@TomSpartan218 I hope your correct! I would want nothing more than to see the PrideFC format, ring & tournaments brought back! & the "unified rules" read its last rites.
@TomSpartan218 I agree 100% PrideFC has been the epitome of MMA thu far!
ufc is nothing but a reality show charade! how they managed to sell everyone on this unified rules bullshit is beyond me. I suppose were getting just what we deserve with this ufc garbage; for being so fad conscience & feeble minded. When PrideFC came to town with 2 super stacked fight card that still hold up to this day. No one showed support, attendance was nothing spectacular & the PPV buys were dismal.
@TomSpartan218 a healthy Shogun should be heavily favored even under these bullshit god forsaken rules ufc. I just hope his knees hold up he's been having frequent trouble with them to the point of requiring multiple surgeries.
@judaschongo Man you're talking straight out your ass. UFC is not MMA? Tell me what REAL MMA is supposed to be? MMA would be nothing like it is without UFC. You're precious Pride(I respect Pride, ofcourse, it was awesome while it lasted) died out 5 yers ago, where would MMA be today if not for UFC?
@TomSpartan218 (dana white post-fight declaration) that Shogun's knee was re-injured during the fight; and NOT before the fight like it actually had.
you consider Machida to have a more fluent striking game? Shogun is superior there too; just consider their quality of competition & the result of their last fight; and it wasn't NO luck. Machida is nothing special on the ground either! did you forget he was almost submitted by a freak, semi-exhausted attempt of a triangle choke by Tito Ortiz.
@TomSpartan218 overestimate/overrated same concept; I was just using a gentler euphemism; didn't want to offend.
practically everyone says they're 100% ready before a fight; but once again, you know his knee was damaged before the Griffin fight which lead to the subsequent ACL surgical repair. What about his recent Machida victory? Shogun had his appendix removed 2 weeks prior & had even re-injured his knee. Totally contradicting dana white's open lie to the public; where he stated he hurt....
@TomSpartan218 Machida is overestimated; Shogun is the real deal. Luck happens? it really does when preparation & opportunity meet but you can't write off Rua's win as purely circumstantial. You can make a case for Shogun winning the 1st rd against Griffin; but you know during that fight Shogun was plagued with ACL damge with resulted in serious surgery. Machida is NOT better in any way than Shogun; ask yourself this: could Lyoto of done what Mauricio did during the PrideFC 2005 Middleweight GP?
I've always been a Machida criticizer, personally never understood the word "Great" being applied to him or "Machida era". When they were 1st slated to fight, the vast majority gave Shogun almost no chance; I just thought: does this uninformed public or analysts even know anything outside ufc?
Lyoto fought Penn a natural 155'er(albeit a great 1) and virtually lost every exchange on the feet. I just can't imagine Rua, Minotouro or Rampage struggling against any Lightweight? no matter how great
@judaschongo So what about when he was fighting in the ring before he made it to the UFC? Obviously evasion and footwook is important which is why both the ring and the octagon are the size it is. Calling the octagon oversize because of Machida's movement just says that you perfer a mindless slugfest. I personally perfer the smarter method fighting..
@tman229 far from it; never do I prefer a mindless slug fest? now that you mention though that seems to be all the ufc seems to promotes & produce. In a recent MMA magazine naming the Greatest fights in the sport thus far; probably conducted by mindless "unified rules" slanted pollsters & people like mr. white himself, had the nerve to vote that skill-less Bonnar vs Griffin garbage to the top spot?
@judaschongo Completely agree with you on that. I myself can't see what was so great about that pure slugfest and little to no skill or technique of a match. Also yes UFC seems to promote those kinds of fights alot which is kind of sad.
I had him winning the first 3 rounds. I don't know about 4. But I completely agree about Shogun going for points and Machida trying to finish the fight. I don't know what everyone else saw. The problem was with that fight in which I was hoping he would change is that he is mostly a head hunter especially with the straight. I was hoping the 2nd fight he'd attack the body more and sweep to blow his cardio but he did the same stuff and became more aggresive and got countered.
@tman229 you had Machida winning the 1st fight? ultimately the lame judges proved that skewed view & theory correct. But the public outcry of fans & analysts alike who more than justifiably had Shogun winning was astounding.
You label Shogun as fighting for points? Shogun was pushing the entire pace of their 1st, and 2nd encounter for that matter. Lyoto wasn't caught for being overly aggressive? he was being his typical EVASIVE self, and simply fell to the superior fighter AGAIN.
@judaschongo Not gonna go on about the first match again so that ended. However, you are very confused on the agressive and evasion part. Yes he was still evading because that is his fight. However, do you normally see Machida throwing straights just for the hell of it? No. Machida is a patient fighter and throws attacks (especially his straight) when open for counter. Instead Machida was the one pushing to KO and he got countered and finished by Shogun thus being too aggresive. Simple fact.
