@anubethc45 The origin of the car has nothing to do with it they. They're saying that it's comparing something vastly superior to something that's only sub-standard. Do you understand? They're not saying It's like comparing Japan to America. It's a comparison in the quality.
Well, both ladies did them pretty well. The tragedy about Tonya was that she got lazy. Simple as that. Had she committed herself for the 1991/1992 Olympic Season and won a medal at the 1992 Games in Albertville, France, like I think she could have, then I really don't think all the garbage with having to resort to her thugs attacking poor Kerrigan would have been necessary, IMO
Yes, Midori's body leans in the air. However, if you watch carefully, she keeps the same angle from the take-off to the landing while Tonya tilts in the air.
Tayna Harding's triple axels are amazing, she generates so much height and air time, more than the others I'll tell you that, that's just genetics, she has powerful legs.
Tonya's 3Axels had phenomenal height (even if she was off axis). This one here she is completely finished rotating before hitting the ice & almost looks like she has to find the ice because she has so much air time. One has to remember that Midori was practicing them regularly since the mid-80s so the mechanics were more automatic & you can see that in her repetitive technique & smoothness. Tonya's legacy is tarnished but we cannot forget that she was a great skater.
They both have a unique presentation. Midori's Axel is on more of a slant in the air while Tonya's is higher and covers more ground. I love them both!
Ito's triple axel was higher and neater in the air, more straight up. She had a tighter rotation and a more elegant landing. Plus she did the triple axel a couple years earlier than Harding. Ito was the first woman to land it in competition.
Tonya's was better Midori was very small back in those days so her triple axel came off as this "Huge Jump" when in fact Tonya's was better and couple of inches taller...
For those of you saying her triple axel is sloppy - she is one of only 6 women who have done a successful triple axel. So, apparently, you who are criticizing her, are not one of them.
jumps at that time were so much different. notice how the skaters today have the legs wrapped at the ankles- and like some have already commented on how sloppy tonya harding's legs were in the air. but STILL. they (midori ito and tonya harding) had the most amazing height on their 3axels. my gosh.
hey so i know pretty much nothing about ice skating apart from watching it on youtube and daincing on ice! but i was just wondering what makes a triple axel so much harder than any other jump???
they all look really tough to me i was just curious to know the difference.
An axel is the only jump taking off going forward, so to land a single axel you have to do one and a half rotations in the air. So, a triple axel, unlike all the other triple jumps, needs 3 and a half rotations instead of just 3. Very few people have mastered the triple axel... It's a really hard jump!
It is a good comparison, but it is NOT easy to fairly compare the height, because the distance and the angle of the camera made it impossible. I have to say that both ladies are phemonenal. Both are no longer active in skating, but left totally different legacy on the ice. One will be forever remembered by her astounding "Rose of Pain", the other has to walk in the shadow of shame.
Wow, they both have better triple axels than most of the male skaters. I have to say Tonya's probably my favourite all time skater, there's so much life and energy in her performances (especially from 1991)
tonya was backward in the air, and spins so sloppily. I don't know how tonya lands all her jumps because she's always spinning strangely and sloppily in the air. it's like she lands on her heels yet she still manages.
The camera angle lifted Harding's jump so it seemed like her's was higher but it wasn't. Ito's triple axel is explosive. But I do agree that Harding was more sloppy but at that point in time any completion of a three and a half rotation was good enough.
Are you blind, how can you say Tonya's are straighter ? You'd better not sit behind the wheel of a car and drive it, you are as blind as you are dumb. Her axels were always off-axis, even her biggest fans would agree. You complete moron.
Whilst it's OK to compare these 2 axels as we all have done here, don't forget that we're not looking at the best triple axel of each girl. Just something worth remembering when talking about, for example, the height. If you watched Rose of Pain or the 1988 NHK LP, you'd see how high Midori's triple axels can be.
Tonya actually finishes the jump higher, it's kind of amazing how she can drop that far out, it almost looks like a pairs throw. Midori's is higher but she doesn't have as tight an air position.
Both of these ladies had amazing triple axels, they were high and powerful, compared to the girls today who basically eke them out. Mao Asada is the exception, she rotates them properly, just has such tight air position, if she had that and the height these two were getting she'd be doing quads.
