Btw libertarian socialists (a.k.a. anarcho-socialists) do exist as well, but this video is correct about the policies commonly associated with libertarianism. Though the whole thing about "states rights" is a bit misleading (understandably they are taking Ron Paul as reference), since libertarians also exist outside the United States.
I am a libertarian and I say burn all the flags you want. p.s. MORE libertarians need to get the message out that we are NOT conservative republicans. They just want our vote,the only freedom they care about is the freedom to create a right wing religous socialist America that is as bad as the left wing socialist! A FREE SOCIETY IS A FREE SOCIETY!!! Period.
@MaryStewart Average smart Christians don't get representation, because rare stupid Christians talk a lot louder and get more media attention. (Example: Salvation Army has over a million members, but never get an interview. Westboro Baptist Church has about ten members, and they're on every channel.)
i just have to... LOL LOL LOL. Ok now that i got that out of my system, That was so funny because i have conversations just like this with so many people.
actually libertarianism stems from classical liberalism; a time before the new deal ideology. It's more like a distant cousin of (and strong rival to) socialism, only instead of limiting the power of the free market, they limit the power of government. Calling a libertarian conservative is like calling an anarchist a fascist.
It doesn't stem from it, libertarianism stems from anarcho-communism. But you are right in the sense that most libertarians today are indeed classic liberals.
@chopseh Constitutionally speaking the states should have the decision whether or not abortion should be allowed. I personally think abortion is murder but the Constitution gives social issues to the state. So some states may be pro life while others will be pro choice. My beliefs are more effective by example and I have no right to force anyone to believe what I believe. In the some respect nobody has the right to force me to believe in what they believe. It's a two way street.
i live in texas and was a libertarian who supported paul - i was wrong you dont know a thing about the rbe and i dont have time to explain right now - maybe tonight
I love the statement at 3:55 It's one of the biggest things I support. I HATE standardized schooling. Standardized schooling in and of itself is socialism. If we allow schools to teach the way they want to teach, that encourages competition, the same way I believe in encouraging competition in all things.
look at norway = highest median income - number 1 in education- no poverty - free health care-9x more patents per capita - almost no crime-2nd in women elected (sweden1us66)- people live better in prison there than most of our lower middle class and poor - they refuse to send prisoners to the united states - not just because of the death penalty but because its in humane - we would all be better off with socialism - that said there's a better solution to our problems -the resource based economy
@MrIzzyDizzy Typical socialist thinks eutopia is real, why dont you do some research, when Norway runs out of oil they will be totally f*cked.......here ....why dont you read a little.....
@dangerzoneflorida yes anyone running out of oil is going tobe hurting - but thats only true if we dont convert to renewables 1st - i think they survive well enough and i also dont support socialism as the best system just better than capitalism - do ya catch that disney toys made in china by enslaved chinese orphans - this is the ultimate "free" market - ya see coke kill thier strikers - real progress there
@MrIzzyDizzy you are a sheep,you need to do your own reasearch and stoop regurgutating leftist taking points, listen to Ron Paul- Socialism in a Libertarian society vs Libertarianism in a Socialist society
The tea party took Ron Paul's message on liberty and turned into a bastardized, authoritarian pro-corporate oligarchy, mainstream stance of the religious right.
I don't consider Ron Paul as a tea party guy. That is just too confusing. He is in the libertarian wing of the Republican party and a Constitutionalist. He is the only Republican running who I would vote for in 2012 against Oh Bomb Ya.
She is not a Rothbard libertarian. It sounds like she is a Ron Paul Constitutionalist libertarian. I guess the tea party was taken over by the authoritarian wing of the Christian Right, because Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann certainly are associated with the deep, brown tea. Mostly Johny-come-lately whining cry babies who diserve having 100% of their Federal Reserve Notes taxed from them, because they would send DEA thugs to my state.
One minor disagreement though. Bill Maher seems to be more of a poser Libertarian. He supports certain big government policies. Maher got better after Ron Paul destroyed him on his own show, but he still is more of a Liberal than a Libertarian. I say this especially because he wholeheartedly supports Obamacare. Any true Libertarian hates Obamacare because it undermines state sovereignty. What are your thoughts?
@trevxd7 I agree. It's just that I don't get HBO, so I haven't heard much of what Bill Maher has had to say since his Politically Incorrect days on ABC.
@ShawnRavenfire I disagree about a true libertarian hating health insurance. Buying into the "Obamacare" label is a failure to discern the truth from Republican bullshit.
@donniegoodwin Whether it's Obama's heath care plan or whoever's is beside the point. I think the real distinction is between federally-run health insurance and all other forms. Certainly, no one here is hating ALL health insurance. I completely support the private insurance companies (so long as they aren't defrauding their clients), and I'm even open to the idea of state or local medical welfare programs. It's just the Federal Government where I draw the line.
