HD Starcraft 2 oGs.Top v ZZayohopros g1 p2/2

[HDCybersun]

TvP Balance= No Stim, No Emp.

Cheers!

[noenting]

can u stack storms in sc2 ? couldent in bw...

[Arikiel]

Poor bear thing wanders into the crossfire at 10:00 ;_;

[wilezra]

anyone know what the toss player was typing in the last few minutes of the game? i'm just curious if he was raging.

[timorbit]

Oh what's wrong Zzayohopros? Your strategy of rolling your face across your keyboard to warp in a bunch of HTs and spam storm all over didn't work this time? Poor you :(

[johnchen0213]

nuke is so weak!!! blizzard please make nuke stronger... you need 6 nukes to kill a nexus

[SupaPoopaScoopa]

@johnchen0213 Don't forget protoss regenerated it's shields very quickly. Nukes only cost 100x100 what do you want a end game button? And I'm sure it doesn't take more then 4 to kill a nexus, more like 3 when timed right.

[johnchen0213]

@SupaPoopaScoopa so? 100x100 x4 is 400x400, but nexus only cost 400x0... plus nukes takes really long to build and to shoot.

[NathBonn]

do kills after a player has gg'd and left count towards achievements ect?

[GinToYura]

excellent



[Tysoncampbell69]

protoss player needs to change his name. NOT SUITING AT ALL

[jayzojayzo55]

damn, 8 pages of imbalance stupidity, i was hoping there might be some translations :(

[Jioaa1988]

Toss did a terrible job.. Decent macro, but no transitioning, and straight defensive play.. You're not going to win much with that technique..

[TheFIRESTARX]

once again launching another nuke? does that make scence?

[alsdjflaksjghalklaks]

@TheFIRESTARX Seriously right? I would have just nuked his base since A) all toss army was in mid and B) the terran had medivacs.

[jorge23000]

I dont know why I keep looking games between protoss and terran...... protoss never wins.

[jayzojayzo55]

@jorge23000 yeah especially not in any sort of competition, and definitely never in the GSL, not ever in the grand final!... oh wait...

[DjZeaklous]

6:30 - 7:13 WTF

baddie terran to lose all those units. Toss obviously had the position advantage and the terran made no attempt to flank or hit another area

[LauchEleven]

iif he had mass void rays, i'd just have lol'd

[mrawesomesupercool]

Why didn't the protoss just gg at the end? wasn't his defeat painful to watch?

[kalerite]

@9:58 watch the bear NOOOOOOO!!

[shuangxing66]

lol 300min 300gas to kill a nexus... ogstop is just screwing around with his opponent.

[PhantomCraft]

@shuangxing66 plus the ghost killed 27 units so i think it payed 4 it

[SuperJStidham]

this protoss is trash. oGsTop is clearly toying with him, especially after the debacle of their 3-part "epic" game that HD also cast on Metalopolis.. I've never seen so many nukes do so little damage..what a waste..

[09gomarlins]

marine marauder medivac is so op,, medics would be fine, but when 1 marauder can take on 2 or 3 zealots because of stim concussive shells and medivac healing,, that is op

[stvl89]

@09gomarlins it's lovely when you don't know how to coutner something and you scream op. i don't see a lot of terrans screaming op on banelings. 1 marauder can take on an infinte amount of zealot with kiting + shell. but have you tried upgrading to rushlots? lol

[09gomarlins]

@stvl89 I've been playing a lot since the patch and don't have a problem with it anymore, then again in placement matches i did terrible so bronze isn't much a problem,, Question if u want to answer, i'm like 600 7 bronze, is it normal for the #1 kid to be 1200, and can i be promoted to silver without going 1200+? really want to move up,, but didn't think i'd have to hit 1200 for silver

[timorbit]

@09gomarlins It's a good thing they don't let bronze-league players like yourself balance the game if that's what you think.

[09gomarlins]

@timorbit screw u kid, I win 90% of my matches and i'm sure i know way more than you about SC, could take u anyday,, sorry i placed the first day i got the game,

[09gomarlins]

@timorbit scr*w u kid, I win 90% of my matches and i'm sure i know way more than you about SC, could take u anyday,, sorry i placed the first day i got the game,

[timorbit]

@09gomarlins Calm down there cowboy...

