Jim Webb Responds Vigorously to False Personal Attacks

[tackN2Wind]

Webb makes me SICK! A traitor to America, and a shill for the communists overtaking our country

[daddymak9]

Jim Webb was a boxer in the Marine Corps. He would kick George Allen's ass. Webb is one mean hombre when pushed. That's why I wished he would have been tapped to be Barack Obama's runningmate. Imagine a debate between him and Sarah Palin?

[sargentontc]

I too agree that women should not be in combat arms. But they are courageous and have their place in the military.

[osmosis1988]

I'd love for Barack to pick Jim Webb but I'm scared the Republicans are going to attack him for an essay he wrote when he was in the Naval Academy called "Women Can't fight," they're gonna call him a sexist and that won't help us get those millions of Clinton supporters that we need. He survived those attacks in the Senate race but I'm not sure he'd survive them in a Presidential campaign.

[rakrobn]

I read the paper, and I agree with it for the most part, but unfortunately may hurt him in this P.C. bullshit society.

[rakrobn]

Of course, McCain has also called his wife a trollop and a cunt, so that doesn't help him with women.

[tweetypez]

Webb is very impressive and would be a wise choice for a running mate, but he can't take cheap shots like at (5:47) if he wants to be part of the Obama ticket, Obama doesn't go for that stuff. Political rookie mistake?

[babyfran05]

webb for vp. go forward webb.

[pitbull314]

Jim Webb is a fucking badass.

[JMoisica]

After watching a couple of "obama hates america videos", he's gotta pick Webb for VP to shut these people up

[lilevo84]

mark warner?? isnt it john warner? and hes in the republican senate?? just wondering. nice vid!

OBAMA/WEBB 08!!

[ReggieHolmquist]

There is a Repub John Warner in the Senate but this is Mark Warner in the video and he is a pretty gosh darn good Democratic Governor of Virginia.

I've gotta say he'd make a pretty darn good vp for Obama. Might I suggest you take a quick look at Webb[who is a great guy, BTW] and his political views and history. You may find that he is a bit more on the conservative side than you might like for someone who we may be putting on the ticket. OBAMA/WARNER 08

[osmosis1988]

Mark Warner is our former Governor who did an amazing job and is still extremely popular, John Warner is our senior Republican Senator who has done a horrible job and is retiring this year, Mark Warner is running for his Senate seat this year and will win.

[seetv569]

oh yeah, obama needs to tap this guy for VP...no doubt!

[joecitizan]

Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Why do people praise a War Criminal? She still funds a criminal enterprise like Iraq yet says discussions of Impeaching the original crime lords is off the table. She can stop funding the war just as EASILY.

Washington, D.C. Office - 235 Cannon HOB - Washington, DC 20515 - (202) 225-4965

Wear her down with your VOICE. Tell her you know the TRUTH and aren't buying her bullshit anymore. Call her the War Criminal she is!

[boyboy142]

Virginia is on fire right now. Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, and Jim Webb are amazing.

[BobbyClumsyNinja]

better Webb than Allan, Allan is a racist pinhead...good riddance.

[ottoskidoo]

this is how you answer a smear. imagine if kerry would have done this to the swift-boaters. webb won and deserved it.

[twon8]

once allen tried to criticize webb for fiction written about his time in war, he lost what little credibility he had. perhaps if allen had some imagination and literary skill or had served in the military he might have retained my support.

[vca2006]

Excellent. Hope these spoiled chickenhawk neocons like George Allen get handed their walking papers by the PEOPLE Tuesday. Go Jim Webb.

[OrcMando]

Webb is such a great guy. Allen... not so much. I'm voting for Jim Webb.

[MikePhoenix85239]

Is he running for the Senate or a Pulitzer? I can't tell for sure.

"The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy's penis in his mouth."

"Fogarty. . . watch[ed] a naked young stripper do the splits over a banana. ... cut in four equal sections by the muscles of her vagina."

Classy!

