@TheWeckman5 Maybe cops should act honorably. Tell the truth. Maybe cops shouldn't treat people like dirt bags. Maybe the cops should SHOW RESPECT and they will get some in return. Having a badge does NOT automatically qualify people as being honorable (or honest), like in the movies.
why is it always white officers who behave like murderers? this is indicative of behaviors of white leaders in the western world when they launch bloody wars on innocent nations around the world. white people are ruthless. they are just barbaric.
@TheWeckman5 no!police are trained to defuse situations, their just as bad if they beat people like that!rules are there for a reason if i did that i would be arrested.
@TheWeckman5 Wow this is ignorance at it's best folks!!!!!! I hope that you are not in Law enforcement Weck. The fact is that no one should have to recieve mulitple punches to the face while on the ground in custody of police. if those two officers couldn't restrain that man then they should have called for assistance.
@imageartifact Also Having been a long time resident of Fresno where this happened I can tell you that in general our police are very good and professional, and deserve to be treated with a degree of respect for their efforts. With that said however just because they wear a badge does not give them the right to demand that respect and use excessive force to get compliance.
@imageartifact And, with what the Chief said, he is corrupt as hell. It goes all the way to the top. I seriously doubt you, or the citizens of your city realize how quick your "very good and professional" police officers are to lie, beat, cheat, and break the law. Nothing personal to you, but the whole "secrecy" of the police investigating the police in incidents like this, nearly always ends up in a statement from Internal affairs that goes something like this, "No wrongdoing on the part of cop
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I think they were forcing his arms up while or after the cuffs were on him,maybe trying to get him to say something or just to torment him.That's why he's still struggling to get up?
Corrupt cops are useless pariah on our communities. They're ubiquitous because primates are generally unable to mange their own behavior when given too much power and authority over other primates. Corruption and violence is built-in to system.
Fireman are the closet thing we have to "peace officers" in this country.
The problem - worldwide - is that it's the sociopathic types who are drawn to policing.
Their fascist psychological makeup predisposes them to arbitrary and excessive violence.
And when you combine what they are with what they do - namely, being nothing less than the enforcers for the status quo...the rent-a-cops for the elite establishment - then it's inevitable that their brutality will be inflicted upon the people at large. When was the last time a banker was cop-bashed?
An instinctive primate behavior is to become abusive when given too much power and authority over other primates. In fact, its the exceptional person who can resist this instinct for 20 years until retirement.
Firemen are the closest thing we have to "peace officers" in our society.
Stun Gun, Pepper Spray, Mace, Taser. All thing cop's carry at least one of and all much more humain than beating a man restrained laying on the ground unarmed and totally unable to defend themselves. The point i think most people are trying to make its that excessive force was not needed here on a drunk elderly homeless man when faced with 2 heavily armed and "well" trained cops.
oh Shut up all you cop haters..... don't you see the man was resisting the arrest? SO, what are the cops supposed to do. Request him to not run away and get arrested? What would you do if you were in their shoes and the alleged resists arrest? I am sick of all you cop haters. Everything and anything a cop does is for some reason always wrong to you people.
Many things can seems wrong .. but what if there is no other go?
You didn't answer my question in my comment above. What would you have done in the cops shoes, if the weirdo resisted arrest? Would you sit there for hours trying to convince why he should comply with the authorities?
You know what ... if they did that , then there will be people commenting on that video as how their tax money is being wasted in coaxing a criminal.
@theyads Ok i see your point but you have to admit that a lot of those hits were unnessesary and you could tell that the cop knew that it wasnt needed based on the fact he kept looking around and making sure nobody was watching. I see how this is an effective way to control the man but i think it is unnessesary and pretty brutal in fact. the men obviously had him subdued in my opinion and they could easily outmuscle the man being as he was in his 60s as it looked on camera.
the two fucking punk ass cops should be fired and charged with felony assault n put in prison, creeps think there above the laws they will bust anyone else for, fags
Yeah, punching a man that can't fight back isn't beating anyone up. You must've watched a completely different video, didn't watch this video, weren't listening to this video, or don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Or you're a troll. Either way, it's obvious you're fucking stupid.
american police are very very good in terms of brutality and violence.. they do not respect human rights..they gonna beat you to death for their pleasure... they like beating unarmed civilian and poor minors. They are superior of all human race...they are the super pain in your ass...They have to do these kinds of stuff (police brutality) to be able to tune their self...otherwise they will bored and sleepy...so try to understand they need to beat people to energized their self...
The police is always lied they always making stories like these like that etc... but the real thing is they are really brutal and violent officers, they do not respect human rights they don't know what human right is.....all they know is that they are above the law....they can do what they wanted to do with their victims...they believe that they are superior officer on planet earth regardless of who or what you are,,. they gonna beat you with their pleasure.........sorry but this is true.....
@PJCelis Yes, I'm sure their mothers are proud of them. The entire matter rests on one link in the chain of events. Obey the officer's instructions. Resist, run or fight may be instinctic when confronted, but when one obeys the officer, things go much less physical. If the officer says. "stop", the correct response is ... wait for it..,, stop.
@ConsiderationAfter You have a great slave mentality, congrats. It doesn't matter one bit what happened before this video starts, at this point the man is obviously not a threat in any way and the police men should be put on trial for the violent attack they commit here.
@ConsiderationAfter You have a great slave mentality, congrats. It doesn't matter what happened before this video, at this point the guy was no threat hence the police men should be put on trial for a violent attack and abuse of their government granted powers.
@PJCelis I am grateful for your contribution. You certainly made a good point. Someone needed to say it and thank you for taking the initiative to do so.
If you live in a large city you're bound to see plenty of homeless people everyday, and 99% of them are just as sane, kind, and caring as anyone with a roof over their head. They aren't second class citizens, and the way that man is being treated is deplorable
He was getting hit because he wasnt complying. end of story.and it is NOT excessive read your state statutes and you will see the order of escalation on effecting an arrest.
@mikelang45 That's complete bullshit. At no time is an officer "allowed" to strike a suspect until due force is shown. They have pepper spray and other means of pain compliance accoutrements that are designed to neutralize a threat. These cops were just being assholes. Based on the fact that the suspect is most likely intoxicated and most definitely much older this was a clear case of abuse. Had that been you, or one of your friends I bet you'd be singing a different tune.
Put the names of the Officers on here maybe someone would be nice enough t pay these officers a visit and give them both the same treatment :) I'm just saying
Rather then force the guy over and force the cuffs on him they hit him till he makes their job easy. I think that is illegal. Cops like that are huge pussies. No wonder no one respects cops anymore.
there is no knife or gun wielded here. they are ignorant sons of bitches. i personally beleive if a [oliceman abuses his authority he should be sentenced to life in prison
Whist all you do gooders are hurling insults at the police,Im just wondering if any of you lot have ever had a knife or gun aimed,pointed,or aimed at you?Exactly,so dont make comments about situations you clearly know fuck all about!
@BogusBoy2121 so the man on the ground has them scared does he? Yeah that's real brave, guess you'd be just as cowardly then beating on someone in handcuffs face down. ...
put your hands behind your back and you will have a great mugshot, resist and they'll damn near break your face... moral of the story is that if the cops try to arrest you let them. if you dont let them youll get a beat down too
SEATTLE WA, A police officer shot and killed a n8iv for wood carving and not dropping a knife when he is deaf. 2 dys later there are over 10,000 n8iv's walking downtown SEATTLE. the next day the officer and his family was found killed in there living room... the officers parents and siblings were found dead also..
