Great video ewatchman, simple and straight forward explanations of the 'overview' of God's intentions are powerful, and sorely missing on youtube. Thank you.
You said that your “not really inclined to give a detailed scriptural presentation because it’s not necessary” and yet you say for people to request a “peace” of literature that explains the bibles basic teachings. But you profess that it “is a basic teaching” are you a Jehovah's Witness preacher/teacher? if yes, then why would you not be “inclined to share something so “basic” as you say that would be easy for you to share, but yet inform people to get a brochure or pamphlet? I give you this:
@infojluna1 and I give you this: 1 Petter 3:15- “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” OR IS THIS SCRIPTURE NOT IN YOUR BIBLE?
@anwertree I don't have a religion but I believe in God. I see god in 98% of science and in life around me every day. I think the big bang theory is way of show us the beginning of genesis. And fractals are a perfect way to show intelligent design. "no evidence of a global flood." When the ice capes melted didn't the world flood wit water? What do u think?
Can you make a video on Charles T Russel? and all the old Watchtower publications with Free Mason symbols in it. The watchtower is guided by a spirit but its not from God. The Watchtower publication is put above the bible. truth of the matter is those books are not God word. There books from man with books of the bible to mislead people...the 144,000 is not JW...they are from 12,000 of the tribe of isreal..unless JW's have the blood line of isreal i seriously doubt they are in that 144,000
Hmmm...interesting. However, there seems to be a destruction and recreation of the physical earth. Revelation 20 and 21 - 21:1 "And I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth for the first Heaven and first Earth were passed away and there was no more sea." Not to mention that Christ said to Pilate that His "Kingdom is not of this world."
Very good video, I enjoy every one of your videos. I just find it icredible to see so many angry people here that are mad at the watchtower. One thing I find in common of angry people towards the congregation or watchtower is their lack of being humble. These people include some of my family members.
Matthew 7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven? Can you that explain this to me? Is this text only for the 144.000?
@yrtemmyscirtemmysa they do, and in a "paradise" earth as well. they just also believe that jesus spoke the truth when he said he would go to his father( heaven) and prepare a place for his followers, and they would be with him. same thng all christians still believe, except JWs and few others. In the future, the earth will be populated, as foretold.
The whole Paradise thing is just a ploy to attract poor, ignorant people out there who are down to their wits end and have no life. The witness calls on their door, starts a bible study, they start coming to meetings, the give talks, they go out in field service, they finally get baptized. Years go on and they keep doing the same thing. Then, suddenly they screw up and meet a "worldly person". They get disfellwshipped. Then they are cut off. Where are their JW friends now? This is the "truth".
The whole paradise thing that the Society teaches just seems so fictional. It was always hard to believe and think of when I was an active witness. It was also hard to believe that ONLY active Jehovah's Witnesses and the resurrected will be in paradise. Plus, I always wondered what will happen when a person's mate dies, then they get re-married and they see their resurrected husband or wife again. And seeing pictures of lions eating straw? Come on! They're meat eaters by instict!
@WakeUpWitness If i'm not mistaken, I believe in the book of Isaiah God mentions that the lion will also eat straw like the sheep or cow. I'll have to go find the scripture.
@WakeUpWitness Here it is, Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Are you kidding me? You said: "There is no other alternative to the Watchtower Society at the present time." True I believe every religion out there has it's issues and is perhaps wrong in some areas, but so does the Watchtower Society. I just don't see how someone who is disfellowshipped/disassociated or whatever...can still go along with the Watchtower Society teachings like you do. I think as long as a person lives a good life, believes in God and free gift of grace, that's enough.
Accept the garden of eden. It's here it's now. God made me in HIS image... Meaning every aspect of me is a reflection of everything he is. His grace, his power, his love, his bliss, his anger, and even his wrath.
I haven't meet the people at watch tower yet but I can't wait to learn from these people.
You don't even know what it is your waiting for. (Just so you know I enjoy my existence but it's the problems of you and this world that upsets me.)
No, we don't know it happened. In fact, it seems highly implausible these mystical stories are factual. The more you learn about the universe, the more we come to understand the way nature works, the harder it is to take these ancient stories seriously. All we have are collections of stories from many unknown authors with no originals -- just copies of copies of translations of copies. This is horribly inefficient and impractical; anything qualifying as a God would clearly understand that.
@S0ldier0fJah I'm sure at least some has historical basis. Of that, I have no problems conceding to a modest degree of probability. Regardless of the enumeration of factual elements, however, it doesn't suddenly make its supernatural propositions more plausible. All we have are a bunch of ancient documents. Anything that qualifies as a loving God would not be relying on text to save lives. It makes no sense. Why value what people "believe" over what they do? It doesn't make sense.
@anzwertree Not super natural, but maybe extraterrestrial. Have you ever read the bhagavad gita ? 5,000 year old sankrit text talks about flying machines and sorts of modern warfare weaponry
@S0ldier0fJah I think that's pretty unlikely too. It's reasonable to assume if life evolved on earth, there could be life on other planets as well. Especially considering the age of the universe. However, I do not believe there is sufficient evidence justifying any alien visits in the past. It's not a supernatural proposition. Definitely not impossible. But it is very unlikely. There are far more reasonable answers for similarities throughout history than space aliens.
@S0ldier0fJah Actually, if you say "Inter-dimensional beings" then I'd probably be even more skeptical, depending on exactly what you mean by it. Even before I'm an atheist, I'm a skeptic. Otherwise, I'm inconsistent. If I'm skeptical of religious claims, then I should also be skeptical of other outrageous claims. Some people believe they were abducted by aliens. I don't see any reasonable evidence for that. Nor do I see any evidence for inter-dimensional beings. Maybe I'm wrong. But I'm not
@anzwertree Beings that live in hyperspace, fourth dimension. No one really knows for sure until they are revealed. In my humble opinion, to say that life came about by random chance is the most outrageous claim of them all and not because I believe in God, but I don't see any reasonable evidence for that as well. Creation wins by default
@S0ldier0fJah "...to say that life came about by random chance is the most outrageous claim of them all." And who said it did? Chance may have played a role in the original formation of life, but no one is suggesting it was only chance except for ignorant creationists that don't understand science. Do you understand that one chemical mixed with another forms a new chemical, right? It's not a random "chance" occurrence, otherwise we couldn't reproduce chemical reactions in the laboratory
@S0ldier0fJah "Creation wins by default." I'm surprised you can even admit this without seeing the obvious errors in it. Creation has been given a get out of jail free card. Let's see how consistent you are. You're saying creation is the default position. You've just shifted the burden of proof. Anyone presenting a claim has the burden of proof. It is not the default position to believe claim XyZ until proven false. The default position is disbelief until a claim has been substantiated.
