We The People - US Healthcare - 01 Sep 08 - Part 2

[anyname666]

This chick said-"IF THEY had found it 1 1/2 year earlier she would have a normal life.

CRAP if she had quit smoking 15 years ago she would have a normal life and could have bought insurance with the money she wasted on smokes.

Don't you just hate it that - those that abuse themselves and the system want the rest of us to come to their rescue.

You smoke - you take your life in YOUR hands. Do not ask me to come in on my white horse and bail you out of the problems you made for yourself.

[englishbook77]

My sister and I are Peruvians, she got married to an American and moved to Tampa, I moved to Spain got married to a kiwi and then we moved to London. After some months in UK I felt so bad for the amount of taxes that I pay ( 25%) in comparison to my sister and her husband which pay around 10 to 13 % ( include federal taxes) in States. However my feelings changed when I noticed how much my sister and her family spend in a private medical insurance

[Tihbialdunav]

@englishbook77 , in US the average tax rate in 35%, and still you get no medical until you reach 65(if you make it). US doesn't have paid maternity leave, free school and college education..

[englishbook77]

they told me that pays about 350 dollars per month and it does not cover all their necessities, sometimes just for appointment they should pay a fee of 30 to 40 dollars. But for me the health issue is totally different. Recently I made a check in the hospital about a funny pain in my stomach, 3 appointments, x ray and scanner tests, and the results were a fat in my liver, nothing serious, but all these did not take more than 2 weeks and I did not spend any cent ( Just the tube)

[MondoBeno]

This, and Michael Moore's documentary SICKO, don't show you the flipside of free universal heathcare.

In Britain, hospitals are filthy. You can get free medical treatment, but you may have to wait months for it (an some people die waiting). If you're over a certain age, you may be denied help. My school's Headmaster had kidney disease, but was denied free treatment because he was over 60.

If I need an operation that costs $60,000, I'm going to India or Thailand for it.

[keenanmartens]

Unfortunately those are a few of the biggest myths that are preventing america from fixing it's health care problem. The hospitals in britain are not filthy, they are emaculate and the wait lines are nowhere near as long as ppl think. Plus the hospitals are based on priority... so the severity of your condition will determine when you get treatment. This allows EVERYONE who truely needs the treatment, to get it. I'm not saying it's a perfect system... but it's far better than america's.

[hauskalainen]

Complete TOSH! '

As for the story of the Headmaster it cannot be true because it breaches Article 1 of the NHS Constitution which provides care "irrespective of gender, race, disability, age, sexual orientation, religion or belief".

I've lived 50 years in UK , seen many hospitals, & NONE could be described as "filthy"!

Nobody "dies" waiting. 2/3 are treated as emergencies or normal sched. Only 1/3 from a wait list. 67% of these are treated < 12 weeks after 1st referral.

[hauskalainen]

Personal physician refers to the hospital. CLOCK STARTS (a) Book the 1st specialist appointment, (b) make the first appointment, (c) schedule any tests (d) do the tests (e) 2nd specialist appointment (get the test results & discuss diagnosis. Agree the right treatment) (g) Schedule the agreed treatment (h) Begin the agreed treatment (e,g, an operation). Clock stops at point (h). In reality there is very little waiting cos its not really dead time.

[MrMakeDo]

What a load of rubbish. The NHS does not deny any care to people who need it. Hospitals are not filthy, the hospital that my mother had her hip replacement in was very clean, modern and efficient. Also an operation she would not have been able to afford on private healthcare. I am personally extremely grateful for everything the NHS has done.

[1dschamp]

@MondoBeno and the republican party propaganda machine continues with their bullshit.

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[bamboo4tameshigiri]

The US ranks 45th in overall world standards of health care. There are 3rd world nations with better care.

[basooome]

fuck capitalism - the most efficiently brutal and murderous system man has ever known!

[monymizer]

Yup, and all capitalism started with THEFT! Think about it! All crooks! Now they are even stealing our retirement in the U.S.

[Peacenik]

limiting social services like Health Care and Education is just another way to keep the poor lower class people demoralized, fearful and easier to control.

[roachmobile]

I can't help but notice that she waited 14 months for treatment. Yet the big sell against Universal Health Care is the wait time for ELECTIVE surgeries. This lady would have been treated right away in Canada (for example).

[biantai888]

This is exactly the reason why Al Jazeera is unavailable in America.

[Pigseye]

Al Jazeera is available in the US. Alas, the average US citizen is so provincial they won't accept information from anywhere that isn't from the US. NIH, Not Inveneted Here syndrome. Although it is interesting that they will accept FOX news and Rupert Murdoch. Interesting isn't it?

[biantai888]

I was unaware the English version was available. There was a huge resistance to getting it in the US.

[oceanbound222]

The US has turned to shit

[bethsheeba3]

This could soon be Australia....only money talks. No value in the ordinary people.

[bluenote71]

I highly advice that you all down under fight to prevent a change to private health care. Like they say: prevention is the best cure. You don't want what we have in the US, and don't wait till it's too late.

[askalice50]

Canada is going the same way. Private for-profit clinics are opening across the country and doctors are abusing our universal health care. Too many doctors get into the profession with an eye towards the big house, the boat and the country club membership.

[SilkSwe]

Fix your problems at home before trying to fix the rest of the world.

[hintil]

I hate this place, I hate this governed world. The hollow promises continue.

[marysherezade]

Instead of spending money on war and weapons of mass destruction, perhaps, more money should be invested in health care.

[sheepthing]

EXACTLY. It could also be spent on something like, oh I don't know, ANYTHING OTHER THAN WAR AND WEAPONS AND VIOLENCE.

[MrDarkbloom]

Shame on the US administrations. People can admire the US for it's good things, e.g freedom of speech etc, but the country is backwards in many respects compared with some other western countries.

[bib777]

MrDarkbloom, freedom of speech? I think you are being borderline delusional.

[MrDarkbloom]

Yeah, i know what you're saying, but i'm talking relatively - you know, compared to other countries. There is a definate freedom of information and freedom of speech in the US (you don't get thrown in prison for speaking out against the government etc), it's just that the media doesn't broadcast most of it. That's a different problem.

[mengwise36]

That is because you are not really speaking out against the government. Whether you are Democrat speaking out against a Republican administration or vice versa, you are just talking about policies.  Try start a socialist or even a communist movement and see how free you really are.

[MrDarkbloom]

Sure, for the most part i'm not disagreeing with you... The practical destruction of labour unions and narrow political spectrum leave much to be improved. Yes, there is certainly a limit to freedom in the US as in every country, but you must admit relatively there is a lot of freedom.. e.g the freedom of informations act is a very positive and useful thing which many countries don't have. I lived in Africa for a year and it made my country (UK) seem like a libertarian paradise!