He's a civil libertarian, it could be argued. Even more so than Ron Paul, who simply passes the buck to state tyranny on some issues, like drugs or gay marriage, instead of supporting total decriminalization. On these issues Bill Maher is far more pro-freedom than Ron Paul, and that's not even mentioning abortion.
The only thing position of Bill Maher that isn't civil libertarian is that he is pro-death penalty.
Most liberals are civil libertarians and far bigger than Ron Paul.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH No,the reason why Ron Paul wants to return the issues of gay marriage and drugs to the states is because he understand that the best way to protect liberty is to limit the federal gov.by strickly following the Constitution and the 10th Amendment of that document does not give the federal government the authority to regulate those two issues. As for Maher being more proliberty than Paul,you can't be proliberty if,like Maher you favor socialized medicine.
I disagree. The best way to protect your liberties is not to have a state or government at all. I think localizing governance is a great step towards anarchy, but if you're going to have a government it should serve to protect your freedoms (like choosing what to put into your own body) and should have any authority (especially not by democratic vote) to decide you can't have those liberties.
Also, I fail to see what healthcare had to do with civil libertarianism. That's a socio-economic issue and Maher is an economic social democrat.
I'm an anarchist from a country with public healthcare. I can tell you that's about the least of my worries. Let's start with re-establishing civil liberties first and not spending money on wars, corruption etc. Then we can argue whether economic socialism is a good or bad thing.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH If we are to have a government,Paul(and Jefferson)are right that the best government is one restrained by constitution. A return to constitutionalism would not only limit the federal government's authority to do socialism,marriage & drug laws,but it would also make it harder to wage war & destroy civil liberties. I don't see a difference. All of the above issues are about liberty & liberty over my healthcare is as important as the Patriot's Act,Iraq & corruption.
Also, again, we were talking about civil libertarianism, socialism is hardly relevant to this topic. If you want to discuss economics, that's fine, but my argument was for civil matters. It still stands, Bill Maher is openly more civil libertarian than Ron Paul. Bill Maher says 'if you are a guy, you can marry a dude and no one should be allowed to deny you that right', Ron Paul says 'we'll let the state decide whether you can have same-sex marriage'.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Actually, Ron Paul has stated that he doesn't think any level of government should interfere with marriage, but as a Constitutionalist, he knows that the Federal government cannot interfere with what laws states can pass, except in matters which are explicitly described in the Constitution.
I'm all for more localized governments, but they should never have the power to arbitrarily decide which civil liberties you can and can not have, which seems to be what Ron Paul is advocating.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Please explain just what opinion of Ron Paul has led you to the view that he is arbitrary regarding civil liberties? Because of all of the adjectives I can come up with to describe Ron Paul arbitrary is not one of them. So,one of us has an erroneous impression.
Drugs. If I'm not mistaking, he said that he would give the states the right to decide on this. That's a big step forward from the federal ban you have now on marijuana possession, but I still maintain that no state should be allowed to take any of your civil liberties, no mater how many times or by what majority they vote on it.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH He really is consistent with his views. It's kind of like Asomov's laws of robotics. 1) The Federal Government must follow the Constitution. 2) The Federal Government must allow states to be autonomous, except when doing so would violate the first law. 3) The Federal Goverment must protect the freedom of the people, except when doing so would violate the first two laws.
That is a nice analogy, seriously. Well, I would vote for him, or at least consider it, but I'm not from the US. But I wish you guys the best of luck.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH When the federal government passed alcohol prohibition years ago,a constitutional amendment was required because the 10th amendment did not give the federal government jurisdiction over alcohol. The same is true regarding drugs..state's rights rule here. President Paul(I love saying that) would have no authority to over rule state drug laws & he shouldn't do so because an out of control fed. gov't is more harmful to liberty than a state that is behaving badly.
But couldn't your constitution simply guarantee that no such drug laws shall be passed? It has been altered before, it's a nice document, but not perfect. For example, slavery, was not something considered to be against any civil liberty when the Constitution was written. It is now.
Amazing video! Thanks for this. I was laughing so hard at the neocon's confusion. I am a registered libertarian, and I believe that we can be much more principaled than we are now. One time, I was the only person in a crowded room who said that there should be no helmet laws. Everyone looked at me like I was a death lover or something. I said, "Why should the government control what I do with my own body? Worse, they get to collect money from me if I disobey!" Craziness!
A "super" conservative? LOL . The tea party isn't libertarian. The tea party is in general hypocritical and as ignorant as the ones they rail against.
@mrearlygold The FoxNews verions of the Tea Parties, maybe. But the original Tea Parties were very libertarian. The Republicans just used the media to highjack the popularity of the Tea Parties, without actually holding to any of their ideals. It's basically the same thing the Roman Empire did to Christianity, or what MTV did to rock and roll.