AUG,2010
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I got major respect for cop killers....balance out the odds......you beat a civilian as a authority figure? Then do NOT be surprised when your wife recieves a folded flag.
Its kinda fucked up that we live in a world where we cant defend our self from cops when they do shit like this or its assaulting an officer man fuck da police. If they do stuff like this to my fam or me they gonna get a fight its just messed up to know I will go to jail for but still I dont give a fuck. CUZ REAL WILL BE REAL NO MATTER WHAT THE LAWS SAY.
Why is it not legal to make record of such an event, then go beat these fuckers silly? In all reality they've, at this point, given up any right to carry a gun, or wear that badge they hide behind. And for that matter, the right to breathe the same air I do. The people who stand by and watch this shit happen and don't at the very least say something are no better.
This is what happens to pll they didnt get much love from their mommys. THey become PIGS ( cops ) and beat up ppl that cant protect themselfs but here the kicker...they still have shields and are on the streets
OMFG!!! why would you do tht!!!???? tht is some low shit right there. that dumb cop is punching the man in the face and he is unconsious!!! THAT IS FUCKING SHIT!!!! i dont usually swear but these dumb ass people get on my nerves!!!!
karma is a bitch tho hutch11 my friend ended up driving home drunk thinking there is no way they would arrest him even if he got pulled over.... wrong!! lets just say all i hear from him now is how he will one day be a cop..
Gut das man hier alles genau erkennen kann..Wie lange diese beiden Ihr Opfer quälten konnten ist unvorstellbar..Der eine Polizist links schaut noch vorher ob ihn ja niemand sieht, bevor er wieder ins Gesicht schlägt..Wo bleibt hier das Gesetzt für den armen Mann ?????
Let me answer the one question that needs to be answered.
"Why are they socking him like that?"
He's not complying. He's not putting his hands behind his back, and this is, as extreme as it looks, called "pain compliance". It's either a couple of shots to the head, or a taser shot. Which would you prefer?
@WarInBed Dude, you are wrong, "pain compliance" is a shot to the lower back and nothing else, these two used punches to the guys face.It was out of line and illegal. They should be suspended without pay while awaiting trial fo assault.
@hutch1111111 This is the problem with people today. Everyone assumes that the officers are wrong for forceful treatment. "Guilty until proven innocent.".
Maybe if dirtbags actually complied with orders when under arrest, this wouldn't happen. Since dirtbags don't, this is what will happen.
Am I saying beat every person under arrest? No. What I am saying is lets support officers that are trying to keep the streets safe, rather than protecting those who wish to do others harm.
@WarInBed honestly if police where like machines the system would work perfectly but they are not the power gets to them they are gods in their minds they can't be touched... not all but quite a few.. my friend was a jailer and was in training to be an officer and his attitude changed.. he even told me he beat and taunted inmates he saw nothing wrong with it because they commited crimes so they were all bad people....
@static5946 All you've proved that yes, indeed, there are bad LEOs out there. As well as teachers, civil servants, yadda yadda yadda. The point is, and the only point I've made is IF you don't comply, don't expect Hello Kitty stickers for the trouble.
@static5946 You are absolutely right. They come to think they are right just because they're cops. They are the most arrogant people in our society with the exception of ploiticians.
@hutch1111111 I learned that a punch to the head is a common method of forcing compliance by watching police chase tv shows. It seems like every chase ends with a punch to the face.
Also, pain compliance techniques only work if the person is susceptible to pain. A person on drugs might not react to pain. This is just me being an asshole, but homeless men tend to drink alcohol to excess, which raises their pain threshold and increases belligerence.
This case, while clearly unfair, is a very minor example of police brutality. Thes cops should be prohibited from eating doughnuts for a period of six months.
@gregryf Why is it unfair? Conveniently, there's no video of what happened before the cops started punching the guy. You can see the guy resisting arrest. What would you prefer they do? Let him go?
@KayBeeEee1983 I call him a victim because it looks as though he was beaten unnecessarily. He may have broken the law too. (probably by being homeless) so he may have been both victim and lawbreaker.
@KayBeeEee1983 True, there is nothing to show why he was attacked. We don't even know that he did anything wrong. The man did seem to try not to put his hands behind his back but two men can easilly overpower one without beating him. Even after he was cuffed he tried to move and one cop put his knee on the victim's neck and the other held him down with his hands. With his hands cuffed, he couldn't have gotten up anyway. What harmcould he have done thrashing helplessly around on the ground?
@gregryf "Even after he was cuffed he tried to move and one cop put his knee on the victim's neck and the other held him down with his hands....What harmcould he have done thrashing helplessly around on the ground?"
You've never seen anyone spit on a cop? Do you see the latex gloves they're wearing? Fucking christ, you are retarded.
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, how far could he spit? If the cops simply moved a few feet away they would have been safe from his spit. If they were afraid of his saliva, they could have put something over his mouth once he was cuffed. In order to beat him the got just as close to his mouth as they would have by putting something over his mouth. If you are unable to figure this out, it seems to me as though YOU are the one who is sadly lacking in mental capacity.
@KayBeeEee1983 Yep, it took a long time to get him cuffed. This further illustrates their ineptitude. I could have done it by myself much more quickly without beating him. Most cops are trained in ways to cuff somone who is struggling.
How are the cops supposed to arrest him a few feet away? They couldn't have but they would have been safe from his spit. There are risks which are inherent in police work and can't be avoided. This doesn't mean they should beat people into submission.
@gregryf "How are the cops supposed to arrest him a few feet away? They couldn't have but they would have been safe from his spit. There are risks which are inherent in police work and can't be avoided. This doesn't mean they should beat people into submission."
None of that makes any sense. Are you saying they shouldn't try to arrest him if they are going to get spit on? Are you saying the cop should just let a dude spit on him? Getting shot is a risk..getting spat on is a risk..
@KayBeeEee1983 Actually, I gave you two reasonable alternatives to giving a beating if they were afraid of being spat upon. I know you read them and won't repeat them. If he broke the law he should be arrested but not beaten unless he poses an active threat. I'm talkin about some sort of attack. This man did not attack the cops in any way. Struggling is resisting but does not rise to the level of being grounds for a beating.That's about as consise as I can be
@gregryf Reasonable alternatives? You think staying away from the guy is a reasonable alternative? I thought that was a joke. You said they could throw something over his face, but what could they have thrown on him that would have STAYED on him? Also, the beating wasn't for being afraid of getting spat on. The beating was to get him to submit and accept handcuffing. The knee on the neck was to avoid getting spat on.
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, I guess you didn't read what I said. Reasonable alternatives - wear protection or put something over his face. Very clear. If he were cuffed anything placed over his face could and secured would have stayed there.
@KayBeeEee1983 That's a good idea, but what could they use? If I were that terrified of being spat upon, I would CARRY SOMETHING WITH ME to put over my prisoner's mouth. Or if they were that afraid they could have worn face shields. Of course I would have to get close enough to put it on him. That's one of the risks I mentioned before.
It sounds like you want the cops to arrest him without having any physical contact with him. I'm not cnvinced that he should have been arrested at all.
