The "humiliation" of William Lane Craig (Mirrored from Thunderf00t)

[darktango78]

"Douche" is with a "c". Just want to make sure Thunderf00t gets addressed appropriately ;)

[Wrath0fKhan]

Total humiliation.

[calmreason]

Have you seen the original WLC? Very worth watching.

[RationalRoundtable]

@calmreason

if you have the link to this particular WLC video I would love to see it.

[1tmoch]

Then this dingle berry has not read Gordon Clark, who examines most every philosopher in a book called "Thales to Dewey." 

[integralmath]

Much impressed by this, sir. Good on you.

[RationalRoundtable]

@integralmath

Hey, I try to be fair minded... even to those I disagree with.

[integralmath]

@RationalRoundtable I think everyone on yt with whom I've had aggressive encounters would generally agree with that about me. I'm severely critical when necessary, but not unfairly so.

[RationalRoundtable]

@integralmath

Fair enough... I disagree with you, but you know I respect you.

[integralmath]

@RationalRoundtable you think I'm unfairly critical of some people? Or that I'm unbalanced in how I address people? =^_^=

[RationalRoundtable]

@integralmath

I sometimes take issue with you using insulting language (we have talked about that before) and obviously I disagree with you as far as the existence of God, but I do think that you do your best to give both sides a fair hearing.

[WolfSyndrome]

LOL @ tags

[RationalRoundtable]

@WolfSyndrome

yes... I had to get my dig in at TF somehow....

[1GodOnlyOne]

This video is carefully edited to exclude Dr. Craig's arguments, and inexplicably, it criticizes Dr. Craig for not presenting an argument.

The entire video is a shameful exercise in the strawman logical fallacy, and you should be ashamed of yourself for mirroring this ignorant load of horse-shit.

I am unsubscribing from your silly channel now.

[bossman103]

@1GodOnlyOne michael mirrored this because he supporting frre speech

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 I unsubscribed because he mirrored this piece of crapola.

Theists should not support lying, immoral believers in atheist dogma in any way, especially not by mirroring their dishonest videos.

Are you unable to see that the very criticism that TF posits was carefully crafted by TF -- he edited Dr. Craig's arguments out of the video, then criticized Dr. Craig for supposedly failing to present arguments.

Do you know what a strawman logical fallacy is???

[BusinessIDBAI]

@1GodOnlyOne

Right, so if you disagree with someone, its perfectly acceptable to censor them.

[1GodOnlyOne]

@BusinessIDBAI You are incorrect about that, jackass, and removing stolen footage from a criminal's channel is NOT censorship.

Also, "someone" and "them" are in grammatical disagreement, you illiterate moron. One is singular, and the other is plural.

You are extremely stupid, in so many ways.

[darktango78]

@1GodOnlyOne "Also, 'someone' and 'them' are in grammatical disagreement, you illiterate moron. One is singular, and the other is plural"

Please google "singular they".

[BusinessIDBAI]

@1GodOnlyOne

lol, ever heard of a 'singular they'?

No, I guess you haven't. Which makes it all the more hilarious reading your comment about illiteracy. I guess this is what I can expect from someone who thinks censorship is a valid form of argument.

[bossman103]

@1GodOnlyOne Yes I know what a strawman is. Its misrepresenting someones position. I am not arguing thunderf00t is doing that. i actually dont think he is. However I would have to lsiten to boht those lectures. If dr criag wants to argue that he could do.

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 Yes, TF is indeed engaging in strawman logical fallacy, you idiot.

[bossman103]

@1GodOnlyOne How is he. Sorry show that he is?

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 Dr. William Lane Craig ALWAYS presents arguments to make his points, and anyone who knows his lectures and debates knows this to be the case.

Simply editing out Dr. Craig's valid arguments in order to complain that he presents no argument is a gross misrepresentation of Dr. Craig, and this is exactly what TF has done here.

[bossman103]

@1GodOnlyOne Thats still not strawmanning, strawmanning is taking a position a person does nto hold and saying they do. He showing that he is hypocritical. Icontext needs to be show for him to be a hypoctite. One may be where hes debating another philsopher who would know kant. TF doesnt not understnad this about public debates

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 He did not show that Craig is hypocritical -- he showed that TF is unable to understand simple logic, and also that TF has questionable ethical standards.

Criticizing someone for anything other than his actual argument is strawmanning, and this is exactly what buffoon TF is doing here.

OF COURSE WLC has arguments to back up his points -- he ALWAYS does!

[bossman103]

@1GodOnlyOne Craig said citing in lue of an arguement is bad then he doies that thats hypocrisy. Now I understand we did not understnad the context as I said he may havbe been bdebating a philosopherhowever he could of cited in which biooks so people could source the arguments theselves. I think thats always better whenever u source someone. In academics thats the way its supposed to work u say where someone saiod somethign so nif they didnt sy it please can show where u misread it.

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 Your post may not be true, but it is a very creative and imaginative approach to English.

[bossman103]

@1GodOnlyOne It is true in academics u cite ur sources. So people can go and look it up for the,mselves. For example if i reference shelia scroutins work i should say the book she said it in oand the page number where shelia scorutins talked aboiut the topic in question. THats how academics work

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 That's nice.

[Wrath0fKhan]

@1GodOnlyOne

"valid arguments"

Like what? Dropping a load of names or short quotes? Thats what usually is a part of his "debate strategy."

[1GodOnlyOne]

@bossman103 Failure to address one's opponent's actual argument in any criticism commits the logical fallacy known as a strawman, and this is exactly what TF is doing here.

The atheist likes to call this tactic "cherry picking," meaning carefully editing a speech on video or in text, excluding pertinent parts, with the sole aim of grossly misrepresenting one's opponent's position. This is also what TF is doing here.

This video is the biggest load of horse-shit on Youtube.

[1GodOnlyOne]

Preventing individuals of questionable morals from stealing other people's property is not censorship.

[integralmath]

@1GodOnlyOne welcome to fair use; it's not theft. =^_^=

[1GodOnlyOne]

@integralmath You are a complete and utter moron.

[integralmath]

@1GodOnlyOne true scholarship there on your part, sparky.

[darktango78]

@1GodOnlyOne In addition to googling "singular they" (in particular with respect to indeterminate gender), please also google "fair use" and "straw man fallacy" so you know what it actually is. While you're at it, also google "civility", something you could learn to emulate from Craig.

[RationalRoundtable]

@1GodOnlyOne

please read the description, I have strong objections to this video, however that being said TF's use of WLC's materials clearly fall under the 'fair use' clause of copyright law, under the banner of 'commentary or criticism'

[Yoelishkeit]

Hi, are you planning to make more videos yourself in the near future?

[RationalRoundtable]

@Yoelishkeit

as soon as I get a new computer... hopefully within a month