@TwisterFlipp95 I read that it was a malignant tumor that was removed and she had 9 weeks of chemo, thank goodness they were able to get all of it, could have been much worse for sure.
shannon miller was so focused and form perfect back then, that i believe had she been given the routines that nastia and he kexin did in the 08 games that she would had given them a run for their money if not simply kicking their asses.
Compared to today's routines, this looks sort of easy... but she still did an amazing job -- maybe she's the reason it looks easy. I still sure as hell can't do any of it!
hi. i love the transition from the high bar to low bar at 0:12. can someone plz tell me why its not done anymore (at least of what ive seen?) is it not valued much in the new code of points or what? i think its cool. :D
it's still done, but nowadays they HAVE to land in a handstand on the low bar (which is what she was she was supposed to do here, but it wasn't a deduction under this code of points) so it looks different.
@bbhouk1 no its a different skill down to the low bar she wasn't supposed to land in handstand.. Its called a full turn down to the low bar into a kip, it was very popular back then and almost every gymnast did it, and none of them landed in handstand... So did you just think every gymnast was preforming the skill wrong? aha
that was 3 months ago, I was pretty stupid then....sounds dumb but it's true, I'm more of an expert on 50's through 70's gymnastics, after that I can't recommend my knowledge
1. Privately told Dominique Dawes: “If you start crying again and make Shannon cry, I’m going to smear Crazy Glue on the horse before your next vault, and when you stick it, you’re gonna rip the motherfucker out of the ground and get a 6.2 – unless Elfie has anything to say about it, in which case it’ll be lower.
Sacramones performance was terrible during the olympics and was the reason why Team USA lost. With that kind of performance and still made it to the national team, I wonder how many coaches did she have to sleep with in order to get the spot. Her ass is so fat, I think her ass is at least 20 pounds extra compared to her teammates. That was why she brought down Team USA. Stupid bitch should go to Jenny Craig. Alicia will go down as the worst, and most disgraceful gymnast in Olympic history.
If they deducted for every little mistake in scores nobody except Lu Li would have gotten over a 9.850. Obviously in 1992 that is not how scoring was done based on the outrageously high scores. The overall routine was considered, and the small mistakes counted with the overall routine and compared to others.
Listen up people now! everyone knows that shannon miller did a way better job in the 1992 games. i mean seriousley better choreogrphy, gutsu was good she did have difficult moves but she usually never stuck them or her legs were apart that never happened with shannon
everyone knows that shannon miller did a way better job in the 1992 games. i mean seriousley better choreogrphy, gutsu was good she did have difficult moves but she usually never stuck them or her legs were apart that never happened with shannon
I have watched all of Miller's and Gutsu's routines for the first time since they were originally shown in '92. I know much was made about the vault, but I think the floor Ex. was overlooked. Looking now at the videos, Gutsu's mistake on that first tumbling pass was quite big, and nowdays, she would probably not even get credit for it with that short of a landing, plus a deduction should have been made. Also, Miller's choreogrpahy was vastly superior, but I don't know how much that counted.
I thought both Gutsu and Miller had terrible choreography on FX. I remember somebody once commented that Gutsu danced like a traffic cop! But Miller's floor routine seemed to be composed of a lot of prissy arm waving which IMO, does not constitute as good choreography. She also had a big lunge backwards on her double pike which is considerably simpler than Gutsu's split leg double layout. I think the judges probably took that into consideration.
Shannon Miller was my favorite athlete at those Olympics, I was little at the time and only really knew a few gymnasts who weren't American, and I always rooted for her for being in other American gymnasts' shadows (like Kim). I really loved following her in the 90s and thought she held her own often against the awesome Europeans. She may not have been the most artistic or the most athletic, but she was very elegant and so hard working, and I loved watching her. Thanks for posting these!
Completely wrong. Gutsu had the huge lunge in her floor ex, a vastly inferior vault, and bar and beam routines full of tricks but completely devoid of flow, grace, or line. Gutsu was one of the ugliest, most classless Russians ever produced; turn her body type into a fireplug and she could be Mary Lou Wretched!