But I was following the activities of the '08 Ron Paul campaigns online long before the mainstream media got involved in covering the "Republican" Tea Parties orchestrated by FoxNews. So unless there was an anti-Obama rally sometime BEFORE the beginning of the '08 election season, I think it's safe to say they didn't start out as neoconservative protests.
@ShawnRavenfire I actually had this question addressed towards the other guy you were talking about. I have been to 1 tea party, and I have kept up with gthem for a while now. I can say that they are certainly not "neocon." The tea party that I attended felt libertarian if anything. Sarah Palin did speak, but so did Wayne Allyn Root and other Libertarians. No speaker ever glorified statist ideals that either the left and right love. Every speaker lambasted such policies.
Funny how libertarians dodge all hard questions by saying it's a state issue rather than a federal issue. That is a valid answer for a president candidate, but not for anyone else. How would a libertarian guvernor candidate answer those questions?
@AngeCord I don't think it's a "dodge" so much as the fact that distribution of power is the primary goal of libertarianism. But as for a Libertarian candidate running for state governor, I'd have to say that there is no set standard for the positions he should take on each issue. Ideally, a lot of these "hard" questions should be settled by popular vote.
@ShawnRavenfire Then why the straight answer on drug policy? Shouldn't that be solved localy, like abortion rights? I can see why people are confused about libertarians.
@AngeCord The difference between the drug issue and the abortion issue is this: If you use drugs, you are definitely making a decision which affects your own body, and nobody else's. And any interference would be an infringement upon freedom. If you have an abortion, you MAY be destroying the life of another human being, or it may just be an extension of your own body. We don't know the answer to that. So that falls into a gray area, and state and locals should figure out the gray areas.
I am a libertarian. The views are very clear Small Government. Do what you want just as long as you do not fuck up other peoples rights. Do you get that? is that hard to understand? Abortion should be legal but not funded by the government. Drugs should be legal. I would never have my gf get an abortion or do meth but i dont need the government to make those choices for me.
@MrAbolitionist True, there are non-religious/secular pro-lifers. But the most fundamental Libertarian principle is the priority of states' power to self-govern, with regard to the day-to-day issues, as opposed to Federal regulation.
This is exactly how all the Republicans are they always call Libertarians liberal and when they lose an election they blame Libertarians for not voting republican.
I know my dad is exactly like the Republican guy and calls me liberal or socialist because I don't hate gays, I want weed legal and I would rather live in Las Vegas over Neocon Florida.
OK, as a person having gone through the finnish elementary school system, which is considered the best in the world by PISA (I am excluding Shanghai's school system cause Shanghai is a city), I can say the Libertarians view on schools is twisted. There should be no failed schools. Every school should be the best. The best should be expexted from every school and funding should be based on the number if students.
@SepirothUltima If funding is based on the number of students, and parents pull their kids out of one school, so they can send them to a better school, then logically, the best schools would get the most funding.
As for every school being the "best," then who gets to decide what constitutes a better school. If left to the parents, they'll naturally judge the schools by which provide what is best for their students. But if left to the Government, there is uniformity, which inhibits innovation.
*rolls eyes* "Libertarians" are Republicans who smoke dope and want legal whores. They stole the Libertarian name from Anarchists (Libertarian-Socialists) in the 1950s and started their own stupid party in the 1970s. They always vote Republican. They're useless.
If you want a VERY VERY dumbed down way of looking at it it's like this. If Liberals are politically opposite of Conservatives than Libertarians are opposite of Socialists. That is to say, where as Socialists want more government control of things Libertarians want less. Libertarians vary differently on other political beliefs but for the most most part their core belief of Less Government is good is shared.
@ShawnRavenfire Otherwise this is a great video. It shows exactly how I feel when arguing with a Republican. Now you should make one with her arguing with a liberal. But anyway, if Bill Maher was at one time a Libertarian, he certainly isn't anymore.
Libertarian could also be classified as a classical liberal from colonial America. More closely aligned with paleoconservatives rather than neoconservatives.
At 5:30 "your anarchist." This term has been used by both sides for years to discredit the libertarian argument. Well from my point of view. I would rather have anarchy and take my chances with the wolves than be a subject of the state.
@Winterwolf00 I'd like to see a debate between Ann Raynd and the Rev. Sum Yung Moon, just for the laugh when the mainstream media tries to figure out which one to spin as a "liberal," and which one to spin as a "conservative." "A free-market capitalist atheist, and a religous Christian socialist? Argh!" (Head explodes.)
@libertytooth I remember trying before, went something like this: I'm a libertarian...you're a liberal? you mean you're a communist! ... no, I'm practically the opposite of that... oh, you're a republican? ....NO
@libertytooth One day my buddy was talking to his friend who is a far left democrat. She asked, "So what party do you belong to?" He responded that he is a Libertarian, and she blankly stared at him for a few seconds and responded, "Oh", and then she changed the subject.
@ Scalp340 Yeah how did they guy producing this get confused on that! scary.