@gregryf "If I were that terrified of being spat upon, I would CARRY SOMETHING WITH ME to put over my prisoner's mouth. Or if they were that afraid they could have worn face shields."
Yeah, they should give every cop a face shield for that reason. They should also give every cop bullet proof vests. But they don't.
@KayBeeEee1983 I simply mentioned the possibility of moving a few feet away in order to be safe from his lethal spit. If they had to arrest him and had taken proper precautions It could have been done safely without beating him
@KayBeeEee1983 I'm not a cop or guard but I'm had some training in the martial arts.
I gave you two scenarios in which a beating was not the only option.
I know that many cops tend to flaunt their authority and if I don't see someone break the law I don't just automatically buy the idea that a cop acted properly
I have assumed nothing. You seem to have assumed that the cops acted properly and that they might have been spat on.
@gregryf ALL of those things I listed were assumptions. You assumed you could've cuffed the guy (even though you have no training). You assumed the cops had another option to force submission other than punching him. You assumed the homeless guy did nothing to get arrested. You assumed the cops had other methods of taking precautions against spitting. Here's one more:
@KayBeeEee1983 If these things are assumptions, they are based upon fact. One, I know several cops and I know they are trained on how to cuff a prisoner. Two, I know they are also trained in arresting people without beating them. I don't assume anything pertaining to the man's guilt. The video shows nothing concerning that and I just don't know. Three, I GAVE you two other ways to keep from being spat on. Four, I watched the video. It showed no attack by the homeless guy.
@gregryf "I don't assume anything pertaining to the man's guilt. The video shows nothing concerning that and I just don't know."
The guy's guilt is irrelevant to this argument. It should be assumed he did something worthy of arrest. Also, you must've forgotten that you wrote this: "This man did not attack the cops in any way."
"I watched the video. It showed no attack by the homeless guy."
So if it didn't happen on the video, it didn't really happen? I may have to retract my earlier apology.
@KayBeeEee1983 You don't pay much attention to what you read do you? I explained that I don't assume that the cops acted apropriately because sometimes they don't. I have seen it happen. His innocence or guilt is NOT irrelavent to the situation, it is critical. I DIDN'T forget what I wrote, all I have to go on is the video. If he attacked the cops, tell me when it was. It sure wasn't on the video. Retract or don't. Doesn't matter to me. Fact is I may have to resort to nastiness pretty soon too.
@gregryf You don't pay attention to what you WRITE.
"His innocence or guilt is NOT irrelavent to the situation, it is critical."
The issue between you and I is that you think numerous punches and putting a knee into their neck to keep them down is excessive force. I disagree. Resisting arrest is a sign of aggression. Whether or not you think you are innocent makes no difference if a cop tries to handcuff you. You have to comply. It's a matter of public safety. Just like traffic stops.
@KayBeeEee1983 Yes, if a cop tries to cuff you you are required to comply. struggling to avoid being cuffed is resisting but it is not aggressive and it is not an attack. It is an attempt to escape. You are right, I believe beating a man into submission is excessive unless he represents a threat. I also think that putting a knee on his neck AFTER he's been handcuffed is extremely excessive. They should be prohibited from having any contact at all with doughnuts for at least six months.
@gregryf Personally, I think the public should be scared of resisting arrest. It SEEMS to me (although I don't know this for a fact) that people don't even get punished for resisting arrest. So what's the incentive to comply with the cop? Makes no sense to me.
@gregryf Did you read the description? This is ONLY THE COPS' side of the story:
"individual was stiff, there was alcohol around him...it was very apparent that he had been drinking, uh, excessively...there was resistance in terms of the line of questioning and his answers to certain questions...at some point, an altercation occurred between the suspect and the officers. At one point, one of the officers was punched by the suspect in the arm...the officer had his badge ripped off of his shirt"
@KayBeeEee1983 I didn't see this and did not read it. Doesn't matter though. None of this is grounds for a beating. When the suspect was beaten on the tape, he was posing no threat. It doesn't matter what he did before that. If he attacked the cop or resisted, the cop could have maced him or tazed him. The beating (although it didn't amount to much of a beating) was unneccessary. I bet the suspect would have told a very different story. Who knows what really happened prior to the taping?
@gregryf You think mace would've made any difference? They probably could've easily subdued him by tazing him, you're right. But they'd risk KILLING him. How much electricity do you think it'd take to kill a 52 year old homeless alcoholic? My guess is NOT MUCH. These cops should be commended for using discretion. And if they'd tazed him, there'd be people complaining about how it was wrong to taze him because he was an old man and it could've killed him! It's a no-win situation with you people!
@KayBeeEee1983 Yes, I think mace would have stopped him. Once I maced myself in order to see what it was like. It will stop most people. The reason for using mace and tazers is because they impose much less risk than a beating. If you understood electricity you would know that voltage alone is not dangerous. It is current which is dangerous. Tazers have high voltage but almost no current. Dying or being injured from being tazed is much less likely than from a beating.
@gregryf All of this is bullshit. You're full of shit. Or you're psychotic.
"I think mace would have stopped him."
Then you're a moron.
"The reason for using mace and tazers is because they impose much less risk than a beating."
Yes, much less risk TO THE OFFICER. It gives cops the ability to incapacitate someone from a distance. And it wasn't a beating. And look up what tazers can do to old people.
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, you're wrong, doctor, I'm far from a moron. I've been tested and my IQ is quite high.
You are right, mace and tazers involve less risk to both parties, and it WAS a beating. They hit him. If someone else and I had done that to them, they would have called it a beating.
Look up what beatings can do to anyone.
Here's a definition of the word beaten. I found it online. beaten - beaten repeatedly with heavy blows
@gregryf "I'm far from a moron. I've been tested and my IQ is quite high."
Troll. You have no martial arts training, either. You're a liar, and not even a good one. I do believe that you maced yourself, but only to build up a tolerance to it so it doesn't affect you when you stalk women.
"beaten - beaten repeatedly with heavy blows"
Troll. That was kind of funny though.
"When you learn the difference between left and right we can discuss this further."
@KayBeeEee1983 It's obvious that you've finally realized you've lost this argument. That's why you're rseorting to name calling and attempts at belittlement. It's been my experience that when small minds are unable to prevail in sensible discussion that's what they do. You're simply unable to think coherently. Your comments are so foolish that even Youtube hides them.
@gregryf I realized you're a lying piece of shit. What's the point in "arguing" when you're just going to deny things that are blatantly obvious? They are clearly grappling with something.
@KayBeeEee1983 One officer is grappling with his LEFT arm in an attempt to subdue him. I know this from my training in the MARTIAL ARTS. He is trying but doesn't know how to do it correctly.
@gregryf "it looks like the man and one cop are grappling with something. The man is holding it with his right hand and the cop is holding it with his left hand. The cop pulls it from the man's grasp at about the 0:04 mark, after the other cop punches him 3 times in the face."
@gregryf I just noticed that at the start of the video, it looks like the man and one cop are grappling with something. The man is holding it with his right hand and the cop is holding it with his left hand. The cop pulls it from the man's grasp at about the 0:04 mark, after the other cop punches him 3 times in the face.
And stop saying he was beaten. He was punched. Rodney King was beaten (justifiably). How would you have described it if they had used their batons? Attempted murder?