@anzwertree My default is based on the position that has Always been there since the beginning of civilization. That of a Creator. For me it's the only logical explanation for our existence. The alternative "evolution" is impossible. No I'm not 100% positive of anything I believe until I see with my own eyes or senses.... but common sense leans towards a creator or a higher intelligence.
@S0ldier0fJah Life arose gradually over time through natural accumulative processes. Positing a creator just creates additional problems. You're implying lifeforms like obligate parasites were intentionally designed to kill millions of people. I understand these things weren't intentionally created, they evolved. But in your so called "logical" position, God is going around creating deadly viruses and disease? That makes no sense. If life didn't evolve, God created a world of death and suffering
@anzwertree "God is going around creating deadly viruses and disease? " Viruses were never meant to kill people , the problem is Humans have developed weak immune systems. But natural Viruses and everything in nature serves a purpose, everything is connected in a cycle to sustain life on this planet.
@S0ldier0fJah "...the problem is Humans have developed weak immune systems." No, I'm afraid you are missing the actual problem. This God is supposedly omniscient. That means he knows everything. It doesn't matter if God created viruses directly or indirectly. The point is that this God created the information for these deadly viruses. All you've done is assert God isn't responsible because we're weaker now. That doesn't explain anything. What is your justification for believing this is true?
@anzwertree Going by Scripture it's a simple answer. God created Humans in perfection and to live eternally. Viruses have no effect on a Perfect Human with a superior immune system. Since we are now imperfect and in a inferior state of health, death from some viruses is possible if the immune system is not familiar on how to combat that Virus. A perfect example is when the Spanish arrived to the Americas and wiped out entire native civilizations with Viruses that Euros were already Immuned to
@S0ldier0fJah "Viruses have no effect on a Perfect Human" Okay, so how exactly does that explain all that animal suffering? Nature is a very cruel, inhospitable ecosystem. This immunity of the "superior human species" argument sounds incredibly narcissistic. Regardless of how perfect we were, this planet is still overrun with death and suffering. This didn't just start a few thousand years ago. Nature has always been dangerous and unforgiving. Just look at the fossile record. Death is everywhere
@S0ldier0fJah "Going by Scripture it's a simple answer." Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I asked why you believed something. You're presented the Bible as your justification. That's fair. My next question would be, why do you think the Bible is true? If I was talking to a Muslim right now, they would essentially say this exact thing. Only they'd be peddling their own scripture instead of yours. Do you see how this presents a problem? Why should I believe your book over the Quran?
@anzwertree " Nature has always been dangerous and unforgiving." That's true, I think that's why the first human couple were placed in a "Garden of Eden" a safe zone. I think one of Adam's task was to subject all the wild beast of the fields and turn the entire planet into this peaceful Garden. "Why should I believe your book over the Quran?" The Quran is just a imitation of the Bible, Many stories are similar but the "prophet" Mohammad added and removed a few details for some strange reason.
@S0ldier0fJah I want you to read over what you just wrote. You have established what you believe. I get it. Now can you please explain why you believe it? What makes you think there ever was a Garden of Eden? What makes you think the Bible wasn't copied from other more ancient religions? Why do you trust the Bible as a reliable source?
@anzwertree The term "Religion" is a modern day concept, ancient people did not put labels on something that was commonly known as truth. Garden of Eden and creation story are in the ancient myths and legends of almost every culture in the world including in South America.That means at some point in time all this was common knowledge and accepted by everyone as the truth.The bible gives more of a simple and basic explanation of what happened that's why I trust it as a more reliable source.
@S0ldier0fJah More ad hoc special pleading. Apparent similarities in cultural myths does not imply anything supernatural. That's absurd. There are for more reasonable explanations than being inspired by an omniscient agency from a parallel dimension who occasionally authors books. You're creating a special exemption for your own faith. If these stories are all just retellings of some deeper truth, why make the assumption that your own religion is the correct version?
@anzwertree "why make the assumption that your own religion is the truth" I don't have a "religion", I never made any such assumption. I follow what is written in the scriptures as a guideline and a code of conduct. The message of Christ is Universal and can apply to all mankind. Religions are an organized group of people that want to have power and authority over a certain faith and use it to enslave people to their will. This leads to persecution and religious wars. I respect all faiths
@S0ldier0fJah There is no evidence that any worldwide flood ever took place. The problems with Noah's Ark are numerous and irreconcilable. Not only is it logistically and mathematically impossible, any global flood would leave sediment. No such layer signifying any global catastrophic flood has ever been found. Did God use magic to make it appear there was never a flood? That would suggest that God is intentionally deceptive. If God really is deceptive, how can we trust anything he says?
@anzwertree "no evidence that any worldwide flood ever took place" Grand Canyon, Fossils <--formation and drowned positions, Marine Fossils in mountains, Fossil Forests of Nova Scotia, Erratic Boulders, And I have found prints of dead fishes and sea shells on sandy sedimentary rocks in the middle of a Caribbean Island, these rocks were still soft and looked like beach sand when you crush them so I have done my own personal research on this and know for sure there was a huge flood not long ago
@S0ldier0fJah Fossils? The Grand Canyon? You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. The Grand Canyon was laid down over millions of years. It has absolutely nothing to do with any recent global flood -- only a few thousand years ago. And Fossils suggest nothing of a worldwide flood either, unless you're under the delusion that all fossils were somehow magically separated via a collection of ordered sedimentary layers dating back before through the Jurassic.
@S0ldier0fJah Let's say God somehow magically rearranged sediment to make it appear no flood ever took place. There are still numerous problems. How did Noah get all the animals? How did he distribute all the specific marsupials to Australia and the Galapagos Islands? Noah must have been like Santa, only for animals. Maybe God teleported animals to the Ark? What about food? Maybe God used magic to keep them from eating? Did Noah have herpes and gonorrhea? Because they somehow survived the flood
@anzwertree It took Noah about 500 years or so to build the Ark, I think that's plenty of time to gather all the main species of animals. It only takes a thousand years to breed a chihuahua into a pitbull... this is a week argument.
@S0ldier0fJah You think Noah literally traveled the planet into continents he didn't even know existed collecting animals and transporting them back to a central location all while building the Ark at the same time? Okay. That's your right. But I don't think your beliefs here are justified. By the way, you do not breed a chihuahua into a pitbull. That's not how selective breading works. If you want a detailed flood overview paste the code: /watch?v=_sD_7rxYoZY
@anzwertree My Mainstream friend anzwertree, If you believe people before Columbus didn't know about other continents, You need a serious reality check.There were no spear chuckers in the pre-flood world.They were advanced civilizations and global empires. The evidence is everywhere. The bible does not give detailed descriptions of how things were done, but it's accurate in the basic story . If you prefer to follow some public highschool eurocentric history propaganda, That's your choice.