Dude, there is no such freaking thing as prerotation. Look at any quad or even triple jump in slow motion. All skaters are at least a quarter turn rotated before they completely leave the ice. The axel is actually the hardest jump to prerotate, and Tonya harding's is clean. She's just off axis compared to Midori's textbook one.
Midori's facial appearance is of no importance, LBC6893. What is more important than that is Midori Ito's incredible jumps and powerful skating. Ito is even more visual appealing and attractive than Tonya Harding in term of picturesque beauty and her status as a phenomenal triple axel queen.
Both do it beautifully & both are amazing. I do agree with soulmuzixercher about Tonya's legs being tighter in the air, but either way both of them pull it off brilliantly. Certainly a thousand times better than Kimmie Meissner & many others these days who 'cheat' the landings. Midori & Tonya are genuinely stunning & actually make the triples cleanly in the air :) Thanks for posting this :)
Every triple axel of Tonya's on youtube, as far as I can see, are all off axis. I admire her for doing them and the height, but you cannot say that they are higher than Midori's just by comparing these particular ones here. Try watching "Midori Ito 1993 World Pro Rose of Pain", or "Midori Ito 1988 NHK LP" especially the slow motion of the tripel axel at the end of the program. She is higher than the barrier.
I think one should also consider Midori's consistency in landing the jump. I don't think Tonya was ever really very consistency. In addition, you also have to consider the combinations... Midori does a triple/triple and I think Tonya only ever did a Triple/Double, so for Tonya to compare herself to Midori...well, I just don't think there's even a comparison.
I think one thing can be said here - both Midori's and Tonya's 3 axels are better than the spindly little 3 axels that any of the ladies are doing today. Those 2 pioneers of the 3 axel in ladies skating really flew, the height on both is excellent.
I think in form, pending the lean, Tonya's technique is better. Also form is better. Look at her legs, they are tight in the air. Midori however has some leg space in between her legs. Midori's axis is better than Tonya's but Tonya's form in the air is great.
The axels that these ladies did are good. However, Midori is a lot shorter than Tonya (4'8 and 5'1), so if Midori's axel is higher than Tonya's it is because of laws of physics.
well if they have the same speed and the same amount of push off then they are still not gonna have the same height not exactly. its like throwing and apple and a large banana up in the air if the banna is straight up and so does the apple the banna is gonna look higher. but i think when i tcomes to height we need look from teh feet up then heads b/c it may look like tonyas is higher or shorter n midori has more angle and tonya doesnt
Midori ito's triple axel jump is better.. No one can beat her.. Don't compare her to that Tonya tsuvaers because she does not have the guts! Peace.. Its only my opinion..
i must say that Tonya¨s air-position is better, because ito has not a staight and slim position. But she has so much high that makes her land the jump. But i think tonyas is slightly better.
this isn't a painting or a song, there's no "opinion" here...a skating jump can be better or worse based on universally accepted standards of height, speed, axis of rotation etc etc. Tonya's lean is so unattractive, it's a wonder how she doesn't fall when she lands, and her landing is so sloppy too.
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please dont talk like youre talking to a child....you have eyes and you see that she is not falling, or? there is no wonder...but please if you feel better and if you can sleep better at night: midori is better...so, did you stop crying now?:-)
Eh? I don't see how shinshaw's post was babying. (S)he's just stating his/her "opinion" that Midori had a better triple axel combo. In fact, your teasing reply is the one that looks very immature :/
When you say you don't compare figure skaters to cars, elisan693, can I just ask why you compared Midori to a Ferrari on your comment on 1989 worlds long programme ? I guess you forgot ! Anyway, we agree she is a great skater.
The person is NOT comparing Midori to a car, use your brain ! He/she is saying that a Ferrari is better than a Ford, as so Midori is better than Harding, it's a simple English comparison. Don't take things so literally. You also mention another person on youtube being stupid, but I think the common denominator here is you.
not really. Lets get to the point here, We are not going to go visually comparing figure skaters to cars. This is not an appropriate language to engage when we are discussing the performance of each figure skaters. We either critique the performance due to our visual concept of their jumps. Performance cars and figure skating are totally unrelated to each other.