@KayBeeEee1983 I watched it again and didn't see what you describe. His right hand seems to be lying flat on the ground. One cop is working with his left arm. His hand appears empty to me.
I say he was beaten because that's what happened. What do you do when you hit someone? You beat them.
If Rodney King's beating was justified, why did he win 3.5 million dollars in his lawsuit?
@gregryf "His right hand seems to be lying flat on the ground. One cop is working with his left arm. His hand appears empty to me."
If you pause it at 0:03, you can clearly see both guys' hands are balled into a fist and they are stuck to each other. At no point within the first 4 seconds is the dude's right hand on the ground. You're a liar and a troll.
"If Rodney King's beating was justified, why did he win 3.5 million dollars in his lawsuit?"
@KayBeeEee1983 I don't know what video you watched but the one I watched does not show that.
So are you saying that because the cops didn't try to cuff Rodney King, he won? And the beating he recieved had nothing to do with it? Hmmmmm, I guess your mind really Is twisted.
@gregryf "So are you saying that because the cops didn't try to cuff Rodney King, he won?"
I don't know why I'm even answering your bitch ass, but the answer is yes. It's apparent in the video that the cops were just trying to beat him until he stopped moving. From a legal perspective, that's wrong. But he was driving with a blood alcohol content twice the legal limit and took the cops on a high speed chase through a residential area. They should've smashed his nuts with a hammer.
@KayBeeEee1983 I don't know why you answer me either. It's a fool's errand. You'll never be able to keep up with me, that's why you are becoming so nasty. It's OK though, feel free to keep wasting your time.
btw, two of those cops did time for their justifiable beating of Rodney King.
Cowards
tenseventy49 8 hours ago
The point is, people, that we shouldn't act like animals and walk around unarmed. We are not chattel.
sheepOG 2 weeks ago
imagine if that drunk guy, bit you up, who you gonna call?
mandarakop 1 month ago
and they wonder why people shoot them....
jacjbright73 1 month ago
@TheWeckman5 Maybe cops should act honorably. Tell the truth. Maybe cops shouldn't treat people like dirt bags. Maybe the cops should SHOW RESPECT and they will get some in return. Having a badge does NOT automatically qualify people as being honorable (or honest), like in the movies.
godblamesme 1 month ago
you Communist Nazi loving cops.......
JesusWazHeer 1 month ago
why is it always white officers who behave like murderers? this is indicative of behaviors of white leaders in the western world when they launch bloody wars on innocent nations around the world. white people are ruthless. they are just barbaric.
pabnaful 1 month ago 2
PIGS WITH BADGES,THIS IS WHY THEY GET SLAUGHTERED
KYMAMI 1 month ago
@TheWeckman5 no!police are trained to defuse situations, their just as bad if they beat people like that!rules are there for a reason if i did that i would be arrested.
ATReade 1 month ago
American cops are scum
ATReade 1 month ago 3
I am glad that I live in Germany when seeing these videos...
Wolvster007 1 month ago
well they do it all the time cop need to go to prison
forrealdeal4u 1 month ago
@TheWeckman5 Wow this is ignorance at it's best folks!!!!!! I hope that you are not in Law enforcement Weck. The fact is that no one should have to recieve mulitple punches to the face while on the ground in custody of police. if those two officers couldn't restrain that man then they should have called for assistance.
imageartifact 2 months ago
@imageartifact Also Having been a long time resident of Fresno where this happened I can tell you that in general our police are very good and professional, and deserve to be treated with a degree of respect for their efforts. With that said however just because they wear a badge does not give them the right to demand that respect and use excessive force to get compliance.
imageartifact 2 months ago
@imageartifact And, with what the Chief said, he is corrupt as hell. It goes all the way to the top. I seriously doubt you, or the citizens of your city realize how quick your "very good and professional" police officers are to lie, beat, cheat, and break the law. Nothing personal to you, but the whole "secrecy" of the police investigating the police in incidents like this, nearly always ends up in a statement from Internal affairs that goes something like this, "No wrongdoing on the part of cop
godblamesme 1 month ago
another show of what type of police state we live in
hotsteal84 2 months ago
another show of what type of police state we live in
hotsteal84 2 months ago
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MKMALIKKING 2 months ago
Knee to the neck for more revenge type torture.If he cracked his wrist he'd not mention that on the police report.
Ipostle 2 months ago
Yeah.Looked again & that's what they're doing.The one on the left hurt his hand beating on the man's skull.
Ipostle 2 months ago
I think they were forcing his arms up while or after the cuffs were on him,maybe trying to get him to say something or just to torment him.That's why he's still struggling to get up?
Ipostle 2 months ago
if you beat a man with handcuffs on your a coward
Flavio12034 2 months ago 2
Corrupt cops are useless pariah on our communities. They're ubiquitous because primates are generally unable to mange their own behavior when given too much power and authority over other primates. Corruption and violence is built-in to system.
Fireman are the closet thing we have to "peace officers" in this country.
mikecunning11 2 months ago
fuck ya'll officers..:p
lollijerry 2 months ago
My God, how long does it take to put cuffs on ????
phantomemail 2 months ago
The problem - worldwide - is that it's the sociopathic types who are drawn to policing.
Their fascist psychological makeup predisposes them to arbitrary and excessive violence.
And when you combine what they are with what they do - namely, being nothing less than the enforcers for the status quo...the rent-a-cops for the elite establishment - then it's inevitable that their brutality will be inflicted upon the people at large. When was the last time a banker was cop-bashed?
noahelp1 2 months ago
@noahelp1
Your assessment is actually part of the problem.
An instinctive primate behavior is to become abusive when given too much power and authority over other primates. In fact, its the exceptional person who can resist this instinct for 20 years until retirement.
Firemen are the closest thing we have to "peace officers" in our society.
mikecunning11 2 months ago 2
@mikecunning11 very well put sir!
ichmagdichnicht100 2 months ago
thank god for video cameras. pigs
th1nktravis 3 months ago
Stun Gun, Pepper Spray, Mace, Taser. All thing cop's carry at least one of and all much more humain than beating a man restrained laying on the ground unarmed and totally unable to defend themselves. The point i think most people are trying to make its that excessive force was not needed here on a drunk elderly homeless man when faced with 2 heavily armed and "well" trained cops.
clux13 3 months ago 6
oh Shut up all you cop haters..... don't you see the man was resisting the arrest? SO, what are the cops supposed to do. Request him to not run away and get arrested? What would you do if you were in their shoes and the alleged resists arrest? I am sick of all you cop haters. Everything and anything a cop does is for some reason always wrong to you people.
theyads 4 months ago
@theyads you see nothing wrong with this???????
nothingisdeserved 4 months ago in playlist nothingisdeserved's Favorited Videos
@nothingisdeserved
Many things can seems wrong .. but what if there is no other go?
You didn't answer my question in my comment above. What would you have done in the cops shoes, if the weirdo resisted arrest? Would you sit there for hours trying to convince why he should comply with the authorities?
