You say "I'm more complex than that" (with what strikes me as a cute pretentious tone) indicating that you find yourself deeper than the prime Christian symbol. You follow up this statement by asking "why the Cross" (you also address this question to "theists" as if the cross were the official symbol of them all). How can you know you are more complex than something you do not understand?
Some comedians (Bill Hicks and I think a few others) have raised similar points about this. If Jesus had died more recently, would they have used a little sniper rifle as a symbol? Or maybe an electric chair? Of course not. It'd be tasteless. There's no difference with the cross, it's an equally poor choice as a symbol. It just highlights how obsessed Christians are with torture, death, and suffering.
Nadia , The cross is a symbol that God loved us so much , He sent his son to die for us . That our sins were paid , Jesus took our place on the cross . when I see the cross I'm so thankful for God's love and mercy . And what is so Amazing is that if you our me were the only ones on Earth Jesus would of still suffered and Died for us . When I see the cross I do gst sad about the horriable death Jesus went through . But over joyed also because he rose from the dead , And knowing he loves me .
Why would god need a blood sacrifice in order to forgive sins? Why couldn't he just do it? Think about it. God saw that the world was full of sin, so he creates himself in human form, so that he can die and impress himself enough in order for him to forgive the sins of human kind. Doesn't that sound just a little fucking stupid?
yea.. let me get this straight jand. so god is perfect and still he sent his son to die instead of going there himself. how nice of him.. oh wait! he is everywhere. i guess he is there when innocent ppl die and innocent children die... how nice of him shuve your god up your ass and when you die tell him Hugo Tiago Carvalho Correia told him to go TO HIS OWN HELL! ATheism=Reason. SHOW ME EVIDENCES OF YOUR GOD! show me he is real if you do i still wont convert why?couz if he exists he is CRUEL!
When I was a Christian, it always bothered me that we all had to worship a dying man on a cross. Seems to me that any religion that focuses that much on torturous execution is really a religion of death. A death-cult.
I prefer living without religion. It's much easier on the knees, the mind, and the wallet.
the fish symbol was made thousands of years before christ, Sumerian, I think, for the God Dagon. As for the Crucifix as the symbol of Christianity, my belief for where it came from is this; when soldiers died in far off lands thousands of years ago, they were buried and their graves marked by their swords shoved into it. The blade is the long part, the hilt crosses the T. Think about it. Anyway you put it, to use it as a symbol of eternal life is ridiculous.
@theScytheofGod Sorry, I know this comment is a year old but... what the fuck are you saying? The cross is an implement of torture and execution. What don't you get about that? Crucifixion was a common punishment in the time Jesus was supposed to have lived. No need to talk of swords on warriors graves to explain the symbol.
If you go into my channel you'll see that I don't bother trying to knocking sense into the mentally retarded (AKA theists), I just mock them and suggest that they should be locked up in mental hospitals and stay there until they all die off.
1. I like to use racism in my jokes and I love blacks. Just because you say nigger in a joke does not mean you are a racist, it just means that you don't hold up political correctness as the holy fucking grail.
2. I have a reduce reuse recycle shirt and I hate hippies. I am just a child of the 80's and that shit was preached to me every day and I agree with it.
3. The cross is a symbol of the trials and tribulations of what Christ went though. I think it is a reminder that he died to save us and that we should remain pious. Essentially it is a symbol of guilt.
I love the fact that you assume I am Christian just because I have an opinion on why they use it as a symbol. Maybe you should do some research and look at my channel, I am an Atheist. I have done my research. This is a martyr complex - this is serious mental illness
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT
Yeah I know that is why I said, "Essentially it is a symbol of guilt." or do you have your head too far up your ass so read an entire comment?
