This isn't a tournament game, this is clearly a friendly. Even mango said himself that too many people try too hard to win in freindlies. This type of match is better for discovering and practicing new techniques. I applaud the creative and aesthetic style of these guys in friendlies. In tournament, I bet they play a lot more solid.
@Pontus501 Dark has already admitted he is a noob...but he has amazing tech skill..If he would actually practice...there's no doubting what he could do.
@Pontus501 These guys do NOT suck. There is very few people in the world who can match them tech wise. Besides, the lack of mind games is completed by the mad tech.
I actually want to see how far they would get in an actual tournament. It would be SilentWolf but even more extreme, someone who relies purely on tech skill to win matches.
Would be cool to see pure tech skill vs pure mind games
@ruhtraeel i have to disagree with you there, watch a good samus vs a technical fox, that proves mindgames > tech...if ur basing ur oppinion on TAS vids, you have to keep in mind those arent just frame perfect tech, they know what is going to happen aka perfect mindgames and reads also.
@ruhtraeel That is also false, one of the big things with mindgames is to trick you into doing something that is punishable, and if someone had frame perfect timing and instant reflexes, but still fell for something, there are still some frames of lag that the person with perfect tech skill could not do anything except get punished.
But still, if someone had perfect reflexes and just stood there, it would be impossible to mindgame him into anything, because ex.
Mindgames = I dash dance (or do any mindgame) in hopes that Tech Skill will be baited into these actions: etc etc etc
Tech Skill/Perfect Reflexes = The mindgame that he is attempting can be countered with these sets of moves at this frame, this different set of moves at this other frame, etc etc
Mindgames = not perfect reflexes = gets countered.
@ruhtraeel ok so u stand still and the mindgames ledge camps, you cant laser him, stalemate. if you are gonna assume you have perfect tech and perfect reaction time, you then have to assume that the person with perfect mindgames also has perfect reads, which is the other part of tas videos. With perfect reads, he can dodge all of your moves because he knows what you are going to do, and therefor can counter it when u decide to go, and because you are assuming tech is better, u r wrongiftheytie
Also, perfect reads mean that he knows where you go, but not necessarily able to get there. Getting there requires tech skill. If you were talking about all mindgames no tech skill vs all tech skill no mindgames, tech skill would win.
@ruhtraeel ok so what ur saying is someone who can push buttons really fast but has no idea where anything is, vs someone who knows where everything is and cant do anything? that is absurd. also one doesnt need tech skill to grab a ledge and fall and regrab a ledge, like i said it doesnt have to be super flash y and have invincibility frames. also when it comes to mindgames, mindgames has a HUGE range of things, tech skill is basically being able to move as fast as possible.
@ruhtraeel no, thats what i am saying, with perfect tech skill and you standing still compared to them being on the ledge waiting to punish your approach, if you approach nothing is frame safe, so you would get punished, if you dont it will draw, and you will lose the argument because you said its better not tied, and the only reason it is tied is because the person with perfect mindgames has scared you into not moving...
@ruhtraeel thats why i said they camp the ledge, you cant hit them if they are below the possible area of your projectiles. Also they dont need perfect tech skill to stay on a ledge, they dont even have to have invincibility frames if you dont approach.
@ruhtraeel again, theres a difference between tech skill and basic controls. Tech skill is how well you know and can use ADVANCED movement techniques, but if you are enough steps ahead to just spot dodge an approach with samus and dsmash a technical fox that only approaches because they are mindlessly just trying to hit you, then you dont even need tech skill, just the knowledge of what the buttons do at their basic levels.
@ruhtraeel what im telling you is that tech skill is the advanced hand motions, anyone can hold a ledge until they fall then re-jump what your saying is that i basically dont have hands, and im saying you basically dont have a brain if we follow what you are saying. ant with out a brain you would be running off the stage doing technical stuff while i sat still and thought about it...pointless argument for one, and not very well layed out.
Ok, so you just grab the ledge and rejump over and over again. The technical Samus just shoots guided missiles (cancelled ones if you want) over and over again. Pretty soon you will get hit. And after you get hit, you HAVE to approach or it times out. Bottom line = you HAVE to approach to win. You HAVE to have tech skill to approach.
But yeah, I'm sick of this discussion. Reply if you want, but I'll just delete it.
@ruhtraeel well unless you are gonna hack my account, or are using 2 accounts you cant delete this reply. and when it comes to the argument we were talking about a technical fox, and then i said a smart samus could easily beat a technical fox, now that i made to much sense for you, you switched rolls, fox cant shoot the ledge with missiles buddy, also if it were fox he could grab the ledge and punish, but you said that he wouldnt approach...so thats out. so again we end up at a draw.