You know what ... if they did that , then there will be people commenting on that video as how their tax money is being wasted in coaxing a criminal.
theyads 4 months ago
@theyads Ok i see your point but you have to admit that a lot of those hits were unnessesary and you could tell that the cop knew that it wasnt needed based on the fact he kept looking around and making sure nobody was watching. I see how this is an effective way to control the man but i think it is unnessesary and pretty brutal in fact. the men obviously had him subdued in my opinion and they could easily outmuscle the man being as he was in his 60s as it looked on camera.
nothingisdeserved 4 months ago
@theyads You mean to tell me, there's nothing in between punching someone in the face multiple times and coaxing them?
vcdna1 4 months ago
wtf ,he is homeless man and this fuckers also beat him
paymanmktr 4 months ago
the two fucking punk ass cops should be fired and charged with felony assault n put in prison, creeps think there above the laws they will bust anyone else for, fags
jimmyzz100 5 months ago 2
have you noticed the cop who was looking around to see if anyone is watching them!! at 0:37
tutycat 5 months ago 14
@tutycat Yup! thats because he is a fucking criminal...making sure nobody is watching his crime..HAHA Pig1 Videos RULE!!!!
MrWtfchuck 2 months ago
look son this is not supposed to happen.lol
mastrmatt420 5 months ago in playlist THE BAD COPS (BRUTALITY)
if i was there i would of taken my self defense glock out and pointed at them and told them to get off of him
mistamaniac3000 5 months ago
we use taxpayer's money so that police will beat the taxpayer. perfectly normal...
flyskater 5 months ago
@flyskater not really a tax payer but he is homeless and it just got worse for him as if it couldnt already
mastrmatt420 5 months ago in playlist THE BAD COPS (BRUTALITY)
They didn't beat him up...I don't understand what people are freaking out about.
EverythingPolice 5 months ago
@EverythingPolice
Yeah, punching a man that can't fight back isn't beating anyone up. You must've watched a completely different video, didn't watch this video, weren't listening to this video, or don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Or you're a troll. Either way, it's obvious you're fucking stupid.
nosferotica1 5 months ago
kinda makes you wonder about some of the "crazy" homeless people you see. perhaps they are the result of this kindof treatment.
marty7044 6 months ago
i didnt see notin new,wats all the fuss about?? these officers are just doing there job....
taylormade916 6 months ago
american police are very very good in terms of brutality and violence.. they do not respect human rights..they gonna beat you to death for their pleasure... they like beating unarmed civilian and poor minors. They are superior of all human race...they are the super pain in your ass...They have to do these kinds of stuff (police brutality) to be able to tune their self...otherwise they will bored and sleepy...so try to understand they need to beat people to energized their self...
69691cody 6 months ago
The police is always lied they always making stories like these like that etc... but the real thing is they are really brutal and violent officers, they do not respect human rights they don't know what human right is.....all they know is that they are above the law....they can do what they wanted to do with their victims...they believe that they are superior officer on planet earth regardless of who or what you are,,. they gonna beat you with their pleasure.........sorry but this is true.....
69691cody 6 months ago
Their respective mothers must be really proud of them.
PJCelis 6 months ago
@PJCelis Yes, I'm sure their mothers are proud of them. The entire matter rests on one link in the chain of events. Obey the officer's instructions. Resist, run or fight may be instinctic when confronted, but when one obeys the officer, things go much less physical. If the officer says. "stop", the correct response is ... wait for it..,, stop.
ConsiderationAfter 5 months ago
@ConsiderationAfter You have a great slave mentality, congrats. It doesn't matter one bit what happened before this video starts, at this point the man is obviously not a threat in any way and the police men should be put on trial for the violent attack they commit here.
PJCelis 5 months ago
@PJCelis Twice replied was appreciated. Thank you
ConsiderationAfter 5 months ago
@ConsiderationAfter You have a great slave mentality, congrats. It doesn't matter what happened before this video, at this point the guy was no threat hence the police men should be put on trial for a violent attack and abuse of their government granted powers.
PJCelis 5 months ago
@PJCelis I am grateful for your contribution. You certainly made a good point. Someone needed to say it and thank you for taking the initiative to do so.
ConsiderationAfter 5 months ago
@ConsiderationAfter Haha. Good reaction. I always appreciate some irony on a Sunday.
PJCelis 5 months ago
If you live in a large city you're bound to see plenty of homeless people everyday, and 99% of them are just as sane, kind, and caring as anyone with a roof over their head. They aren't second class citizens, and the way that man is being treated is deplorable
eustispanther 6 months ago
and they wonderin why everybody hate them
internalpeaceseeker 7 months ago
He was getting hit because he wasnt complying. end of story.and it is NOT excessive read your state statutes and you will see the order of escalation on effecting an arrest.
mikelang45 7 months ago
@mikelang45 That's complete bullshit. At no time is an officer "allowed" to strike a suspect until due force is shown. They have pepper spray and other means of pain compliance accoutrements that are designed to neutralize a threat. These cops were just being assholes. Based on the fact that the suspect is most likely intoxicated and most definitely much older this was a clear case of abuse. Had that been you, or one of your friends I bet you'd be singing a different tune.
NeoCorpse 6 months ago
pigs will pay. Someday, they're gonna fuck with the wrong person and get laid out. Just like the neighborhood bully. Someday, it will happen.
sethzky77 7 months ago
dudes resisting arrest, cops beat him, whats the big deal?
OPearth 7 months ago
at :30 pig one gives him one more blow to the head then looks around suspiciously, as if to see if anyone is looking.
jimkay66 7 months ago
@jimkay66 i saw it
monniekash 7 months ago
More pigs that need to be arrested for a very, VERY long time. FUCK THESE PIG BASTARDS!
jci10 7 months ago
Damn shame
Cobra1Alpha 7 months ago
Put the names of the Officers on here maybe someone would be nice enough t pay these officers a visit and give them both the same treatment :) I'm just saying
Cobra1Alpha 7 months ago
Rather then force the guy over and force the cuffs on him they hit him till he makes their job easy. I think that is illegal. Cops like that are huge pussies. No wonder no one respects cops anymore.
sanitysvoid 7 months ago
another bum off the street
lemonpop4u 7 months ago
Hey - Po Lice - the eyes of truth is watching everything you do & your actions are like a boomerang - they gonna come back @ you
HeLpLOstGOdAny1 8 months ago
there is no knife or gun wielded here. they are ignorant sons of bitches. i personally beleive if a [oliceman abuses his authority he should be sentenced to life in prison
sincerewright 8 months ago
thats why nobody helps them when they mess with the wrong guy
valkor73 8 months ago
Whist all you do gooders are hurling insults at the police,Im just wondering if any of you lot have ever had a knife or gun aimed,pointed,or aimed at you?Exactly,so dont make comments about situations you clearly know fuck all about!
BogusBoy2121 8 months ago
@BogusBoy2121 so the man on the ground has them scared does he? Yeah that's real brave, guess you'd be just as cowardly then beating on someone in handcuffs face down. ...
HeLpLOstGOdAny1 8 months ago
@BogusBoy2121 Yes, very interesting. Now, returning to the subject of THIS video...
sibeliandrift 7 months ago
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@BogusBoy2121 Yes, very interesting. Now, returning to the subject of THIS video...
sibeliandrift 7 months ago
nice. I wish I could "internally investigate" myself
zppz 8 months ago
dumb people, who filmed this.
just show up with a camera, so the cops can see it, and they would've stopped.
but no, they want to capture the whole beating^^
Mariultra 8 months ago
@Mariultra maybe, maybe not. the first rule of dealing with cops is, never have anything more to do with them than you absolutely have to.
zppz 8 months ago
@zppz don't know, i live in germany, where you don't see such things very often :)
but at least they should have get out of the car , so the cops notice that someone is watching them^^
my opinion
Mariultra 8 months ago
wow the paw paw beat white people to
equal ops i guess lol
icon200 8 months ago
"cause they're bastards!!" hahahaha. those cops are horrible.
iEnjoiSkating123 8 months ago
this is what happens when you don't do what the cops say, " put your hands benind your back, stop resisting, get on the ground face down"
weinmanjoe 8 months ago
The cop on the left that keeps hitting the guy in the face is nothing but a pussy. Take the hand cuffs off and fight like a man you fucking coward.