To whoever didn't like my comment about a double layout being more difficult: then why did Miller upgrade from a full-twisting double back to a double layout between Barcelona and the 1993 Worlds? Why did she switched to another twisting double to a double layout again between the 1995 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics even though the double layout was much more difficult for her since she had grown so much after 1993?
Thank you! I have all kinds of love for Chuso-now. I didn't really like her much as a kid-but she's been through a lot and more power to her for staying in the sport-I hope she and others bring back the era of the '50's and '60's when gymnasts were married with children and well into their 20's-or 30's!
oh my god! did she stick EVERYTHING in this competition! The vault she did was the most perfect thing i've ever seen in gymnastics. Even the first ten in olympic history, she is a wonderful gymast
She was the true all-around winner in my opinion. Sometimes I change my mind about competition as I see them years later, but I still think that Gutsu's lack of grace and mistake on her floor mount as well as her mediocre form on vault should have put her in second or third.
And Miller, unlike Gutsu, actually qualified for the AA Finals. Somehow the third competitor from the Russian team was suddenly unable to compete - which opened the door for Gutsu to take part in the AA. Otherwise, she wouldn't have won squat.
Gutsu did not deserve to be in the finals. In qualifying, she had taken a fall and was in tears; Miller had never faltered on anything. that Galieva had been overscored, unlike gutsu, she was consistent, and she rightfully should have been in the finals. Galieva was the one who earned it, not gutsu. (another robbery by team gutsu). everyone knows that Shannon was robbed of the gold medal, and hell ya, if it wasn't for that open door opportunity, gutsu wouldn't have won squat!!
Gutsu definitely deserved to be in the AA final. Even though Galieva technically qualified above her, Gutsu was still less than a tenth behind her, even with a .5 deduction for the fall on her beam mount. This means that Galieva had virtually no chance of medaling in the AA, but Gutsu would be a top contender if she hit all her routines. Which she pretty much did. :)
This is true. But Gutsu's form on her vault wasn't the best out there while Shannon rocked it. She maybe didn't flair out her arms as well as Laschenova did in the '89 Worlds (her vault was the best Yurchenko full I've seen imo).
Exactly. People seem to forget that Gutsu's vault didn't need to be as good as Miller's in order to win. As for this bar routine, both release moves and the dismount hugged the high bar and she often caught them with bent arms (which is a form deduction). Her giant swings weren't very aggressive either.
I agree. Also people act like the judges thought Gutsu's vault was better. Miller's vault tied for the highest with 1 other. Gutsu s was only a 5-way tie for 5th highest. So the judges did consider Miller the clearly better vault and Gutsu still won. If beam was marked properly it wouldnt have been close. The only event Miller legitimately outdid Gutsu was vault, but the judges wrongfully gave her a higher beam score which was a gift.
It's so weird looking at her back then compared to now, struggling with ovarian cancer and all.
TwisterFlipp95 8 months ago
@TwisterFlipp95 really? I didn't know that, hopefully she beats it :(
tmwalkerm 8 months ago
@tmwalkerm
Yeah, me too :( It's not really ovarian cancer; it's a tumor that causes it. She had to go through chemo though.
TwisterFlipp95 8 months ago
@TwisterFlipp95 I read that it was a malignant tumor that was removed and she had 9 weeks of chemo, thank goodness they were able to get all of it, could have been much worse for sure.
tmwalkerm 8 months ago
shannon miller was so focused and form perfect back then, that i believe had she been given the routines that nastia and he kexin did in the 08 games that she would had given them a run for their money if not simply kicking their asses.
terpsichore1974 11 months ago
Compared to today's routines, this looks sort of easy... but she still did an amazing job -- maybe she's the reason it looks easy. I still sure as hell can't do any of it!
msbunnypaws 1 year ago
hi. i love the transition from the high bar to low bar at 0:12. can someone plz tell me why its not done anymore (at least of what ive seen?) is it not valued much in the new code of points or what? i think its cool. :D
dannyradar 1 year ago
@dannyradar
it's still done, but nowadays they HAVE to land in a handstand on the low bar (which is what she was she was supposed to do here, but it wasn't a deduction under this code of points) so it looks different.