No, but the question was why do Christians use this as their symbol and to them he is real. When asked a question one must think in an unbiased manner. That is just what I was doing. You can't just spend your life screaming "fuck you stupid Christian," if you want to debate someone that has that strong of a belief you have to understand how they think. There is nothing wrong with listening to both sides of an argument before making a decision on what you believe or tearing down others
for what they believe. If you look into it there were only (if I recall correctly) 2 historical references to Christ and even another "messiah" walking around in the time of Christ. If the Christians of the time were going to start a religion, do you really think they are just going to make everything up? No, of course not, they would mix real history with embellished stories. So, was there a man named Jesus? Probably not, but I am sure the story was based off someone.
Sure there are about a dozen reasons why a person would believe in god. Fear of death, to explain why bad things happen, lack of personal inner strength, and I'm sure more and more. Look your question really seems to be why so many people believe in Christ. This can be explained by stating that the single most significant transition from polytheism and deism to monotheism was the rather innovative idea of creating an over-arching church, to define and distribute their beliefs.
Christ just happened to be the focal point of the first religion to beat the curve. because of the cohesion of such an institution what they in effect did was create an entire population that carried not just a religions belief, but an entire culture that spanned political lines and regions. Much like what assembly lines did for the industrial revolution the church did for religion. They had an unprecedented ability to distribute their product. Ipso facto tons of people believe in Christ...
because, they grew up not in an environment of religion, but rather because that religion was part of their culture. From here I can refer you to Plato's Allegory of the Cave to explain why they would fall for it. Oh and if you don't know what the Allegory of the Cave is I recommend you do your research before you respond to this comment.
"A GREAT DEAL OF DATA?!?" I JUST GAVE YOU A GREAT DEAL OF DATA!!! Do you even read these? You give me one half formed sentance that is hardly more than a regurgitation of your original premise and I manage to pull three more paragraphs out after having to dicern what your queries actually were (because you didn't seem to know for sure.)All you can come back with is a cheap cop-out and promise to return with "information" previously unknown to uneducated dark-dwellers like myself....
The blood dries making a natural bandage covering the cut till it heals.
This is an evolutionary protection mechanism for the human body.
There is also an evolutionary protection mechanism for the human mind.
"Belief" is a bandage for the human mind when it experiences discomfort.
All humans that have ever lived have had special neural circuitry in the temporal part of the frontal lobe that kicks in when that person experiences trauma.
No one has ever shown god, but they might kill you over it, they'll kill blacks over it, gays, people that worship a different god ... indeed, mothers have drown their own children. That's how important this bandage is, that's how much power this bandage has on the human mind.
Now ... to see how powerful, try and stop believing, ... most people can't ... or many say they feel fear at being alone in this giant universe. God fixes anything people can't deal with.
You were fighting an ally. Even after he told you that, you kept going.
This bandage bizz is just that. A bandage to cover your mistake. Yes, this shit gets read after a year. Hope you go back and read the whole conversation.
Well thanks for getting back to me about all these points.
It was fun reading the comments again.
Just thought of an adjunct to the cave allegory.
Handing reason to the religious is like handing Avatar 3D glasses to those in Plato's cave. A new vision of the world awaits, if they have the courage to try it on.
Pretty clunky right? Well, it did just spring to mind, so don't be too harsh. Maybe you can rework it into something more pithy. (Yes, I said pithy. Haha.)
There were no contemporary references to Jesus. All citings were well after his death.
But I disagree about his historicity. On the balance of evidence I would say there probably was a real historical figure called Jesus. No way to prove it though.
1. Using 'nigger' in your jokes doesn't make you murderously racist, it just makes you casually racist. You may say you love blacks but I bet they don't like those jokes. No one with common sense agrees with PC interference in daily life. I guess I would have to hear your jokes to say anything further.
I have many black and Mexican friends and I don't have a problem saying "racist" jokes around them. Also, I don't mind them saying honky or cracker, because we understand one another and know that its not meant maliciously. I am not casually racist as one would have to dislike that race. I like what my brother said about racism, "Douche bags come in many different colors." that about sums up my feelings on the subject.
Yes, I dislike hippies. Dirty, smelly, jobless, hippies. Its mostly a joke. I do agree with the "green" movement, but not to the extent that a lot of people do. That is another debate though.
