The Doctor flying this Mercy Mission didn't have Bush Pilot Training. No overloaded. He pulled up too much elevator and too much right rudder. He Over controlled to the right and pulled out of ground effect, and stalled. Those Pull Ups then stalls happens a lot on USA too.
Only way to avoid stalling at 60 feet was pushing flaps to 30 and pushing nose down to do MCA flying at 50 feet until pick up speed for a 10 deg. flap Vx.
But this Doctor could not do it and kept nose up, HE WAS NOT TRAINED
It looks as though he did a soft field takeoff incorrectly. You're supposed to lift the plane off of the ground as soon as possible (around40-45 kts) and then immediately pitch down again to build airspeed, which he didn't do. The plane only flies at 40-45kts in ground effect, once it climbs higher, it'll have trouble climbing/stall. The fact that it looks like the plane was overloaded and that he yawed to the right immediately after takeoff didn't help. That's my take on it at least
As someone else observed, it's a 182 and may not have been overloaded. However, it appears that the pilot was either un-licensed or drastically distracted at a critical time since he just doesn't fly the airplane. He lifts off in a side slip and doesn't seem to know how to regain control.
@1mnmfan overload, the max wheight that this airplain can suport is 2550 pounds app(basic airplain weight plus fuel, passenger and baggage)clearly exceeded that weight. Pilot's fault
planes have a weight limit predicated on runway length as well as structure. overload it, especialaly on a hot day (thinner air, and you can be signing your won death warrant.
he got off the ground in 'ground effect - which extends up about the length of the wings.
Then it stalled (wings stop flying, sometimes only one, and its all over - especially on a dirt field with obstrucitons
You Sir, are a complete Jerk and Racist Areshole who should be put down at the earliest opportunity. You offer Nothing to society and so need to be erased asap.Amen.
I've seen this clip a thousand times and people keep saying that the aircraft is a Cessna 172. It is a 182 because of the cowl flaps and the sound of the engine. I any event, he was overloaded beyond the aircrafts capability. Sad thing to watch indeed.
Pilot never countered the crosswind, and might not have given enough rudder to compensate on the first place.
Pilot sees he is about to fall off the runway, and pulls it up in panic. Due to still being in the ground effect, planes does take off. Pilot pulls the nose up even more to dodge the crowd, which means its airspeed probably dropped even lower.
Once he got out of the ground effect, it was an immediate stall and crash.
What happened: The plane was not too overloaded...
1. The pilot did not counteract the crosswinds on takeoff properly. Note how much the plane veers off of the original course.
2. The pilot had the flaps lowered to a point where there was more drag than extra lift. It is recommended to only use 20 degrees flaps on takeoff in a Cessna.
3. The pilot tried to climb by pulling up more, not releasing the flaps.
@PenorBethith You NEVER release what flaps you have when that close to the ground. He was behind what is called the power curve. High Density Altitude and probably loaded to gross if not more. Pitch forward.
@lovemyrinker Actually, raising could have possibly saved them, along with pitching down. It looks like the pilot tried to gain altitude before attempting to recover, increasing angle of attack to and past the point of a stall. What raising the flaps would've done was remove excess drag in exchange for the slight amount of extra lift, thus letting him gain speed. Raising the flaps saved c-141 tail number 64-0614. I'm a student pilot but I haven't learned much about the power curve yet.
I'm not even a pilot (only played quite a bit of flight simulator) yet even I can point out mistakes the pilot made. Perhaps the plane was a bit overloaded, but that probably wouldn't have caused the crash if handled carefully. The flaps look way too angled downwards... yet still he tried to pull up too quickly before the plane gained speed. Once slightly airborne he lifted the nose MORE to try gain altitude... bad move with flaps and velocity like that -> he then stalled. Bad flying, sad clip !
If that O2 bottle ruptured, it's lights out for everyone. Yes heavy behind CG....full seating plus O2 bottle down the middle....Doesn't math count for anything....???
Does anyone know what sort of contraption is in the cabin behind the PIC's seat? It looks like bottles of oxygen. I could be mistaken. But it looks heavy!
i'm really impressed as how that airplane was able to lift off the ground, considering we are talking about somewhere near cali, which is supossedly 950 ish meters over mean sea level (about 4000 ft), and with overweight . We are talking about 5 PEOPLE and A OXYGEN TANK... there's no doubt in my mind that airplane was overweight.
Leaving all that aside, the pilot clearly spoils the little or almost unexistent lift he had by crabbing the airplane... an accident that should be easy to avoid.
He was using too much flap and never gained enough speed to escape ground effect. Short field requires flaps 10, Vx before rotation then Vy after clearing all obstacles. Serious pilot error
what is this guys problem!! V1 would have been abtained way after Vr and V2... definitely should not have ever been flying!! A cessna has a very large lift to weight ratio so he should have atleast let that poor plane gain some speed before rotation at like 40 kts :S
Not true, I use 20 degrees all the time, it's part of the soft field t/o proceedure to begin with (comment below). And yes, based on the elevator position on t/o, the cg was not aft, the dumbshit just pulled off the runway too soon, then didn't keep his nose down to accelarate. But I bet he was out of MGW to begin with.
He was using to much flap. The plane could not gain speed, especially being over loaded. Never use more than 10 degrees of flaps during a takeoff under any circumstances. I really couldn't tell how much he was using but it looked like at least 20 degrees. If you are going to attempt something this stupid the plane should use all available runway and keep it on the ground until a solid rotation speed is acheived. He pulled it off the ground and floated in ground effect. sinceless trajedy.