[televin]

no one died from his book ,thousands have died from the war Allen supports

[MikePhoenix85239]

You do realize that this is the same Webb who resigned as Reagan's Secretary of the Navy because he didn't think Reagan was hawkish enough? The fact remains that this speech was just silly.

[cpru1234]

you have all gone insane! this bastard publishes shit about pedefilia, sexual deviances against women etc....how in the world would you support a man like that?! he's a fucking bigot and pig! anyone read his words since 1978? read up and THEN and only then, make your vote.

[sidiggy1]

Just curious - have you actually read one of these books, or are you basing your opinion on what you have been told by someone else?

[hkl]

Just curious --

[] If CPRU1234 has indeed read Mr Webb's books,

or

[] If someone who has indeed read Mr Webb's books

[] expressed a similar opinion,

would you then have the courage to acknowledge the validity of those opinions? (Regardless of which candidate you choose to vote for.)

[sidiggy1]

I prefer to discuss ideas and opinions, not to make personal attacks. On what basis do you question my "courage to acknowledge the validity" of other people's opinions? I have not read the book. I am familiar enough with political spin (both sides) not to assume that what is said is true, or not divorced from context. I merely asked CPRU1234 his source - if he read the book, I will take his opinion seriously. If he is repeating what he heard on FOX News, that's a different animal.

[hkl]

I

[] Posing a question about your courage

is not necessarily the same things as

[] questioning your courage.

(Unless of course that very courage is questionable.)

II

> If he read the book, I will take his opinion seriously.

And that answers the question perfectly fine.

Thank you.

[rgbflawed]

Wait a minute, he's a Democrat but I like him. I feel strange inside.

[SuperKooter]

That god this man is going oust that racist bigot allen. Latest polls show Webb with a 4% lead on Maccaa.

[athena315]

Oh geez, can Mark Warner pls run for president, he's yummy

[jerice1119]

Jim Webb stfu and slice up a banana from your anal cavity and I 'might' vote for you. lmfao

[HNK222]

Have you noticed that no one can cite any accomplishments by Bush or the GOP? Every message board has dittoheads mindlessly spouting the same defense of Bush they were taught from radioh: Blame Clinton or Carter & pretend they were "horrible" while ignoring 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan New Orleans, outing a CIA NOC, crimes against the Geneva Conv., ending habeous corpus, intentionally lying to start an ideological war, spying on political opponents, etc. No one can defend Bush's record. No one!

[MarquisdeBarrabas]

Webb looks very good on this one (despite all the horn tooting).

[garygb1]

Like they said...

"Anything we don't write is SMUT" LOL

Please...for the sake of sanity- VOTE DEMOCRAT

[anasek]

Don't question my faith, and don't question my character."

Yet he has no qualms about falsly smearing George Allen as a racist. Great.

[Rohrbach]

Did you watch the video? He pointedly says that he passed on opportunities to do that. The only thing that his campaign has put out that implies that Allen is a racist is a video of Allen calling someone "Macaca".

[HNK222]

AND his college buddies said he used the N-word constantly, AND another friend said he got drunk and shoved a horsehead in a black guy's mailbox...

But, please continue. Tell us what a regular good-ole- Virginny-boy Allen is ... except that he's from California.

[sidiggy1]

I agree it was hypocritical to be indignant about character attacks, and then call Allen a racist (he did do that), but, Allen is a racist, so it was not a "false" smear. All of the objective evidence backs up this fact.

[hobo71]

The worst time ever The Carter Years -Let the Soviet Arms build up - Church's gutting of the CIA -Gave away the Panama Canal -Iranian Hostage Crisis -Let the fall of Shah of Iran and rise of the militant, Ayatollah -1st ex-pres to visit Cuba in 2002 -invited a Somalian rep warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid to his Carter Center -pardoned all draft dodgers -21% inflation rate -praise Fidel Castro, Kim Jong Il, Arafat and other anti-USA dictators who are atrocious human rights abusers

[ericcalderon2]

Oh, so your saying:"At least we are not as bad as those guys"? Wow, you would think that after controlling congress for the last 12 years and the presidency for the last 6 you would have a record to stand on.  Something that say's:" We've been honest in leadership and here is how we've improved your life." But no, your still trying to explain why you didn't help Katrina victims.