Funny how much of a hypocrite you are, elisan. On 1989 Midori Ito's long program video you compared her to a ferrari and now you say you dont compare figure skaters to cars? Hmmm.
Ito's triple axel was really loose, and she could have tried for one more revolution. Tonya's triple axel was tight, but if she tried anymore, I think she'd fall right into the boards. But still, triple axels are not a feat to be scoffed at.
Comparing Midori's triple axel to Tonya's is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford.
Midori has landed hundreds of these & you'll see they're nearly all fully rotated long before she lands, with enough room for another rotation (check other videos, there are enough of them showing her consistent text book perfect triple axels). The only consistency about Tonya's is that they are ALL off axis and scruffy looking jumps. As for Midori's Triple Axel / Triple Toe combo at the Lalique,well,say no more.
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I don't compare figure skaters to cars. What were you thinking? When one silly poster referred one skater to a elephant, I had to either laugh or cry. She was either trying to be funny, annoying or stupid.
tonya's finishes rotating and checks out in the middle of the air. ito has a nasty wrap and rotates almost all the way to the ice. i hate wraps so i like tonya's better.
If I were to choose, I like Midori Ito's triple axle better than Tonya Harding. Ito's axle is cleaner, more powerful and covers more distance plus the height than Tonya. Tonya's a bit more tipsy and rough around the edge with some drag at the end of it but then glides out nicely. Ito's done her axle even more nicely from the jump to the landing and the aftermath.
They both have big Tripple Axels. To say one is bigger than the other is absurd. The camera is at different angles for both skaters, and the speed is different. Also keep in mind that Ito had a "jump technician", this is all Harding baby!
I thought of Midori Ito's axel a bit cleaner than Harding, but thats my opinion and I also agreed with one poster saying that Ito's axel was cleaner. But I think the rink should have been bigger for Ito because Ito's jump covers more distance than Harding.
Basically, Tonya is leaning over in the air. She isn't straight (not 180 degrees). She is lucky she landed it. The only thing that looks better is the brightness of the video. If you saw them both properly, you would see that Midori's is much better by far. She is the triple axel queen.
It looks here like Tonya's axel is actually a little "better"; however, Midori was able to manage the combo with a little more tenacity. I don't know anything about axises (axes? axii?) I just felt the axel looked cleaner coming from Tonya.
There's a whole montage of Midori's triple axels under the name of "Midori". Midori is the best at the triple axel - by far. I agree that Tonya's were always very "off axis" in the air, and she did land "stiff legged". I admire her though for going for the triple axel, when none of the other ladies were, but Midori's were all higher, faster and text book air position. She was the best !!!!!!!
your comments are very clear to the concept. We don't need other visual elements to describe Midori's axel, in comparison to Tonya's..... The video clearly demonstrates the differences in the type of skills required to get a superior jump. It proves that Midori is a natural athlete as well, as the strongest jumper yet.
Midori so far has always displayed the BEST triple axel among the ladies in all time. She has the highest & biggest. Notice that every time Midori lands it, which was VERY often, it's so perfect, high, and straight. For Tonya, it's sloppy, tilted, barely making the combo in this clip. Today's girls...very fast rotation, sloppy landings, low, etc. Midori always had the better landing as well.
WOW that's amazing!! I think Tonya is higher than midori, but... Midori's longer in distance!! SO... I preffer Midori's axcel!! I miss that kind of great jumper skater!! 1992 Olimpic Games... ROCKS!!
I know that Tonya skated so much better than Nancy Kerrigan! Kerrigan fell and made so many mistakes in one program, and Tonya skated so much better, but they gave the higher marks to Nancy.
I wish someone couuld still sponsor Tonya and allow her to have a skating show. She has so much talent, and I wish her the very best!
Tonya and Midori have lower points at presentation and artistic, and... Kimmie and Mao are just a little princes, very talented and high artistic also!! I like much more Mao, I wish for her the best!!
Both Midori and Tonya's jumps are equally impressive- especially in contrast to those being completed now by today's ladies skaters. There's less cheating off the angle and they are fully rotated, but beyond that, these jumps have power and height. That none of the current ladies' skaters have this kind of power and speed is a sad commentary for the sport.