Upon many reviews, it is apparent that it was not an aft cg by observing the elevator position as it flys by. It clearly showed poor ruuder use in that he swerves off the runway as soon as he lifts the nose. Which was early as he still has a lot of runway left. At this point however he continues when he should have aborted. The crowd may have been a factor to his pulling it up as he was about to start chopping burger! As noted, he never gained enough speed to climb out of ground effect.
@ConvairDart106 I am just a student pilot, only 11.1 hrs so far but all in a 172R, so comparable aircraft but not exactly the same. In the machine I fly right rudder deflection is almost full on takeoff so I was personally wondering how he floated so drastically right after takeoff. Always, if I get it a bit wrong at takeoff it floats left.
@Bladod Not being there ourselves, makes it harder to pin down however, he may have had a little left crosswind OR, he may have been applying too much right rudder to offset the p-factor. It does look like a difficult view over the nose as he keeps the tail down the entire time. Looks to me like he was trying a short and soft takeoff with high density altitude to contend with which could easily have made him overweight if that were a factor.
@Bladod Hi Bladod. Been north fishing. You probably have a few more hours in now and have practiced crosswind take off and landings. Gusty winds and even moderate crosswinds demand proper use of rudder. Yes, normally you hold right rudder to offset P-factor. However, with a stiff left crosswind, P-factor can be eliminated altogether and actually demand stiff left rudder. I recall this from my student pilot days when taxiing out from behind a hangar only to weathervane 90 degrees LEFT in the wind
i'm willing to bet that its not overloaded....it looks like the cg is to far aft of its limits...u can see as soon as he takes off he doesn't have enough pitch down to counter the pitch up of the aircraft, so it stalls and it is impossible to recover...bummer
this had NOTHING to do with the lady touching the pedals, even if she was to apply full oposite rotor, the plane could still take off, is very simply a fatal mistake on the pilot, plane not only overloaded but also way B/cg this guy killed these people, defenitely tail heavy, you can see the heavy 6ft oxigen tank going fron the back seat all the way to the back of the plane, not to mantion they already had 4 people there, Sorry that he died, but he didnt need to take the other three with him!
@MrPorscheracer I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the lady jabbing the left rudder. Yeah an overweight/aft of cg 172 might be able to take off in a full crab but once it gets out of ground effect i seriously doubt it can maintain Vs with all of that drag. It looks like the plane completely veers of the runway. There's no way the pilot would intentionally leave that much runway. I wish i could read the n number to do a little research
theres a reason why the aircrafts has a handbook, and a section about weight and balance. i'd be suprised if that 172 even had a airworthiness certificate.
Actually, at the beginning of the video you can hear the pilot saying to the lady (the one crying) "no me vas a tocar los pedales para nada" which means YOU SOULD NOT TOCH THE PEDDALS AT ALL. My guess is that the women got scare during takeoff and push with her fits on the left ruder pedal, and the pilot couldn’t take her fits of the pedal on time.
@EstebanCRC - I agree. I think the woman panicked and touched the pedals and as a result the pilot could not gain control - probably trying to fight it, etc. So this passanger should have been in the back seat. This is a disturbing video to watch.
We pilots need to play by the rules outlined in the POH. Yes, EVEN WHEN we are told that staying grouned could cost someone their life. I would be willing to bet that someone was under a lot of pressure to attempt this life flight. I don't like to pass judgement on other pilots because I've made a couple of mistakes myself that I'll never do again. Some of us have lived to talk about it. This guy wasn't so lucky
stall.......he took off so early and did a bad weight and balance......besides when he took off the airplane wasnot getting any wind from one side...the pilot son studies witn me.:(
This crash was maybe over gross, but probably too much flaps, climbed out of ground effect without enough air speed, and maybe high density altitude. I made a 20K tailwind T/O once pulling a glider with 2 pax in glider and 1 pax with me in a C-182. I had to stay in ground effect for about five miles until I got enough speed (85 mph) to climb out. Scared my pax. Glider pilot stayed on and later said, "He thought he'd just crash where I did."
you can see plane crashed because pitch was not fully forward look at the blades of the prop as it goes past the pitch is set fine----plane will not fly in this config.
an incipient stall set in right away as he rotated and side-slipped the aircraft, probably from "Panic Reaction" rudder input, upon realizing an immediate Unusual Attitude just after Vr. yeah, from what everyone's saying, and the Video Evidence, clearly seen here,as the cabin was Piled full of People and Equipment, it's doubtful this Pilot was "on his game" as far as being Weight/Balance" savvy. real shame. killed a couple folks i understand.
I'm not 100% sure,and please correct me if I'm wrong,but my thought was that a 172 has only 1 landing light,and a 182 has 2,as in the aircraft in this video...? After I watched it 100's X,I'm going for a weight and balance wrong offset,wich caused a important angle of attack and a turbulence on the upperside of the wing (extrados),wich led to a beginning stall. A crosswind and there you go...remains the question:why on full flaps..????
Certainly looks like a 182. Should have easily carried the passengers but we don't know what the baggage was. Looks VERY crowded when they're loading. I'm thinking aft CG and DA issues. I'd bet money homeboy didn't give his weight & balance a second thought.
ArizonaDesertPiper; you're right on. Overloaded and aft C/G to boot. Look at how the main gear is flexing. Also, did you notice the flaps? They're down making all kinds of drag-this boob didn't have a chance.