shawn johnson performed it
bbhouk1 1 year ago
@bbhouk1 no its a different skill down to the low bar she wasn't supposed to land in handstand.. Its called a full turn down to the low bar into a kip, it was very popular back then and almost every gymnast did it, and none of them landed in handstand... So did you just think every gymnast was preforming the skill wrong? aha
peepers2221 11 months ago
@peepers2221
that was 3 months ago, I was pretty stupid then....sounds dumb but it's true, I'm more of an expert on 50's through 70's gymnastics, after that I can't recommend my knowledge
:D
bbhouk1 11 months ago
@bbhouk1 lol but she was doing the skill right(;
peepers2221 11 months ago
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1. Privately told Dominique Dawes: “If you start crying again and make Shannon cry, I’m going to smear Crazy Glue on the horse before your next vault, and when you stick it, you’re gonna rip the motherfucker out of the ground and get a 6.2 – unless Elfie has anything to say about it, in which case it’ll be lower.
PLANETIMAGE1 1 year ago
no one could be as consistent with sticking a landing like shannon!
luv4cookie1 2 years ago 3
woww! thats all i can say is woww! i met herr two years ago and watched her do her beam excersisee.
ronigirl27 2 years ago
they used to work the bars so cleanly back then!!!! now it's all labored and at least 40 giants with 100 pirouettes on top of the bar!!! too much!!!
GosfordAbercrombie 2 years ago 14
What a dismount! She stuck it so precisely, incredible!
Paraiah 2 years ago
Shannon Miller absolutely deserved that AA Gold Medal. She did.
Nasiir48 2 years ago 26
wow i had no clue Shannon was so amazing on the bars!! i wasnt expecting that but its sooo good
ritabee86 2 years ago 2
She is so talented!
pauldavisfan 2 years ago 2
Is it just me or except for that release pirouette her and Gutsu's bar routines are exactly the same.
gymnasticsloverxoxo 2 years ago
In EF she should have silvered, Gutsu should have bronzed.
caramelcreamsauce 3 years ago 2
IMO no i think it should have gone
1. Lu Li
2. Kim Gwang Suk
3. Shannon Miller
iLoveMyiPod2008 2 years ago
:)
maybe :)
Pasca was rObBed because she was 1st up tho. she deserved a medal.
caramelcreamsauce 2 years ago 3
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Sacramones performance was terrible during the olympics and was the reason why Team USA lost. With that kind of performance and still made it to the national team, I wonder how many coaches did she have to sleep with in order to get the spot. Her ass is so fat, I think her ass is at least 20 pounds extra compared to her teammates. That was why she brought down Team USA. Stupid bitch should go to Jenny Craig. Alicia will go down as the worst, and most disgraceful gymnast in Olympic history.
joecane42 2 years ago
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Wrong, Miller shouldnt have medaled in bar finals. Lu Li, Gustu, Gwang Suck, and Pasca were all better.
serenakicksass 2 years ago
Ties were possible.
Gwang Suk had a step on her landing.
Maybe:
1. Lu Li - 10.0 (duh)
2. Pasca - 9.975
3. Miller & Gutsu - 9.95's
There was very little wrong with Shannon's routine, so yes, she should have medaled :)
caramelcreamsauce 2 years ago 4
Gold- Lu Li- 10
2. Gwang Suk- 9.987
3-tie. Gutsu and Pasca- 9.975
5. Miller- 9.950
serenakicksass 2 years ago
Gwang suk a 9.987 with a step? interesting.
caramelcreamsauce 2 years ago 4
If they deducted for every little mistake in scores nobody except Lu Li would have gotten over a 9.850. Obviously in 1992 that is not how scoring was done based on the outrageously high scores. The overall routine was considered, and the small mistakes counted with the overall routine and compared to others.
serenakicksass 2 years ago
True, but I still think Kim did not deserve 9.987 with the step, sorry :)
caramelcreamsauce 2 years ago 5
russian skating fan im sorry she is a bitch, sorry it is just you said the same about me..
