poor pilots and techs that died.. god rest them... Our Seaking Helios here in Canada are in the same boat.. it's scary and everyone who is local on either coast of canada that sees they flying on a normal basis we cringeand pray that the crews don't get killed or hurt. governments need to get off their asses and replace the aging fleets in both GB and Canada.
Can somebody explain what GOP Colorado Senator Wayne Allard was doing on BBC television putting the boot in to Nimrod MRA4, when in the US he is known as, " the Invisible Man ", ? The MRA4 has been cancelled, no doubt in part due to the efforts of Mr Allard and it is inevitable that US military and US civilian lives will be more at risk now, than they would have been had the MRA4 been placed in to service. What if London gets nuked because the RAF doesn't have the MRA4, what will Allard say ?
The basic airframes are more than 40yrs old Comets....when I served in the RAF in the 70s there was great concern about this 'add-on' conversion for even then an old aircraft......Political expediencies and lack of public support for a proper Defence Budget over the last 25 years is at the heart of this situation...and the coming Defence Cuts will bring about further accidents and deaths.....and a lessening of our Forces capabilities.....Aircraft Carriers without aircraft for upto 9 years???
regardless of which model number it is, surely the issue is that the planes are fuct n they need replacing or updating. Looks like we've left ourselves a weapons gap by continuing with something that needed to be replaced a good 15 years ago. Where's the research into a new plane?
4:10. This video is a load of crap they know nothing. Thats a nimrod MR2! MRA4 is clearly different, a five year old could spot that... A lack of research.
This type of sensationalist media coverage really pisses me off. They could at least get all the facts right for a start:
2:03-2:15 Absolute bollocks, most Nimrod pilots who decide to leave feel they have come to the end of their RAF service, and choose to move on to civilian pilot jobs where the moeny & shifts patterns are much better.
4:10 That's not an MRA4 it's an MR2, that just shows a basic lack of proper research
NOT sensationalist, don't know your background, but I was privileged to spend over 400 hours on the Nimrod, me as a groundpounder, working in intelligence. Glen Torpy 'spit' came under my wing whilst being taught reconnaissance techniques flying the Jaguar. He is symtomatic of what is wrong with the Royal Air Force. So called 'fast jet mates' rule the roost. Glen Torpy, Jock Stirrup, look in the mirror, some of us know who you really care about, you are wasters. James B
Just to clarify, Jock Stirrup also came uder my wing at Wittering. Always begged the question with me and my peers, how the hell has this waste of space progressed so far, so quickly? Answer...fast jet mate.... talent has nothing to do with anything.
after that rail disaster, corporate manslaughter charges were made law. this should be considered in this case, and the XV 179 crash (c 130 which was not fitted with fire suppressant). It seems people are being killed by this ineptitude and if someone were made to face the consequences, it might make a difference for the next lot who will get killed by sub standard equipment.
I served on Nimrods at Kinloss from 94-99 and even then we were taking parts from old 'moth balled' aircraft to keep others running. Lets hope the government start putting some serious money into the armed forces before it's too late.
poor pilots and techs that died.. god rest them... Our Seaking Helios here in Canada are in the same boat.. it's scary and everyone who is local on either coast of canada that sees they flying on a normal basis we cringeand pray that the crews don't get killed or hurt. governments need to get off their asses and replace the aging fleets in both GB and Canada.
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Can somebody explain what GOP Colorado Senator Wayne Allard was doing on BBC television putting the boot in to Nimrod MRA4, when in the US he is known as, " the Invisible Man ", ? The MRA4 has been cancelled, no doubt in part due to the efforts of Mr Allard and it is inevitable that US military and US civilian lives will be more at risk now, than they would have been had the MRA4 been placed in to service. What if London gets nuked because the RAF doesn't have the MRA4, what will Allard say ?
adrianwainer 1 year ago
The basic airframes are more than 40yrs old Comets....when I served in the RAF in the 70s there was great concern about this 'add-on' conversion for even then an old aircraft......Political expediencies and lack of public support for a proper Defence Budget over the last 25 years is at the heart of this situation...and the coming Defence Cuts will bring about further accidents and deaths.....and a lessening of our Forces capabilities.....Aircraft Carriers without aircraft for upto 9 years???
macbrack04 1 year ago
regardless of which model number it is, surely the issue is that the planes are fuct n they need replacing or updating. Looks like we've left ourselves a weapons gap by continuing with something that needed to be replaced a good 15 years ago. Where's the research into a new plane?
beardization 1 year ago
4:10. This video is a load of crap they know nothing. Thats a nimrod MR2! MRA4 is clearly different, a five year old could spot that... A lack of research.
Sean4541 2 years ago
Tax the rich more & they will have plenty of money for new stuff.
core1976scotland 2 years ago
RIP< I new quite a lot of the guys.
Azathespaz6666 2 years ago
Sorry to hear that. A terrible tragedy indeed, though I'd still like to join the RAF.
Darbyjack 2 years ago
Good on you :). Nice to see it still appeals to some.
Azathespaz6666 2 years ago
to be honest i think the nimrod was due for replacement well before my time
1582atc 3 years ago 4
This type of sensationalist media coverage really pisses me off. They could at least get all the facts right for a start:
2:03-2:15 Absolute bollocks, most Nimrod pilots who decide to leave feel they have come to the end of their RAF service, and choose to move on to civilian pilot jobs where the moeny & shifts patterns are much better.
4:10 That's not an MRA4 it's an MR2, that just shows a basic lack of proper research
Tragic accident none the less.
RIP 120 Sqn Crew 3
redreligion 3 years ago 11
@redreligion
NOT sensationalist, don't know your background, but I was privileged to spend over 400 hours on the Nimrod, me as a groundpounder, working in intelligence. Glen Torpy 'spit' came under my wing whilst being taught reconnaissance techniques flying the Jaguar. He is symtomatic of what is wrong with the Royal Air Force. So called 'fast jet mates' rule the roost. Glen Torpy, Jock Stirrup, look in the mirror, some of us know who you really care about, you are wasters. James B
jbclassic2 1 year ago
@jbclassic2
Just to clarify, Jock Stirrup also came uder my wing at Wittering. Always begged the question with me and my peers, how the hell has this waste of space progressed so far, so quickly? Answer...fast jet mate.... talent has nothing to do with anything.
jbclassic2 1 year ago
after that rail disaster, corporate manslaughter charges were made law. this should be considered in this case, and the XV 179 crash (c 130 which was not fitted with fire suppressant). It seems people are being killed by this ineptitude and if someone were made to face the consequences, it might make a difference for the next lot who will get killed by sub standard equipment.
ir5ac 3 years ago
I served on Nimrods at Kinloss from 94-99 and even then we were taking parts from old 'moth balled' aircraft to keep others running. Lets hope the government start putting some serious money into the armed forces before it's too late.
ALIXCM 4 years ago 2
Yup and they are still doing it today. i suppose you know that if the Goverment ordered 25 airframes they would have got shiny new one's?
EDS01475634763 3 years ago
I agree , get them new planes asap!
Robmatheson 4 years ago
Planes? UAV's are the future.
MokomaSusi 4 years ago
But sucks the life and fun out of flying.
Darbyjack 2 years ago
When will this british govt stop treating our boys so bad?
darbsxoxoxo 4 years ago 2