@2speaker That is EXACTLY what my first reaction was. If this is a 182 then it has more than enough power to handle that load. I just flew a 182 today with full fuel and 4 passengers, 2 heavyset guys, and it had no problems. It sure does seem like there is a BIG tail wind hurting him... Tragic to forget the wind when in a hurry to get going...
carlsheritt: I doubt if this would have help. It appears that the plane was overloaded and seriously out of CG. Plus I suspect, based on the location, DA may have been an issue..
Didn't you know bro?Every kid with a flight sim program and a YouTube account was meritously awarded their PPL...CPLs will be issued upon the completion of 100hrs of stupid comments on YT.
Plane lifts off in a slip creating excess drag. Flying in a coordinated manner and lowering the nose would allow the aircraft to gain additional airspeed and be better able to climb. The pilot allowed the aircraft to get behind the power curve and did not correct.
This take of was in Columbia (real shitty version of the FAA) but could have been anywhere really. Pilots accumulate hours and suddenly become invincible, 10 feet tall and bulletproof. I really doubt if this pilot has done a weights and balances in a long time. BTW,This is a C172 not a 182 - ya can't hear a constant speed prop. The 182 has alot more balls. as far as the flaps, I hate to second guess dead pilots but this might be his attempt at a short field takeoff. Who knows. Fly safe. Regards.
dude I speak spanish, and the pilot told to the black girl to don't push the pedals, and because of her son she was crying so she didn't controll herself so she started pushing the pedals.
All that would have done, is make the plane crab / yaw. It would not have taken the plane down, straight like it did. He didn't have enough lift or enough speed. This was because he had too much weight and it wasn't balanced properly.
To intentionally bring the aircraft down,you should push the flight yoke forward to move the elevator downwards and pitch the plane into the ground,pull on the throttle to close and idle the engine,or lean/cut off the mixture...
them mexicans do the same with their planes as they do with their cars, carm as many people in lol. jk jk man, this really sucks, sad to see horrible shit like this happen
Thats a Cessna Not a glider No airbrakes in cessna 172 anyways. The pilot made a bad call I guess Nobody taugt him safety during flight. Hot days and thin air bad combo with all that weight
NOT a 172. This is a 182, you can tell from the cowl flaps. Its generally pretty difficult to overload a 182 truck but perhaps this guy did it. I wouldn't make a guess without more info.
You can also tell it's a 182 from (a) the rear quarter windows, (b) the slender vertical stabiliser and (c) oil cooler in the right cowling opening, indicating an O-470/520-class engine.
You obviously know shit about aircraft's,their fonctionning and aviation in general...pushing the pedals would have crabbed the aircraft,it would have only a very very minor speed decrease.
Yeah its hard to say what exactly caused this crash with the info we have here.If I had to guess though id say it was a CG issue.The plane looks to fly in a tail-low config.When he rotated for TO, the right wing seems to stall first,and with that bad attitude he just never could overcome the stall.
You guys do realise the pilot couldn't have kept on the ground to gain speed. There's a pole sticking out the ground , so if he left teh ground 1 second later he would have hit it.
we can only speculate. your right he should have held it in ground effect togain some airspeed. on video it looked like he had some more runway left but who knows. if he was over weight and he didnt do weight and balance then he was an idiot. sad when things like this happen and they could have been prevented
Hmm just thought about it so more. The pilot could have come back on the ground after he realized there was not enough lift and changed the angle of attack.
I bet if he took off a little bet later, even if the plane was over MGW (Maximum Gross Weight) he still may have had a chance. At the beginning of the video the plane looked VERY loaded, and plus fuel probably made it worse... RIP
ohh shit, so mayn people on board, a pilot, someone next the pilot, three people behind the pilot, that bed for rescue, an oxigen thank, and the plane fuel..... a expected crash....
overweight doesnt kill people if you use caution, use all the runway, and climbout very very flat he paniked when he started to loose the centerline, and continued to rotate when he was still in ground effect, pulling back is rarely the answer especially when ur already slow!
Ur right 182. He was over weight, out of CG and probably with his luck a tail wind. He also could have panicked and retracted the flaps also causing the a/c to settle. To much left pedal also causing more drag, every accident theres a chance of events leading to it...we only see the last few I'm sure. First thing I teach my student's is to never retract the flaps if you get off early, nose down a little and accelerate. Doesn't matter it you're over gross though.
Sure looked like alot of flap......that's just my uniformed observation.
heyitsvos 2 months ago
It was not a C-172, it was a C-182.
yesterway 2 months ago
I'm sure the hot climate of South America didn't help. Should have used a 182 or larger.
fubleduck 3 months ago
Weight and balance much??
TheAkmurda 4 months ago
So sad
YagoRj357 4 months ago
The Doctor flying this Mercy Mission didn't have Bush Pilot Training. No overloaded. He pulled up too much elevator and too much right rudder. He Over controlled to the right and pulled out of ground effect, and stalled. Those Pull Ups then stalls happens a lot on USA too.
Only way to avoid stalling at 60 feet was pushing flaps to 30 and pushing nose down to do MCA flying at 50 feet until pick up speed for a 10 deg. flap Vx.
