Nationalistic Fervour For Sale

[F00dTube]

The way you speak about this, it comes across (to me) like a conspiracy, but I know you don't mean it like that. An interesting rhetoric used by politicians in the US is accusing someone critical of the war, as "not supporting our troops". A while ago I heard a Dutch politician use the same argument in a tv-debate. I was shocked because this was such a typical _non-dutch_ move. The guy looked like an amateur and it didn't work luckily. It's amazing how it does work in the US.

[F00dTube]

I mean rhetorical device.

[Loreleila]

There are definite manipulations. They're unmistakable. How organised they are and whether they form part of a conspiracy or not is moot. I can't say one way or another because I don't know the facts. I'm not a conspiracist though. I have no need of there being an enemy. But I can see an unsubtle attempt to instill certain attitudes from a variety of sources.

[limeslimey]

Foreclosures. Bank bailouts. No Single payer.  More troops in Afghanistan. Cap n' trade and offsetting instead of carbon tax. Aaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[Loreleila]

Indeed

[TWITfromURANUS]

I should never write when I'm in a hurry.

[TWITfromURANUS]

On the front of The Sun yesterday: Daddy's brave little trooper --written under a picture of a 9 yr old girl crying at her dad's funeral. Inside, it talked of ; "murdered Army hero Darren Chant," & how, "Major Chant, known as Daz, will never know his unborn son..."

etc

This was all on the same page as we were told; "DETERMINED Barack Obama unleashed a massive military surge last night to finally win the Afghan war and help Our Boys on the front line."

[TWITfromURANUS]

--written just like that.

(BTW: I don't buy The Sun, I found it on a train¦:¬)

[Loreleila]

It's all quite nauseating. And transparent.

[Loreleila]

You should see some of the drivel I type when I'm not on the ball.

[TWITfromURANUS]

Careful now ... or you'll be getting called a conspiracy theorist! -Bloody ridiculous generalisation of a term that it is. I mean, people who don't think conspiracies happen are beyond hope ... not to mention ignorant about language. They're the type of people who think advertising, marketing, spin, etc, only works on OTHER PEOPLE. lol.

As Derren Brown said (paraphrased): 'Often the easiest people to manipulate are the ones that are so very sure that they cant be.'

[Loreleila]

Well one has to be put in a defined box or people won't know who or what you are, and that's scary because they have to be awake to relate to you. Of course beliefs about oneself are yet another box...

[TWITfromURANUS]

Most of the time it really doesn't bother me, but I'd just had a few days where it was getting to me a bit (because of various interactions, including someone who sent a PM saying something to the effect of; 'I liked some of your comments, but when I came to your channel, I realised that you're one of those nuts') ... it happens periodically. Then I got this PM with link to your video & I suppose I just went into a 'venting mode' ... which is partly why I came back with something more pertinent.

[Loreleila]

Well everything you've said has been interesting so it's all fine with me. :)

[MrPainfullytrue]

I think your correct on all points.

I moved 250 miles from leeds to scotland...As soon as I watched scottish tv I noticed a lot of nationalist flag waving....I then realised it was the same in England, I just thought it was the normal til I moved here.I'm not surprized other nationalities think we hate them.

...or should I say,I'm not surprized 'some' do hate other nationalities.

It is a form of mind control to the point of influence..but is it on purpose or just a bi-poduct of media.....?

[Loreleila]

It's definitely much easier to notice something when taken out of ones 'norm'.

As to your question I couldn't say for sure. There definitely seems to be a trend manifesting, but to say who or why it has been set going would be speculative. Is it the deaths of all those young men for no reason, guilt on the part of those who sent them there? Is it the desire to push towards war so the economy can be massaged into life again? I do think it's on purpose, but not sure of the why.

[MrPainfullytrue]

I think it's a reflection of how easy people are too influence....very easy.

[TheAntiTerrorist]

Not quite awake yet but certainly in that twilight period of sleep/awakening, when you are conscious enough to pinch yourself in order to ascertain whether or not you are dreaming.

Good job. Coffee waiting.

[Loreleila]

Thanks. Hope the coffee worked.

[raindog951]

Well the only option the powers have now is to ferment and invent a world war three scenario. They're broke, bankrupt, there're too many people, obvious answer is a war. Either that or invent a flu to kill off enough people.....

[Loreleila]

Good point. Then again they could face reality....but when have the powers that be ever done that?