11301920 8 months ago
put your hands behind your back and you will have a great mugshot, resist and they'll damn near break your face... moral of the story is that if the cops try to arrest you let them. if you dont let them youll get a beat down too
bertman668 8 months ago
@bertman668 yeh thats true cause they are morally bankrupt cowards with little dicks and this is their way of getting their rocks off.
helobelow 8 months ago
Pigs are being told to do this...this is called cleaning the streets... mankind worth more than this!
27rocketman2007 8 months ago
SEATTLE WA, A police officer shot and killed a n8iv for wood carving and not dropping a knife when he is deaf. 2 dys later there are over 10,000 n8iv's walking downtown SEATTLE. the next day the officer and his family was found killed in there living room... the officers parents and siblings were found dead also..
AUG,2010
TRUE STORY LOOK IT UP HERE ON YOUTUBE
SEATTLE WOOD CARVER SHOOTING...
EVER SINCE THAN NO POLICE STOP AND HARRASE NATIVE'S
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tom7041 9 months ago
PIGS! FUCK THA 5 0!! FUCK THA POPOS!! THUMPS UP IF YOUHH AGREE.
galilguy100 9 months ago
I got major respect for cop killers....balance out the odds......you beat a civilian as a authority figure? Then do NOT be surprised when your wife recieves a folded flag.
TheRegimelife 9 months ago
what a pair of dickless faggots
pandadude24 9 months ago 25
Its kinda fucked up that we live in a world where we cant defend our self from cops when they do shit like this or its assaulting an officer man fuck da police. If they do stuff like this to my fam or me they gonna get a fight its just messed up to know I will go to jail for but still I dont give a fuck. CUZ REAL WILL BE REAL NO MATTER WHAT THE LAWS SAY.
Streetwisee13 9 months ago
piece of shit cops.
tackett166 9 months ago
These cops should be shot.
7255202 9 months ago
Why is it not legal to make record of such an event, then go beat these fuckers silly? In all reality they've, at this point, given up any right to carry a gun, or wear that badge they hide behind. And for that matter, the right to breathe the same air I do. The people who stand by and watch this shit happen and don't at the very least say something are no better.
johayn 9 months ago
@johayn You gonna go confront these cops get your ass kicked and go to jail?
7255202 9 months ago
oh come the FUCK ON COPS. Their there for a reason...and its not this shit
studionightbird0 9 months ago
And they wonder why people call them pigs...
purpleskycalm 9 months ago
I'm sure the 200lb guy with his knee in the back of your neck pushing your face into the concrete is pleasant as well.
niemanickurwa 9 months ago
This is what happens to pll they didnt get much love from their mommys. THey become PIGS ( cops ) and beat up ppl that cant protect themselfs but here the kicker...they still have shields and are on the streets
westendtruck 9 months ago
1 Question,
How long does it take two officers to slap the cuffs on a guy? Hes not squirming like a fish or anything just cuff him up and haul em away.
primetime411234 10 months ago
just remember..its not because they are cops. its not the "police" doing the wrong, its the person with the police title.
scarlet6 10 months ago
OMFG!!! why would you do tht!!!???? tht is some low shit right there. that dumb cop is punching the man in the face and he is unconsious!!! THAT IS FUCKING SHIT!!!! i dont usually swear but these dumb ass people get on my nerves!!!!
1craziicookie 10 months ago
A knee pushing down on your neck from a fat officer is very painful.
john17972 10 months ago
@CorruptPhillyCops Amen brother,well said
SystemSlave39 10 months ago
Police Terms,
Its Under investigation = His Friends Are Looking into It!
He’s On Administrative Leave = Vacation!
He’s On Paid Leave = Paid Vacation!
He’s On Un-Paid Leave = He’s Paying for His Vacation!
He’s Been Reassigned = Promoted!
Demoted = He’s Back on the Streets Where He Can Really Do Damage!
He’s Being Re-trained = A Week at a Porn Convention!
Charges are Pending = Looking for Someone Else to Blame!
The Chief of Police is Looking Into it = He’s Making Sure He Cant Be? Blamed!
Harleywalden 10 months ago 44
@Harleywalden lolol
Bang4URBux 10 months ago
@Harleywalden agreed
HRNDONE 4 months ago
karma is a bitch tho hutch11 my friend ended up driving home drunk thinking there is no way they would arrest him even if he got pulled over.... wrong!! lets just say all i hear from him now is how he will one day be a cop..
static5946 10 months ago
Gut das man hier alles genau erkennen kann..Wie lange diese beiden Ihr Opfer quälten konnten ist unvorstellbar..Der eine Polizist links schaut noch vorher ob ihn ja niemand sieht, bevor er wieder ins Gesicht schlägt..Wo bleibt hier das Gesetzt für den armen Mann ?????
Mondscheinserenade 10 months ago
@Mondscheinserenade Wat? Aye doant no wat yore saeeng. Itt allmoast seams layke ae fouren langwaj.
gregryf 10 months ago
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Mondscheinserenade 10 months ago
A.C.A.B!
burcali36 11 months ago
Let me answer the one question that needs to be answered.
"Why are they socking him like that?"
He's not complying. He's not putting his hands behind his back, and this is, as extreme as it looks, called "pain compliance". It's either a couple of shots to the head, or a taser shot. Which would you prefer?
WarInBed 11 months ago
@WarInBed Dude, you are wrong, "pain compliance" is a shot to the lower back and nothing else, these two used punches to the guys face.It was out of line and illegal. They should be suspended without pay while awaiting trial fo assault.
hutch1111111 11 months ago
@hutch1111111 This is the problem with people today. Everyone assumes that the officers are wrong for forceful treatment. "Guilty until proven innocent.".
Maybe if dirtbags actually complied with orders when under arrest, this wouldn't happen. Since dirtbags don't, this is what will happen.
Am I saying beat every person under arrest? No. What I am saying is lets support officers that are trying to keep the streets safe, rather than protecting those who wish to do others harm.
WarInBed 10 months ago
@WarInBed honestly if police where like machines the system would work perfectly but they are not the power gets to them they are gods in their minds they can't be touched... not all but quite a few.. my friend was a jailer and was in training to be an officer and his attitude changed.. he even told me he beat and taunted inmates he saw nothing wrong with it because they commited crimes so they were all bad people....
static5946 10 months ago
@static5946 All you've proved that yes, indeed, there are bad LEOs out there. As well as teachers, civil servants, yadda yadda yadda. The point is, and the only point I've made is IF you don't comply, don't expect Hello Kitty stickers for the trouble.