But this Doctor could not do it and kept nose up, HE WAS NOT TRAINED
CFITOMAHAWK 5 months ago
It looks as though he did a soft field takeoff incorrectly. You're supposed to lift the plane off of the ground as soon as possible (around40-45 kts) and then immediately pitch down again to build airspeed, which he didn't do. The plane only flies at 40-45kts in ground effect, once it climbs higher, it'll have trouble climbing/stall. The fact that it looks like the plane was overloaded and that he yawed to the right immediately after takeoff didn't help. That's my take on it at least
danielfisher94 5 months ago
Also, looking at it again, the smoke direction shows the left crosswind very clearly.
ConvairDart106 5 months ago
@ConvairDart106 I think he might have had full rudder correction already
toogoodbw 5 months ago
As someone else observed, it's a 182 and may not have been overloaded. However, it appears that the pilot was either un-licensed or drastically distracted at a critical time since he just doesn't fly the airplane. He lifts off in a side slip and doesn't seem to know how to regain control.
ptooner 5 months ago
oh they dayed
9pinkyandthebrain 5 months ago
why did the plane crash??
1mnmfan 5 months ago
@1mnmfan overload, the max wheight that this airplain can suport is 2550 pounds app(basic airplain weight plus fuel, passenger and baggage)clearly exceeded that weight. Pilot's fault
B3n0cl 5 months ago
I think it hit an air pocket! (oh and it's a 182, look at the rear windows, air cleaner right below prop and cowl flaps)
AKcharger 5 months ago
planes have a weight limit predicated on runway length as well as structure. overload it, especialaly on a hot day (thinner air, and you can be signing your won death warrant.
he got off the ground in 'ground effect - which extends up about the length of the wings.
Then it stalled (wings stop flying, sometimes only one, and its all over - especially on a dirt field with obstrucitons
discoverwhaturmissin 6 months ago
you can barely take off with a full tank and 2 people, let alone 8 people.
bajesus666 6 months ago
Safety last
nejckra 6 months ago
Sadly, for me and one who has flown a Cessna, this is a classic case of overloading for sure.
mikelsok 6 months ago
Niggers all around the runway, not really a surprise a fatal crash would occur sooner or later
sterby1 6 months ago
@sterby1
You Sir, are a complete Jerk and Racist Areshole who should be put down at the earliest opportunity. You offer Nothing to society and so need to be erased asap.Amen.
mikelsok 6 months ago
@sterby1 You would crash and burn, killing everyone around you long before any of those people did.
Your Hate against the world will come back and screw you in the ass, just wait and see.
biggestMetallicAfan 6 months ago
Classic example of having one's head up the anal canal. But hey looks like the only way to fight illegal immigration
captglennsr 6 months ago
Classic example of having one's head up the anal canal. But hey looks like the only way to fight illegal immigration
captglennsr 6 months ago
Thats exactly what will happen if you climb out of ground effect without the proper airspeed
kkcallahan11 6 months ago
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Travis1Bickle 6 months ago
I've seen this clip a thousand times and people keep saying that the aircraft is a Cessna 172. It is a 182 because of the cowl flaps and the sound of the engine. I any event, he was overloaded beyond the aircrafts capability. Sad thing to watch indeed.
Stash155 6 months ago
c141heaven.info/dotcom/64/pic_64_0614.php
PenorBethith 6 months ago
A plane crash is never due to a single factor.
As far as I can see:
Pilot never countered the crosswind, and might not have given enough rudder to compensate on the first place.
Pilot sees he is about to fall off the runway, and pulls it up in panic. Due to still being in the ground effect, planes does take off. Pilot pulls the nose up even more to dodge the crowd, which means its airspeed probably dropped even lower.
Once he got out of the ground effect, it was an immediate stall and crash.
kobepj 6 months ago
CEASE ABBREVIATIONS which many do not understand. You have room to spell out.
Had he leveled and not tried to gain much altitude, could he have gained just enough airspeed to just miss obstructions and make the flight?
Did the pilot weigh anything?
Passenger in the middle - unbelted?
PIlot had valid pilot's license?
robertgift 6 months ago
That aircraft is definitely overweight..
You can see as soon as it leave ground effect it struggles to climb.
dlxxlb 7 months ago
What happened: The plane was not too overloaded...
1. The pilot did not counteract the crosswinds on takeoff properly. Note how much the plane veers off of the original course.
2. The pilot had the flaps lowered to a point where there was more drag than extra lift. It is recommended to only use 20 degrees flaps on takeoff in a Cessna.
3. The pilot tried to climb by pulling up more, not releasing the flaps.
But this is only my opinion.
PenorBethith 7 months ago
@PenorBethith C-172 short/soft field T/O calls for 10 degrees.
EricBeach 7 months ago
@EricBeach oh, ok. the last time i saw a takeoff checklist i thought i saw 10 degrees. guess i was wrong.
idk i should look at a manual soon
PenorBethith 6 months ago
@EricBeach *20
PenorBethith 6 months ago
@PenorBethith You NEVER release what flaps you have when that close to the ground. He was behind what is called the power curve. High Density Altitude and probably loaded to gross if not more. Pitch forward.
lovemyrinker 6 months ago
@lovemyrinker Actually, raising could have possibly saved them, along with pitching down. It looks like the pilot tried to gain altitude before attempting to recover, increasing angle of attack to and past the point of a stall. What raising the flaps would've done was remove excess drag in exchange for the slight amount of extra lift, thus letting him gain speed. Raising the flaps saved c-141 tail number 64-0614. I'm a student pilot but I haven't learned much about the power curve yet.
PenorBethith 6 months ago
@lovemyrinker c141heaven.info/dotcom/64/pic_64_0614.php
PenorBethith 6 months ago
There's not much excuse for what we just watched. I feel sorry for those who lost their lives.
