Russian media suppressed in Georgia

[unmarkedX]

I really don't know enough about corruption,

So I cannot seriously speculate on that

But there is a commonsensical point I think can be made

Russian living standards are undoubtedly improving

So either corruption HAS come down (which I agree is probably doubtful)

Or corruption relative to the productivity of the economy has come down! (which still constitutes an improvement over the previous regime)

[semiliteratedgod]

"Georgian government this week attempted to obliterate Ossetia, killing thousands"

You're too mean to your Bosses! Next time say Obliterate Russia!! and KILLING MILLIONS!! The Tass "news" agency will confirm anyway....

[semiliteratedgod]

hey FAGolosha, here's some big fat E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E for you!

Ok, open your ass bitch!

Sorry, no lubricant this time ...

C'mon, take it bitch! Feels good, right?

Evidence, bitch! Yeah...

[semiliteratedgod]

fagolosha, you're an incredibly biased russian scumbag,

You should watch some real, factual news reports from the real world once in a while:

Just check this: /watch?v=dlK6vbSoYOY

Nobody cares about your propaganda, Russians are still terribly bad in that anyway

[semiliteratedgod]

Just shut the fuck up already with your nonsense propaganda...

/watch?v=dlK6vbSoYOY

[klonedklein]

Welcome to the west.... HAHA... Censorship IS part of the 'west' in all ways. You don't want to be mindless drones watching fox'news' in Georgia, or anywhere--but the leaders will tell you different.

[Popajaja]

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­ooogle:

Your Enemy Soros Was Behind Georgia `Democracy' Revolution

[semiliteratedgod]

"But where are YOUR sources?"

In your mothers ass!

You know Russia never hacked anybody, Georgians are the superfamous hacker criminals in the World, yeah...

They are even soooooo good so they make it look like those were Russians!!!!! LMAO

[semiliteratedgod]

RT is ridiculous propaganda, just like you...

I don't care how many bodies counted the Putin's regime anyway, nobody trusts them!

It's like Russian votes on the elections, you can't even guess the real number from what they tell you!

[semiliteratedgod]

FAGolosha, you're ridiculous...

just wait for the next paycheck from Putin, you don't have to work so hard for that money, you fucking Russky:)

[ValeriePuma]

I think its ludacris how Russia invades another country, kills over a thousand people and destroy a growing nations economy and say they are the saviors. Savior? Give me a break Russia is slowing going back to it's Soviet ways. I'm not saying Georgia or the USA is right. But Russia bullying a small weak country is pretty sad. Russia won't fight anyone stronger than them. Soon as the USA started getting pissed....Russia annouced a Cease-Fire. Russia is a weak,scared nation.

[throwanade]

Georgia fired artillery on Tskhinvali, expecting U.S. protection. Innocent people were killed, including Russian citizens. Russia responded by taking control of the region and bombing military sites. Russia is not a weak, scared nation. There would just be no benefit for Russia to invade and take control of Georgia.

[kartvelikali]

throwanade,

Wake up, would ya? If you have nothing smart to say better not say anything.

[throwanade]

Everything I said was true. However, there is always more to the story.

If you have something informative to say don't just say "wake up" and call my comments stupid.

I'm sure the refugees that fled are thankful for Russia's intervention so I'm sure some could consider them a "savior".

It is a shame that Georgian people have to suffer from Russian economic sanctions.

[deathcrow75]

i personally dont believe that any side + the US is telling the truth

1)Georgian Prime minister convinced the US to only show the damage Russians caused and not Georgia

making Russians seem bad

2)in that case Georgia doesnt want its public to know the complete truth either, they want as much support as possible

3)(not sure about this but) i dont think Russia pointed out the wrongs they have caused in there war, they are trying to make themselves seem like the good guys

[alfa8]

Sound like china.

[tsarvadim]

Georgian puppets

you're $@#!ing lucky Russia didn't obliterate your asses

[kartvelikali]

tsarvadim,

God is just. We will see your asses oblitarated one day.