WarInBed 10 months ago
@static5946 You are absolutely right. They come to think they are right just because they're cops. They are the most arrogant people in our society with the exception of ploiticians.
gregryf 10 months ago
@hutch1111111 ""pain compliance" is a shot to the lower back and nothing else"
Um...no...it's a shot in the face. You can injure vital organs punching someone in the lower back.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Where did you learn that...are you American?
hutch1111111 10 months ago
@hutch1111111 I learned that a punch to the head is a common method of forcing compliance by watching police chase tv shows. It seems like every chase ends with a punch to the face.
Also, pain compliance techniques only work if the person is susceptible to pain. A person on drugs might not react to pain. This is just me being an asshole, but homeless men tend to drink alcohol to excess, which raises their pain threshold and increases belligerence.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@hutch1111111 and battrery
gregryf 10 months ago
This case, while clearly unfair, is a very minor example of police brutality. Thes cops should be prohibited from eating doughnuts for a period of six months.
gregryf 11 months ago
@gregryf Why is it unfair? Conveniently, there's no video of what happened before the cops started punching the guy. You can see the guy resisting arrest. What would you prefer they do? Let him go?
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I meant that the way the cops treated their victim was unfair
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf Yes...I get that...How do you know he's a victim? He's resisting arrest....
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I call him a victim because it looks as though he was beaten unnecessarily. He may have broken the law too. (probably by being homeless) so he may have been both victim and lawbreaker.
gregryf 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 True, there is nothing to show why he was attacked. We don't even know that he did anything wrong. The man did seem to try not to put his hands behind his back but two men can easilly overpower one without beating him. Even after he was cuffed he tried to move and one cop put his knee on the victim's neck and the other held him down with his hands. With his hands cuffed, he couldn't have gotten up anyway. What harmcould he have done thrashing helplessly around on the ground?
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf "Even after he was cuffed he tried to move and one cop put his knee on the victim's neck and the other held him down with his hands....What harmcould he have done thrashing helplessly around on the ground?"
You've never seen anyone spit on a cop? Do you see the latex gloves they're wearing? Fucking christ, you are retarded.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, how far could he spit? If the cops simply moved a few feet away they would have been safe from his spit. If they were afraid of his saliva, they could have put something over his mouth once he was cuffed. In order to beat him the got just as close to his mouth as they would have by putting something over his mouth. If you are unable to figure this out, it seems to me as though YOU are the one who is sadly lacking in mental capacity.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf I apologize for calling you retarded. The final punch is thrown at 0:35. After that, it takes them almost 1 full minute to finally cuff him.
"If the cops simply moved a few feet away they would have been safe from his spit"
How are the cops supposed to arrest him a few feet away?
"They could have put something over his mouth once he was cuffed"
That's a good idea, but what could they use?
It sounds like you want the cops to arrest him without having any physical contact with him...
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Yep, it took a long time to get him cuffed. This further illustrates their ineptitude. I could have done it by myself much more quickly without beating him. Most cops are trained in ways to cuff somone who is struggling.
How are the cops supposed to arrest him a few feet away? They couldn't have but they would have been safe from his spit. There are risks which are inherent in police work and can't be avoided. This doesn't mean they should beat people into submission.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf "How are the cops supposed to arrest him a few feet away? They couldn't have but they would have been safe from his spit. There are risks which are inherent in police work and can't be avoided. This doesn't mean they should beat people into submission."
None of that makes any sense. Are you saying they shouldn't try to arrest him if they are going to get spit on? Are you saying the cop should just let a dude spit on him? Getting shot is a risk..getting spat on is a risk..
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Actually, I gave you two reasonable alternatives to giving a beating if they were afraid of being spat upon. I know you read them and won't repeat them. If he broke the law he should be arrested but not beaten unless he poses an active threat. I'm talkin about some sort of attack. This man did not attack the cops in any way. Struggling is resisting but does not rise to the level of being grounds for a beating.That's about as consise as I can be
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf Reasonable alternatives? You think staying away from the guy is a reasonable alternative? I thought that was a joke. You said they could throw something over his face, but what could they have thrown on him that would have STAYED on him? Also, the beating wasn't for being afraid of getting spat on. The beating was to get him to submit and accept handcuffing. The knee on the neck was to avoid getting spat on.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, I guess you didn't read what I said. Reasonable alternatives - wear protection or put something over his face. Very clear. If he were cuffed anything placed over his face could and secured would have stayed there.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf How could they wear protection if the police department didn't give them anything for protection?
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 by BUYING it the way they buy their guns, body armor, etc.
gregryf 10 months ago
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@gregryf "If he were cuffed anything placed over his face could and secured would have stayed there."
If they had thrown something over his face, people would be complaining that they could've suffocated him.
"by BUYING it the way they buy their guns, body armor, etc."
That is not an acceptable answer, in my opinion. Cops shouldn't have to pay for that stuff.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
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@gregryf "If he were cuffed anything placed over his face could and secured would have stayed there."
If they had thrown something over his face, people would be complaining that they could've suffocated him.
"by BUYING it the way they buy their guns, body armor, etc."
That is not an acceptable answer, in my opinion. Cops shouldn't have to pay for that stuff.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 That's a good idea, but what could they use? If I were that terrified of being spat upon, I would CARRY SOMETHING WITH ME to put over my prisoner's mouth. Or if they were that afraid they could have worn face shields. Of course I would have to get close enough to put it on him. That's one of the risks I mentioned before.
It sounds like you want the cops to arrest him without having any physical contact with him. I'm not cnvinced that he should have been arrested at all.
gregryf 10 months ago
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@gregryf "If I were that terrified of being spat upon, I would CARRY SOMETHING WITH ME to put over my prisoner's mouth. Or if they were that afraid they could have worn face shields."
Yeah, they should give every cop a face shield for that reason. They should also give every cop bullet proof vests. But they don't.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I simply mentioned the possibility of moving a few feet away in order to be safe from his lethal spit. If they had to arrest him and had taken proper precautions It could have been done safely without beating him
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf "I could have done it by myself much more quickly without beating him."
Are you a cop or a prison guard?
"This doesn't mean they should beat people into submission."
It does if that is their only option.
"I'm not cnvinced that he should have been arrested at all."
What could you possibly be basing that on?
"If they had to arrest him and had taken proper precautions It could have been done safely without beating him"
Look at all these assumptions you've made. That's ridiculous.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I'm not a cop or guard but I'm had some training in the martial arts.
I gave you two scenarios in which a beating was not the only option.
I know that many cops tend to flaunt their authority and if I don't see someone break the law I don't just automatically buy the idea that a cop acted properly
I have assumed nothing. You seem to have assumed that the cops acted properly and that they might have been spat on.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf ALL of those things I listed were assumptions. You assumed you could've cuffed the guy (even though you have no training). You assumed the cops had another option to force submission other than punching him. You assumed the homeless guy did nothing to get arrested. You assumed the cops had other methods of taking precautions against spitting. Here's one more:
"This man did not attack the cops in any way."
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 If these things are assumptions, they are based upon fact. One, I know several cops and I know they are trained on how to cuff a prisoner. Two, I know they are also trained in arresting people without beating them. I don't assume anything pertaining to the man's guilt. The video shows nothing concerning that and I just don't know. Three, I GAVE you two other ways to keep from being spat on. Four, I watched the video. It showed no attack by the homeless guy.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf "I don't assume anything pertaining to the man's guilt. The video shows nothing concerning that and I just don't know."