@S0ldier0fJah You do realize atheists make up less than 2% of the population, right? Saying I'm "mainstream" only makes you look ignorant. And what makes you think Columbus knew all the continents. Are you retarded? You're just talking out your ass. They were advance civilizations? Global empires? Where are you getting this? Where did you study history, from a box of cereal? Care to provide any evidence at all?
@S0ldier0fJah Nat who? Big bang theory? Why do you enjoy typing random meaningless things devoid of context? It's like you're just throwing out buzzwords you've seen somewhere, hoping to accidentally make a valid point. Evolution! Big bang theory! Abraham Lincoln. Load bearing sheetrock! Look, dude. You sure know how to avoid questions by jumping to random irreverent subjects. All I want to know is why you believe what you believe. You have refused to give me any justification at all.
@anzwertree Look Duude... I can give you a mountain of evidence for my beliefs, But you're too brainwashed in your eurocentric mainstream propaganda of the day to believe anything the public education system doesn't tell you. , So keep believing in your Masonic prophet Darwin and his evolution fairy tale. This debate is pointless
@anzwertree If these stories are all just retellings of some deeper truth, why make the assumption that your own religion is the correct version?...If you compare the story of Noahs Ark to the Babylonian epic of Gilgamish for example: In the Babylonian version the survivors become great kings after the flood and they built Great Empires and became legendary heroes. In the Bible Noah got drunk and there was family dispute cus his son saw him naked or something..which one sounds more realistic?
@S0ldier0fJah "In the Bible Noah got drunk and there was family dispute cus his son saw him naked or something..which one sounds more realistic?"
In my opinion, we have no reason to believe any of these people even existed. But even if they did, that doesn't help support the Bible's supernatural claims. Muhammad, for example, was a real person too. However, I'm sure you'll agree that the existence of Muhammad doesn't suddenly make the Quran more credible. I feel the same way about the Bible.
@S0ldier0fJah "...everything is connected in a cycle to sustain life on this planet." But it's just the opposite. Our planet's history is overrun with the death of countless failed species. Even today, our planet is not very life friendly. If I just randomly dropped you from an airplane, on most places on this planet you'd be killed within seconds. You're asking a God to take responsibility for this? 99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. I don't see much of a plan there
@S0ldier0fJah And furthermore, the default position is not supposed to be based on subjective experience. You're making special exemption for your particular ideology. But you know good a well this isn't the same logic you normally use. If I tell you I'm from the future, but when asked for evidence I just exclaim, prove I'm not from the future! This is childish playground stuff. The burden of proof lies with the one proposing a claim. You say a creator makes the most sense. Why do you say that?
@anzwertree Why do you keep commenting on JW videos even though you "claim" to be free from them? Then you go on with your assumptions that we have unknown authors, and that their is no originals. Have you realized their is no original copies of any historical document from antiquity? Do you realize that it's relatively easy to restore what the original say if the document has a vast amounts of manuscripts, such as the Bible? Honestly try to educate yourself on textual criticism.
@anzwertree Even a skeptical Bible scholar such as Bart Ehram wouldn't even make the arguments that these are from unknown authors. Since it will known who the authors are.
@800mEric "Even a skeptical Bible scholar such as Bart Ehram wouldn't even make the arguments that these are from unknown authors." Um... yes he does. Bart Ehram is one of my favorite authors. So I know exactly what he says. God's Problem was the first book I read after leaving the org. Have you read Jesus Interrupted yet? We think we know some authors, but many were written anonymously using pen names. This is a widely known fact. I'll be responding to your other comments independently.
@anzwertree Why do you keep commenting on JW videos even though you "claim" to be free from them? Then you go on with your assumptions that we have unknown authors, and that their is no originals. Have you realized their is no original copies of any historical document from antiquity? Do you realize that it's relatively easy to restore what the original say if the document has a vast amounts of manuscripts, such as the Bible? Honestly try to educate yourself on textual criticism.
@anzwertree Actually he doesn't he just makes the arguments that the NT is so corrupt we have no way of knowing what it origianl says. However, of course to person who doesn't know, or study textual criticism objectively will get caught up in that lie. Also your going again with your assumptions that it's fact when there's no evidence for that.
@anzwertree Regarding are progressive understanding of nature, and are universe. This is what the late Robert Jastrow, who was an agnostic astronomer, physicist and cosmologist. This what he said regarding what we have discovered regarding are universe. (Cont)
@anzwertree "Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world....the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same. Consider the enormousness of the problem : Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: 'What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe?' And science cannot answer these questions." (Cont)
@800mEric ""Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world....the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same."
Right, like how plants were created before the sun? Where was the light if there was no sun, by the way? I'm not impressed with any of this. Invoking God to explain the unknown accomplishes nothing. It's an infinite regress that ends up telling us nothing about anything.
@anzwertree Are you dumb? God as an explanation that supported by evidence isn't a infinite regress. He's the end of it since he has always existed, and transcends the laws that he put into motion.
@800mEric The argument from complexity fails because it supposes that if something is complex then it must have been designed. Who created the creator? Who created the creator's creator? That's an infinite regress. God is much more complex than a universe, therefore God must have been designed. This God hypothesis isn't a solution to the problem. It only aggravates it. If you say God always existed, why not save a step and say the universe always existed? Invoking God is unnecessary.
@anzwertree Here we with another conjectural statement. That is completely asinine. I was waiting for you to commit that fallacy. You realize that God is uncreated. Meaning he is eternal, and timeless. Even Atheist Daniel Dennet recognizes that if Eternal properties exist they don't need a beginning.
@800mEric "I was waiting for you to commit that fallacy. You realize that God is uncreated. Meaning he is eternal, and timeless."
Okay, I don't know what you believe. I'm only going on what you tell me. You say God is times; he had no creator. So you've just refuted the argument from complexity. If anything complex can exist without having been created then the argument is inherently flawed. That's called special pleading. It's a logical fallacy, but I'm sure you already knew that.
@anzwertree Now if you want to have the fantasy that the universe could be eternal is a self defeating argument. The universe can not be eternal, and be finite at the same time. Since the universe would of had to exist before existed. The whole argument defeats itself logically, and with the scientific data we have it shows that's also not the case. Thanks for the laughs though free thinker I'm going to sleep LOL.