TACBTNRCC 7 months ago
I'm not even a pilot (only played quite a bit of flight simulator) yet even I can point out mistakes the pilot made. Perhaps the plane was a bit overloaded, but that probably wouldn't have caused the crash if handled carefully. The flaps look way too angled downwards... yet still he tried to pull up too quickly before the plane gained speed. Once slightly airborne he lifted the nose MORE to try gain altitude... bad move with flaps and velocity like that -> he then stalled. Bad flying, sad clip !
cyberdems 7 months ago
Not that it really matters, but I'm pretty sure that's a 182.
FNP3 7 months ago
seems to me that the pilot had more than 20 degrees of flap which prevents the speed increase dramatically, and the stall of the aircraft.
oscarcaliop1987 7 months ago
If that O2 bottle ruptured, it's lights out for everyone. Yes heavy behind CG....full seating plus O2 bottle down the middle....Doesn't math count for anything....???
urgdaddy 7 months ago
Taking off with too much flaps. Should use no more than 10 degrees.
luvlipstickkisses 8 months ago 2
WEIGHT AND BALANCE..jeezuz
bajesus666 8 months ago
Does anyone know what sort of contraption is in the cabin behind the PIC's seat? It looks like bottles of oxygen. I could be mistaken. But it looks heavy!
TheAviator789 8 months ago
@TheAviator789 That was industrial cylinder oxygen.Very large and very heavy.Looks overloaded to me.
Warm humid,maybe density altitude to high.Possible aft CG.
thresher4 8 months ago
i'm really impressed as how that airplane was able to lift off the ground, considering we are talking about somewhere near cali, which is supossedly 950 ish meters over mean sea level (about 4000 ft), and with overweight . We are talking about 5 PEOPLE and A OXYGEN TANK... there's no doubt in my mind that airplane was overweight.
Leaving all that aside, the pilot clearly spoils the little or almost unexistent lift he had by crabbing the airplane... an accident that should be easy to avoid.
daspidrr 8 months ago
He was using too much flap and never gained enough speed to escape ground effect. Short field requires flaps 10, Vx before rotation then Vy after clearing all obstacles. Serious pilot error
CMSgt367 8 months ago
Put the nose down!
rossor6ridr 8 months ago
That is a 182 not 172...
chimandude 9 months ago
what is this guys problem!! V1 would have been abtained way after Vr and V2... definitely should not have ever been flying!! A cessna has a very large lift to weight ratio so he should have atleast let that poor plane gain some speed before rotation at like 40 kts :S
DJbriaz 9 months ago
he could maintain flying without climb to gain speed :/
vetteboki 9 months ago
Not true, I use 20 degrees all the time, it's part of the soft field t/o proceedure to begin with (comment below). And yes, based on the elevator position on t/o, the cg was not aft, the dumbshit just pulled off the runway too soon, then didn't keep his nose down to accelarate. But I bet he was out of MGW to begin with.
keithacoustic86 9 months ago
@keithacoustic86 in the POH recommended short field t/o flap setting is 10 degrees... not sure where you got your information from :S
DJbriaz 9 months ago
He was using to much flap. The plane could not gain speed, especially being over loaded. Never use more than 10 degrees of flaps during a takeoff under any circumstances. I really couldn't tell how much he was using but it looked like at least 20 degrees. If you are going to attempt something this stupid the plane should use all available runway and keep it on the ground until a solid rotation speed is acheived. He pulled it off the ground and floated in ground effect. sinceless trajedy.
RichRuss1 9 months ago
how is this trajic imigrints trying to get to uk/usa and a really stupid pilot they deserved it !!
lukewolves96 9 months ago
Upon many reviews, it is apparent that it was not an aft cg by observing the elevator position as it flys by. It clearly showed poor ruuder use in that he swerves off the runway as soon as he lifts the nose. Which was early as he still has a lot of runway left. At this point however he continues when he should have aborted. The crowd may have been a factor to his pulling it up as he was about to start chopping burger! As noted, he never gained enough speed to climb out of ground effect.
ConvairDart106 11 months ago 16
@ConvairDart106 I am just a student pilot, only 11.1 hrs so far but all in a 172R, so comparable aircraft but not exactly the same. In the machine I fly right rudder deflection is almost full on takeoff so I was personally wondering how he floated so drastically right after takeoff. Always, if I get it a bit wrong at takeoff it floats left.
Bladod 5 months ago
@Bladod Not being there ourselves, makes it harder to pin down however, he may have had a little left crosswind OR, he may have been applying too much right rudder to offset the p-factor. It does look like a difficult view over the nose as he keeps the tail down the entire time. Looks to me like he was trying a short and soft takeoff with high density altitude to contend with which could easily have made him overweight if that were a factor.
ConvairDart106 5 months ago
@Bladod Hi Bladod. Been north fishing. You probably have a few more hours in now and have practiced crosswind take off and landings. Gusty winds and even moderate crosswinds demand proper use of rudder. Yes, normally you hold right rudder to offset P-factor. However, with a stiff left crosswind, P-factor can be eliminated altogether and actually demand stiff left rudder. I recall this from my student pilot days when taxiing out from behind a hangar only to weathervane 90 degrees LEFT in the wind
ConvairDart106 3 months ago
How do you pass a written test with stupidity with that
Dominoes282 11 months ago 18
i'm willing to bet that its not overloaded....it looks like the cg is to far aft of its limits...u can see as soon as he takes off he doesn't have enough pitch down to counter the pitch up of the aircraft, so it stalls and it is impossible to recover...bummer
acballerr 11 months ago
its a 182
HisRevolution 11 months ago
This is sad, weight and balance is so critical to safe flying. 100% preventable
mnfler 1 year ago
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verydange 1 year ago
Shoving the whole extended family into a plane that can hardly carry 4 passengers???
squarepusher303 1 year ago
how stupid could you be, if youre gonna do stupid shit do it over the water by yourself. where the hell did they think they were going?