Amen! Haha, who would have thought that we would be fond of the "good ol' days" of jumps? Maybe some of the newer skaters will get stronger jumps before the next Olympics or something.
Midori's kicks ass
sk8ingcoach1 7 months ago
@anubethc45 The origin of the car has nothing to do with it they. They're saying that it's comparing something vastly superior to something that's only sub-standard. Do you understand? They're not saying It's like comparing Japan to America. It's a comparison in the quality.
Vanyaloth 7 months ago
midori had a wrap : (
trojanrob24 1 year ago
@trojanrob24 Who cares, its fucking huge !!!!!!!
sk8ingcoach1 6 months ago
They are always going to be legends!!! No matter whatever scandal goes around, they are legends.
filipinoICEsk8ter 1 year ago
Well, both ladies did them pretty well. The tragedy about Tonya was that she got lazy. Simple as that. Had she committed herself for the 1991/1992 Olympic Season and won a medal at the 1992 Games in Albertville, France, like I think she could have, then I really don't think all the garbage with having to resort to her thugs attacking poor Kerrigan would have been necessary, IMO
edgeacebeaglebrady 1 year ago
I mean these women are freaks of nature.... just blows my mind. everytime i go into axel or double axel.... I'm thinking "midori ito midori ito" lol
AndewithanE 1 year ago
Tonya's jumps are straighter.Ito's were always slanted to a degree.
HattieLovesCattie 1 year ago
@HattieLovesCattie
Yes, Midori's body leans in the air. However, if you watch carefully, she keeps the same angle from the take-off to the landing while Tonya tilts in the air.
kh3205 1 year ago
@kh3205 Wonder if they both can land the jump now?
HattieLovesCattie 1 year ago
If you see carefully, Midori jumped(both legs away from rink) earlier than Tonya. But Tonya spins faster than Midori.
kolaicy 1 year ago
Mao Asada's triple axel is beautiful but I know it all started with these two. It's too bad that Tonya is only remembered for other thing...
Emeraldgreen501 2 years ago 8
スローVTRの速度が同じかどうかはわからないけど、これだけを比較すると、滞空時間でTonya Hardingの方がMidori Itoを上回っている。 ただ、空中姿勢は断然 Midori Itoの方が綺麗でTonya Hardingは軸がズレていて綺麗じゃない。 トータルで考えると、やはりジャンプに限っては、Midori Ito の右に出る者はいない。
1win1win1 2 years ago 15
Tayna Harding's triple axels are amazing, she generates so much height and air time, more than the others I'll tell you that, that's just genetics, she has powerful legs.
SumNJFella 2 years ago
Tonya's 3Axels had phenomenal height (even if she was off axis). This one here she is completely finished rotating before hitting the ice & almost looks like she has to find the ice because she has so much air time. One has to remember that Midori was practicing them regularly since the mid-80s so the mechanics were more automatic & you can see that in her repetitive technique & smoothness. Tonya's legacy is tarnished but we cannot forget that she was a great skater.
officeaddict33 2 years ago
They both have a unique presentation. Midori's Axel is on more of a slant in the air while Tonya's is higher and covers more ground. I love them both!
NorthEast81 2 years ago 3
Ito's triple axel was higher and neater in the air, more straight up. She had a tighter rotation and a more elegant landing. Plus she did the triple axel a couple years earlier than Harding. Ito was the first woman to land it in competition.
mrshinyshoes 2 years ago 6
Tonya's was better Midori was very small back in those days so her triple axel came off as this "Huge Jump" when in fact Tonya's was better and couple of inches taller...
learnforpower 2 years ago
For those of you saying her triple axel is sloppy - she is one of only 6 women who have done a successful triple axel. So, apparently, you who are criticizing her, are not one of them.
KateKatastrophei 2 years ago 4
Tonya is just stinky looking. i'll bet she never douches... eeeew!
tracyterry 2 years ago
You have me rolling on the floor in pain I'm laughing so hard she doesn't right?! LMAO!
learnforpower 2 years ago
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You sound gay you moron.