[dav1941]

What a crock of S#it network!!!!! RT might as well be RT-FOXNEWS RUSSIA. Too much propaganda, little real news, no other side of story. Russian's are too busy telling the world they need to wake up, maybe it's you guys who do? Ah bring back 'Kukla', I miss good old russian tv.

[semiliteratedgod]

RT is pure Russian propaganda, totally fucking ridiculous

[mishkaru2002]

georgia and usa and ukraine same shit as NAto, but RUSSIA has a POWER, to bit them up, world wake up dont listen to USA such a big goverment lyers

[rog809]

russian just like to eat and get fat , and get opulance they are not diference from usa just enother side of the pig family morrron

[kartvelikali]

I think it's you who is asleep.

[30STMFN]

polish asshole, its not ur problem, gerogia began it read the news ass

[semacomer]

absolutely right. Is show how big provocation and smart Russian plan it was.

[ZakherMakher]

But thanks to God, there will be pease for some time...

[ZakherMakher]

"Saakasvily was advised wrong" Who did advise wrong Saakashvily? Condolisa ? ))

[ZakherMakher]

to Manolis090 If Russia would like to cut piplines they would done it. If they would like to ocupy Georgia we would see them in Tbilisi. Of course There is an element of geopolitics but not in piplines and oil... Geopolitics is that US dont want to see Russia on Coucasus region.. Do you know that "He is son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch"... I mean Saacashvily and US ))

[semiliteratedgod]

Fagolosha you annoying propagandist cunt, just out of curiosity, where did you see thousand Ossetians killed ???

[semiliteratedgod]

FAGolosha, you fucking dumb filthy cunt, ARE YOU REALLY SO FUCKING STUPID?!

Search for Anna Politkovskaya, google for Russian hate crimes and rightwing atrocities, search vids about the life of foreigners in Russia, Human rights organization reports... Can you use Google, or should I provide evidence of googling first??

Check this out: /watch?v=IMtTja8uA8Y

[semacomer]

ok ok i know thats inconvenient for you. Are you Russian living in Canada? non-Russian people take this things in consideration but you react like being kicked in the ass.

[semiliteratedgod]

FAGolosha, you fucking little propagandist cunt, go fucking google for your evidence, you filthy Russian (I'm sure) moron

[ZakherMakher]

for the first time in the history the heavy fire was open to peasemaker/

[ZakherMakher]

Any Georgian city isn't occupided by Rassian Army. So i cant see reasons to compare russians with agressors

[ZakherMakher]

to semacomer. In 98-99 in South Osetia that conflict was abating down. There was pease. Georgians and Osetians live together and trade on the Tshinvali market. After Saakashvily had come to power tensions started in the region. He always declared he was going to hoist a flag on Tshinvali.... Now (after night attak) Georgia is much more further to solf this conflict.

[semacomer]

well in this video are blatant lies! Georgian websites were hacked first, so there was response from Tibilisi. Russian also hacked many Estonians websites not so time ago. If you believe Russian media, im sorry for you.

[semacomer]

Fundamentally at stake is what kind of role Russia will play in the new international system. Unfortunately, Putin is putting Russia on a course that is ominously similar to Stalin's and Hitler's in the late 1930s. Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt has correctly drawn an analogy between Putin's "justification" for dismembering Georgia -- because of the Russians in South Ossetia -- to Hitler's tactics vis a vis Czechoslovakia to "free" the Sudeten Deutsch.

[semacomer]

The question the international community now confronts is how to respond to a Russia that engages in the blatant use of force with larger imperial designs in mind: to reintegrate the former Soviet space under the Kremlin's control and to cut Western access to the Caspian Sea and Central Asia by gaining control over the Baku/ Ceyhan pipeline that runs through Georgia.

[semacomer]

I dont believe in Russian peace making.