@800mEric All you've given me are appeals to authority and appeals to ignorance. Saying everything came from nothing by magic is far more absurd than everything just existing. Maybe no creator was needed? God is an unnecessary assumption. Assuming there was ever point in time when only nothing existed sounds ridiculous. Can only nothing exist? You're clearly not thinking rationally. The very question is self contradictory. It would be like saying non-existence exists. That really is asinine
@anzwertree I have made no appeals, or committed any fallacies. Also you misunderstand my refutations, and again jump to conclusions. Since God is the transcended cause of the universe. He would be timeless, immaterial, omnipotent. Since time, and matter came into existence at the beginning. Also he would be omnipotent since he created from nothing. He is the first uncaused cause. Even an the atheist Daniel Dennet agrees that if eternal properties exist they don't need a beginning.
@anzwertree Now your going to ignore it, and jump to conclusions again. Then say God is complex so therefore he needs a creator. What you haven't realized is God is not made up of many parts. God has always been understood as immaterial, and therefore not made up of ANY physical parts. So that argument you will try to make would be irrelevant to the argument. Now that's what philosophers call a 'category error'. (Cont)
@800mEric You haven't explained anything. You've just made several assertions with no justification. God is not made of any parts, He's immaterial. How do you know any of this is true? You've told me what you believe. But for some reason you can't seem to tell me why. And what do you mean you've explained why the universe cannot be eternal? I've seen no such explanation. You just keek appealing to subjects of ignorance. Sorry. Your ignorance of cosmology is not a cogent argument
@anzwertree Now I already explained why the universe couldn't be eternal. Also that's not special pleading since this is what the atheist has always said about the universe being eternal. Until it was proven wrong until the scientific evidence in the 20th century showed that was wrong. Try next time to "objectively" look at both sides. Anyways I'm done with you so go ahead, and write your assumptions that you hold as valid truth.
@800mEric "Try next time to "objectively" look at both sides." Let's examine what objectively means. It means we're not influenced by personal feelings or biases. Your entire argument here is an emotionally charged presupposition. You make no attempt to rationalize your position logically. I just see random unsupported assertions about some type of immaterial creator -- how do we know such a thing exists? These claims require justification. Anyone thinking objectively would understand this
@anzwertree By the way what that Robert Jastrow was referring to with that quote that you can't comprehend. Is that astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world by both have a finite beginning. Since before it was held that universe was eternal that many Atheist held in their faith. However, science confirmed what the Bible has been saying for decades that the universe had a finite beginning.
@anzwertree "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Well I'll leave you to your conjecture, and assumptions. Now have your ear tickled by what you like to hear.
@800mEric Faith is just an excuse people use when they don't have a good reason to believe something. Do you get a sense of self satisfaction from this delusional state of superiority? Why would any God prefer ignorance and obedience over reason and logic? What kind of God is that? Sounds like a God fabricated by flawed permeative human minds. The Bible doesn't even represent our best understanding of the world, little alone something actually inspired by an omniscient God.
@anzwertree Here we go again with the conjecture. Faith is not an excuse. Faith is based upon evidence. As Hebrews 11:1 shows the definition "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld". Just as we have faith the sun will raise up because of the evidence. However, your going to have a problem with that evidence since it's not constant with your inconsistent worldview. Well humor me me with your responses.
@800mEric Faith is not a virtue. In fact, faith is inherently dishonest. People will ignore direct indisputable evidence -- even fight against it -- in order to perserve a cherished irrational belief. That is far from an admirable characteristic. It's a state of complete and utter devotion for no good reason. If this God exists, why does he prefer obedient ignorance? It makes no sense.
Rob, do you believe as the Watchtower preaches that Jehovah God will execute judgement on the billions of people on the planet if they don't join the Watchtower Corporation?
@S0ldier0fJah The Watchtower is merely a corporation, an organization that God has used to accomplish a specific phase of his purpose. However, once the judgement commences the Watchtower will collapse, resulting in many being stumbled, as Jesus foretold. And apparently billions are going to be laid low by the last king. But those who have real faith will survive. Ultimately, though, Jehovah is going to destroy everyone who does not obey Christ.
@ewatchmandotcom So in your opinion, what should a christian in these present times do to be saved? Go along with the Watchtower Corporation or simply have faith in Christ?
@S0ldier0fJah Jesus stated that he who does not gather with me scatters. So even though the Watchtower will inevitably crash during the judgment, it is, nonetheless, serving as a "dragnet" to gather in the fish that the angels will ultimately sort during the conclusion. There is no other alternative to the Watchtower Society at the present time.
@ewatchmandotcom So what about the Billions of impoverished Chinese, Hindus and Africans that have never heard of Jehovah, Even those that were raised in their thousand year old faiths that may have had an encounter with an arrogant Jehovah's Witness and got a bad impression from their holier then thou attitude... Will Those people be executed by Jehovah simply because they not pledge allegiance to some American Corporation?
@ewatchmandotcom this is the attitude of someone who has been mentally conditioned by fear,guilt,self loathing, and subsequently hate. You have an obsession with the authoritarian absolute truth of the father figure organization. It is like Stockholme Syndrome."I'm not good enough.Pain is love,love is discipline and advancement towards perfection through self correction fueled by fear and guilt" (and then self hate cause lets face it, no one is good enough) RUBBISH!! JWs make God so small!
Pseudo-Christianity and other pseudo-Abrahamic faiths have given the world the most destructive personality disorders humanity has known. Elitism, self loathing,pre-determinism, irrational self destructive submission to the oligarchy that is running the planet into the ground, making The Creator into an authoritarian ogre who hates humans which subsequently means that people who hold such views hate God.
I believe the lesson of Adam and Eve in the Garden represents when man left being in subjection to God's universal laws of nature-Tribal indigenous societies/lifestyles in favor of Control.Systems of control have given us Elitism,dualism,racism,'science',imperialism,government,pseudo-Christianity and other false religions that serve the egos of men and feed the machine. I think the New world will be when we revert "Primitive" lifestyles/worldviews and give up obsession with systems of control.
Great video ewatchman, simple and straight forward explanations of the 'overview' of God's intentions are powerful, and sorely missing on youtube. Thank you.
singlecellorganism13 1 month ago
You said that your “not really inclined to give a detailed scriptural presentation because it’s not necessary” and yet you say for people to request a “peace” of literature that explains the bibles basic teachings. But you profess that it “is a basic teaching” are you a Jehovah's Witness preacher/teacher? if yes, then why would you not be “inclined to share something so “basic” as you say that would be easy for you to share, but yet inform people to get a brochure or pamphlet? I give you this:
infojluna1 2 months ago
@infojluna1 and I give you this: 1 Petter 3:15- “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” OR IS THIS SCRIPTURE NOT IN YOUR BIBLE?
infojluna1 2 months ago
To the people the that believe in evolution. If we came from monkeys why are there still monkeys? And don't we see them evolving today?
thad7078 2 months ago
@anwertree I don't have a religion but I believe in God. I see god in 98% of science and in life around me every day. I think the big bang theory is way of show us the beginning of genesis. And fractals are a perfect way to show intelligent design. "no evidence of a global flood." When the ice capes melted didn't the world flood wit water? What do u think?
thad7078 2 months ago
well put King Sama
aizen5852 2 months ago
The WBTS is setting up JWs to be shock troops for the New World Order.