[gmanthebeast1]

top is garbage.he flew all the way to dream hack and was favored like 5 to 1 and got owned in the semis.

[SuperJStidham]

@gmanthebeast1 so what you're saying is, getting to the top 4 in an invite-only tourney is "garbage"? He didnt win it, but mousMana was a beast there...

[gmanthebeast1]

@SuperJStidham when youre favored by like 100-1...yep.garbage

[TheATUWonderBoy]

what were they saying at the end?

[Majorohminus]

but those marauders turn toss to gooo :)

[sirpalm2632]

Idra suck

[novicemilk]

Should EMP before nuking the Nexus, does way more damage. Takes 3 nukes and still not destroyed, so BS. Use EMP!

[Acedia2400]

@novicemilk emp only does 100 dmg to shields, this would be the biggest waste of energy ever, 3 nukes and the ghosts if you lose them are much more affective and disposable then having to run a marauder ball towards a nexus that has cannons/warp in to defend

[stvl89]

@novicemilk emp is only 100 damage to shield lol..

[bender5836]

some immortals would have been nice

they could have wrecked the marauders or even v rays would have been great but unfortunately he did not.

He could have cleaned up the terran

[helenmont312]

The Terran is quite noobish too. She didn't push out when she had the chance. Yes, she should wear a skirt.

[ShottyMessages]

fuckin yellow just kept typin shit in at the end, anyone know what he was cryin about?

[Kleavers]

EMP has to be nerfed. It's too ridiculous. Kill both shields AND templar energy? That's OP.

[Olafuuur]

@Kleavers Storms are better...

[WinninGuy]

@Kleavers I twas nerfed from sc1 tho. It used to drain all shield AND all energy. Now only 100 sheild and all energy. I'd like it if archons were not affected by concussive shells like ultras

[timorbit]

@Kleavers You're obvious in bronze-league if you think EMP is OP so I don't even know why you're whinning. Learn the game before making comments about things being OP.

[litobro]

Ya, I've got T3 units. Don't worry about this guys!

...mass marauders apparently beats T3 now.

[bbowers1512]

11:25 - "Props to the Toss player for sticking it in..."

[anmo0926]

protoss is so freaking beefy in lategame. I barely win against protoss, and most of the time I use marine rush when i win.

[BiologyLabOne]

wow he said the game was gona be over like 3 times, but it wasn't over

[elhombre698]

wheres part 3?

[reptilianism420]

would transition into mass void rays been viable when the terran masses the marauders?

[Seref2009]

lol hd, toss, obviously, the most developed races, that has to be feared

[Atuor]

Definitely not an epic game. Terran beating Protoss.... definitely not hard to guess who'd win.

[GRiMxSG]

emps are so annoying...

[HawtStyle3000]

Marauders are such an effective and efficient unit at killing buildings. I'm jelous that terran players have such a unit.

[gr4ndhustle]

the game ends at around 10 mins.. after that it turns into a korean chat website.. very GG tho.. enjoyed it.

[monox2k]

I'm willing to bet that none of you people crying about how OP terran is are even mid to high diamond players, and therefore, your opinions mean dick. TvP just hasn't really been figured out yet. Rauder stim is strong and so is EMP; but have you tried to deal with a good late game toss that has storm/feedback and colossi? Toss pros like Tyler and Incontrol actually go on record saying that once a toss gets storm, theres no way they should lose to terran. This toss played like shit. End of story.

[GRiMxSG]

@monox2k I thought the toss should have had this game too, but I kind of disagree with what Tyler and Incontrol said. I mean this guy had storm but couldn't use it enough because of the EMPs. I don't think PvT is OP though.

[BboydnL]

@monox2k nuff' said :)

[brunnslock]

@monox2k thx. im so tired of the terran is OP bullshit.

[mopy001]

@monox2k thank god for your comment!!!!!!!! thumb him up guys!!! support him!!!

[Oreoclan]

@monox2k They SHOULDN'T, but a good Terran player could lay down EMPs before Storms get dropped. Also, getting far enough to the late game to easily support that takes a while. A long while in which Terran can pound you with nonstop aggression. Bottom line, it comes down to your ability to macro and defend yourself efficiently. Protoss can stomp Terran with the right unit combination and better macro, just like how Terran can do the same to Protoss.