@ruhtraeel I don't know what kind of trash Fox you're playing against, but Fox can nair missiles and it will destroy them, if you spotdodge an aerial and try to dsmash, he can shine you out of it. Also, Samus can't ledgehop homing missile regrab edge. They have to be smashed missiles, which fox can bair through AND hit Samus as well. You just don't know what you're talking about.
man... it pains me that these guys are so technical, because they're horrible at everything else.
They style right into each other's moves, do random technical shit for no reason, kill themselves frequently, and they clearly don't give a damn about spacing. Its like this is how top fox mains would play if they OD'd on crack.
oie wn en una de esa me podi dejar los nombre delos temas sobre to el dela mitad etan bueno wn !! aa y pulento el video ojala ballan los dos al nacional ke se benga =) .... dejate los temas ¬¬ !!!
@givememuney pretty sure they're just showcasing some tech skill and being as flashy as possible. They'd probably play a lot safer under tourney pressure
you uys are fucking amazing...i thought there was something in the water in Florida with all them damn technical beasts, but dayumn you guys are on some other shit altogether.
Second stock of second match was full of lol.
OMGItsAllen 5 days ago
the definition of fox dittos, FD only
3512435124 6 days ago
This isn't a tournament game, this is clearly a friendly. Even mango said himself that too many people try too hard to win in freindlies. This type of match is better for discovering and practicing new techniques. I applaud the creative and aesthetic style of these guys in friendlies. In tournament, I bet they play a lot more solid.
thegreatsolar 1 month ago
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i only know that last song from PIU Pro 2...
sick song tbh.
but words for the video... speechless tbh..
PkTwinkieX 1 month ago
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PkTwinkieX 1 month ago
this video is better then some tas videos
TheLuisander94 2 months ago
I honestly think Dark was playing both characters...
madiesm 2 months ago
@madiesm
Dark and Zant are like equally tech skilled and also equally stupid
ruhtraeel 2 months ago
Sanxion7-Eternus for the last song... Great song choice :D
Callisto726 3 months ago
@Pontus501 the sad truth of it
rebelian7 4 months ago
its not about mindgames, they have massive tech skill but honestly they suck lol.
Pontus501 4 months ago 3
@Pontus501 Dark has already admitted he is a noob...but he has amazing tech skill..If he would actually practice...there's no doubting what he could do.
Nakedguy01 3 months ago
@Nakedguy01 Practice not SD'ing?
dsx9069 2 months ago
@Pontus501 These guys do NOT suck. There is very few people in the world who can match them tech wise. Besides, the lack of mind games is completed by the mad tech.
MrIronNeo 3 weeks ago
Who says there's no porn on YouTube!!!
Jakester12621 4 months ago 10
I watched a lot of other fox dittos after this one and they all seem so slow, I think will never be satisfied again lol
moraigna66 5 months ago
inb4 "no items, fox only, final destination" comments
PocketAces1796 5 months ago
3:15 YOU MUST RECOVER!
PocketAces1796 5 months ago
dark and zant throwing out moves :P
Entar0adum 5 months ago
Lol from 3:07 to 3:34
Chilean edgeguarding at it's finest
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
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ruhtraeel 5 months ago
I actually want to see how far they would get in an actual tournament. It would be SilentWolf but even more extreme, someone who relies purely on tech skill to win matches.
Would be cool to see pure tech skill vs pure mind games
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel ill spoil that one for you right now; mindgames wins hands down...like not even close
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
yeah to the human extent but once you get to near frame-perfect skills then tech skill > mindgames
I think Dark is thinking/starting to approach those skills
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel i have to disagree with you there, watch a good samus vs a technical fox, that proves mindgames > tech...if ur basing ur oppinion on TAS vids, you have to keep in mind those arent just frame perfect tech, they know what is going to happen aka perfect mindgames and reads also.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
Perfect tech skill usually comes with perfect reflexes I guess
Perfect reflexes = no need for mindgames?
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel That is also false, one of the big things with mindgames is to trick you into doing something that is punishable, and if someone had frame perfect timing and instant reflexes, but still fell for something, there are still some frames of lag that the person with perfect tech skill could not do anything except get punished.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
But still, if someone had perfect reflexes and just stood there, it would be impossible to mindgame him into anything, because ex.
Mindgames = I dash dance (or do any mindgame) in hopes that Tech Skill will be baited into these actions: etc etc etc
Tech Skill/Perfect Reflexes = The mindgame that he is attempting can be countered with these sets of moves at this frame, this different set of moves at this other frame, etc etc
Mindgames = not perfect reflexes = gets countered.