Proof?....JWs have a king over them called the angel of the bottomless pit.(ANTICHRIST) 1998 watchtower May 1 pg. 9 paragraph 9.
sikovit 2 months ago
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@Catch22here " Evolution clearly is a fact." sure it is
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
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looseendsful 2 months ago
Can you make a video on Charles T Russel? and all the old Watchtower publications with Free Mason symbols in it. The watchtower is guided by a spirit but its not from God. The Watchtower publication is put above the bible. truth of the matter is those books are not God word. There books from man with books of the bible to mislead people...the 144,000 is not JW...they are from 12,000 of the tribe of isreal..unless JW's have the blood line of isreal i seriously doubt they are in that 144,000
Beamacaleone 2 months ago
Hmmm...interesting. However, there seems to be a destruction and recreation of the physical earth. Revelation 20 and 21 - 21:1 "And I saw a new Heaven and a new Earth for the first Heaven and first Earth were passed away and there was no more sea." Not to mention that Christ said to Pilate that His "Kingdom is not of this world."
PastorMcPherson 2 months ago
Very good video, I enjoy every one of your videos. I just find it icredible to see so many angry people here that are mad at the watchtower. One thing I find in common of angry people towards the congregation or watchtower is their lack of being humble. These people include some of my family members.
joemaster62 2 months ago
Matthew 7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven? Can you that explain this to me? Is this text only for the 144.000?
jordygroothuis 2 months ago
Why doesn't Christendom believe in new heavens and earth? Isai65:17 Rev21:1
yrtemmyscirtemmysa 2 months ago
@yrtemmyscirtemmysa they do, and in a "paradise" earth as well. they just also believe that jesus spoke the truth when he said he would go to his father( heaven) and prepare a place for his followers, and they would be with him. same thng all christians still believe, except JWs and few others. In the future, the earth will be populated, as foretold.
SixStringDeity 1 month ago
1.00 is where the preaching starts. Assume there is a god, and continue from there.
simcult 2 months ago
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The whole Paradise thing is just a ploy to attract poor, ignorant people out there who are down to their wits end and have no life. The witness calls on their door, starts a bible study, they start coming to meetings, the give talks, they go out in field service, they finally get baptized. Years go on and they keep doing the same thing. Then, suddenly they screw up and meet a "worldly person". They get disfellwshipped. Then they are cut off. Where are their JW friends now? This is the "truth".
WakeUpWitness 2 months ago
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The whole paradise thing that the Society teaches just seems so fictional. It was always hard to believe and think of when I was an active witness. It was also hard to believe that ONLY active Jehovah's Witnesses and the resurrected will be in paradise. Plus, I always wondered what will happen when a person's mate dies, then they get re-married and they see their resurrected husband or wife again. And seeing pictures of lions eating straw? Come on! They're meat eaters by instict!
WakeUpWitness 2 months ago
@WakeUpWitness If i'm not mistaken, I believe in the book of Isaiah God mentions that the lion will also eat straw like the sheep or cow. I'll have to go find the scripture.
SkinnyAndShort 2 months ago
@WakeUpWitness Here it is, Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
SkinnyAndShort 2 months ago
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Are you kidding me? You said: "There is no other alternative to the Watchtower Society at the present time." True I believe every religion out there has it's issues and is perhaps wrong in some areas, but so does the Watchtower Society. I just don't see how someone who is disfellowshipped/disassociated or whatever...can still go along with the Watchtower Society teachings like you do. I think as long as a person lives a good life, believes in God and free gift of grace, that's enough.
WakeUpWitness 2 months ago
Accept the garden of eden. It's here it's now. God made me in HIS image... Meaning every aspect of me is a reflection of everything he is. His grace, his power, his love, his bliss, his anger, and even his wrath.
I haven't meet the people at watch tower yet but I can't wait to learn from these people.
You don't even know what it is your waiting for. (Just so you know I enjoy my existence but it's the problems of you and this world that upsets me.)
Seveen1 2 months ago
/ I'm not dead and I'm an angel.
Seveen1 2 months ago
No, we don't know it happened. In fact, it seems highly implausible these mystical stories are factual. The more you learn about the universe, the more we come to understand the way nature works, the harder it is to take these ancient stories seriously. All we have are collections of stories from many unknown authors with no originals -- just copies of copies of translations of copies. This is horribly inefficient and impractical; anything qualifying as a God would clearly understand that.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree I'm starting to realize this myself, but all the stories must have came from a common truth.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah I'm sure at least some has historical basis. Of that, I have no problems conceding to a modest degree of probability. Regardless of the enumeration of factual elements, however, it doesn't suddenly make its supernatural propositions more plausible. All we have are a bunch of ancient documents. Anything that qualifies as a loving God would not be relying on text to save lives. It makes no sense. Why value what people "believe" over what they do? It doesn't make sense.