@tman229 I vehemently disagree! and so do many others. It appears that what you're doing is justifying Lyoto's style of fight? not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's your preference? but you must admit its not proven to be as successful as Rua's in concluding fights(obviously).
If what U meant was: Machida tried to KO Shogun, with those several strikes? prior to Shogun stopping him, then that's valid. But NOT that Machida did more, or had more desire to win by KO? than Shogun did
@judaschongo Machida went from winning a controversial decision to getting KO'ed 1st round and all Rua changed was throwing more punches that some barely hit. It's not like Rua penetrated Machida's defense and KO'ed him. That would of been a different story. Machida threw a wide open straight and the counter striker got counter struck. All you are doing is looking at Machida's move sets but you are not looking at the tactical side which is why you can't realize the truth.
@tman229 how about this for tactics? Machida was back-peddling in his usual fashion during his KO loss with his head up & chin in the air, a big no no from a tactical standpoint. Shogun caught his attention early by simply pushing through his nervous evasive defense. Shogun indeed penetrated earlier in the round with a series of punches that either slightly hurt or set off alarm bells in Machida's head. Those are the facts.
@judaschongo You mean that tap of a fist that was overhyped by the commentary during all of shogun's flurries? Omg please. How many other fighters get tapped with something like that and nothing is said but when Machida get's hit with that then it's a big deal and he's seriously hurt? Same with the first round in the Silva and Sonnen fight when Silva had his hands down just absorbing those punches like nothing but commentary hyped it up. Shogun didn't penetrate anything.
@tman229 you make a valid point, those commentators are a pair of buffoons! they make a big deal out of nothing. Machida is also an expert in evasiveness & gauging distance I realize that. In their 1st fight I'm sure U remember the only meaningful exchange(if I recall correctly)happened in the 3rd. U know the 1, where Machida was driving Shogun to the fence w/effective counter strikes, but then Rua landed a hard looping right cross the completely halted the attack and even hurt Lyoto.
@judaschongo Well thing is there (if still refering to the first fight 3rd round) is that yet again Machida was countered after being to aggressive. Machida is a great defensive fighter but his offense does lack sadly. What gave Rua such a advantage is being able to halt Machida's straight counter which is his strongest feat. Machida is a head hunter so all Rua had to do was cover his face after a attack. That being said, Rua was able to stop his attack but not penetrate his defense.
@judaschongo Also let's add the first fight between them in the first round? Shogun's punch in the two punches 1st round of that fight connected better than the one you spoke about. Did that or those other hits stop Machida from from going to a decision? No, it did not. So what makes you think that the punch he have machida in the 2nd fight made a impact to him being countered and KO'ed?
@tman229 My opinion is that Shogun did somewhat hurt Lyoto in the 2nd fight prior to the KO. Whether you agree of not? that's a different story. Granted or it could of been due to Lyoto himself going for the kill & getting caught or for simply trying to mix it up? whatever the reason. Shogun does deserve credit for the frenetic pace he pushes & for the different algorithms & varieties to his attacks. It's also as you say Shogun simply timed him perfectly; not bad for having an injured knee too.
@judaschongo Oh by no means i'm taking credit from Rua first or second fight. He is obviously a great tactician of a fighter as well. The counter was amazingly well timed and quick and the quick following mount and finish was great as well. I was more disappointed in Machida because I had hoped he would add something new in his arsenal and wouldn't keep head hunting with that straight. Now i'm hoping he shows improvement in his fight with rampage.
@judaschongo Also if any attack during that second fight hurt Machida then it would of been the elbow slash right after the clinch on the cage but I don't think that did as much damage either.
@judaschongo To the second part. I'm saying that Machida was rushing for the KO'ed cause he felt pressured. If Machida stuck to his roots of being patient, i'm not going so far to say he would win but he would of most definately lasted longer than the 1st round. Also no one said, who had the most desire to win or did more. Where did you even come from?
@TomSpartan218 I hope your correct! I would want nothing more than to see the PrideFC format, ring & tournaments brought back! & the "unified rules" read its last rites.
ufc is NOT MMA!
judaschongo 1 year ago
@TomSpartan218 I agree 100% PrideFC has been the epitome of MMA thu far!
ufc is nothing but a reality show charade! how they managed to sell everyone on this unified rules bullshit is beyond me. I suppose were getting just what we deserve with this ufc garbage; for being so fad conscience & feeble minded. When PrideFC came to town with 2 super stacked fight card that still hold up to this day. No one showed support, attendance was nothing spectacular & the PPV buys were dismal.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@TomSpartan218 a healthy Shogun should be heavily favored even under these bullshit god forsaken rules ufc. I just hope his knees hold up he's been having frequent trouble with them to the point of requiring multiple surgeries.
ufc is NOT MMA!