HattieLovesCattie 2 years ago
jumps at that time were so much different. notice how the skaters today have the legs wrapped at the ankles- and like some have already commented on how sloppy tonya harding's legs were in the air. but STILL. they (midori ito and tonya harding) had the most amazing height on their 3axels. my gosh.
elinzme 2 years ago 3
they were both pretty much the same goodness. Both were just huge, the men today rarely get that height.
tinymavy 2 years ago 5
The old memory is rusty-I did not know Tonya had thrown her triple axel in combo!
faeryquene 2 years ago 2
hey so i know pretty much nothing about ice skating apart from watching it on youtube and daincing on ice! but i was just wondering what makes a triple axel so much harder than any other jump???
they all look really tough to me i was just curious to know the difference.
eimsnic 2 years ago
An axel is the only jump taking off going forward, so to land a single axel you have to do one and a half rotations in the air. So, a triple axel, unlike all the other triple jumps, needs 3 and a half rotations instead of just 3. Very few people have mastered the triple axel... It's a really hard jump!
FigureSkaterOfficial 2 years ago
oh thanks!!!
that clears it up!!!
eimsnic 2 years ago
You and me both! I've always wondered this, too!:)
Msrjs078308 2 years ago
I think Tonya has a slightly cleaner take off, but wow both were incredible!
uwoeric 2 years ago
It is a good comparison, but it is NOT easy to fairly compare the height, because the distance and the angle of the camera made it impossible. I have to say that both ladies are phemonenal. Both are no longer active in skating, but left totally different legacy on the ice. One will be forever remembered by her astounding "Rose of Pain", the other has to walk in the shadow of shame.
dancelina1111 2 years ago 4
Wow, they both have better triple axels than most of the male skaters. I have to say Tonya's probably my favourite all time skater, there's so much life and energy in her performances (especially from 1991)
katanbucket 2 years ago
Tonya's jumps were higher and straighter but both gals were amazing!
HattieLovesCattie 2 years ago
tonya was backward in the air, and spins so sloppily. I don't know how tonya lands all her jumps because she's always spinning strangely and sloppily in the air. it's like she lands on her heels yet she still manages.
gkundo 2 years ago
The camera angle lifted Harding's jump so it seemed like her's was higher but it wasn't. Ito's triple axel is explosive. But I do agree that Harding was more sloppy but at that point in time any completion of a three and a half rotation was good enough.
foresure88 2 years ago 5
She had strong legs! She was usually slanted in the air. It is amazing she could hold on...
GoFigureSkating 2 years ago 4
@HattieLovesCattie
Are you blind, how can you say Tonya's are straighter ? You'd better not sit behind the wheel of a car and drive it, you are as blind as you are dumb. Her axels were always off-axis, even her biggest fans would agree. You complete moron.
Scissorhands999 1 year ago
Midori's air position is better!!!lol
musicstar617 3 years ago 4
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Tonya Fucking Harding- 1 Pt.
Imogence 3 years ago
"Tonya Harding warmup triple Axel" video captures one of the best by any woman skater. Check it out!
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 years ago 3
Midori's 1993 rose of pain IS the golden standard for 3 axels!
i like her wrapped leg, it's cool and shows the power she had when jumping...
Egbert23 3 years ago 4
wraping the leg is bad
sk8ingrose 2 years ago
stewnwt. You must have perspective.
waddleduckie1 3 years ago
Whilst it's OK to compare these 2 axels as we all have done here, don't forget that we're not looking at the best triple axel of each girl. Just something worth remembering when talking about, for example, the height. If you watched Rose of Pain or the 1988 NHK LP, you'd see how high Midori's triple axels can be.
Newhighlander 3 years ago 5
Tonya actually finishes the jump higher, it's kind of amazing how she can drop that far out, it almost looks like a pairs throw. Midori's is higher but she doesn't have as tight an air position.
StewNWT 3 years ago
Both of these ladies had amazing triple axels, they were high and powerful, compared to the girls today who basically eke them out. Mao Asada is the exception, she rotates them properly, just has such tight air position, if she had that and the height these two were getting she'd be doing quads.
StewNWT 3 years ago 4
After rewatching both of their first sucessful attempts at the 3A, I think Tonyas were landed better
No1ZmeskalFan 3 years ago
Um...both landed great,but look at Tonya's 2nd jump.
Ain't that way pre-lotated???