They used well known method "Divide et impera" or "divide and rule". They used it many times in ages to make interior conflicts like in Georgia. Now those bastars SAY THAT GBEORGIA HAVE TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT (choosen by its citizens, which is sic!). War was provoked, its about oil and destroying US influences in Georgia. Few years ago i heard that there will be a war cause situation is very nervous. BUT NOW RUSSIAN TV SAYS THAT PUTING DEFENDS CHILDREN :D

[oa00o]

You sir are retarded. "its about oil and destroying US influences in Georgia".. Get your head out of your ass and think about what you say.

[semacomer]

My noble sir, you also should think (rather than swear) about some facts...

In brief, the stakes are very significant. At stake is access to oil as that resource grows ever more scarce and expensive and how a major power conducts itself in our newly interdepedent world, conduct that should be based on accommodation and consensus, not on brute force.

[ndrakey]

watch?v=V_Ks6hu6ggE watch this video!

greets from a russian from germany drusja!

[Roman61Rus]

SAAKASHVILI IS WAR CRIMINAL!

[perkele0079]

I'd hit Paula Slier;)

[spetznas1980]

I think the region where the pipelines were bombed, its tertetory of georgian soldiers. and there are to much snipers. russian soldiers cant go there and reporters too. its war-teretory.

sry for my bad english^^

[bigbraza]

On CNN's Quick vote now is shut down

because of a results:

Do you think Russia's actions in Georgia are justified?

Yes, it's peacekeeping 92%

No, it's an invasion 8%

[spetznas1980]

free press in america,

the joke number ONE

xDD

[Manolis090]

I have to admit that RT doesn't speak about the two or three pipelines that cross Georgia and provide our EU with gas and oil! Does Russia want EU being enclaved?

[spetznas1980]

no, its because the georgiens use this oil too and its stratagicly important in times of war to cut this things off. with no resources they havent money and with no money they cant continue bombing russian civilians.

[spetznas1980]

no, its because the georgiens use this oil too and its stratagicly important in times of war to cut this things off. with no resources they havent money and with no money they cant continue bombing russian civilians.

[Manolis090]

So, why doesn't RT analyze more about it?

[end0ffile]

no! Saakashvili want it! he is war Criminal and lier

[Manolis090]

You should realize that there were provocations from the Russian side as well. Anyway, Saakasvily was advised wrong and we know the rest of the story. What is strange that RT doesn't speak about the oil pipelines. Trust me, I love geopolitics and I have already read 4 books from different authors. What they say? Easy: three pipelines from Baku pass outside Tbilisi and near, if not inside, S. Ossetia. What I am telling you is not an attack on Russia but to politicians. I hate them!

[unmarkedX]

no pipelines in S ossetia

and russians are nowhere near the existing pipelines

[unmarkedX]

you mean like the western media keep going on about how western stake in georgia is about the pipelines

and about how the missile shield is not really about Iran,right?

[Manolis090]

Western media want to introduce Russians as descendants of Stalin and a new cold war. This is bullshit. Trust me, they don't came clean on that and I tell you I speak of nones side.

[nikas1]

On what people from for money and oil only will not go!! US the pretext what to launch war with Russia, and all from for oil is necessary! Mass media washes out heads to all Europe and America! It is huge tragedy that people have ceased to think because in Ossetia and Georgia now perish there is nothing not guilty people, and to be at war except Bush and Saakashvilli wants nobody!!

[jetriot]

Each of those American rapists are in jail today. You cant control all humans... some people are messed up. We are just as ashamed of those few bad apples as your furious at them.

[pushybaton]

RussiaToday is a joke. NO MENTION of the cyberwarfare being waged by Russia against Georgian gov't websites!

[lawsonks]

Simply because it is old news and not relevant to this conflict

[napzman76]

Russia is a giant sleeping bear, amero-Georgia just woke it up, bears always defend its home and surroundings. Wake up people. Russia is awake. Negative people are still asleep.

[unmarkedX]

'political, economic, military, cultural heavy weight'

'barbaric, criminal, nationalistic, authoritarian crazy society'

hahahaha

how are the 2 mutually exclusive?

Take a look at the world we are living

And Get real

'Barbarism' if anything is a prerequisite for all 'heavy weights'

[semiliteratedgod]

In my definition "barbaric, criminal, nationalistic, authoritarian, crazy" can't be at the same time cultural heavyweight too.