"Like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on. 'Just thinkin' of John, Jackie, just thinkin' of John... Kuuh, kuuh, kuuh' "
I saw a video where someone was upset at I think it was gay pride or something outside a church. This is a church with a cross on it. An instrument of torture and death. The Knights Templar would spit on the cross.
For centuries the clergy of all faiths have employed symbolism, and since then Madison Ave. has mastered the art. Symbolism speaks directly to the collective unconsious, wheras hitherto religious skepits have only accessed the logical. Perhaps if a strong secular group would copiously use an archetypal symbol as their brand, the masses would find logic and facts easier to accept.
That's true, but beside the point. The fact is that branding has been shown to be very effective in spreading a meme. If it works for Nike, why not rationality?
Well, I'm sure I'm not the first person to point this out. Also I'm not a Christian.
But the reason the cross is sacred is that Jesus's death paid the price of sin (death) for the whole world. It is through this act that all the world can enjoy god's forgiveness. The only catch is that you must be able to believe a silly story. So to them, Jesus's death is a happy occurrence, though you'd think Easter sunday (when Jesus rose) would be happier. Maybe it's hard to make a symbol for that.
Watching your vid, within 2 minutes, I couldn't help but think of the great Bill Hicks.. Christ and Christians. Look it up on YT if you haven't already.. ;)
Oh, here: watch?v=mHey5g56CIs
More: watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk
Watch the first 30 mins of Zeitgeist for the best answer about the cross.
Atheists, or at least pro-science people do have a symbol: The fish with legs. Which incidentally came up only because some christians do use the fish on their bumper stickers.
(2)Eleanor Gaddon traces a "Cult of the Fish Mother" as far back as the hunting and fishing people of the Danube River Basin in the sixth millennium B.C.E. Christians later adopted and rotated 90-degrees to serve as their symbol. ;)
(1)The fish symbol was well known before Christianity, as "the Great Mother," a pointed oval sign, the "vesica piscis" or Vessel of the Fish. "Fish" and "womb" were synonymous terms in ancient Greek,"delphos." Its link to fertility, birth, feminine sexuality and the natural force of women was acknowledged also by the Celts, as well as pagan cultures throughout northern Europe.
I realize that this is a controlled rant, but your being entirely literal. That's like describing the story of Moby Dick as a string of facts w/o exploring its deeper meanings. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your rants, but there is more to the story here. The deeper nature of Christianity has a mythological import, and it is this mythology which is also worthy of scrutiny, but you're just preaching to the choir I guess.
When r u gonna move away from all that dance music? -bothered me even on vid-
I hope, one day, to master Calculus, and when that happens, my symbol will become Pi, and I will get it tattooed on my left bicep. I wonder if, perhaps, one could get started a Lincolnian movement whose symbol is a revolver.
"If Jesus had been killed 20 years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little Electric Chairs around their necks instead of crosses"...Lenny Bruce
Hah, hah! Good commentary. At least the Catholics get a few points for making the point more explicit. And yeah, the nails in the palms is a pure fabrication by early Italian painters. Despite the sanitized artwork, the crucified were ordinarily pinned through the wrists for the very reasons you mention. You're pretty bright for a chick; especially one at least half-way cute ;)
Re. your little side note: Actually, the whole idea of the romans using a nail is probably just made up. Nails were expensive, so usually the romans would simply tie the crucifee (and yes, I know that's not a word) to the cross with a rope.
But had they used nails, you would be absolutely correct.
after through-the-palms crucifixion was tested and shown to be impossible, some people claiming to have supernatural stigmata started having them through their wrists. :P
saw it years back, can't recall exactly where to save my life, but i think it was on an educational tv channel. they used cadavers. nails through the palms tore right out. but through the wrist bones, or in between the arm bones, didn't tear through. i'm sure others have done their own tests as well. gotta dig around on google and find it again.