They both did great,I think.
ikachanusa 3 years ago
Dude, there is no such freaking thing as prerotation. Look at any quad or even triple jump in slow motion. All skaters are at least a quarter turn rotated before they completely leave the ice. The axel is actually the hardest jump to prerotate, and Tonya harding's is clean. She's just off axis compared to Midori's textbook one.
StewNWT 3 years ago
Sure do - the best female skater ever !
Scissorhands999 3 years ago
wow Scissorhands999 ... love midori much?
wundrwall 3 years ago
Midori's facial appearance is of no importance, LBC6893. What is more important than that is Midori Ito's incredible jumps and powerful skating. Ito is even more visual appealing and attractive than Tonya Harding in term of picturesque beauty and her status as a phenomenal triple axel queen.
waddleduckie1 3 years ago 8
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I choose the one whos eyes arent slanted
LBC6893 3 years ago
Both do it beautifully & both are amazing. I do agree with soulmuzixercher about Tonya's legs being tighter in the air, but either way both of them pull it off brilliantly. Certainly a thousand times better than Kimmie Meissner & many others these days who 'cheat' the landings. Midori & Tonya are genuinely stunning & actually make the triples cleanly in the air :) Thanks for posting this :)
HRHMabs 3 years ago 3
Tanya's outfit is so ugly. And her axis is wobbly. Hate to nit-pick but they are both so amazing you have to.
fatskateman 3 years ago
Every triple axel of Tonya's on youtube, as far as I can see, are all off axis. I admire her for doing them and the height, but you cannot say that they are higher than Midori's just by comparing these particular ones here. Try watching "Midori Ito 1993 World Pro Rose of Pain", or "Midori Ito 1988 NHK LP" especially the slow motion of the tripel axel at the end of the program. She is higher than the barrier.
Scissorhands999 3 years ago 3
it's cute to watch them side by side...great height and beautiful rotations!
fliptart 3 years ago
I think one should also consider Midori's consistency in landing the jump. I don't think Tonya was ever really very consistency. In addition, you also have to consider the combinations... Midori does a triple/triple and I think Tonya only ever did a Triple/Double, so for Tonya to compare herself to Midori...well, I just don't think there's even a comparison.
greyserf 3 years ago 3
i think tonya's is higher. but midori's is more beautiful
loveyunakim 3 years ago
I think one thing can be said here - both Midori's and Tonya's 3 axels are better than the spindly little 3 axels that any of the ladies are doing today. Those 2 pioneers of the 3 axel in ladies skating really flew, the height on both is excellent.
npe1 3 years ago 10
I think in form, pending the lean, Tonya's technique is better. Also form is better. Look at her legs, they are tight in the air. Midori however has some leg space in between her legs. Midori's axis is better than Tonya's but Tonya's form in the air is great.
soulmuzixercher 3 years ago
Midori Ito's 3a is by far better in my opinion than tonya's.
biellmann568 3 years ago 2
It's really quite amazing how Tonya pulled it off. I think that Midori has a more consistant looking axel.
Coramyajay 3 years ago 5
The axels that these ladies did are good. However, Midori is a lot shorter than Tonya (4'8 and 5'1), so if Midori's axel is higher than Tonya's it is because of laws of physics.
adglen41112 4 years ago 2
Really? And how's that, pray tell???
OctopussInPants10min 3 years ago
well if they have the same speed and the same amount of push off then they are still not gonna have the same height not exactly. its like throwing and apple and a large banana up in the air if the banna is straight up and so does the apple the banna is gonna look higher. but i think when i tcomes to height we need look from teh feet up then heads b/c it may look like tonyas is higher or shorter n midori has more angle and tonya doesnt
JudeHarrison0289 3 years ago
I look at the bottom, not at the top :P
Still, someone has to explain how and why the laws of physics PROVE that Midori's is and would automatically be bigger than Tonya's...