[MKB2814]

Yo're just a dunce. You had to go back a whole generation and then not point out the Nixon/Ford fiascos that went on too.

True, carter wasn't ready for the challenge, but he was the only president to establish peace between Egypt and Israel.

[hendlerman]

webb is what republicans could be

[hobo71]

Kerry was a big hero remember. Time for another Swift boat patrol

[MKB2814]

Nothing smacks more of dishonor and a contempt for decorated military servicemen than attacking a record. A real soldier would respect the officers' decisions to award medals earned in duty. That Swift Boat Patrol is the work of cowards and hypocrates.

[hobo71]

As an ex corpsman (medic from 69 to 72 I know for a fact no real hero would be bragging about there time in Nam The real ones do not talk about it

[encierro75]

Did You Know That Webb Is... 1) Pro-Gun 2) Against Affirmative Action 3) Hasn't Shook John Kerry's Hand in 20 Years Because Of Vietnam Protests 4) Says That White People Must Reassert Themselves In a Multicultural America and 5) Is Against Citizenship For Undocumented Workers?

[fishhead06]

Republicans engaging in a smear campaihn? I am speechless with shock.

[silvermandj]

great job jvf! keep up the good work. we're rooting for webb up here in nyc!!! we love you guys!

[aliunlimited]

he's not modest but that's the only way to get those Republicans to shutup

[hkl]

Republicans must be so dumb if they have yet to send ethnic minorities of every skin colour and every religion to stalk Mr Webb--get in his face 24/7, annoy him relentlessly until he says something unflattering to the stalker or kick the stalker out of the hall . . .

Then he and his campaign can be accused of racism.

[MKB2814]

So Republicans are crying that they can't call Webb a racist? The GOP constantly hounds their opponents, take the sound bites out of context, and attack misstatements too.

The problem seems to be that the GOP hates when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine.

[hkl]

If you think I have particular sympathies for Elephants, then you are barking at the wrong tree.

The point is exactly as written:

If it is

[] acceptable--because it's effective--

[] for one side to relentlessly provoke until a reaction is obtained

[] and describe the reaction as racism

then it should be as acceptable for the method to be applied the other way around.

. . .

[hkl]

That is, Mr Webb's camp sent one to Mr Allen's. Thus the lost opportunity if the latter doesn't do the same to the former.

As you said, "giving someone a taste of his own medicine"--back and forth and back again.

[MKB2814]

I apologize for any assumption of sympathies for Elephants. I see your point on utilitarian application. Allen's campaign did send people to Webb's rallies too for exactly the same thing. It may work, but as a competitive political tactic I don't like it on principle. That's why I don't think I'll ever enter politics for election.

[hkl]

No offence taken; apology cordially accepted nonetheless.

Indeed neither side has monopoly on the "creative" method. Nor is it ideal.

1 And once both sides utilise it, it nearly becomes irrelevant which one did it first. (Someone even tried it on Mr Obama. Some female gubernatorial candidate did, too--but blocked attempts by the other camp to give her a taste of her own medicine.)

2 Nor are the slips obtained justification for the choice to use the method in the first place.

. . .

[hkl]

What America needs most is intelligent principled voters.

It is when there aren't enough of them that unintelligent unprincipled politicians get elected.

[MKB2814]

In a perfect world, I agree. There's also that saying by Churchill about democracy's limited qualities as a system, but that it's still the most favorable of all systems. Although I prefer Bismark's analogy to politics and sausage.

[hkl]

Yes--

[] democracy

[] capitalism

[] America

are "the worst . . . until one examines the alternatives."

Bismark's referred to the drafting of laws.

To apply his observation to desperate depraved electoral tactics would be a disservice to both the man and the ideals of democracy.

Which brings us full circle to ideals and democracy.