The guy's guilt is irrelevant to this argument. It should be assumed he did something worthy of arrest. Also, you must've forgotten that you wrote this: "This man did not attack the cops in any way."
"I watched the video. It showed no attack by the homeless guy."
So if it didn't happen on the video, it didn't really happen? I may have to retract my earlier apology.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You don't pay much attention to what you read do you? I explained that I don't assume that the cops acted apropriately because sometimes they don't. I have seen it happen. His innocence or guilt is NOT irrelavent to the situation, it is critical. I DIDN'T forget what I wrote, all I have to go on is the video. If he attacked the cops, tell me when it was. It sure wasn't on the video. Retract or don't. Doesn't matter to me. Fact is I may have to resort to nastiness pretty soon too.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf You don't pay attention to what you WRITE.
"His innocence or guilt is NOT irrelavent to the situation, it is critical."
The issue between you and I is that you think numerous punches and putting a knee into their neck to keep them down is excessive force. I disagree. Resisting arrest is a sign of aggression. Whether or not you think you are innocent makes no difference if a cop tries to handcuff you. You have to comply. It's a matter of public safety. Just like traffic stops.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Yes, if a cop tries to cuff you you are required to comply. struggling to avoid being cuffed is resisting but it is not aggressive and it is not an attack. It is an attempt to escape. You are right, I believe beating a man into submission is excessive unless he represents a threat. I also think that putting a knee on his neck AFTER he's been handcuffed is extremely excessive. They should be prohibited from having any contact at all with doughnuts for at least six months.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf Personally, I think the public should be scared of resisting arrest. It SEEMS to me (although I don't know this for a fact) that people don't even get punished for resisting arrest. So what's the incentive to comply with the cop? Makes no sense to me.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@gregryf Did you read the description? This is ONLY THE COPS' side of the story:
"individual was stiff, there was alcohol around him...it was very apparent that he had been drinking, uh, excessively...there was resistance in terms of the line of questioning and his answers to certain questions...at some point, an altercation occurred between the suspect and the officers. At one point, one of the officers was punched by the suspect in the arm...the officer had his badge ripped off of his shirt"
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I didn't see this and did not read it. Doesn't matter though. None of this is grounds for a beating. When the suspect was beaten on the tape, he was posing no threat. It doesn't matter what he did before that. If he attacked the cop or resisted, the cop could have maced him or tazed him. The beating (although it didn't amount to much of a beating) was unneccessary. I bet the suspect would have told a very different story. Who knows what really happened prior to the taping?
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf You think mace would've made any difference? They probably could've easily subdued him by tazing him, you're right. But they'd risk KILLING him. How much electricity do you think it'd take to kill a 52 year old homeless alcoholic? My guess is NOT MUCH. These cops should be commended for using discretion. And if they'd tazed him, there'd be people complaining about how it was wrong to taze him because he was an old man and it could've killed him! It's a no-win situation with you people!
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Yes, I think mace would have stopped him. Once I maced myself in order to see what it was like. It will stop most people. The reason for using mace and tazers is because they impose much less risk than a beating. If you understood electricity you would know that voltage alone is not dangerous. It is current which is dangerous. Tazers have high voltage but almost no current. Dying or being injured from being tazed is much less likely than from a beating.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf All of this is bullshit. You're full of shit. Or you're psychotic.
"I think mace would have stopped him."
Then you're a moron.
"The reason for using mace and tazers is because they impose much less risk than a beating."
Yes, much less risk TO THE OFFICER. It gives cops the ability to incapacitate someone from a distance. And it wasn't a beating. And look up what tazers can do to old people.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, you're wrong, doctor, I'm far from a moron. I've been tested and my IQ is quite high.
You are right, mace and tazers involve less risk to both parties, and it WAS a beating. They hit him. If someone else and I had done that to them, they would have called it a beating.
Look up what beatings can do to anyone.
Here's a definition of the word beaten. I found it online. beaten - beaten repeatedly with heavy blows
gregryf 10 months ago
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@gregryf "I'm far from a moron. I've been tested and my IQ is quite high."
Troll. You have no martial arts training, either. You're a liar, and not even a good one. I do believe that you maced yourself, but only to build up a tolerance to it so it doesn't affect you when you stalk women.
"beaten - beaten repeatedly with heavy blows"
Troll. That was kind of funny though.
"When you learn the difference between left and right we can discuss this further."
Troll.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 It's obvious that you've finally realized you've lost this argument. That's why you're rseorting to name calling and attempts at belittlement. It's been my experience that when small minds are unable to prevail in sensible discussion that's what they do. You're simply unable to think coherently. Your comments are so foolish that even Youtube hides them.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf I realized you're a lying piece of shit. What's the point in "arguing" when you're just going to deny things that are blatantly obvious? They are clearly grappling with something.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 One officer is grappling with his LEFT arm in an attempt to subdue him. I know this from my training in the MARTIAL ARTS. He is trying but doesn't know how to do it correctly.
gregryf 10 months ago
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@gregryf "it looks like the man and one cop are grappling with something. The man is holding it with his right hand and the cop is holding it with his left hand. The cop pulls it from the man's grasp at about the 0:04 mark, after the other cop punches him 3 times in the face."
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@gregryf I just noticed that at the start of the video, it looks like the man and one cop are grappling with something. The man is holding it with his right hand and the cop is holding it with his left hand. The cop pulls it from the man's grasp at about the 0:04 mark, after the other cop punches him 3 times in the face.
And stop saying he was beaten. He was punched. Rodney King was beaten (justifiably). How would you have described it if they had used their batons? Attempted murder?
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I watched it again and didn't see what you describe. His right hand seems to be lying flat on the ground. One cop is working with his left arm. His hand appears empty to me.
I say he was beaten because that's what happened. What do you do when you hit someone? You beat them.
If Rodney King's beating was justified, why did he win 3.5 million dollars in his lawsuit?
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf "His right hand seems to be lying flat on the ground. One cop is working with his left arm. His hand appears empty to me."
If you pause it at 0:03, you can clearly see both guys' hands are balled into a fist and they are stuck to each other. At no point within the first 4 seconds is the dude's right hand on the ground. You're a liar and a troll.
"If Rodney King's beating was justified, why did he win 3.5 million dollars in his lawsuit?"
Because the cops didn't even try to handcuff him
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 When you learn the difference between left and right we can discuss this further.
gregryf 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I don't know what video you watched but the one I watched does not show that.
So are you saying that because the cops didn't try to cuff Rodney King, he won? And the beating he recieved had nothing to do with it? Hmmmmm, I guess your mind really Is twisted.
gregryf 10 months ago
@gregryf "So are you saying that because the cops didn't try to cuff Rodney King, he won?"
I don't know why I'm even answering your bitch ass, but the answer is yes. It's apparent in the video that the cops were just trying to beat him until he stopped moving. From a legal perspective, that's wrong. But he was driving with a blood alcohol content twice the legal limit and took the cops on a high speed chase through a residential area. They should've smashed his nuts with a hammer.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I don't know why you answer me either. It's a fool's errand. You'll never be able to keep up with me, that's why you are becoming so nasty. It's OK though, feel free to keep wasting your time.
btw, two of those cops did time for their justifiable beating of Rodney King.
gregryf 10 months ago
@synthpathetic And a giant cup of coffee.
gregryf 11 months ago