maxy7792 3 years ago 3
she has great control on the bars here and doesn't lose momentum. Beautiful, slick, and energetic. Fantastic!
lithuana333 3 years ago 6
Listen up people now! everyone knows that shannon miller did a way better job in the 1992 games. i mean seriousley better choreogrphy, gutsu was good she did have difficult moves but she usually never stuck them or her legs were apart that never happened with shannon
millerowns 3 years ago 6
wow shes amazing
glamzonian09 3 years ago
u can never see anything this good
maxy7792 3 years ago
Bar routines these days aren't as amazing as this anymore.....
sammiisammy 3 years ago
this routine is amazing but actually bar routines now are amazingly harder and better
kanpen 3 years ago
everyone knows that shannon miller did a way better job in the 1992 games. i mean seriousley better choreogrphy, gutsu was good she did have difficult moves but she usually never stuck them or her legs were apart that never happened with shannon
maxy7792 3 years ago
I have watched all of Miller's and Gutsu's routines for the first time since they were originally shown in '92. I know much was made about the vault, but I think the floor Ex. was overlooked. Looking now at the videos, Gutsu's mistake on that first tumbling pass was quite big, and nowdays, she would probably not even get credit for it with that short of a landing, plus a deduction should have been made. Also, Miller's choreogrpahy was vastly superior, but I don't know how much that counted.
prettyleaf 3 years ago
I thought both Gutsu and Miller had terrible choreography on FX. I remember somebody once commented that Gutsu danced like a traffic cop! But Miller's floor routine seemed to be composed of a lot of prissy arm waving which IMO, does not constitute as good choreography. She also had a big lunge backwards on her double pike which is considerably simpler than Gutsu's split leg double layout. I think the judges probably took that into consideration.
gk891 3 years ago 2
excellent bars pointed toes and great dismount
MiMi11422 3 years ago 4
Shannon Miller was my favorite athlete at those Olympics, I was little at the time and only really knew a few gymnasts who weren't American, and I always rooted for her for being in other American gymnasts' shadows (like Kim). I really loved following her in the 90s and thought she held her own often against the awesome Europeans. She may not have been the most artistic or the most athletic, but she was very elegant and so hard working, and I loved watching her. Thanks for posting these!
billyjill 3 years ago 4
Completely wrong. Gutsu had the huge lunge in her floor ex, a vastly inferior vault, and bar and beam routines full of tricks but completely devoid of flow, grace, or line. Gutsu was one of the ugliest, most classless Russians ever produced; turn her body type into a fireplug and she could be Mary Lou Wretched!
tightlygagged 3 years ago
No, it's not.
ComtessedeLaFere 3 years ago
To whoever didn't like my comment about a double layout being more difficult: then why did Miller upgrade from a full-twisting double back to a double layout between Barcelona and the 1993 Worlds? Why did she switched to another twisting double to a double layout again between the 1995 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics even though the double layout was much more difficult for her since she had grown so much after 1993?
ComtessedeLaFere 3 years ago
I love that hop-full on bars-is it called the Miller? Shannon is the first gymnast I can remember doing that move.
audie83 3 years ago
I believe Chusovitina is credited with the skill.
TuesdayPillow 3 years ago
Thank you! I have all kinds of love for Chuso-now. I didn't really like her much as a kid-but she's been through a lot and more power to her for staying in the sport-I hope she and others bring back the era of the '50's and '60's when gymnasts were married with children and well into their 20's-or 30's!
audie83 3 years ago
That would be great - let's hope too that the maturity could lend to better artistic presentation.
TuesdayPillow 3 years ago
she was only 15
MeganIsCoolio 3 years ago
what was her score here?
gymnasticslover3000 3 years ago
9.925
todosobretodo 3 years ago
oh my god! did she stick EVERYTHING in this competition! The vault she did was the most perfect thing i've ever seen in gymnastics. Even the first ten in olympic history, she is a wonderful gymast
gymnasticslover3000 3 years ago 3
gymnasticslover3000 ... I agree with you completely!!!
todosobretodo 3 years ago
She was the true all-around winner in my opinion. Sometimes I change my mind about competition as I see them years later, but I still think that Gutsu's lack of grace and mistake on her floor mount as well as her mediocre form on vault should have put her in second or third.