Maher is a perfect example of a psuedo intellictual says just as crazy and misleading things as the ppl he makes fun of. and some how he ok with war now that 0bama is doing....shame
This really shows the small mindedness of the two party system.
It has been turned into a Red Team vs. Blue team sporting event. The problem is that the teams fans see the coaches as the leaders. They don't see the teams general managers, or even the team owners, so they think that they don't exist. The worst part is that they don't see that the teams are sponsored by the same shoe company...
Bill Maher is an F'ing Liberal...donated $1M to Obama, I hate him for that now.
MrMatrixRevolt 1 week ago
Libertarian is the only true direction we should go. It gets us the closest to TRUE FREEDOM, but not quite so far as anarchy!!
CDawn1964 3 weeks ago
So love this video.... As a libertarian, this video says it all about my discussions with mainstream Republican Christians. haha
Peace!
ChristianPantelism 1 month ago
Btw libertarian socialists (a.k.a. anarcho-socialists) do exist as well, but this video is correct about the policies commonly associated with libertarianism. Though the whole thing about "states rights" is a bit misleading (understandably they are taking Ron Paul as reference), since libertarians also exist outside the United States.
CoonAndFriends2 1 month ago
I am a libertarian and I say burn all the flags you want. p.s. MORE libertarians need to get the message out that we are NOT conservative republicans. They just want our vote,the only freedom they care about is the freedom to create a right wing religous socialist America that is as bad as the left wing socialist! A FREE SOCIETY IS A FREE SOCIETY!!! Period.
d67529 1 month ago 2
Do you watch MSNBC, CNN, or FOX news?
LOL
polarbearanne 1 month ago
Lol. Damn I may actually be a Libertarian.
TheClayPeopleAreHere 3 months ago 6
Bill Maher is not a libertarian. Not even close, he just likes drugs and hookers.
snopro54 3 months ago 3
AWESOME VIDEO! haha.... I know the feeling!
DavesFavVideos 3 months ago 4
watch?v=UDBYGXWMAOw
csmcmillion 3 months ago
god damn it feels good to be a Libertarian.
robcole24 3 months ago 6
Bill Maher is not a libertarian.
DarthKrattus 4 months ago
dumb republicans
DDTphoenix 4 months ago
i think that christian needs to be replaced with the average, smarter-than-a god-hater christian!
MaryStewart 4 months ago
@MaryStewart Average smart Christians don't get representation, because rare stupid Christians talk a lot louder and get more media attention. (Example: Salvation Army has over a million members, but never get an interview. Westboro Baptist Church has about ten members, and they're on every channel.)
ShawnRavenfire 4 months ago
i just have to... LOL LOL LOL. Ok now that i got that out of my system, That was so funny because i have conversations just like this with so many people.
jmjungkunz 4 months ago
actually libertarianism stems from classical liberalism; a time before the new deal ideology. It's more like a distant cousin of (and strong rival to) socialism, only instead of limiting the power of the free market, they limit the power of government. Calling a libertarian conservative is like calling an anarchist a fascist.
bulldog300 5 months ago
@bulldog300
It doesn't stem from it, libertarianism stems from anarcho-communism. But you are right in the sense that most libertarians today are indeed classic liberals.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
stupid neocons!
boghdan2000 5 months ago
Abortion should be legal in some states and illegal in others, that way we can force people to visit Iowa and increase tourism.
chopseh 5 months ago
@chopseh ...retard...
MaryStewart 4 months ago
@chopseh Constitutionally speaking the states should have the decision whether or not abortion should be allowed. I personally think abortion is murder but the Constitution gives social issues to the state. So some states may be pro life while others will be pro choice. My beliefs are more effective by example and I have no right to force anyone to believe what I believe. In the some respect nobody has the right to force me to believe in what they believe. It's a two way street.
ocpud2999 4 months ago 2
i live in texas and was a libertarian who supported paul - i was wrong you dont know a thing about the rbe and i dont have time to explain right now - maybe tonight
MrIzzyDizzy 5 months ago
At 2:55, she says that abortion should be a STATE decision?! Where the hell did THIS come from?!
BeauEvil 6 months ago 2
I love the statement at 3:55 It's one of the biggest things I support. I HATE standardized schooling. Standardized schooling in and of itself is socialism. If we allow schools to teach the way they want to teach, that encourages competition, the same way I believe in encouraging competition in all things.
kingzach74 6 months ago 2
the patriot act "bullshit" haha
21golden007 6 months ago
look at norway = highest median income - number 1 in education- no poverty - free health care-9x more patents per capita - almost no crime-2nd in women elected (sweden1us66)- people live better in prison there than most of our lower middle class and poor - they refuse to send prisoners to the united states - not just because of the death penalty but because its in humane - we would all be better off with socialism - that said there's a better solution to our problems -the resource based economy
MrIzzyDizzy 6 months ago
@MrIzzyDizzy Typical socialist thinks eutopia is real, why dont you do some research, when Norway runs out of oil they will be totally f*cked.......here ....why dont you read a little.....