AroundSun 1 year ago
i know its mean, but..... HAHAHA OVERLOADED PLANE FILLED WITH MEXICANS!!!!!!! ahahahahahhahahahahhahaha
flightTime123 1 year ago
Not overloaded, just not balanced
tinyman12323 1 year ago
this had NOTHING to do with the lady touching the pedals, even if she was to apply full oposite rotor, the plane could still take off, is very simply a fatal mistake on the pilot, plane not only overloaded but also way B/cg this guy killed these people, defenitely tail heavy, you can see the heavy 6ft oxigen tank going fron the back seat all the way to the back of the plane, not to mantion they already had 4 people there, Sorry that he died, but he didnt need to take the other three with him!
MrPorscheracer 1 year ago
@MrPorscheracer I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of the lady jabbing the left rudder. Yeah an overweight/aft of cg 172 might be able to take off in a full crab but once it gets out of ground effect i seriously doubt it can maintain Vs with all of that drag. It looks like the plane completely veers of the runway. There's no way the pilot would intentionally leave that much runway. I wish i could read the n number to do a little research
jmo250 1 year ago
@jmo250 also just realized its a 182. I see cowl flaps
jmo250 1 year ago
does the pilot know what a 'weight and balance' chart is?
handbackurmbe 1 year ago
@handbackurmbe no. he probably used it to wipe his ass
bajesus666 1 year ago
@handbackurmbe Every pilot must learn weight and balance as part of their training.
If they cant do correct weight and balance they shouldnt be flying.. simple!
chalkyami 1 year ago
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This guy sucks!!!
southwest1998 1 year ago
Overloaded plane+irresponsible pilot.....what could they expect...ffs
IIproductionsII 1 year ago
what was this pilot thinking!?
cmagoalie 1 year ago
@jerplane99 not true a C-172 XP has cowl flaps
acousticness 1 year ago
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@jerplane99 not true C-172 XP has cowl flaps.
acousticness 1 year ago
@jerplane99 not true C-172 XP has cowl flaps
acousticness 1 year ago
theres a reason why the aircrafts has a handbook, and a section about weight and balance. i'd be suprised if that 172 even had a airworthiness certificate.
raikkonen8 1 year ago
apart of overloaded it looks tail heavy to me
toddi1971 1 year ago
stupid mexicans
trdaredevilclips 1 year ago
Actually, at the beginning of the video you can hear the pilot saying to the lady (the one crying) "no me vas a tocar los pedales para nada" which means YOU SOULD NOT TOCH THE PEDDALS AT ALL. My guess is that the women got scare during takeoff and push with her fits on the left ruder pedal, and the pilot couldn’t take her fits of the pedal on time.
EstebanCRC 1 year ago
@EstebanCRC - I agree. I think the woman panicked and touched the pedals and as a result the pilot could not gain control - probably trying to fight it, etc. So this passanger should have been in the back seat. This is a disturbing video to watch.
AreoCrayZ 1 year ago
We pilots need to play by the rules outlined in the POH. Yes, EVEN WHEN we are told that staying grouned could cost someone their life. I would be willing to bet that someone was under a lot of pressure to attempt this life flight. I don't like to pass judgement on other pilots because I've made a couple of mistakes myself that I'll never do again. Some of us have lived to talk about it. This guy wasn't so lucky
YeagerP51 1 year ago 2
The medical examiner might as well of signed the death certificate after the pilot started the takeoff roll.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
stall.......he took off so early and did a bad weight and balance......besides when he took off the airplane wasnot getting any wind from one side...the pilot son studies witn me.:(
92071551743 1 year ago
crosswind take off and crosswind landing
rochen214 1 year ago
@rochen214 There wasn't any crosswind. The pilot was just twisting his rudder to the side.
MapleSephiroth 1 year ago
Did the plane die??
ferrarif40owner 1 year ago
Ladies and Gentlemen I give you one of the worlds dumbest pilots and a crash that never should have happened.
SkyPilot22690 1 year ago
Aft CG
ismasamov55 1 year ago
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tsunamim 1 year ago
lol... atleast she isn't crying anymore
tmacization 1 year ago
@tmacization thats discussing.. and sad
CThompson151 1 year ago
@tmacization LOL? thats horrible how can you say that
CThompson151 1 year ago
This crash was maybe over gross, but probably too much flaps, climbed out of ground effect without enough air speed, and maybe high density altitude. I made a 20K tailwind T/O once pulling a glider with 2 pax in glider and 1 pax with me in a C-182. I had to stay in ground effect for about five miles until I got enough speed (85 mph) to climb out. Scared my pax. Glider pilot stayed on and later said, "He thought he'd just crash where I did."
sergeantsailorman 1 year ago
you can see plane crashed because pitch was not fully forward look at the blades of the prop as it goes past the pitch is set fine----plane will not fly in this config.
ALWAYS PTF
pitches trimmers flaps easy three
Thorair 1 year ago
not just overload but way too much flaps
MrMatthysR 1 year ago
without a doubt this is a 182.