[monox2k]

@Oreoclan Absolutely; but it shouldn't come to that. Toss need to learn to lead with their observer so the temps don't get picked off. Temp-ghost is a great chess match.

As for early game PvT, the toss has to FF well. FF is another great ability that Tyler and Incontrol have even called slightly overpowered. (Source: State of the game)

I'm just so sick of these failbots crying about how OP terran is. Marauders are not the reason you're all in silver league. Grow a pair, and learn to play!

[gmanthebeast1]

@monox2k great post

[gublaman]

@monox2k Very true. Toss is unbeatable if you have very good micro and use your stalker blink, forcefields, Psy storm and feedback properly

[napalmcannon]

@monox2k Yeah, Protoss T3 HAS to be strong to make up for shitty ass T1.

And EMP is OP, it instantly makes templar and immortal useless. Does Protoss have an equivalent spell?

[kubiczech25]

@napalmcannon Protoss have storm. Terrans would swap that for EMP anyday.

[napalmcannon]

@kubiczech25 EMP does damage instantly, needs no research, doesn't require a long tech path, and also has ridiculous range.

I think EMP vs Protoss is a lot better than Storms vs Protoss.

[monox2k]

@napalmcannon Yes? An upgrade that obliterates an entire bio army in 3 casts. You think that because there exists an ability that forces you to play cautious, there's imbalance? Lead with your observer. Get thermal lance. Get charge for your zealots. Gain an economic advantage by throwing dts at the terran to force scans. Play to your race's strengths, and if you still get hit by an emp, then the terran deserved it.

Besides, terrans argue that FF is imba, and even toss pros agree in SOTG.

[Nalra95]

@monox2k THANK YOU for pointing out people's idiocy towards TvP. 

[monox2k]

@Nalra95

lol no worries. I can't stand it when some guy with 40 apm, that click builds his units and goes 1:1 in silver league acts like his balance opinions are worth a damn, and feels the need to voice them.

Next people are going to start saying air units are op because ground to ground units can't attack them. Jesus christ.

[Timely]

@monox2k what he said. (protoss player here)

[cwbera]

@monox2k its coloxen

end of story

niggerfaggot

[Haekeldrachen]

@monox2k you are hitting the nail on the head, thumps up from me

[IIIiiiDAWiiiIII]

@monox2k

why you lose time with us Rtards,go to your ubersc2 forum and write your shits there

[IIIiiiDAWiiiIII]

BTW nice transition from MMM to MM ... usefull since 1.4.2010

[stygn]

@monox2k Just look at MLG.. Terran won it all.. No wait, Protoss and Zerg did.. Terran is "OP" in lower levels because it's easier to play it decent, but if you play Zerg or Protoss at top level, you can take out Terrans. At that point it comes down to builds, macro and micro. Like... Spreading creep as Zerg! How many bronze players do that? It is easy to see the might of the Terrans, but if you look at high level games, you see that the might is evenly distributed : )

[hydro3211]

@monox2k but people that bitch and whine are the sucky ones.

[Schyfis]

@monox2k The real problem is that EMP is not only available without research, but that it's available so early in the Terran tech tree. A ghost academy can be built right after a barracks, and early marine/marauder/ghost pushes can end the game quite quickly without expert force field usage. Without shields, any fast immortals just get obliterated by marauders. Why should a T1.5 unit be able to use an ability that requires no research to counter HT, a tier 3 unit? That's why ghosts are OP atm.

[monox2k]

@Schyfis Completely valid argument.

I would counter by saying that a 150/150 investment early in the game is super risky, because if the toss catches you in time, you're going to get crushed.

I could see blizzard changing emp to a researchable skill akin to storm; but you have to keep in mind that the ghost is much more expensive than the templar, and shields regen.

Also, simply not engaging can *many times* render the emp ineffective. This logic obviously doesn't apply to all situations.

[Wickedsicked8]

@monox2k implying feedback has splash damage like emp implying stim isnt rlly cheap and standard play for terran implying concussive shell sarent the cheapest upgrade in the game implying collossi arent useless when caught out of position im a zerg player and i see terrans opness everyone knows terran is too versatile and too easy to win as to be a respectable race chrono and larvae both have cool down ESPECIALLY LARVAE lol but mules woops i 4got mules spam e to regain eco advantage

[danielsyoutub]

@monox2k im a top 8 diamond,this P played like shit,terran is way OP,get over it

[xPythox]

@monox2k You're full of shit, everyone knows Terran is OP.