Nailed to the cross for several days, Jeebus suddenly and excitedly starts yelling for Peter.. "Peter, Peter come quickly". Peter runs over, kneels and asks "Yes, what is it my Lord"? Jeebus says "Dude, I can see your house from here".
they use it as a reminder, because christians believe that christ had to die for them to be saved, so without him dying on the cross they wouldnt have access to heaven. and also, you cant judge people the way you say, for instance, I somehow doubt you fit the steriotypical stripper image, your much too smart and fiery eyed. not that i have anything against stripping.
How about you have a contest to offer a new christian symbol. My suggestion would be a question mark with the number 50. Reason for question mark is obvious; number 50 would represent IQ.
I've had the same thoughts nadia. As a child, at my aunt home, I would look at their cross, the little statue of the bloody tormented thorned crowned version and I would think... These people are really freaky. Seriously, who has that as decoration in a home with children? I mean could you imagine if the Lincoln monument was Lincoln in a theater seat a second after the bullet entered his brain? geee only the morbid and unquestioning...
Bill Hicks had a similar joke, comparing christians who wear the cross to JFK. Saying Jesus' reaction is like going up to Jackie O with a Sniper Rifle pendant on.
The cross of the zodiac was a pagan symbol that was later adopted by Christianity. Watch this short clip taken from the "Zeitgeist" film: watch?v=6c2Q9QHurGU
What if you use racial epithets in your jokes in order to insult racists? You can do that very, very easily, and it happens regularly.
Some christians think Jesus was pierced in his wrist. Coincidentally, those who think Jesus was pierced in the wrist have "stigmata" on their wrist, while the rest have it on their palm. I guess Jesus doesn't want to offend their religious sensibilities while torturing them.
To answer your question as to "why the cross" there isn't a Christian alive today who was around when the choice was made that could tell you. I'm not a Christian but I think its pretty simple to see the cross as a symbol of willingly making sacrifices for your fellow man. At least that was the intended message at one time.
i always thought it was messed up that they worship the device that killed their messiah...and thousands of other poor bastards...but hey, that's marketing for you...
If Jesus had been executed a little later by, say, a firing squad, perhaps Christians would be wearing a little rifle on a chain around their necks. It would be called the holy gun. So let's all bang for Je-zus!
You made me think about that famous picture of a chinese student standing in front of 4 tanks during the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989.
You could make all kinds of cool jewellry from that. Just think... a pair of bracelets: a little golden man on one end, followed by 4 chainlinked tanks and the other bracelet would have similar tanks followed by a flat puddle shaped ruby.
Oh, and similar t-shirts would look a bit cooler than "Jesus loves me".
I've read that the fish symbol evolved from an earlier religion's fertility symbol (hint: turn it 90°)
Also, if a prisoner were tied to a cross, then nails could be driven anywhere as their purpose would be a back-up to prevent the prisoner from wiggling out of the ropes. Just a thought.
I'm sorry if it appeared as if I endorsed that explanation. I don't, considering that my source was one of those proponents of the "Jesus is really Horus the Sun god" theory. I just thought it made a hilarious "what if" scenario that the 2nd most famous symbol of Christianity was really a female genitalia turned on its side. I can pretend, can't I?
The crucifix is only displayed in Catholic churches. Protestants use the cross. You mention both. He's no longer on that cross. He is risen!
Protestants use the cross as a symbol of what it represents. Without Christ's death on the cross, his blood would have not been shed in place of our sins. That is why the cross is so important. It reminds us of redemption and that Jesus is no longer on that cross but alive! :)
You say "I'm more complex than that" (with what strikes me as a cute pretentious tone) indicating that you find yourself deeper than the prime Christian symbol. You follow up this statement by asking "why the Cross" (you also address this question to "theists" as if the cross were the official symbol of them all). How can you know you are more complex than something you do not understand?
This video made me a little dizzy.