dangerzoneflorida 5 months ago
@dangerzoneflorida yes anyone running out of oil is going tobe hurting - but thats only true if we dont convert to renewables 1st - i think they survive well enough and i also dont support socialism as the best system just better than capitalism - do ya catch that disney toys made in china by enslaved chinese orphans - this is the ultimate "free" market - ya see coke kill thier strikers - real progress there
MrIzzyDizzy 5 months ago
@MrIzzyDizzy you are a sheep,you need to do your own reasearch and stoop regurgutating leftist taking points, listen to Ron Paul- Socialism in a Libertarian society vs Libertarianism in a Socialist society
dangerzoneflorida 5 months ago
something wrong with being christian?
mcgge7 6 months ago
@mcgge7 No. Nothing is "wrong" with being Christian. It's just (supposed to be) irrelevant to U.S. politics.
BeauEvil 6 months ago 2
The tea party took Ron Paul's message on liberty and turned into a bastardized, authoritarian pro-corporate oligarchy, mainstream stance of the religious right.
upgrade01a 6 months ago
I don't consider Ron Paul as a tea party guy. That is just too confusing. He is in the libertarian wing of the Republican party and a Constitutionalist. He is the only Republican running who I would vote for in 2012 against Oh Bomb Ya.
upgrade01a 6 months ago
She is not a Rothbard libertarian. It sounds like she is a Ron Paul Constitutionalist libertarian. I guess the tea party was taken over by the authoritarian wing of the Christian Right, because Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann certainly are associated with the deep, brown tea. Mostly Johny-come-lately whining cry babies who diserve having 100% of their Federal Reserve Notes taxed from them, because they would send DEA thugs to my state.
upgrade01a 6 months ago
This video made me switch being a Republican to a Libertarian
albania614 7 months ago 20
"Then I assume you're for gun control." "No." "Shit."
PhunkMasterJ 7 months ago 17
State decision on abortion isn't a libertarian position. And the invisible, (murderous) hand of the market.
PereztiToaleay 7 months ago
One minor disagreement though. Bill Maher seems to be more of a poser Libertarian. He supports certain big government policies. Maher got better after Ron Paul destroyed him on his own show, but he still is more of a Liberal than a Libertarian. I say this especially because he wholeheartedly supports Obamacare. Any true Libertarian hates Obamacare because it undermines state sovereignty. What are your thoughts?
trevxd7 7 months ago
@trevxd7 I agree. It's just that I don't get HBO, so I haven't heard much of what Bill Maher has had to say since his Politically Incorrect days on ABC.
ShawnRavenfire 7 months ago
@ShawnRavenfire I disagree about a true libertarian hating health insurance. Buying into the "Obamacare" label is a failure to discern the truth from Republican bullshit.
donniegoodwin 7 months ago
@donniegoodwin Whether it's Obama's heath care plan or whoever's is beside the point. I think the real distinction is between federally-run health insurance and all other forms. Certainly, no one here is hating ALL health insurance. I completely support the private insurance companies (so long as they aren't defrauding their clients), and I'm even open to the idea of state or local medical welfare programs. It's just the Federal Government where I draw the line.
ShawnRavenfire 7 months ago
@trevxd7
He's a civil libertarian, it could be argued. Even more so than Ron Paul, who simply passes the buck to state tyranny on some issues, like drugs or gay marriage, instead of supporting total decriminalization. On these issues Bill Maher is far more pro-freedom than Ron Paul, and that's not even mentioning abortion.
The only thing position of Bill Maher that isn't civil libertarian is that he is pro-death penalty.
Most liberals are civil libertarians and far bigger than Ron Paul.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH No,the reason why Ron Paul wants to return the issues of gay marriage and drugs to the states is because he understand that the best way to protect liberty is to limit the federal gov.by strickly following the Constitution and the 10th Amendment of that document does not give the federal government the authority to regulate those two issues. As for Maher being more proliberty than Paul,you can't be proliberty if,like Maher you favor socialized medicine.
sleedolfine15 4 months ago
@sleedolfine15
I disagree. The best way to protect your liberties is not to have a state or government at all. I think localizing governance is a great step towards anarchy, but if you're going to have a government it should serve to protect your freedoms (like choosing what to put into your own body) and should have any authority (especially not by democratic vote) to decide you can't have those liberties.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@sleedolfine15
Also, I fail to see what healthcare had to do with civil libertarianism. That's a socio-economic issue and Maher is an economic social democrat.