OctopussInPants10min 3 years ago
midori's 3 axel is for a long way better when she is making the rotations she look perfect not shacked and forced besides you can compare the high
jabolanos 4 years ago 4
I like Tonya ones. Look at her height - it´s brillant and I think she´s got more guts than the others. Just my opinion.
dolphinsmilie 4 years ago
Midori ito's triple axel jump is better.. No one can beat her.. Don't compare her to that Tonya tsuvaers because she does not have the guts! Peace.. Its only my opinion..
lerrylie 4 years ago 8
I personally see Midori's triple axel as better. Like people said, Tonya has this odd lean in the air.
neartorn 4 years ago 21
@neartorn ...but Midori had that leg wrap.
mattimattiusa 10 months ago
Tonya's is better!
hilljayne 4 years ago
Midori Ito's 3a is a better than Harding's just a bit...
getmewild 4 years ago
i must say that Tonya¨s air-position is better, because ito has not a staight and slim position. But she has so much high that makes her land the jump. But i think tonyas is slightly better.
Zeejesusjr 4 years ago
midori is better than tonya and faster
genismart 4 years ago 2
everyone thinks different! i think tonya is better! so lets leave everyone with their opinion!
cc4505 4 years ago
this isn't a painting or a song, there's no "opinion" here...a skating jump can be better or worse based on universally accepted standards of height, speed, axis of rotation etc etc. Tonya's lean is so unattractive, it's a wonder how she doesn't fall when she lands, and her landing is so sloppy too.
shinshaw2000 4 years ago
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please dont talk like youre talking to a child....you have eyes and you see that she is not falling, or? there is no wonder...but please if you feel better and if you can sleep better at night: midori is better...so, did you stop crying now?:-)
cc4505 4 years ago
Eh? I don't see how shinshaw's post was babying. (S)he's just stating his/her "opinion" that Midori had a better triple axel combo. In fact, your teasing reply is the one that looks very immature :/
neartorn 4 years ago
sorry no i didnt want to seem immature! i just said that everyone thinks different! where is the problem..there shouldnt be any...!
cc4505 4 years ago
When you say you don't compare figure skaters to cars, elisan693, can I just ask why you compared Midori to a Ferrari on your comment on 1989 worlds long programme ? I guess you forgot ! Anyway, we agree she is a great skater.
Scissorhands999 4 years ago
MIDORI ITO is the QUEEN
acaestoy85 4 years ago 4
The person is NOT comparing Midori to a car, use your brain ! He/she is saying that a Ferrari is better than a Ford, as so Midori is better than Harding, it's a simple English comparison. Don't take things so literally. You also mention another person on youtube being stupid, but I think the common denominator here is you.
Newhighlander 4 years ago
not really. Lets get to the point here, We are not going to go visually comparing figure skaters to cars. This is not an appropriate language to engage when we are discussing the performance of each figure skaters. We either critique the performance due to our visual concept of their jumps. Performance cars and figure skating are totally unrelated to each other.
elisan693 4 years ago
Funny how much of a hypocrite you are, elisan. On 1989 Midori Ito's long program video you compared her to a ferrari and now you say you dont compare figure skaters to cars? Hmmm.
ShannonStrawberries 4 years ago
Ito's triple axel was really loose, and she could have tried for one more revolution. Tonya's triple axel was tight, but if she tried anymore, I think she'd fall right into the boards. But still, triple axels are not a feat to be scoffed at.
mkscfan 4 years ago 2
One more revolution...a QUAD AXEL! Thats unheard of! Wow!
ShannonStrawberries 4 years ago
Comparing Midori's triple axel to Tonya's is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford.
Midori has landed hundreds of these & you'll see they're nearly all fully rotated long before she lands, with enough room for another rotation (check other videos, there are enough of them showing her consistent text book perfect triple axels). The only consistency about Tonya's is that they are ALL off axis and scruffy looking jumps. As for Midori's Triple Axel / Triple Toe combo at the Lalique,well,say no more.
Scissorhands999 4 years ago 5
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I don't compare figure skaters to cars. What were you thinking? When one silly poster referred one skater to a elephant, I had to either laugh or cry. She was either trying to be funny, annoying or stupid.
elisan693 4 years ago
tonya's finishes rotating and checks out in the middle of the air. ito has a nasty wrap and rotates almost all the way to the ice. i hate wraps so i like tonya's better.
xxtuxxx 4 years ago
If I were to choose, I like Midori Ito's triple axle better than Tonya Harding. Ito's axle is cleaner, more powerful and covers more distance plus the height than Tonya. Tonya's a bit more tipsy and rough around the edge with some drag at the end of it but then glides out nicely. Ito's done her axle even more nicely from the jump to the landing and the aftermath.
elisan693 4 years ago 3
They both have big Tripple Axels. To say one is bigger than the other is absurd. The camera is at different angles for both skaters, and the speed is different. Also keep in mind that Ito had a "jump technician", this is all Harding baby!