ASealUponThineHeart 1 year ago
We want to remember our lord and what he went through. Jesus' blood shedding on the cross made it holy. But hey, What do you know
ChristianMartyrs 1 year ago
Oh brother. This chick makes me less concerned about antitheists than ever. Not too bright.
revelinabandon 1 year ago
ignorant
xxxPiratePrincessxxx 2 years ago
i don't think she is ignorant pirate...
RaitoDenki 2 years ago 3
Some comedians (Bill Hicks and I think a few others) have raised similar points about this. If Jesus had died more recently, would they have used a little sniper rifle as a symbol? Or maybe an electric chair? Of course not. It'd be tasteless. There's no difference with the cross, it's an equally poor choice as a symbol. It just highlights how obsessed Christians are with torture, death, and suffering.
XionXi 2 years ago 3
Nadia , The cross is a symbol that God loved us so much , He sent his son to die for us . That our sins were paid , Jesus took our place on the cross . when I see the cross I'm so thankful for God's love and mercy . And what is so Amazing is that if you our me were the only ones on Earth Jesus would of still suffered and Died for us . When I see the cross I do gst sad about the horriable death Jesus went through . But over joyed also because he rose from the dead , And knowing he loves me .
JandH1993 2 years ago
Why would god need a blood sacrifice in order to forgive sins? Why couldn't he just do it? Think about it. God saw that the world was full of sin, so he creates himself in human form, so that he can die and impress himself enough in order for him to forgive the sins of human kind. Doesn't that sound just a little fucking stupid?
XionXi 2 years ago 2
yea.. let me get this straight jand. so god is perfect and still he sent his son to die instead of going there himself. how nice of him.. oh wait! he is everywhere. i guess he is there when innocent ppl die and innocent children die... how nice of him shuve your god up your ass and when you die tell him Hugo Tiago Carvalho Correia told him to go TO HIS OWN HELL! ATheism=Reason. SHOW ME EVIDENCES OF YOUR GOD! show me he is real if you do i still wont convert why?couz if he exists he is CRUEL!
RaitoDenki 2 years ago 2
When I was a Christian, it always bothered me that we all had to worship a dying man on a cross. Seems to me that any religion that focuses that much on torturous execution is really a religion of death. A death-cult.
I prefer living without religion. It's much easier on the knees, the mind, and the wallet.
aajoeyjo 3 years ago 3
I'm gonna start my own religion and my symbol is going to be the electric chair.
Or maybe I should go with the guillotine or the gallows
What do you guys think?
technologysucks 3 years ago
i think (i know ur joking) i would slap your face off since we dont need more religions for more religious wars thank you...
RaitoDenki 2 years ago
the fish symbol was made thousands of years before christ, Sumerian, I think, for the God Dagon. As for the Crucifix as the symbol of Christianity, my belief for where it came from is this; when soldiers died in far off lands thousands of years ago, they were buried and their graves marked by their swords shoved into it. The blade is the long part, the hilt crosses the T. Think about it. Anyway you put it, to use it as a symbol of eternal life is ridiculous.
theScytheofGod 3 years ago
@theScytheofGod Sorry, I know this comment is a year old but... what the fuck are you saying? The cross is an implement of torture and execution. What don't you get about that? Crucifixion was a common punishment in the time Jesus was supposed to have lived. No need to talk of swords on warriors graves to explain the symbol.
Your final sentence actually makes sense.
entwood 2 years ago
I'm an atheist too, but you need to do some research.
UnspokenInsult 3 years ago
If you go into my channel you'll see that I don't bother trying to knocking sense into the mentally retarded (AKA theists), I just mock them and suggest that they should be locked up in mental hospitals and stay there until they all die off.
AnotherYTTroll 3 years ago
The reasons you are wrong:
1. I like to use racism in my jokes and I love blacks. Just because you say nigger in a joke does not mean you are a racist, it just means that you don't hold up political correctness as the holy fucking grail.
2. I have a reduce reuse recycle shirt and I hate hippies. I am just a child of the 80's and that shit was preached to me every day and I agree with it.