I'm an anarchist from a country with public healthcare. I can tell you that's about the least of my worries. Let's start with re-establishing civil liberties first and not spending money on wars, corruption etc. Then we can argue whether economic socialism is a good or bad thing.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH If we are to have a government,Paul(and Jefferson)are right that the best government is one restrained by constitution. A return to constitutionalism would not only limit the federal government's authority to do socialism,marriage & drug laws,but it would also make it harder to wage war & destroy civil liberties. I don't see a difference. All of the above issues are about liberty & liberty over my healthcare is as important as the Patriot's Act,Iraq & corruption.
sleedolfine15 4 months ago
@sleedolfine15
No government should have power to tell you what you can't put in your own body, which consenting adult you can't marry etc. Not state or federal.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@sleedolfine15
Also, again, we were talking about civil libertarianism, socialism is hardly relevant to this topic. If you want to discuss economics, that's fine, but my argument was for civil matters. It still stands, Bill Maher is openly more civil libertarian than Ron Paul. Bill Maher says 'if you are a guy, you can marry a dude and no one should be allowed to deny you that right', Ron Paul says 'we'll let the state decide whether you can have same-sex marriage'.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Actually, Ron Paul has stated that he doesn't think any level of government should interfere with marriage, but as a Constitutionalist, he knows that the Federal government cannot interfere with what laws states can pass, except in matters which are explicitly described in the Constitution.
ShawnRavenfire 4 months ago
@ShawnRavenfire
"Ron Paul has stated that he doesn't think any level of government should interfere with marriage"
Then my information was wrong and I apologize.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@sleedolfine15
I'm all for more localized governments, but they should never have the power to arbitrarily decide which civil liberties you can and can not have, which seems to be what Ron Paul is advocating.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH or @sleedolfine15 Sorry, I think I accidentally deleted someone's comment. I'm not sure whose or which one.
ShawnRavenfire 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Please explain just what opinion of Ron Paul has led you to the view that he is arbitrary regarding civil liberties? Because of all of the adjectives I can come up with to describe Ron Paul arbitrary is not one of them. So,one of us has an erroneous impression.
sleedolfine15 4 months ago
@sleedolfine15
Drugs. If I'm not mistaking, he said that he would give the states the right to decide on this. That's a big step forward from the federal ban you have now on marijuana possession, but I still maintain that no state should be allowed to take any of your civil liberties, no mater how many times or by what majority they vote on it.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH He really is consistent with his views. It's kind of like Asomov's laws of robotics. 1) The Federal Government must follow the Constitution. 2) The Federal Government must allow states to be autonomous, except when doing so would violate the first law. 3) The Federal Goverment must protect the freedom of the people, except when doing so would violate the first two laws.
ShawnRavenfire 4 months ago
@ShawnRavenfire
That is a nice analogy, seriously. Well, I would vote for him, or at least consider it, but I'm not from the US. But I wish you guys the best of luck.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago 2
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH When the federal government passed alcohol prohibition years ago,a constitutional amendment was required because the 10th amendment did not give the federal government jurisdiction over alcohol. The same is true regarding drugs..state's rights rule here. President Paul(I love saying that) would have no authority to over rule state drug laws & he shouldn't do so because an out of control fed. gov't is more harmful to liberty than a state that is behaving badly.
sleedolfine15 4 months ago 3
@sleedolfine15
But couldn't your constitution simply guarantee that no such drug laws shall be passed? It has been altered before, it's a nice document, but not perfect. For example, slavery, was not something considered to be against any civil liberty when the Constitution was written. It is now.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH True. If the Federal Government wanted to pass an amendment to protect the right to use drugs, I would have no objection.
ShawnRavenfire 4 months ago
Amazing video! Thanks for this. I was laughing so hard at the neocon's confusion. I am a registered libertarian, and I believe that we can be much more principaled than we are now. One time, I was the only person in a crowded room who said that there should be no helmet laws. Everyone looked at me like I was a death lover or something. I said, "Why should the government control what I do with my own body? Worse, they get to collect money from me if I disobey!" Craziness!
trevxd7 7 months ago
A "super" conservative? LOL . The tea party isn't libertarian. The tea party is in general hypocritical and as ignorant as the ones they rail against.
mrearlygold 8 months ago
@mrearlygold The FoxNews verions of the Tea Parties, maybe. But the original Tea Parties were very libertarian. The Republicans just used the media to highjack the popularity of the Tea Parties, without actually holding to any of their ideals. It's basically the same thing the Roman Empire did to Christianity, or what MTV did to rock and roll.
ShawnRavenfire 8 months ago
@mrearlygold How many have you been to?
trevxd7 7 months ago
@trevxd7 Let's see..... None. :-p
But I was following the activities of the '08 Ron Paul campaigns online long before the mainstream media got involved in covering the "Republican" Tea Parties orchestrated by FoxNews. So unless there was an anti-Obama rally sometime BEFORE the beginning of the '08 election season, I think it's safe to say they didn't start out as neoconservative protests.