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel ok so u stand still and the mindgames ledge camps, you cant laser him, stalemate. if you are gonna assume you have perfect tech and perfect reaction time, you then have to assume that the person with perfect mindgames also has perfect reads, which is the other part of tas videos. With perfect reads, he can dodge all of your moves because he knows what you are going to do, and therefor can counter it when u decide to go, and because you are assuming tech is better, u r wrongiftheytie
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
Also, perfect reads mean that he knows where you go, but not necessarily able to get there. Getting there requires tech skill. If you were talking about all mindgames no tech skill vs all tech skill no mindgames, tech skill would win.
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
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@ruhtraeel ok so what ur saying is someone who can push buttons really fast but has no idea where anything is, vs someone who knows where everything is and cant do anything? that is absurd. also one doesnt need tech skill to grab a ledge and fall and regrab a ledge, like i said it doesnt have to be super flash y and have invincibility frames. also when it comes to mindgames, mindgames has a HUGE range of things, tech skill is basically being able to move as fast as possible.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
Which brings me to my original point, only mindgames vs only tech skill. Execution > setup
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel no, thats what i am saying, with perfect tech skill and you standing still compared to them being on the ledge waiting to punish your approach, if you approach nothing is frame safe, so you would get punished, if you dont it will draw, and you will lose the argument because you said its better not tied, and the only reason it is tied is because the person with perfect mindgames has scared you into not moving...
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
You don't have to approach. You can camp with any character that has projectiles. And without perfect tech skill, you can't dodge all of them.
There's a reason why everyone says you must have solid tech skill to play space animals, the most popular characters in the game.
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel thats why i said they camp the ledge, you cant hit them if they are below the possible area of your projectiles. Also they dont need perfect tech skill to stay on a ledge, they dont even have to have invincibility frames if you dont approach.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
I mean all tech skill no mindgames vs all mindgames and NO TECH SKILL
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southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
ALL tech skill NO mindgames vs ALL mindgames NO tech skill.
Even if you know exactly what the other person is going to do, you can't beat him if you can't execute it.
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel again, theres a difference between tech skill and basic controls. Tech skill is how well you know and can use ADVANCED movement techniques, but if you are enough steps ahead to just spot dodge an approach with samus and dsmash a technical fox that only approaches because they are mindlessly just trying to hit you, then you dont even need tech skill, just the knowledge of what the buttons do at their basic levels.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
Again, you need decent tech skill to camp the ledge effectively forever. You can't just hang there because you fall off after a while.
And you can't win a game if you play pure defence and they play pure campy offence. Eventually you will lose by percent.
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel what im telling you is that tech skill is the advanced hand motions, anyone can hold a ledge until they fall then re-jump what your saying is that i basically dont have hands, and im saying you basically dont have a brain if we follow what you are saying. ant with out a brain you would be running off the stage doing technical stuff while i sat still and thought about it...pointless argument for one, and not very well layed out.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@southpawpwnage
Ok, so you just grab the ledge and rejump over and over again. The technical Samus just shoots guided missiles (cancelled ones if you want) over and over again. Pretty soon you will get hit. And after you get hit, you HAVE to approach or it times out. Bottom line = you HAVE to approach to win. You HAVE to have tech skill to approach.
But yeah, I'm sick of this discussion. Reply if you want, but I'll just delete it.
ruhtraeel 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel well unless you are gonna hack my account, or are using 2 accounts you cant delete this reply. and when it comes to the argument we were talking about a technical fox, and then i said a smart samus could easily beat a technical fox, now that i made to much sense for you, you switched rolls, fox cant shoot the ledge with missiles buddy, also if it were fox he could grab the ledge and punish, but you said that he wouldnt approach...so thats out. so again we end up at a draw.
southpawpwnage 5 months ago
@ruhtraeel I don't know what kind of trash Fox you're playing against, but Fox can nair missiles and it will destroy them, if you spotdodge an aerial and try to dsmash, he can shine you out of it. Also, Samus can't ledgehop homing missile regrab edge. They have to be smashed missiles, which fox can bair through AND hit Samus as well. You just don't know what you're talking about.
Nannally18 2 months ago
man... it pains me that these guys are so technical, because they're horrible at everything else.
They style right into each other's moves, do random technical shit for no reason, kill themselves frequently, and they clearly don't give a damn about spacing. Its like this is how top fox mains would play if they OD'd on crack.
PlayerPandu 6 months ago
@PlayerPandu but when it works, they can put it in a cool combo video!
RedAlert39 6 months ago
You guys are playing melee like it's fucking stepmania.
123Shine 7 months ago
what was the music???
sos246 7 months ago
7:43 I thought you guys agreed to edgeguard poorly throughout the set;)
All joking aside tho, you guys have the most amazing tech skill I've ever seen (or could've imagined!) It's like a work of art.
dsx9069 7 months ago
awesome but ... why do they autokill themselves?
javiman 8 months ago
Lol first match had like 4 suicides
ruhtraeel 8 months ago
oie wn en una de esa me podi dejar los nombre delos temas sobre to el dela mitad etan bueno wn !! aa y pulento el video ojala ballan los dos al nacional ke se benga =) .... dejate los temas ¬¬ !!!
ejroj2 8 months ago
SSBM its better than brawl the characters are alot faster
HenrxKoon 9 months ago
this is the most hardcore fox ditto i have ever seen
seaweedsupper 10 months ago 2
DARK = Most technical smasher till now?