Nevelstraum 4 years ago
I thought of Midori Ito's axel a bit cleaner than Harding, but thats my opinion and I also agreed with one poster saying that Ito's axel was cleaner. But I think the rink should have been bigger for Ito because Ito's jump covers more distance than Harding.
elisan693 4 years ago
Basically, Tonya is leaning over in the air. She isn't straight (not 180 degrees). She is lucky she landed it. The only thing that looks better is the brightness of the video. If you saw them both properly, you would see that Midori's is much better by far. She is the triple axel queen.
Scissorhands999 4 years ago
It looks here like Tonya's axel is actually a little "better"; however, Midori was able to manage the combo with a little more tenacity. I don't know anything about axises (axes? axii?) I just felt the axel looked cleaner coming from Tonya.
RedbeardNC 4 years ago
There's a whole montage of Midori's triple axels under the name of "Midori". Midori is the best at the triple axel - by far. I agree that Tonya's were always very "off axis" in the air, and she did land "stiff legged". I admire her though for going for the triple axel, when none of the other ladies were, but Midori's were all higher, faster and text book air position. She was the best !!!!!!!
Scissorhands999 4 years ago
your comments are very clear to the concept. We don't need other visual elements to describe Midori's axel, in comparison to Tonya's..... The video clearly demonstrates the differences in the type of skills required to get a superior jump. It proves that Midori is a natural athlete as well, as the strongest jumper yet.
elisan693 4 years ago
Midori so far has always displayed the BEST triple axel among the ladies in all time. She has the highest & biggest. Notice that every time Midori lands it, which was VERY often, it's so perfect, high, and straight. For Tonya, it's sloppy, tilted, barely making the combo in this clip. Today's girls...very fast rotation, sloppy landings, low, etc. Midori always had the better landing as well.
greggyPooP 4 years ago 2
WOW that's amazing!! I think Tonya is higher than midori, but... Midori's longer in distance!! SO... I preffer Midori's axcel!! I miss that kind of great jumper skater!! 1992 Olimpic Games... ROCKS!!
ggd210 4 years ago
I know that Tonya skated so much better than Nancy Kerrigan! Kerrigan fell and made so many mistakes in one program, and Tonya skated so much better, but they gave the higher marks to Nancy.
I wish someone couuld still sponsor Tonya and allow her to have a skating show. She has so much talent, and I wish her the very best!
acurseontrash 4 years ago
Midori is the best and highest jumper.
jkygogo 5 years ago 3
It's so amazing that nobody has replicated what these two did. Mao and Kimmie just do not have comparable quality.
visceraltuning 5 years ago
Tonya and Midori have lower points at presentation and artistic, and... Kimmie and Mao are just a little princes, very talented and high artistic also!! I like much more Mao, I wish for her the best!!
ggd210 4 years ago
Both Midori and Tonya's jumps are equally impressive- especially in contrast to those being completed now by today's ladies skaters. There's less cheating off the angle and they are fully rotated, but beyond that, these jumps have power and height. That none of the current ladies' skaters have this kind of power and speed is a sad commentary for the sport.
wildbrad 5 years ago
Amen! Haha, who would have thought that we would be fond of the "good ol' days" of jumps? Maybe some of the newer skaters will get stronger jumps before the next Olympics or something.
clemsongraduate 5 years ago
But who knows, I might be wrong, maybe they jump the same height, maybe Tonya jumps hgher, who knows.
I think Midori right now is the best jumper of all in Figure Skating.
jkygogo 5 years ago 2
definitly agree with that! she's amazing!
futurechampion2 5 years ago
I think Midori jumps higher. But you can't really tell from that video.
jkygogo 5 years ago
Tonya jumps higher off the ice while Midori is more graceful
electricalparade 5 years ago