[raindog951]

Yes....It's enough to make you believe the conspiracy theories :-(

[ThePointlessPoint]

noticed?

you mean the ever-increasing, overwhelming, unrelenting, stench of bullshit?

I might have . . .

what's it to you?

;]

[Loreleila]

lol Yes, that.

[Kabuki0009]

Hay it's war time, you can either burn the flag or wave it high *****stars; )

[Loreleila]

Stupid flag. Thanks. :)

[phekwig]

I didn't notice the increase in nationalistic fervour, being in another country and avoiding TV and most media...

That said, it looks to me like someone or the government is trying to manipulate the public towards thinking that war is OK and patriotism is good, when it's really not right, war is wrong, and the loss of one life because of it is too much of a loss! This topic makes me feel ill just thinking about it...

[Loreleila]

This topic makes me want to shove the reality in peoples faces so it can't just be perpetuated while everyone either looks the other way or gets all fired up about how fabulous it is to kill people not quite like themselves.

[imthoughtlessforever]

Nationalism & Patriotism seems to be everywhere these days either in countries or religions. I really hate the idea that people support criminals just because they are nationalist or part of the same religion. Let's do away with old tribal ideas.

In the words of Bill Hicks:

"I hate patriotism, I can't stand it. It's a round world last time I checked."

[Loreleila]

Exactly. And hey. :)

[stanburdman]

ahaha fervour is an funnie word,

[Loreleila]

lol I guess it is.

[philipsmovies]

You've got it spot on. Thanks for illumiating us. Yes, i have been noticing this since September 11th 2001 and in retrospect further back to the start of The Industrial Revolution.

[Loreleila]

Thanks Philip. Yes, the threads run way back.

[patternsinchaos]

"I just can't look, it''s killing me, they're taking control"

(The Killers)

A cipher for their music from "Mr. Brightside"

[Loreleila]

They can weave their mist,

their fantasies,

but it doesn't make them real.

The difficulty is in

how to reveal.

[lapislazuline]

so you,re talking about"The Sun" and "Britains got talent" and "Robert Kilroy Silk" mind rotting tosh to rile up

the terminally half-witted.....if afghans

want to grow opium let them if they

don,t someone else will

[Loreleila]

I don't object to a bit of harmless tosh. I wouldn't want everything to have to be all right on and pc. But making killing or being killed something to be proud of is a step too far.

[lapislazuline]

yeah but it,s dumbing down,scraping the barrel,selling-out, stupid aspirational get rich quick flim-flam

[Loreleila]

Flim-flam. What a good word. :)

[Mrwrinkleintime]

... Maybe we should have female armies only for 100 years and see how that works out.... What changes do you think we might see... Oh I know that could never be ... But just imagine...

[Loreleila]

There would be no need....

[lapislazuline]

but what about marge thatcher? she,d climb in a tank at the drop of a hat

[Loreleila]

I rest my case.

[yeahwotevaman]

On facefook there used to be groups called 'soldiers are not heros' and 'fuck the troops'. Both of these groups were deleted.

[Loreleila]

Please, provide me with a link to facefook. :P With my record for typos I probably shouldn't say that....

The slaves must defend their slavery at all costs. Otherwise they will see how they have been used, and that would be too much to bear.

[yeahwotevaman]

T'be sure, that typo would make the vicar blush if he read it in a mancunian accent.

[Loreleila]

Or an Irish accent. lol

[yeahwotevaman]

Cannon fodder are not heros.

[Loreleila]

No they are not. What makes it so difficult is those who've lost someone in such a way. To speak the truth, that their life was lost for no good reason, would feel like an insult, a knife to the heart. And so the myth is perpetuated.

[yeahwotevaman]

It'll all be over by christmas, lads. The fairy lights on the christmas tree of Freedom must be powered by widow's tears, honorable sacrifice, and so on...

[hellavadeal]

For the millatary industrial complex to excist it requires an enemy. the threat or created threat must be there to convence the people that they are acting in their interest. That is why the international banking elites fund both sides. The media has always been a propaganda tool.

Fear is the real enemy. If no threat excists they will creat one.

Intelagent people understand one world , but Government is never the right way to acheave it. Liberty belongs to all. Gov. is not for that.

[Loreleila]

Indeed.

[Serge165]

Nationalism, get your nationalism here! order now and you'll also get this free Christ concciousness in-a-box!

[Loreleila]

And a bit of tinsel thrown in for good measure.