Shogun knows what REAL MMA/ValeTudo is!
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Man you're talking straight out your ass. UFC is not MMA? Tell me what REAL MMA is supposed to be? MMA would be nothing like it is without UFC. You're precious Pride(I respect Pride, ofcourse, it was awesome while it lasted) died out 5 yers ago, where would MMA be today if not for UFC?
IsolationInstigation 3 months ago
@TomSpartan218 (dana white post-fight declaration) that Shogun's knee was re-injured during the fight; and NOT before the fight like it actually had.
you consider Machida to have a more fluent striking game? Shogun is superior there too; just consider their quality of competition & the result of their last fight; and it wasn't NO luck. Machida is nothing special on the ground either! did you forget he was almost submitted by a freak, semi-exhausted attempt of a triangle choke by Tito Ortiz.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@TomSpartan218 overestimate/overrated same concept; I was just using a gentler euphemism; didn't want to offend.
practically everyone says they're 100% ready before a fight; but once again, you know his knee was damaged before the Griffin fight which lead to the subsequent ACL surgical repair. What about his recent Machida victory? Shogun had his appendix removed 2 weeks prior & had even re-injured his knee. Totally contradicting dana white's open lie to the public; where he stated he hurt....
judaschongo 1 year ago
@TomSpartan218 Machida is overestimated; Shogun is the real deal. Luck happens? it really does when preparation & opportunity meet but you can't write off Rua's win as purely circumstantial. You can make a case for Shogun winning the 1st rd against Griffin; but you know during that fight Shogun was plagued with ACL damge with resulted in serious surgery. Machida is NOT better in any way than Shogun; ask yourself this: could Lyoto of done what Mauricio did during the PrideFC 2005 Middleweight GP?
judaschongo 1 year ago
urine therapy
machida needs to drink shogun urine now
thedamgame 1 year ago
I've always been a Machida criticizer, personally never understood the word "Great" being applied to him or "Machida era". When they were 1st slated to fight, the vast majority gave Shogun almost no chance; I just thought: does this uninformed public or analysts even know anything outside ufc?
Lyoto fought Penn a natural 155'er(albeit a great 1) and virtually lost every exchange on the feet. I just can't imagine Rua, Minotouro or Rampage struggling against any Lightweight? no matter how great
judaschongo 1 year ago
what people don't realize is that Machida's style of fight is also enhanced and aided by the unnecessarily over-sized octagon.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo So what about when he was fighting in the ring before he made it to the UFC? Obviously evasion and footwook is important which is why both the ring and the octagon are the size it is. Calling the octagon oversize because of Machida's movement just says that you perfer a mindless slugfest. I personally perfer the smarter method fighting..
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 far from it; never do I prefer a mindless slug fest? now that you mention though that seems to be all the ufc seems to promotes & produce. In a recent MMA magazine naming the Greatest fights in the sport thus far; probably conducted by mindless "unified rules" slanted pollsters & people like mr. white himself, had the nerve to vote that skill-less Bonnar vs Griffin garbage to the top spot?
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Completely agree with you on that. I myself can't see what was so great about that pure slugfest and little to no skill or technique of a match. Also yes UFC seems to promote those kinds of fights alot which is kind of sad.
tman229 1 year ago
Lyoto is seriously mistaken in saying: Shogun was fighting for a points victory?
judaschongo 1 year ago
lyoto machida vs rampage jackson
ufc 123 in november
MALIRIPPA 1 year ago
I had him winning the first 3 rounds. I don't know about 4. But I completely agree about Shogun going for points and Machida trying to finish the fight. I don't know what everyone else saw. The problem was with that fight in which I was hoping he would change is that he is mostly a head hunter especially with the straight. I was hoping the 2nd fight he'd attack the body more and sweep to blow his cardio but he did the same stuff and became more aggresive and got countered.
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 you had Machida winning the 1st fight? ultimately the lame judges proved that skewed view & theory correct. But the public outcry of fans & analysts alike who more than justifiably had Shogun winning was astounding.
You label Shogun as fighting for points? Shogun was pushing the entire pace of their 1st, and 2nd encounter for that matter. Lyoto wasn't caught for being overly aggressive? he was being his typical EVASIVE self, and simply fell to the superior fighter AGAIN.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Not gonna go on about the first match again so that ended. However, you are very confused on the agressive and evasion part. Yes he was still evading because that is his fight. However, do you normally see Machida throwing straights just for the hell of it? No. Machida is a patient fighter and throws attacks (especially his straight) when open for counter. Instead Machida was the one pushing to KO and he got countered and finished by Shogun thus being too aggresive. Simple fact.