[MKB2814]

My mistake on Bismark, it's been awhile since poli sci. As for the triumviate of Democracy, capitalism, and America, there should be an addendum. Capitalistic practice produces an inherent competition of goods and services to service the pleasure of the consumer. Yet to provide no oversight or controls on pure capitalism, a business or corporation will act in such a way to eliminate competition for it's product. Once elimation occurs, the quality is dictated solely by the monopoly.

[MKB2814]

As for ideals and democracy, it would be difficult to attain a universal code for ideals and absolute agreement or concensus on application. I may not agree with the specifics of a certain religion, but the ideals integral to that subject vary according to many factors. It appears that most election procedures take a Macchiavelian approach of catering to a wide range of self interest. (this is far too heady for a comment on the Allen/Webb race)

[MKB2814]

Unfortuneately, Americans have historically tended to be unattracted to outwardly intelligent candidates (Wilson for historical example) in favor of someone who plays it down or spins it into short slogans. Granted, both parties have masters of slander and it is probably linked to a game of chance. The political exploitation of 9/11 could be a text in itself of standard use of unprincipled tactics. You could certainly review other instances of American history where this method is employed.

[hkl]

True. I Possibly because inspiration by its very nature is a matter of [] general direction (leadership) rather than [] detailed policy (intellectual persuasion). II Despicable political exploitation [] of mass-slaughter [] (9/11 by elephants, Young Mr Sheehan by donkeys) and [] of sexual perversion [] (Studds, Foley et al for homo; Kennedy et al for hetero) (notwithstanding its effectiveness as mud-substitute).

[sidiggy1]

hkl - "something unflattering"? If he was not being racist, why didn't he just call him "whatshisname," or "John"? Who, but a racist, pulls "macaca" out of his ass? And, do do you really doubt that Republicans also send people to watch their opponents speeches, and record them? Or is your beef that Webb hired a minority?

[hkl]

Again, the point is exactly as written: as MKB2814 said, "a taste of his own medicine"--both ways.

Re-read as many times as needed until you get it. Don't be distracted by issues you have inside but which were never addressed in the post.

[sidiggy1]

Do you honestly think sending someone to videotape public appearances on the campaign trail is "relentless provocation"? And that such "relentless provocation" excuses racism? You, my friend, are the one who does not appear to "get it."

[hkl]

Try a few more times--re-read and re-read. Don't give up until you get the point, and only the point put forward.

Just remember: do not be distracted by anything not written. Do not react to what bothers you inside.

Keep in mind: I am not the voice inside your head. I am the one who wrote what was posted, so limit your reaction to its points, nothing else.

[sidiggy1]

I was responding directly to your points - I even quoted them. You, my friend, are the one who appears to need reading comprehension lessions. I am now done debating with you, as their really is no point.

[MKB2814]

I preface this with the idea that I am voting all Democrat this election. Allen was portrayed as a racist and there is proof available of actions seen as racist. There were also arguments that Webb used the "N-word" once or twice and Allen's campaign also tried to portray Webb as misogynistic based on an opinion piece he wrote nearly 30 years ago. Webb countered and succeeded.

[MKB2814]

It's kind of like a fucked up chess game combined with poker.

[hkl]

Try yet again. Don't give up.

MKB2814 managed it. With enough attempts, effort and self-control, you too just might be able to do the same.

Good luck.

[morsosky]

real virginians are voting webb; im republican but voting webb bc I dont stand for racism and neither should you

[i8thelastcookie]

this Web guy is a total perv! he writes porno books.

[simplyno]

i guess the majority of american men that watch porn are perverts too.

[MKB2814]

You're wrong as well as illiterate.

[weemama]

Viet Nam was obscene - he just described it.

[prass7]

allen is bush's puke

[getplaning]

Hannity supports Allen, who fought in a civil war movie, over Webb, who served America in a real war.

[MKB2814]

Hannity and Allen have something in common then. They're both in the chickenhawk coup. Not to mention douche bags!

[dwyerbiz]

Webb has my vote. No racist like Allen will ever get my vote.

[HiveMindAlpha]

If Virginia elects Macaca Allen I am embarrassed for them.