anzwertree 2 months ago
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800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree Not super natural, but maybe extraterrestrial. Have you ever read the bhagavad gita ? 5,000 year old sankrit text talks about flying machines and sorts of modern warfare weaponry
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah I think that's pretty unlikely too. It's reasonable to assume if life evolved on earth, there could be life on other planets as well. Especially considering the age of the universe. However, I do not believe there is sufficient evidence justifying any alien visits in the past. It's not a supernatural proposition. Definitely not impossible. But it is very unlikely. There are far more reasonable answers for similarities throughout history than space aliens.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree You're thinking about Star Trek type of aliens and space travel. I'm talking about Interdimensional beings
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah I would be equally skeptical of those as well
anzwertree 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Actually, if you say "Inter-dimensional beings" then I'd probably be even more skeptical, depending on exactly what you mean by it. Even before I'm an atheist, I'm a skeptic. Otherwise, I'm inconsistent. If I'm skeptical of religious claims, then I should also be skeptical of other outrageous claims. Some people believe they were abducted by aliens. I don't see any reasonable evidence for that. Nor do I see any evidence for inter-dimensional beings. Maybe I'm wrong. But I'm not
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Beings that live in hyperspace, fourth dimension. No one really knows for sure until they are revealed. In my humble opinion, to say that life came about by random chance is the most outrageous claim of them all and not because I believe in God, but I don't see any reasonable evidence for that as well. Creation wins by default
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah "...to say that life came about by random chance is the most outrageous claim of them all." And who said it did? Chance may have played a role in the original formation of life, but no one is suggesting it was only chance except for ignorant creationists that don't understand science. Do you understand that one chemical mixed with another forms a new chemical, right? It's not a random "chance" occurrence, otherwise we couldn't reproduce chemical reactions in the laboratory
anzwertree 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah "Creation wins by default." I'm surprised you can even admit this without seeing the obvious errors in it. Creation has been given a get out of jail free card. Let's see how consistent you are. You're saying creation is the default position. You've just shifted the burden of proof. Anyone presenting a claim has the burden of proof. It is not the default position to believe claim XyZ until proven false. The default position is disbelief until a claim has been substantiated.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree My default is based on the position that has Always been there since the beginning of civilization. That of a Creator. For me it's the only logical explanation for our existence. The alternative "evolution" is impossible. No I'm not 100% positive of anything I believe until I see with my own eyes or senses.... but common sense leans towards a creator or a higher intelligence.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Life arose gradually over time through natural accumulative processes. Positing a creator just creates additional problems. You're implying lifeforms like obligate parasites were intentionally designed to kill millions of people. I understand these things weren't intentionally created, they evolved. But in your so called "logical" position, God is going around creating deadly viruses and disease? That makes no sense. If life didn't evolve, God created a world of death and suffering
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree "God is going around creating deadly viruses and disease? " Viruses were never meant to kill people , the problem is Humans have developed weak immune systems. But natural Viruses and everything in nature serves a purpose, everything is connected in a cycle to sustain life on this planet.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah "...the problem is Humans have developed weak immune systems." No, I'm afraid you are missing the actual problem. This God is supposedly omniscient. That means he knows everything. It doesn't matter if God created viruses directly or indirectly. The point is that this God created the information for these deadly viruses. All you've done is assert God isn't responsible because we're weaker now. That doesn't explain anything. What is your justification for believing this is true?
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Going by Scripture it's a simple answer. God created Humans in perfection and to live eternally. Viruses have no effect on a Perfect Human with a superior immune system. Since we are now imperfect and in a inferior state of health, death from some viruses is possible if the immune system is not familiar on how to combat that Virus. A perfect example is when the Spanish arrived to the Americas and wiped out entire native civilizations with Viruses that Euros were already Immuned to
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah "Viruses have no effect on a Perfect Human" Okay, so how exactly does that explain all that animal suffering? Nature is a very cruel, inhospitable ecosystem. This immunity of the "superior human species" argument sounds incredibly narcissistic. Regardless of how perfect we were, this planet is still overrun with death and suffering. This didn't just start a few thousand years ago. Nature has always been dangerous and unforgiving. Just look at the fossile record. Death is everywhere
anzwertree 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah "Going by Scripture it's a simple answer." Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I asked why you believed something. You're presented the Bible as your justification. That's fair. My next question would be, why do you think the Bible is true? If I was talking to a Muslim right now, they would essentially say this exact thing. Only they'd be peddling their own scripture instead of yours. Do you see how this presents a problem? Why should I believe your book over the Quran?
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree " Nature has always been dangerous and unforgiving." That's true, I think that's why the first human couple were placed in a "Garden of Eden" a safe zone. I think one of Adam's task was to subject all the wild beast of the fields and turn the entire planet into this peaceful Garden. "Why should I believe your book over the Quran?" The Quran is just a imitation of the Bible, Many stories are similar but the "prophet" Mohammad added and removed a few details for some strange reason.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah I want you to read over what you just wrote. You have established what you believe. I get it. Now can you please explain why you believe it? What makes you think there ever was a Garden of Eden? What makes you think the Bible wasn't copied from other more ancient religions? Why do you trust the Bible as a reliable source?
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree The term "Religion" is a modern day concept, ancient people did not put labels on something that was commonly known as truth. Garden of Eden and creation story are in the ancient myths and legends of almost every culture in the world including in South America.That means at some point in time all this was common knowledge and accepted by everyone as the truth.The bible gives more of a simple and basic explanation of what happened that's why I trust it as a more reliable source.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah More ad hoc special pleading. Apparent similarities in cultural myths does not imply anything supernatural. That's absurd. There are for more reasonable explanations than being inspired by an omniscient agency from a parallel dimension who occasionally authors books. You're creating a special exemption for your own faith. If these stories are all just retellings of some deeper truth, why make the assumption that your own religion is the correct version?
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree "why make the assumption that your own religion is the truth" I don't have a "religion", I never made any such assumption. I follow what is written in the scriptures as a guideline and a code of conduct. The message of Christ is Universal and can apply to all mankind. Religions are an organized group of people that want to have power and authority over a certain faith and use it to enslave people to their will. This leads to persecution and religious wars. I respect all faiths
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah There is no evidence that any worldwide flood ever took place. The problems with Noah's Ark are numerous and irreconcilable. Not only is it logistically and mathematically impossible, any global flood would leave sediment. No such layer signifying any global catastrophic flood has ever been found. Did God use magic to make it appear there was never a flood? That would suggest that God is intentionally deceptive. If God really is deceptive, how can we trust anything he says?
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree "no evidence that any worldwide flood ever took place" Grand Canyon, Fossils <--formation and drowned positions, Marine Fossils in mountains, Fossil Forests of Nova Scotia, Erratic Boulders, And I have found prints of dead fishes and sea shells on sandy sedimentary rocks in the middle of a Caribbean Island, these rocks were still soft and looked like beach sand when you crush them so I have done my own personal research on this and know for sure there was a huge flood not long ago
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Fossils? The Grand Canyon? You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. The Grand Canyon was laid down over millions of years. It has absolutely nothing to do with any recent global flood -- only a few thousand years ago. And Fossils suggest nothing of a worldwide flood either, unless you're under the delusion that all fossils were somehow magically separated via a collection of ordered sedimentary layers dating back before through the Jurassic.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Let's say God somehow magically rearranged sediment to make it appear no flood ever took place. There are still numerous problems. How did Noah get all the animals? How did he distribute all the specific marsupials to Australia and the Galapagos Islands? Noah must have been like Santa, only for animals. Maybe God teleported animals to the Ark? What about food? Maybe God used magic to keep them from eating? Did Noah have herpes and gonorrhea? Because they somehow survived the flood
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree It took Noah about 500 years or so to build the Ark, I think that's plenty of time to gather all the main species of animals. It only takes a thousand years to breed a chihuahua into a pitbull... this is a week argument.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah You think Noah literally traveled the planet into continents he didn't even know existed collecting animals and transporting them back to a central location all while building the Ark at the same time? Okay. That's your right. But I don't think your beliefs here are justified. By the way, you do not breed a chihuahua into a pitbull. That's not how selective breading works. If you want a detailed flood overview paste the code: /watch?v=_sD_7rxYoZY
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree My Mainstream friend anzwertree, If you believe people before Columbus didn't know about other continents, You need a serious reality check.There were no spear chuckers in the pre-flood world.They were advanced civilizations and global empires. The evidence is everywhere. The bible does not give detailed descriptions of how things were done, but it's accurate in the basic story . If you prefer to follow some public highschool eurocentric history propaganda, That's your choice.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah You do realize atheists make up less than 2% of the population, right? Saying I'm "mainstream" only makes you look ignorant. And what makes you think Columbus knew all the continents. Are you retarded? You're just talking out your ass. They were advance civilizations? Global empires? Where are you getting this? Where did you study history, from a box of cereal? Care to provide any evidence at all?