[DMiBY]

At the end in the middle I think ZZ said "Dammit" "I hate EMP's"

[FullM3tal7ack3t]

the protoss player was bad ... 

[lpparanoia]

korean, korean, korean, GSL, korean.

=P

[Spriestify]

@lpparanoia LOL thats all i understood out of that aswell :)

[Someguymagic]

Good Balance ftw

[johnnyc08]

Does anyone know what they're talking about at the end?

[Endless0067]

The Protoss wasn't all efficient with his attacks.

[masterscheme1]

All of you that say Marauders are overpowered and this bullshit about Terran being OP despite all of the stats that says otherwise with tourney and ladder play. You guys suck, u just suck, stop playing toss, even though its the most played race its not a noob race. like terran but even though terran is noobish at high levels its hard to win vs very good protoss and zerg. Just watch how idra gets to end game in like 5 minutes then steam roll ppl then rage win lol. Stop playing toss u guys suck.

[Lenfal]

Epic game. Although the terran went MMM for the whole game and won. At least he used nukes, oh well.

[kubiczech25]

@Lenfal He used vikings and ghosts. What else would you want him to get? MMM viking ghost is completely stanard against protoss. Mech is weak.

[peachfuzz04]

Wow that just shows u how OP Terran is

[TheJWKK]

judging by their conversation, this is 2nd game

[Rabble2]

marauder + viking = meh

marauder + viking + GHOST = AWESOME

[WhiteGravey]

translate for us HD your asian TT

[klforever2003]

@WhiteGravey he is asian but not korean zzzzz

[intox69]

no translations? :(

[SKStylez]

what was the protoss saying at the end ^_^ at first i thought it was smack talk since terran didnt respond

[therealibo]

i swear to god, every pro tvp i've seen recently cast by hd/husky the terran wins

[ksdarkwolfv1]

aww I wanted the terran to make 10 nukes with ten ghosts and launch them all on the protoss main at the end :D

[LifesAGlitchTV]

@yousc23

Yes, i know just send us your replays.

~lifesaglitchtv SC2 caster

[Bulgong]

lol at 10:02 the bear just standing when there is a big battle between him

[Billhyahoo]

@Bulgong said "lol at 10:02 the bear just standing when there is a big battle between him"

But he got fried by the colossus almost at the end of the battle (Collateral dmg) =(

[yue12321]

Hey here's a tip: never read comments until you finish watching the video. Damn people with their spoilers without their spoiler alerts.

[TheSoldier1851]

All the probes are going to party and sing Kumbaya?? lol wth

[Ge0Rob]

They're not called Nuclear Missles, they're called NUCLEAR FRICKEN BOMBS! 

[chicodamaster]

Ghosts...the counter to protoss

[Holtgear]

when someone asks for a thumbs up, i just thumbs down his ass

[Thiora]

@Holtgear you put your thumbs down a guy's ass?

[aznf0rl1fe]

why didnt he cancel that nexus... and put it where his army was

[lid0man]

Everytime a terran wins, someone always has to say they are op.. either terran loses or they are op. Really?

[kashski1]

@lid0man terran are not op just against protoss with a ton of marauders and medivacs.... terran relys on cheese to beat a zerg.... easy race to play and ppl over think on what to do against terran.... honestly id rather fight a maka rax terran than a protoss as zerg..... trust me terran is no op

[Yapyapownz]

3:05-3:55 That Ghost is the very definition of badass

[covertshot]

CC being able to lift and expand in a late game battle like this is OP...

[LordoftheJamesClan]

wow mass marauder, so much skill...

[stefanarak]

@LordoftheJamesClan did you miss the ghosts, medivacs and vikings? Whats the point of building marines which get owned by collosus? Plus, the skill is not in building the units, it's in macro, micro, and decision making.

[treesapa]

@LordoftheJamesClan the ghost action required alot of skill....

[TheInfamousBluePlain]

@LordoftheJamesClan oh....sorry an army with half marine and half marauder would have been obliterated

[t0rk3y]

@LordoftheJamesClan air = complete counter ? Looks like the protoss has no skill.