ShawnRavenfire 7 months ago
@ShawnRavenfire I actually had this question addressed towards the other guy you were talking about. I have been to 1 tea party, and I have kept up with gthem for a while now. I can say that they are certainly not "neocon." The tea party that I attended felt libertarian if anything. Sarah Palin did speak, but so did Wayne Allyn Root and other Libertarians. No speaker ever glorified statist ideals that either the left and right love. Every speaker lambasted such policies.
trevxd7 7 months ago
@trevxd7 Ah, I see that now. It gets so confusing the way the responses are layed out.
ShawnRavenfire 7 months ago
Funny how libertarians dodge all hard questions by saying it's a state issue rather than a federal issue. That is a valid answer for a president candidate, but not for anyone else. How would a libertarian guvernor candidate answer those questions?
AngeCord 8 months ago
@AngeCord I don't think it's a "dodge" so much as the fact that distribution of power is the primary goal of libertarianism. But as for a Libertarian candidate running for state governor, I'd have to say that there is no set standard for the positions he should take on each issue. Ideally, a lot of these "hard" questions should be settled by popular vote.
ShawnRavenfire 8 months ago
@ShawnRavenfire Then why the straight answer on drug policy? Shouldn't that be solved localy, like abortion rights? I can see why people are confused about libertarians.
AngeCord 8 months ago
@AngeCord The difference between the drug issue and the abortion issue is this: If you use drugs, you are definitely making a decision which affects your own body, and nobody else's. And any interference would be an infringement upon freedom. If you have an abortion, you MAY be destroying the life of another human being, or it may just be an extension of your own body. We don't know the answer to that. So that falls into a gray area, and state and locals should figure out the gray areas.
ShawnRavenfire 8 months ago 3
@ShawnRavenfire Mmmm... I think I get your point of view, (but brandonpaez69 do not agree with you).
AngeCord 8 months ago
@AngeCord
I am a libertarian. The views are very clear Small Government. Do what you want just as long as you do not fuck up other peoples rights. Do you get that? is that hard to understand? Abortion should be legal but not funded by the government. Drugs should be legal. I would never have my gf get an abortion or do meth but i dont need the government to make those choices for me.
brandonpaez69 8 months ago
Libertarianism is the only logical and sustainable form of government!
bsg1206 9 months ago 2
abortion violates the libertarian princi;ples of peace and non-aggression. you don't have to be Jerry Falwell to be pro-life :)
MrAbolitionist 9 months ago
@MrAbolitionist True, there are non-religious/secular pro-lifers. But the most fundamental Libertarian principle is the priority of states' power to self-govern, with regard to the day-to-day issues, as opposed to Federal regulation.
ShawnRavenfire 9 months ago
lol im a conservative and my friends a libertarian but the difference is im not an idiot
MrZcampbell48 9 months ago
This is exactly how all the Republicans are they always call Libertarians liberal and when they lose an election they blame Libertarians for not voting republican.
I know my dad is exactly like the Republican guy and calls me liberal or socialist because I don't hate gays, I want weed legal and I would rather live in Las Vegas over Neocon Florida.
skatepunkzero 10 months ago
OK, as a person having gone through the finnish elementary school system, which is considered the best in the world by PISA (I am excluding Shanghai's school system cause Shanghai is a city), I can say the Libertarians view on schools is twisted. There should be no failed schools. Every school should be the best. The best should be expexted from every school and funding should be based on the number if students.
SepirothUltima 10 months ago
@SepirothUltima If funding is based on the number of students, and parents pull their kids out of one school, so they can send them to a better school, then logically, the best schools would get the most funding.
As for every school being the "best," then who gets to decide what constitutes a better school. If left to the parents, they'll naturally judge the schools by which provide what is best for their students. But if left to the Government, there is uniformity, which inhibits innovation.
ShawnRavenfire 10 months ago
Lmfaooo
Frenchyification 10 months ago
*rolls eyes* "Libertarians" are Republicans who smoke dope and want legal whores. They stole the Libertarian name from Anarchists (Libertarian-Socialists) in the 1950s and started their own stupid party in the 1970s. They always vote Republican. They're useless.
moonshiny74 10 months ago
If you want a VERY VERY dumbed down way of looking at it it's like this. If Liberals are politically opposite of Conservatives than Libertarians are opposite of Socialists. That is to say, where as Socialists want more government control of things Libertarians want less. Libertarians vary differently on other political beliefs but for the most most part their core belief of Less Government is good is shared.
Jamez773 11 months ago 2
Bill Maher???? Seriously????
MrBlowies 11 months ago
Maybe she should've said what Howard Stern or John Stossel is.
sakonhagakure 1 year ago
Libertarians kick ass!!!!
Coteincdr 1 year ago
This was funny. lol
lemmelul 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Why would a person believe that their personal beliefs aren't important.
ConfederatePatriot 1 year ago
Why would a person believe that thier personal beliefs aren't important.
ConfederatePatriot 1 year ago
@ConfederatePatriot Important relative to the topic of discussion.