GamePerFrame 10 months ago
that part from 0:00 to 7:55 was amazing !
herosflute 10 months ago
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this is absolutely horrible to watch >____>
Aaanddyyy 1 year ago
@Aaanddyyy
Thx ><
ChikushoSSBM 1 year ago
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this is absolutely horrible to watch >____>
Aaanddyyy 1 year ago
@Aaanddyyy agreed. the edgeguarding... yikes
likemy 11 months ago
CHILEAN DA BEST
ivanpooo 1 year ago
dear lord. that was intense
can anyone tell me the first and second song pl0x?
TheDr0p 1 year ago
@TheDr0p first song is kadotettu todelusis by grimsoul. dont quote me on that one tho.
2nd one
Song: 19 - Ham - Clubheds (Beating of the Drum)
Album: Hardcore Heaven 3
----Or the original, Gammer - Rip Roar----
I dont know if that last part was just a different mix or a third song entirely. but IVe never heard it b4.
Ka0star 1 year ago
man, who DOESN'T like watching foxes be teknical
stabbedbyahippie 1 year ago
DUDE from 3:15 to 3:32 that is dangerious XD
mrjreaper4 1 year ago
No items
Fox only
Final Destination
PKrockin 1 year ago
zant qlo los meos fly :D!
metaknightassbb 1 year ago
amazing tech skill but honestly they could be more efficient. if they came to U.S. they would get destroyed
givememuney 1 year ago
@givememuney
Yeah like when Armada came to the US at Pound4 and people claimed he'd be lucky to get top 20. OH WAIT.
RatedMforMizar 1 year ago
@givememuney pretty sure they're just showcasing some tech skill and being as flashy as possible. They'd probably play a lot safer under tourney pressure
Darkatma 1 year ago
si quitamos el suicidio extremo creo que me acavo de cagar al ver el match, son la verga
eonzeus 1 year ago
Wow, amazing.
If these guys start using their tech skill for the good of mankind they'd save us all.
Last song is rape
mattdotzeb 1 year ago 2
But don't you hear your controllers begging you to stop those matches?!!
MajoraMIM 1 year ago
you uys are fucking amazing...i thought there was something in the water in Florida with all them damn technical beasts, but dayumn you guys are on some other shit altogether.
strawhats100 1 year ago
holy shit from 6:02-6:14
strawhats100 1 year ago 10
Absurd tech skill. Nice music.
RockCrock76 1 year ago
raaaaaaaaaaaape
pbnj2323 1 year ago
necesitan mas juegos de cabeza
aznseal 1 year ago
como se llaman las cansiones esk nadamas las
vi en los videos de silentwolf
pero nunk sup como se llamavan
alguien me puede desir?
Blackshadowknight12 1 year ago
dark para mi sigue siendo el mejor :P ^^ pero zant le echa bolas xD
davidealessio 1 year ago
6:02 oh my god !
blacklinkblacklink 1 year ago 2
Silentwolf fanboys! :p
AshuRawRun 1 year ago
8D Puxa q soy suicida xD
zant is in training... by dark
Ryuusukeemblem 1 year ago
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zant y dark son muy buenos espero
k suban mas peleas de ustedes
y espero k suban math
del torneo de su nacion y los
publikn en el foro de la smash.mex
sale cuidencn y sigan
smashiando
Blackshadowknight12 1 year ago
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Blackshadowknight12 1 year ago
ojala verlos en el nacional para que den un espectáculo mas o menos así xd
DavisHeat 1 year ago
WAA VENGAN AL NACIONAL ARIQEÑOS DEL DEMONIO!!!!!!
marchekun 1 year ago
1.57, creo q nunca habia visto un shine->Bair tan rapido D:
jaja, kedo justo pal doraki en el 6.14
kitada de lado al final, q feo u_u
zant para de matarte D:
y aprendan a techiar el shine =/
jajaja, tan weltos locos D=
quesote20 1 year ago
Grimsoul <3
pifiaron caleta cauros D:
sigmafi88 1 year ago
mucha speed =)
pero falta precision aunq iwal puro desmadre ustdes en amistosas xD
wox182 1 year ago
no items! fox only! final destination!!?
tolla02 1 year ago
damn, there was alot of buttons being pressed.
Reneblade 1 year ago 23
@Reneblade The number of buttons being pressed in these matches exceeds the total number of buttons pressed in your average tournament, aggregate.
wabitgirl 6 months ago