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Stay watching Nat Geo and Big bang Theory in your basement.
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Nat who? Big bang theory? Why do you enjoy typing random meaningless things devoid of context? It's like you're just throwing out buzzwords you've seen somewhere, hoping to accidentally make a valid point. Evolution! Big bang theory! Abraham Lincoln. Load bearing sheetrock! Look, dude. You sure know how to avoid questions by jumping to random irreverent subjects. All I want to know is why you believe what you believe. You have refused to give me any justification at all.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Look Duude... I can give you a mountain of evidence for my beliefs, But you're too brainwashed in your eurocentric mainstream propaganda of the day to believe anything the public education system doesn't tell you. , So keep believing in your Masonic prophet Darwin and his evolution fairy tale. This debate is pointless
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Sigh... okay, dude. Best of wishes to you. No hard feelings
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree If these stories are all just retellings of some deeper truth, why make the assumption that your own religion is the correct version?...If you compare the story of Noahs Ark to the Babylonian epic of Gilgamish for example: In the Babylonian version the survivors become great kings after the flood and they built Great Empires and became legendary heroes. In the Bible Noah got drunk and there was family dispute cus his son saw him naked or something..which one sounds more realistic?
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah "In the Bible Noah got drunk and there was family dispute cus his son saw him naked or something..which one sounds more realistic?"
In my opinion, we have no reason to believe any of these people even existed. But even if they did, that doesn't help support the Bible's supernatural claims. Muhammad, for example, was a real person too. However, I'm sure you'll agree that the existence of Muhammad doesn't suddenly make the Quran more credible. I feel the same way about the Bible.
anzwertree 2 months ago
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@S0ldier0fJah "...everything is connected in a cycle to sustain life on this planet." But it's just the opposite. Our planet's history is overrun with the death of countless failed species. Even today, our planet is not very life friendly. If I just randomly dropped you from an airplane, on most places on this planet you'd be killed within seconds. You're asking a God to take responsibility for this? 99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. I don't see much of a plan there
anzwertree 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah And furthermore, the default position is not supposed to be based on subjective experience. You're making special exemption for your particular ideology. But you know good a well this isn't the same logic you normally use. If I tell you I'm from the future, but when asked for evidence I just exclaim, prove I'm not from the future! This is childish playground stuff. The burden of proof lies with the one proposing a claim. You say a creator makes the most sense. Why do you say that?
anzwertree 2 months ago
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@anzwertree Why do you keep commenting on JW videos even though you "claim" to be free from them? Then you go on with your assumptions that we have unknown authors, and that their is no originals. Have you realized their is no original copies of any historical document from antiquity? Do you realize that it's relatively easy to restore what the original say if the document has a vast amounts of manuscripts, such as the Bible? Honestly try to educate yourself on textual criticism.
800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree Even a skeptical Bible scholar such as Bart Ehram wouldn't even make the arguments that these are from unknown authors. Since it will known who the authors are.
800mEric 2 months ago
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@800mEric "Even a skeptical Bible scholar such as Bart Ehram wouldn't even make the arguments that these are from unknown authors." Um... yes he does. Bart Ehram is one of my favorite authors. So I know exactly what he says. God's Problem was the first book I read after leaving the org. Have you read Jesus Interrupted yet? We think we know some authors, but many were written anonymously using pen names. This is a widely known fact. I'll be responding to your other comments independently.
anzwertree 2 months ago
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@anzwertree Why do you keep commenting on JW videos even though you "claim" to be free from them? Then you go on with your assumptions that we have unknown authors, and that their is no originals. Have you realized their is no original copies of any historical document from antiquity? Do you realize that it's relatively easy to restore what the original say if the document has a vast amounts of manuscripts, such as the Bible? Honestly try to educate yourself on textual criticism.
800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree Actually he doesn't he just makes the arguments that the NT is so corrupt we have no way of knowing what it origianl says. However, of course to person who doesn't know, or study textual criticism objectively will get caught up in that lie. Also your going again with your assumptions that it's fact when there's no evidence for that.
800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree Regarding are progressive understanding of nature, and are universe. This is what the late Robert Jastrow, who was an agnostic astronomer, physicist and cosmologist. This what he said regarding what we have discovered regarding are universe. (Cont)
800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree "Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world....the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same. Consider the enormousness of the problem : Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: 'What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe?' And science cannot answer these questions." (Cont)
800mEric 2 months ago
@800mEric ""Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world....the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same."
Right, like how plants were created before the sun? Where was the light if there was no sun, by the way? I'm not impressed with any of this. Invoking God to explain the unknown accomplishes nothing. It's an infinite regress that ends up telling us nothing about anything.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Are you dumb? God as an explanation that supported by evidence isn't a infinite regress. He's the end of it since he has always existed, and transcends the laws that he put into motion.
800mEric 2 months ago
@800mEric The argument from complexity fails because it supposes that if something is complex then it must have been designed. Who created the creator? Who created the creator's creator? That's an infinite regress. God is much more complex than a universe, therefore God must have been designed. This God hypothesis isn't a solution to the problem. It only aggravates it. If you say God always existed, why not save a step and say the universe always existed? Invoking God is unnecessary.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Here we with another conjectural statement. That is completely asinine. I was waiting for you to commit that fallacy. You realize that God is uncreated. Meaning he is eternal, and timeless. Even Atheist Daniel Dennet recognizes that if Eternal properties exist they don't need a beginning.
800mEric 2 months ago
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@800mEric "I was waiting for you to commit that fallacy. You realize that God is uncreated. Meaning he is eternal, and timeless."