2 landing lights
cowl flaps
oil cooler visible in the cowl
motoman1210 1 year ago
2 landing lights? im still in 150's and 2 of the 3 at my school have 2 landing lights (well, 1 landing + taxi)
jmm006 1 year ago
an incipient stall set in right away as he rotated and side-slipped the aircraft, probably from "Panic Reaction" rudder input, upon realizing an immediate Unusual Attitude just after Vr. yeah, from what everyone's saying, and the Video Evidence, clearly seen here,as the cabin was Piled full of People and Equipment, it's doubtful this Pilot was "on his game" as far as being Weight/Balance" savvy. real shame. killed a couple folks i understand.
also, wonder what the Density and Field Elev was?
drumdude46 1 year ago
I'm not 100% sure,and please correct me if I'm wrong,but my thought was that a 172 has only 1 landing light,and a 182 has 2,as in the aircraft in this video...? After I watched it 100's X,I'm going for a weight and balance wrong offset,wich caused a important angle of attack and a turbulence on the upperside of the wing (extrados),wich led to a beginning stall. A crosswind and there you go...remains the question:why on full flaps..????
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
I heard say that the passenger in the co-pilot seat had grabbed the controls in apanic and thats what caused the accident. Anyone know anything?
marco21falcon 2 years ago
FAIL (sad too)
djtorule 2 years ago
everything about this take off is wrong
FireFighterrock24 2 years ago
Why are the flaps deployed??
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
@TESTASPEEDER because of short runwway?
heberorozco 2 years ago
Certainly looks like a 182. Should have easily carried the passengers but we don't know what the baggage was. Looks VERY crowded when they're loading. I'm thinking aft CG and DA issues. I'd bet money homeboy didn't give his weight & balance a second thought.
muzzlebreak 2 years ago
ArizonaDesertPiper; you're right on. Overloaded and aft C/G to boot. Look at how the main gear is flexing. Also, did you notice the flaps? They're down making all kinds of drag-this boob didn't have a chance.
ZeeboAndKiki 2 years ago
@2speaker That is EXACTLY what my first reaction was. If this is a 182 then it has more than enough power to handle that load. I just flew a 182 today with full fuel and 4 passengers, 2 heavyset guys, and it had no problems. It sure does seem like there is a BIG tail wind hurting him... Tragic to forget the wind when in a hurry to get going...
F1FanaticGT3 2 years ago
i think thats a 182? not a 172. see the windows? hmm i could be wrong? im more of a mooney guy, but w/e. tragic crash no doubt!
joe69rocket 2 years ago
carlsheritt
If it is a 182 where are the cowl flaps?
ArizonaDesertPiper 2 years ago
you can see that the cowl flaps are open at :14
FireFighterrock24 2 years ago
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FoulOwl 2 years ago
i usually am very sentimental and i feel sorry to say that but boy: "i can't stop laughin with that video whenever i see it" lolz
sry
mandugal 2 years ago
lol nose down more right rudder pls
carlsheritt 2 years ago
carlsheritt: I doubt if this would have help. It appears that the plane was overloaded and seriously out of CG. Plus I suspect, based on the location, DA may have been an issue..
ArizonaDesertPiper 2 years ago
You clearly dont know how to fly a plane and if u do I would be very afraid for you.
carlsheritt 2 years ago
carlsheritt; When did you earn your ticket and what are your ratings?
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ArizonaDesertPiper 2 years ago
carlsheritt
That's what I thought.
ArizonaDesertPiper 2 years ago
Didn't you know bro?Every kid with a flight sim program and a YouTube account was meritously awarded their PPL...CPLs will be issued upon the completion of 100hrs of stupid comments on YT.
FoulOwl 2 years ago
Hahahaha!!!! LOL
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
Hmmmm,could you explain me what the impact of more right rudder imput would have been in this case please...?
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
Plane lifts off in a slip creating excess drag. Flying in a coordinated manner and lowering the nose would allow the aircraft to gain additional airspeed and be better able to climb. The pilot allowed the aircraft to get behind the power curve and did not correct.
carlsheritt 2 years ago
@carlsheritt
Can't push the nose down no matter how hard you try if the plane is balanced improperly.
FlickerCityPro 1 year ago
How did this pilot get licensed? There was too much weight on that plane in the rear. Why didn't he balance it properly?
FlickerCityPro 2 years ago
This take of was in Columbia (real shitty version of the FAA) but could have been anywhere really. Pilots accumulate hours and suddenly become invincible, 10 feet tall and bulletproof. I really doubt if this pilot has done a weights and balances in a long time. BTW,This is a C172 not a 182 - ya can't hear a constant speed prop. The 182 has alot more balls. as far as the flaps, I hate to second guess dead pilots but this might be his attempt at a short field takeoff. Who knows. Fly safe. Regards.
flapsdwn 2 years ago
This is a C182
fotisaiki 2 years ago
dude I speak spanish, and the pilot told to the black girl to don't push the pedals, and because of her son she was crying so she didn't controll herself so she started pushing the pedals.
ochoapedro49 2 years ago
ochoapedro49,
All that would have done, is make the plane crab / yaw. It would not have taken the plane down, straight like it did. He didn't have enough lift or enough speed. This was because he had too much weight and it wasn't balanced properly.
FlickerCityPro 2 years ago
I seriously doubt so. Pedals are synchronised and he could have stopped them moving because of a girl...
