 year ago
@infodisinfo - Hahah, you must have just watched the movie "Machete" - you know south Americans and Mexicans like machetes too!
If you were well read and knew truth, you would know that whites go into a country and put in their puppets and do coup d etats to divide and create chaos and mayhem. Of course good people are going to fight this evil - but whites control the credit and the weapons of the earth - thus mass slaughters ensue. A basic white Satanic formula!!
HorChild 1 year ago
@HorChild no, I havn't been to the movies. you see the trouble with your thinking is you take a half truth like the puppet regime thing and forget that the people put in power need no convincing to kill in huge numbers. you cherry pick the facts that fit your twisted agenda, and by doing so prove only to be of the same ilk as the "white devils." you pay no attention to the fact the people put in power do so much killing all on their own. you know nothing! and your hypocracy shows your ignorance.
infodisinfo 1 year ago
wooo bc
mulay7 1 year ago
With all the videos of UFO's you would think somebody might actually get some real footage that isn't little blips on the screen or completely blurry where you can't make out anything. How about one floating 10 feet away?
MrSuperpat 1 year ago
Birds! Come on, dude...get a grip.
ppsayl 1 year ago
@ppsayl lol, exactly what I thought soon as I saw it.
amiller112 1 year ago
Looks like swamp gas to me.
younitehumanity 1 year ago
Gordon Cooper thought they were aliens and didn't mince any words about it. Whadya think his angle was? Anybody?
lamewarrior 1 year ago
@lamewarrior I think his angle was his honest opinion, however right or wrong that opinion may be.
infodisinfo 1 year ago
@infodisinfo I agree. But I still wrestle with whether a famous, highly respected man like him could tell a bald-faced lie like that or not. He was a patriot.
lamewarrior 1 year ago
@lamewarrior oh, I think there are lots of highly respected famous people who lie, cheat, steal, murder, and engage in just plain old general corrution, sorry, just being honest. I've worked in politics, many people we believe are good and honest are scum... just saying what I have seen.
I don't know enough about Cooper to say he never lied, I'm sure he did, but I think you are right on in your opinion of him being a patriot, and I think he was being 100% honest about his opinion on UFOs.
infodisinfo 1 year ago
@infodisinfo I couldn't agree more with your first paragraph and it amazes me every time I watch a liar in action. They're good. So you can see my dilemma regarding Cooper. He seemed so down to earth, a regular guy, a good 'ol boy type. Completely credible. But what he's saying is BIG. He's saying they're here and he's seen them. Or at least their craft. The U.S gov't either flatly denied it or now, simply won't respond to those kinds of questions.
lamewarrior 1 year ago
@lamewarrior sometimes we have to take things for just as they seem. Cooper's claims were big, but when you think of a guy like J. Allen Hynek, and what he was suppose to be doing for the government, and what he ended up doing on his own there are some other credible people that have made claims like Coopers.
I think the real difference here is that in the early days of NASA a guy like Cooper was a hero. as far as I'm concerned his UFO comments only made him more worthy of this title.
infodisinfo 1 year ago 4
@infodisinfo Yes, there were/are lots of credible people saying "visitors" are here. Very believable stuff. The French gov't. too, although I think most of their report is unavailable to the avg. joe. With the U.S. gov'ts refusal to authenticate any of it for so long, one could draw some unsettling conclusions.
lamewarrior 1 year ago
The Nephelim are coming
Antipropaganda100 1 year ago
Clip one will be labeled flares or something like helium weather balloons. Same for the other two, unless it is claimed that they have been photo-shopped.
RepublicConstitution 1 year ago
Crosswinds can display the type of movement shown in this video. The behaviour of the objects shown all point towards man made objects responding to atmospheric physics.
MixingLaboratory 1 year ago
Helium filled apparatus.
MixingLaboratory 1 year ago
@MixingLaboratory Since when do helium filled "apparatus's'" fly back and forth like planes do? btw, planes have specific air lanes that they fly in by regulation... not cross into each other's for the hell of it.
patton914 1 year ago
A suggestion to the videographer: next time, turn off your "auto focus" (what I call the "out-of-focus") function. Find yourself a solid surface, put the camera on it, and don't try to zoom in if you are doing hand-held stuff. Or get yourself a tripod. Grammar-nazi says, it's "assumption" with a p.
loginregional 1 year ago
911missinglinks
vanguardworld 1 year ago
Dude, these really are the most reliable releases to date! The russian govt recently opened up to public 3 hundred reports! Check them out on ufosecretXnet (replace X with . )
ruineta87 1 year ago
Такое же было и у нас (Украина, Киев осень 2009год) - 49 штук летало и тоже две из них - объединились!
satainkara 2 years ago
Great Vid To Avoid Shakiness Stand Against A wall Tree Car Etc..
fatty32fatty 2 years ago 3