Okay, I don't know what you believe. I'm only going on what you tell me. You say God is times; he had no creator. So you've just refuted the argument from complexity. If anything complex can exist without having been created then the argument is inherently flawed. That's called special pleading. It's a logical fallacy, but I'm sure you already knew that.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Now if you want to have the fantasy that the universe could be eternal is a self defeating argument. The universe can not be eternal, and be finite at the same time. Since the universe would of had to exist before existed. The whole argument defeats itself logically, and with the scientific data we have it shows that's also not the case. Thanks for the laughs though free thinker I'm going to sleep LOL.
800mEric 2 months ago
@800mEric All you've given me are appeals to authority and appeals to ignorance. Saying everything came from nothing by magic is far more absurd than everything just existing. Maybe no creator was needed? God is an unnecessary assumption. Assuming there was ever point in time when only nothing existed sounds ridiculous. Can only nothing exist? You're clearly not thinking rationally. The very question is self contradictory. It would be like saying non-existence exists. That really is asinine
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree I have made no appeals, or committed any fallacies. Also you misunderstand my refutations, and again jump to conclusions. Since God is the transcended cause of the universe. He would be timeless, immaterial, omnipotent. Since time, and matter came into existence at the beginning. Also he would be omnipotent since he created from nothing. He is the first uncaused cause. Even an the atheist Daniel Dennet agrees that if eternal properties exist they don't need a beginning.
800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree Now your going to ignore it, and jump to conclusions again. Then say God is complex so therefore he needs a creator. What you haven't realized is God is not made up of many parts. God has always been understood as immaterial, and therefore not made up of ANY physical parts. So that argument you will try to make would be irrelevant to the argument. Now that's what philosophers call a 'category error'. (Cont)
800mEric 2 months ago
@800mEric You haven't explained anything. You've just made several assertions with no justification. God is not made of any parts, He's immaterial. How do you know any of this is true? You've told me what you believe. But for some reason you can't seem to tell me why. And what do you mean you've explained why the universe cannot be eternal? I've seen no such explanation. You just keek appealing to subjects of ignorance. Sorry. Your ignorance of cosmology is not a cogent argument
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Now I already explained why the universe couldn't be eternal. Also that's not special pleading since this is what the atheist has always said about the universe being eternal. Until it was proven wrong until the scientific evidence in the 20th century showed that was wrong. Try next time to "objectively" look at both sides. Anyways I'm done with you so go ahead, and write your assumptions that you hold as valid truth.
800mEric 2 months ago
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@800mEric "Try next time to "objectively" look at both sides." Let's examine what objectively means. It means we're not influenced by personal feelings or biases. Your entire argument here is an emotionally charged presupposition. You make no attempt to rationalize your position logically. I just see random unsupported assertions about some type of immaterial creator -- how do we know such a thing exists? These claims require justification. Anyone thinking objectively would understand this
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree By the way what that Robert Jastrow was referring to with that quote that you can't comprehend. Is that astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world by both have a finite beginning. Since before it was held that universe was eternal that many Atheist held in their faith. However, science confirmed what the Bible has been saying for decades that the universe had a finite beginning.
800mEric 2 months ago
@anzwertree "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Well I'll leave you to your conjecture, and assumptions. Now have your ear tickled by what you like to hear.
800mEric 2 months ago
@800mEric Faith is just an excuse people use when they don't have a good reason to believe something. Do you get a sense of self satisfaction from this delusional state of superiority? Why would any God prefer ignorance and obedience over reason and logic? What kind of God is that? Sounds like a God fabricated by flawed permeative human minds. The Bible doesn't even represent our best understanding of the world, little alone something actually inspired by an omniscient God.
anzwertree 2 months ago
@anzwertree Here we go again with the conjecture. Faith is not an excuse. Faith is based upon evidence. As Hebrews 11:1 shows the definition "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld". Just as we have faith the sun will raise up because of the evidence. However, your going to have a problem with that evidence since it's not constant with your inconsistent worldview. Well humor me me with your responses.
800mEric 2 months ago
@800mEric Faith is not a virtue. In fact, faith is inherently dishonest. People will ignore direct indisputable evidence -- even fight against it -- in order to perserve a cherished irrational belief. That is far from an admirable characteristic. It's a state of complete and utter devotion for no good reason. If this God exists, why does he prefer obedient ignorance? It makes no sense.
anzwertree 2 months ago
Rob, do you believe as the Watchtower preaches that Jehovah God will execute judgement on the billions of people on the planet if they don't join the Watchtower Corporation?
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah The Watchtower is merely a corporation, an organization that God has used to accomplish a specific phase of his purpose. However, once the judgement commences the Watchtower will collapse, resulting in many being stumbled, as Jesus foretold. And apparently billions are going to be laid low by the last king. But those who have real faith will survive. Ultimately, though, Jehovah is going to destroy everyone who does not obey Christ.
ewatchmandotcom 2 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom So in your opinion, what should a christian in these present times do to be saved? Go along with the Watchtower Corporation or simply have faith in Christ?
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@S0ldier0fJah Jesus stated that he who does not gather with me scatters. So even though the Watchtower will inevitably crash during the judgment, it is, nonetheless, serving as a "dragnet" to gather in the fish that the angels will ultimately sort during the conclusion. There is no other alternative to the Watchtower Society at the present time.
ewatchmandotcom 2 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom So what about the Billions of impoverished Chinese, Hindus and Africans that have never heard of Jehovah, Even those that were raised in their thousand year old faiths that may have had an encounter with an arrogant Jehovah's Witness and got a bad impression from their holier then thou attitude... Will Those people be executed by Jehovah simply because they not pledge allegiance to some American Corporation?
S0ldier0fJah 2 months ago
@ewatchmandotcom this is the attitude of someone who has been mentally conditioned by fear,guilt,self loathing, and subsequently hate. You have an obsession with the authoritarian absolute truth of the father figure organization. It is like Stockholme Syndrome."I'm not good enough.Pain is love,love is discipline and advancement towards perfection through self correction fueled by fear and guilt" (and then self hate cause lets face it, no one is good enough) RUBBISH!! JWs make God so small!
demerc 2 months ago
Pseudo-Christianity and other pseudo-Abrahamic faiths have given the world the most destructive personality disorders humanity has known. Elitism, self loathing,pre-determinism, irrational self destructive submission to the oligarchy that is running the planet into the ground, making The Creator into an authoritarian ogre who hates humans which subsequently means that people who hold such views hate God.
demerc 2 months ago
I believe the lesson of Adam and Eve in the Garden represents when man left being in subjection to God's universal laws of nature-Tribal indigenous societies/lifestyles in favor of Control.Systems of control have given us Elitism,dualism,racism,'science',imperialism,government,pseudo-Christianity and other false religions that serve the egos of men and feed the machine. I think the New world will be when we revert "Primitive" lifestyles/worldviews and give up obsession with systems of control.
demerc 2 months ago