[mopy001]

@t0rk3y thx! u are the only one who knows this game!!! btw @LordoftheJamesClan stop whining....

[mopy001]

@LordoftheJamesClan whining?!

[Oreoclan]

@LordoftheJamesClan You're an idiot. The guy was going Colossus and High Templar. The best choice is Marauders because Marines will die in seconds. Not only that, he also went for mass Ghosts. And he screwed around with nukes. oGsTop could kick your ass with pure marines or the wackiest unit combination.

[Kings2hell]

@LordoftheJamesClan I didn't see any immortals/air to deal with them. The terran player was just a lot better.

[nejtilsvampe]

@Kings2hell once you're comitted into 2 different tech trees, you really can't just transition into a 3rd tech tree especially when you are behind. The time it takes makes you so weak, not to mention the amount of ressources it requires. In addition, the terran had starports so he could more easily transition into vikings.

In short: air was not an option imho.

I would've liked to see dt though. They have the abillity to give a little bit of mapcontrol so he could expand.. I'm not sure though.

[AirRicky18]

"they're just going to party over here and sing kum-bai-ah" lol, witty.

[BlkMgkNitez]

ZZ gets the perfect victory guitar solo at 7:16

[hellproof100]

He could have countered with air

[XeviatorXevious]

one word: immortals

[nwallace07]

This game was horrible until the last 10 minutes or so. It's like the person playing ZZayohoPros changed half way through the game. I mean, 100 APM? He played like garbage until he went for the expansion in the middle, and then all the sudden he started playing well enough to hold off TOP's huge push. WTF?

[AirRicky18]

@nwallace07 I have a feeling that ogstop held back during that attack for some reason...I dunno, just an inkling.

[Rbt208]

Archon collateral! ^^

[RMJ1984]

Terran is to op. So much mobility, can snipe buildings in 8sec, and fly around with units, healing, lmao its sad.

[XeviatorXevious]

@RMJ1984 ur sad, they are not op. any other race can do that

[millehuse]

@RMJ1984 whining about one race being op is sad

[LifesAGlitchTV]

There's just something about a nuke being used that makes me happy on the inside.

Adam ~ LAGTV Caster

[izuul1]

dude toss died the second the terren was like 50 food ahead

[capsule56]

That was very good.

[Malacite]

Nuclear Warfare! <3

Ah the 3 sweetest words in the English Language - Nuclear Launch Detected.

[Vega62a]

Pretty good game overall. Toss kinda let terran run a few circles around him, and wasn't quick enough with his storms/templar splits. In TvP a few psi storms or emps can basically turn the game, so you have to be REALLY on your toes.

[EXA32]

nasty the terran just went marauders tank BS

[TheYogi2007]

herostalker^^ gogo

[test010]

stfu with somehow someway man... 7:16

[canotolto]

@test010 Please die.

[RealPartyBoi]

@test010 thumbs up

[outofrealmen]

That factory is in the protoss base the whole game... if he kill it he dont need to fear being nuke for quite a while.

[recoverydelta93]

@outofrealmen how would that effect him being nuked?

[GodUd6589]

You should learn Korean

[StoryboardStarcraft]

4:20 Pros: Ahh, this is annoying. :P

[StoryboardStarcraft]

arcon triple kill :D

[1905vargas]

Thumbs up if you want HD to translate Korean chat in the games he casts !

[enjoi971]

@1905vargas does he speak korean?

[bin1127]

that was soo close! emp is better than nuke.

[golgoization]

9:55 rite there is an epic battle but its just awkward coz rite in the middle is that bear thing that is part of the map and aint taking any damage if i was that bear i would of gtfo :)

[vlnplyr5]

11:24 - "Props here for the Protoss player sticking it in..."

[StevenZingal007]

Why the terran player didn't built a Tank he need just 4 tank to quit this game. And why the protoss did,'t bulilt a single void. I need at last 5 to kill all marauder.



[ecophreak1]

Think the protoss just went for a coffee there when his army chilled out not doing anything... lol

[nmc400]

so much qq from toss players zzzzzzzzzzz

[Barryms0083]

triple nuke, worth to watch.

yellow - "hey man I'm getting tired, i'm gonna let my little brother play"

red - "dude"

yellow - "what?"

red - "I wanted to play a real game"

yellow - "if you don't like it you could