TuesdayPillow 3 years ago
her cast handstands were actually watchable then!
itchyorion 4 years ago 2
why did she not win again? (sarcasm)
luvhelmet 4 years ago
i like her giant fulls!
gw2012ogm 4 years ago
And Miller, unlike Gutsu, actually qualified for the AA Finals. Somehow the third competitor from the Russian team was suddenly unable to compete - which opened the door for Gutsu to take part in the AA. Otherwise, she wouldn't have won squat.
pellebravesskylar 4 years ago
If Galieva hadnt been overscored in the team competition on basically every event she would have not have qualified anyway.
russianskatingfan 4 years ago
Gutsu did not deserve to be in the finals. In qualifying, she had taken a fall and was in tears; Miller had never faltered on anything. that Galieva had been overscored, unlike gutsu, she was consistent, and she rightfully should have been in the finals. Galieva was the one who earned it, not gutsu. (another robbery by team gutsu). everyone knows that Shannon was robbed of the gold medal, and hell ya, if it wasn't for that open door opportunity, gutsu wouldn't have won squat!!
adglen41112 4 years ago 3
I agree on all counts!
pellebravesskylar 4 years ago
Gutsu definitely deserved to be in the AA final. Even though Galieva technically qualified above her, Gutsu was still less than a tenth behind her, even with a .5 deduction for the fall on her beam mount. This means that Galieva had virtually no chance of medaling in the AA, but Gutsu would be a top contender if she hit all her routines. Which she pretty much did. :)
grantsherman23 4 years ago
it was roza galieyva...the coache faked an injury for galiyeva so tatiana could get it. Bull shit
gymnasticsforever95 3 years ago
it was roza galieyva...the coache faked an injury for galiyeva so tatiana could get it. Bull shit
gymnasticsforever95 3 years ago
it was roza galieyva...the coache faked an injury for galiyeva so tatiana could get it. Bull shit
gymnasticsforever95 3 years ago
Totally sucks. Shannon reminds me of a bird in flight, she's so elegant and fluid.
pellebravesskylar 3 years ago 2
Shannon deserved the gold in the all around, hands down. It all came down to the vault, and hers was soooo much better than Gutsu's.
violet46 3 years ago
Shannon though did outscore Gutsu on vault. Gutsu was ahead coming into vault so managed to win even with a lower score on vault.
russianskatingfan 3 years ago 2
This is true. But Gutsu's form on her vault wasn't the best out there while Shannon rocked it. She maybe didn't flair out her arms as well as Laschenova did in the '89 Worlds (her vault was the best Yurchenko full I've seen imo).
audie83 3 years ago 2
Exactly. People seem to forget that Gutsu's vault didn't need to be as good as Miller's in order to win. As for this bar routine, both release moves and the dismount hugged the high bar and she often caught them with bent arms (which is a form deduction). Her giant swings weren't very aggressive either.
gk891 3 years ago
I agree. Also people act like the judges thought Gutsu's vault was better. Miller's vault tied for the highest with 1 other. Gutsu s was only a 5-way tie for 5th highest. So the judges did consider Miller the clearly better vault and Gutsu still won. If beam was marked properly it wouldnt have been close. The only event Miller legitimately outdid Gutsu was vault, but the judges wrongfully gave her a higher beam score which was a gift.
russianskatingfan 3 years ago
i love her hight on that one full above the bar.
dominiquemoceanu90 4 years ago 2
amazing routine. QUITE flawless and pretty dfficult
HoneyGotMeHooked 4 years ago 3
she beat Gutsu fair and square and everyone inculding the judges knew it...
gymnasticsforever17 4 years ago 2
love the stuck landing.
kellyyyyx92 4 years ago 2
such good form
gymnasticsforever17 4 years ago 2