They were just fucking lucky, let's get rid of our dependency on fossil fuels and put Russia into its natural place where it belongs, to the third world.

But I see where you're coming from, and there's obviously some truth to that ... That's why I hate what Bush has done, but I equally hate to see the rising of this new local tyranny...

Russians are crazier than ever.

[unmarkedX]

No

You do not see where I am really coming from

Bush is not dangerous

The action that you blame Bush for was not decided in the white house

It was decided in the council for foreign relations

In the presence and with the support of Kerry, Clinton and all the democratic 'heavy weights'

Just like the Clinton wars in the Balkans were decided

And the moral distinction between the Clinton wars and sanctions in Iraq resulting in millions of deaths and the Bush wars is in my opinion arbitrary

[unmarkedX]

Just as the moral distinction you are going to draw between iraq and the coming Obama wars will be

It is good that you support the US

I certainly do not advocate any moral rejection of the US

I understand you want to see it standing for 'good' in international affairs

It is negative however that you think that is even possible for a world power

[unmarkedX]

At it's time there was no bigger cultural heavyweight than the roman empire

You really think roman foreign policy was benign? You think they pursued a live and let live mentality? Seriously?

[unmarkedX]

You wana know who is really dangerous?

It's people who actually think there is a moral high ground in international affairs for them to occupy

The obsession of self-righteousness is far more dangerous than the conscious pursuit of self-interest

People who associate fossil fuel dependency with appeasing ragheads and russian authoritarianism, while conveniently overlooking western oil companies with huge lobbies in Washington announcing record profits 'amidst the oil crisis'

[unmarkedX]

People who think 'tolerance' of Russia is a result of the fossil fuel dependency while deluding themselves into thinking that support for Georgia or darfour's separatists has nothing to do with pipelines and oil and would still constitute an issue if there was fuel independence.

These people are fanatics

They are the real danger

[semiliteratedgod]

"People who think 'tolerance' of Russia is a result of the fossil fuel dependency"

It's not "think", it's a fact, the Russian regime totally relies on extra profits from oil and gas ... in Jeltsin's time ($10/barrel or something) they relied on our humanitarian aid ...

"while deluding themselves into thinking that support for Georgia or darfour's separatists has nothing to do with pipelines and oil and would still constitute an issue"

look, everybody chooses their own issues and priorities...

[unmarkedX]

1st Surely US dependency is part of it but it is very far from being the whole story behind Russia's economic recovery

it is not US dependency that is directly feeding Russia

Russia supplies Europe not the US (the US is supplied primarily by the Middle East and S America)

And the Global price rise has to do with demand from Asia's industrialization, oil companies' greed, the weak dollar policy

[semiliteratedgod]

DUH Did I mention specifically US' oil dependency? Not really. The market is global anyway,doesn't matter where the demand comes from, the price just goes up.

And yes, US will never get involved militarily (not all American people are crazy, yet!)

But may increase the aid! Georgia doesn't have air defense or other hightech western weapons at all.

The more important question is, do you think there's less corruption and leaking of the treasury now in Russia? Could they survive now on $10/barrel?

[unmarkedX]

Well again not really

The market is theoretically global but practically it is not

Countries have preferential relationships in their exchanges

And companies own reserves and pipelines on foreign soil

So selective dependencies do exist

In any market, the demise or the limitation of a supplier, is not by definition bad news for every consumer

[unmarkedX]

A consumer that has a privileged relationship with other suppliers and importantly has positioned himself as an intermediary for supply to other consumers , is set to do very well out of a situation like that

[unmarkedX]

And anyway that was not my main point, which was

That oil dependency is (AT LEAST) as plausible a reason for US confrontation with Russia as it is for 'appeasement'

Could the US industry survive without Chinese manufacturing and loans?

Could the US preserve it's productivity and quality of life without foreign fuel (now, not 50 years from now and after spending trillions on RnD)?