ShawnRavenfire 1 year ago 6
@ConfederatePatriot the key word is 'beliefs' as apposed to 'knowledge'
belief in a god or gods and the like is not solid grounds in politics.
personal beliefs are important, but not in law, a.k.a. libertarians are for freedom of religion.
ryan4144 1 year ago
Bill Mahr is NOT a Libertarian! He's a socialist, pos!
Leota99 1 year ago 4
@Leota99 I don't get HBO, so I haven't seen his show since he had Politically Incorrect on ABC.
ShawnRavenfire 1 year ago
@ShawnRavenfire Otherwise this is a great video. It shows exactly how I feel when arguing with a Republican. Now you should make one with her arguing with a liberal. But anyway, if Bill Maher was at one time a Libertarian, he certainly isn't anymore.
Leota99 1 year ago
@ShawnRavenfire for an example google Andrew Breitbart Nails Bill Maher: You're Not a Libertarian, You're a Socialist. It won't let me post the link.
Leota99 1 year ago
Libertarians are as Liberal as they are Conservative. They're Classical Liberals/ Liberal Conservatives.
YoungIvyScholar 1 year ago
@YoungIvyScholar Classical Liberals or (Real) Conservatives (as opposed to Neoconservatives that fill the Republican Party today)
Destroyer220 1 year ago
Made of win.
vspqbd 1 year ago
Libertarian could also be classified as a classical liberal from colonial America. More closely aligned with paleoconservatives rather than neoconservatives.
At 5:30 "your anarchist." This term has been used by both sides for years to discredit the libertarian argument. Well from my point of view. I would rather have anarchy and take my chances with the wolves than be a subject of the state.
ericlebo 1 year ago 4
Thumbs up if you'd like to see a debate between Socialist Bernie Sanders and Libertarian Ron Paul.
Winterwolf00 1 year ago 39
@Winterwolf00 I'd like to see a debate between Ann Raynd and the Rev. Sum Yung Moon, just for the laugh when the mainstream media tries to figure out which one to spin as a "liberal," and which one to spin as a "conservative." "A free-market capitalist atheist, and a religous Christian socialist? Argh!" (Head explodes.)
ShawnRavenfire 1 year ago 2
@ShawnRavenfire Correction. "Ayn Rand" (I knew the Y went somewhere.)
ShawnRavenfire 1 year ago
@Winterwolf00
Better still a debate between marxist obama and True American Freedom Fighter Dr Ron Paul!
mrearlygold 7 months ago
@mrearlygold Marxist obama? Really? If you think Obama is a marxist then you need to do a little research on marxism.
Winterwolf00 7 months ago
@Winterwolf00 Agreed. He's more of a Keynesian.
ShawnRavenfire 7 months ago
@Winterwolf00 socialist politicians are the best :) ... BERNIE SANDERS!!!!!!... BRIAN MOORE!!!
wildboy789789 7 months ago
man thats how just about all my arguments go when i try to explain what a libertarian is
libertytooth 1 year ago 25
@libertytooth I remember trying before, went something like this: I'm a libertarian...you're a liberal? you mean you're a communist! ... no, I'm practically the opposite of that... oh, you're a republican? ....NO
Norway2011 11 months ago
@Norway2011 almost exactly how they all go......
libertytooth 11 months ago
@libertytooth One day my buddy was talking to his friend who is a far left democrat. She asked, "So what party do you belong to?" He responded that he is a Libertarian, and she blankly stared at him for a few seconds and responded, "Oh", and then she changed the subject.
That's some funny stuff...
trevxd7 7 months ago
@ Scalp340 Yeah how did they guy producing this get confused on that! scary.
Maher is a perfect example of a psuedo intellictual says just as crazy and misleading things as the ppl he makes fun of. and some how he ok with war now that 0bama is doing....shame
KartChampion 1 year ago
This really shows the small mindedness of the two party system.
It has been turned into a Red Team vs. Blue team sporting event. The problem is that the teams fans see the coaches as the leaders. They don't see the teams general managers, or even the team owners, so they think that they don't exist. The worst part is that they don't see that the teams are sponsored by the same shoe company...
poopstreek 1 year ago 2
@poopstreek Perfectly said. :-)
ShawnRavenfire 1 year ago
go libertarian!
kasyapa 1 year ago 2
Bill maher is no libertarian!!! he is a liberal with a few republican traits. im a libertarian and i agree with the guy prob 35% of the time.
scalp340 1 year ago
Aw, I hope she doesn't really go away. lol I love the liberal atheist, but variety is always good. :)
ElasticGiraffe 1 year ago 2
great stuff.laughed my ass off.again.thumbs up and favorite n_n
geometrololi 1 year ago 3
lmfao @ the ending
MaestroMan999 1 year ago 3
YAY!
New character. But i have to admit that i'm rather confused as well.
Geminilion100 1 year ago 3