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
Spanish or English or Russian,whatever...
To intentionally bring the aircraft down,you should push the flight yoke forward to move the elevator downwards and pitch the plane into the ground,pull on the throttle to close and idle the engine,or lean/cut off the mixture...
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
asdasdsdaasdasd
Quadio1 2 years ago
Too high,too hot,too heavy,bad COG, a bit of crosswinds,uncooperative passenger,maybe nervous pilot adds up to tragedy.
FoulOwl 2 years ago
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I am not a pilot but I am very good at flight simulator I want to be a pilot but I am only 13 so I can't fly but I know so much!
good luck all pilots hope your fly is good!!
ochoapedro49 2 years ago
Thats were I started kiddo. keep it up and never ignore the chance to learn more!
USMCGalSteph 2 years ago
them mexicans do the same with their planes as they do with their cars, carm as many people in lol. jk jk man, this really sucks, sad to see horrible shit like this happen
chestateegold 2 years ago
they were from colombia kid, educate yourself.
capemp1 2 years ago
the blatant ingnorance of the coment was meant to be funny. lighten up man
chestateegold 2 years ago
"Runway feelers" on the wheel skirts "fuzzy dice" hanging from the flap control lever and a dancing hula girl stuck on the top of the IP.
flanksteak2 2 years ago
bornwestusa: that was a good one hehehehe
Muhammadz86 2 years ago
shut up that was not overloaded it was because the mother of the kid started to push the pedals, and that decreases the speed.
that's used to stop the gliders increases the drag...
ochoapedro49 2 years ago
..........how many flight hours do you have ?
skat0r 2 years ago
Thats a Cessna Not a glider No airbrakes in cessna 172 anyways. The pilot made a bad call I guess Nobody taugt him safety during flight. Hot days and thin air bad combo with all that weight
USMCGalSteph 2 years ago
NOT a 172. This is a 182, you can tell from the cowl flaps. Its generally pretty difficult to overload a 182 truck but perhaps this guy did it. I wouldn't make a guess without more info.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
You can also tell it's a 182 from (a) the rear quarter windows, (b) the slender vertical stabiliser and (c) oil cooler in the right cowling opening, indicating an O-470/520-class engine.
SenorSpode 2 years ago
You obviously know shit about aircraft's,their fonctionning and aviation in general...pushing the pedals would have crabbed the aircraft,it would have only a very very minor speed decrease.
TESTASPEEDER 2 years ago
Yeah its hard to say what exactly caused this crash with the info we have here.If I had to guess though id say it was a CG issue.The plane looks to fly in a tail-low config.When he rotated for TO, the right wing seems to stall first,and with that bad attitude he just never could overcome the stall.
FoulOwl 2 years ago
You guys do realise the pilot couldn't have kept on the ground to gain speed. There's a pole sticking out the ground , so if he left teh ground 1 second later he would have hit it.
agent648 2 years ago
we can only speculate. your right he should have held it in ground effect togain some airspeed. on video it looked like he had some more runway left but who knows. if he was over weight and he didnt do weight and balance then he was an idiot. sad when things like this happen and they could have been prevented
jonny2387 2 years ago 16
POH in english, oh no!
bornwestusa 2 years ago 2
Hmm just thought about it so more. The pilot could have come back on the ground after he realized there was not enough lift and changed the angle of attack.
flyer176 2 years ago
I bet if he took off a little bet later, even if the plane was over MGW (Maximum Gross Weight) he still may have had a chance. At the beginning of the video the plane looked VERY loaded, and plus fuel probably made it worse... RIP
flyer176 2 years ago
irresponsible pilot
airbus91 2 years ago 26
@airbus91
Please read before any stupid replies.
flexairz 1 year ago
@airbus91 that's not a pilot...
golden290 1 year ago
It probably was overweight, not only that, I'm guessing the center of gravity was way past the center of lift.....(overweight and tail heavy)
ogonzalez00 2 years ago
ohh shit, so mayn people on board, a pilot, someone next the pilot, three people behind the pilot, that bed for rescue, an oxigen thank, and the plane fuel..... a expected crash....
gustavo87467357 2 years ago
they had WAYYYYYY to many people in that plane
bombercat123 2 years ago 2
Where was god?
latynguy 2 years ago
In your head.
benythebot 2 years ago 2
and he is way cg.....u can see the nose wheel bounce up and down when he is taxieing
FireFighterrock24 2 years ago
were they mexican? if so that would b hella funny
FireFighterrock24 2 years ago
he took off uncoordinated, playing with the rudder a lil too much
locdown120 2 years ago
stall !... was the pilot a biginner ?
tatercito 2 years ago
overweight doesnt kill people if you use caution, use all the runway, and climbout very very flat he paniked when he started to loose the centerline, and continued to rotate when he was still in ground effect, pulling back is rarely the answer especially when ur already slow!
dogbowl454 2 years ago
Ur right 182. He was over weight, out of CG and probably with his luck a tail wind. He also could have panicked and retracted the flaps also causing the a/c to settle. To much left pedal also causing more drag, every accident theres a chance of events leading to it...we only see the last few I'm sure. First thing I teach my student's is to never retract the flaps if you get off early, nose down a little and accelerate. Doesn't matter it you're over gross though.
jalamasurf 2 years ago
overload + short runway+flaps dw + CG desviation = STALL
tulintulan 2 years ago
Over weight and out of CG plain and simple. 4 people in a 172 and anything other than sea level DA you're not getting out of ground effect.