[unmarkedX]

I seriously doubt that US herself can just walk away from international trade The name of the game is 'interdependency' rather than dependency I am afraid

[unmarkedX]

2nd

US dependency is not the reason the US is standing by and not becoming involved militarily

US dependency is the reason why the US is even diplomatically and politically interested in this

[unmarkedX]

Look, everybody chooses their own issues and priorities...

hahaha

Oh yes they do!

According to well defined common criteria and principals

Suddenly, I am less worried about you

You see, I now know your self-righteousness is an act

I believe you understand self-interest very well

[semiliteratedgod]

again, you didn't get it. What I meant is roughly: OTHERS MAY NOT GIVE A FUCK, BUT I MAY STILL BE INTERESTED IN GEORGIANS PEOPLE WELLBEING ... regardless of pipelines ...

The tendency itself is frightening. Estonia is a NATO member, without oil, but with a problematic (I would say abused) Russian minority. In a case of a similar scenario everybody must get involved ... that's why people will care about Moldavia too, even though it doesn't have oil! So you're wrong.

[unmarkedX]

OK ,OK

Please disregard my questioning how genuine your stance is

Nonetheless, I am certainly not wrong on the basis of this example regarding how all major players in international affairs employ double standard's routinely

The amount of attention Russians in Estonia have been getting in US and European media and diplomatic circles is very much consistent with my outlook

Second, the attempts that have been made to

[unmarkedX]

alleviate their situation have come from continental western Europeans ONLY (not the US, eastern Europeans or the Brits)

By a strange coincidence, the very same nations that are actually (unlike the US) 'dependent' on Russian fuel

BTW, since you have so widespread and unbiased sensitivities

You might want to look into Bosnian Serbs in Bosnia

[semiliteratedgod]

It was Russian provocation after all, KGB chinovniks in "rebel" uniform shot at nearby Georgian villages and blew up some vehicle with Georgian troops ... Russians stationed a shitload of troops near the boarder, don't buy into their fucking propaganda, it was a very well planed Russian invasion ...

[Shorackoff]

And where do you get that from? (the KGB attacking Georgian troops, btw, KGB ain't no longer in existance, you probably mean FSB)

[semiliteratedgod]

it's bullshit

[semiliteratedgod]

have you seen them?????

[semiliteratedgod]

agolosha, where the fuck have you spent the last few years? The media in Russia is EXTREMELY suppressed and censored!

Many journalists were killed and tortured...

It's virtually a dictatorship!

[averageworkinggal]

So how tall is Putin?

[h3kwon]

Some sources say 5 ft 7 in (170 cm),

others 5 ft 5 in (1.65 cm) (according to IMDB)

The more you know...

[averageworkinggal]

The difference between Serbia and Georgia.

Serbia was engaged in ethnic cleansing.

Georgia was the victim of ethnic cleansing with 10s of thousands of Georgian ethnics driven from South Ossetia or killed in the 1990s.

[CaosaNostra]

people like donkies today. what BBC and CNN show to them. they eat it.

I wanna see ur faces and what u will say when war will over and when people will see the true. and who helped to Georgia start a war.

you can talk your bullshit now. but we will see later.

[semiliteratedgod]

Russia is the superpower, lol! you're a joke bitchez, fucking Putinistan

[semiliteratedgod]

"Russian media suppressed in Georgia"

Is this a fucking Joke?? Russian media is fucking suppressed in Russia itself!

[SkynetAlex]

lol , Yea Russia peace keepers ) rape Georgia

[lawsonks]

Oh so I suppose you can justify American troups raping Japanese schoolgirls at their bases in Japan?

[Mikaberidze2]

Russian Channels are owned by Gasprom, carry out propaganda and if I am not mistaken, it is against the law to make fun of Putin, especialy about his height!

Russia is a superpower?! Since when? You are a wanna-be superpower! Unfortunately, your government is using one old Russian proverb "If you have strength you don't need brains!" (сила есть ума не надо) Good luck "super power".

[TheTroubledTroubador]

Tblisi wants peace, my ass