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 I vehemently disagree! and so do many others. It appears that what you're doing is justifying Lyoto's style of fight? not that there's anything wrong with that, if that's your preference? but you must admit its not proven to be as successful as Rua's in concluding fights(obviously).
If what U meant was: Machida tried to KO Shogun, with those several strikes? prior to Shogun stopping him, then that's valid. But NOT that Machida did more, or had more desire to win by KO? than Shogun did
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Machida went from winning a controversial decision to getting KO'ed 1st round and all Rua changed was throwing more punches that some barely hit. It's not like Rua penetrated Machida's defense and KO'ed him. That would of been a different story. Machida threw a wide open straight and the counter striker got counter struck. All you are doing is looking at Machida's move sets but you are not looking at the tactical side which is why you can't realize the truth.
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 how about this for tactics? Machida was back-peddling in his usual fashion during his KO loss with his head up & chin in the air, a big no no from a tactical standpoint. Shogun caught his attention early by simply pushing through his nervous evasive defense. Shogun indeed penetrated earlier in the round with a series of punches that either slightly hurt or set off alarm bells in Machida's head. Those are the facts.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo You mean that tap of a fist that was overhyped by the commentary during all of shogun's flurries? Omg please. How many other fighters get tapped with something like that and nothing is said but when Machida get's hit with that then it's a big deal and he's seriously hurt? Same with the first round in the Silva and Sonnen fight when Silva had his hands down just absorbing those punches like nothing but commentary hyped it up. Shogun didn't penetrate anything.
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 you make a valid point, those commentators are a pair of buffoons! they make a big deal out of nothing. Machida is also an expert in evasiveness & gauging distance I realize that. In their 1st fight I'm sure U remember the only meaningful exchange(if I recall correctly)happened in the 3rd. U know the 1, where Machida was driving Shogun to the fence w/effective counter strikes, but then Rua landed a hard looping right cross the completely halted the attack and even hurt Lyoto.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Yea I do remember that. That shot did hurt Machida as you saw him clinch with Rua to not take another hit.
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 the reality were left with is this: Rua took Lyoto's punch, but Lyoto couldn't take Rua's.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Well thing is there (if still refering to the first fight 3rd round) is that yet again Machida was countered after being to aggressive. Machida is a great defensive fighter but his offense does lack sadly. What gave Rua such a advantage is being able to halt Machida's straight counter which is his strongest feat. Machida is a head hunter so all Rua had to do was cover his face after a attack. That being said, Rua was able to stop his attack but not penetrate his defense.
tman229 1 year ago
@judaschongo Also let's add the first fight between them in the first round? Shogun's punch in the two punches 1st round of that fight connected better than the one you spoke about. Did that or those other hits stop Machida from from going to a decision? No, it did not. So what makes you think that the punch he have machida in the 2nd fight made a impact to him being countered and KO'ed?
tman229 1 year ago
@tman229 My opinion is that Shogun did somewhat hurt Lyoto in the 2nd fight prior to the KO. Whether you agree of not? that's a different story. Granted or it could of been due to Lyoto himself going for the kill & getting caught or for simply trying to mix it up? whatever the reason. Shogun does deserve credit for the frenetic pace he pushes & for the different algorithms & varieties to his attacks. It's also as you say Shogun simply timed him perfectly; not bad for having an injured knee too.
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Oh by no means i'm taking credit from Rua first or second fight. He is obviously a great tactician of a fighter as well. The counter was amazingly well timed and quick and the quick following mount and finish was great as well. I was more disappointed in Machida because I had hoped he would add something new in his arsenal and wouldn't keep head hunting with that straight. Now i'm hoping he shows improvement in his fight with rampage.
tman229 1 year ago
@judaschongo Also if any attack during that second fight hurt Machida then it would of been the elbow slash right after the clinch on the cage but I don't think that did as much damage either.
tman229 1 year ago
@judaschongo To the second part. I'm saying that Machida was rushing for the KO'ed cause he felt pressured. If Machida stuck to his roots of being patient, i'm not going so far to say he would win but he would of most definately lasted longer than the 1st round. Also no one said, who had the most desire to win or did more. Where did you even come from?
tman229 1 year ago
Hey man keep uploading sensei tv videos.Almost all my favorite fighter are Brazilian adn I still can't speak Portuguese.
RileyOcelot 1 year ago
No Lyoto you had the advantage in 3 rounds...maybe in two.
RileyOcelot 1 year ago
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thepts 1 year ago