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
3. The cross is a symbol of the trials and tribulations of what Christ went though. I think it is a reminder that he died to save us and that we should remain pious. Essentially it is a symbol of guilt.
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
Just a little reminder .... christ was not a real person.
No such person *ever* existed ... so "christians" worship a mythical guy on a stick!
This is a martyr complex - this is serious mental illness
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT
Do not respond to this comment UNTIL you GO and DO RESEARCH ... Good place to get the real story **American Atheist Website***
(They won't lie to you ... which seems to be no problem at all for many theists)
msginca 3 years ago
I love the fact that you assume I am Christian just because I have an opinion on why they use it as a symbol. Maybe you should do some research and look at my channel, I am an Atheist. I have done my research. This is a martyr complex - this is serious mental illness
SNAP THE FUCK OUT OF IT
Yeah I know that is why I said, "Essentially it is a symbol of guilt." or do you have your head too far up your ass so read an entire comment?
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
In "3." ... you talk about christ and his "Tribulations" as if he were real, and all of those "Tribulations" actually happened ... ???
So you're an atheist who thinks christ was real?
msginca 3 years ago
No, but the question was why do Christians use this as their symbol and to them he is real. When asked a question one must think in an unbiased manner. That is just what I was doing. You can't just spend your life screaming "fuck you stupid Christian," if you want to debate someone that has that strong of a belief you have to understand how they think. There is nothing wrong with listening to both sides of an argument before making a decision on what you believe or tearing down others
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
for what they believe. If you look into it there were only (if I recall correctly) 2 historical references to Christ and even another "messiah" walking around in the time of Christ. If the Christians of the time were going to start a religion, do you really think they are just going to make everything up? No, of course not, they would mix real history with embellished stories. So, was there a man named Jesus? Probably not, but I am sure the story was based off someone.
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
Ok ... are you aware of why a human being would worship a mythical man(one of about a dozen 'savior gods') ... all mythical.
msginca 3 years ago
Sure there are about a dozen reasons why a person would believe in god. Fear of death, to explain why bad things happen, lack of personal inner strength, and I'm sure more and more. Look your question really seems to be why so many people believe in Christ. This can be explained by stating that the single most significant transition from polytheism and deism to monotheism was the rather innovative idea of creating an over-arching church, to define and distribute their beliefs.
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
Christ just happened to be the focal point of the first religion to beat the curve. because of the cohesion of such an institution what they in effect did was create an entire population that carried not just a religions belief, but an entire culture that spanned political lines and regions. Much like what assembly lines did for the industrial revolution the church did for religion. They had an unprecedented ability to distribute their product. Ipso facto tons of people believe in Christ...
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
because, they grew up not in an environment of religion, but rather because that religion was part of their culture. From here I can refer you to Plato's Allegory of the Cave to explain why they would fall for it. Oh and if you don't know what the Allegory of the Cave is I recommend you do your research before you respond to this comment.
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
I need to make a video about this.
There's a great deal of data that no one seems to be aware of regarding 'belief' and the physiology that allows/causes it.
btw - thanks for the 5*****s on 'Hour of Faith'
msginca 3 years ago
"A GREAT DEAL OF DATA?!?" I JUST GAVE YOU A GREAT DEAL OF DATA!!! Do you even read these? You give me one half formed sentance that is hardly more than a regurgitation of your original premise and I manage to pull three more paragraphs out after having to dicern what your queries actually were (because you didn't seem to know for sure.)All you can come back with is a cheap cop-out and promise to return with "information" previously unknown to uneducated dark-dwellers like myself....
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
If you're so enlightened then enlighten me here and now. PWN!
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
PS This is fun and I really like your video. Best luck on the next one, I'll look forward to it.
Shadoweaver111 3 years ago
(1 of 3)
If you cut yourself -- you bleed
The blood dries making a natural bandage covering the cut till it heals.
This is an evolutionary protection mechanism for the human body.
There is also an evolutionary protection mechanism for the human mind.
"Belief" is a bandage for the human mind when it experiences discomfort.
All humans that have ever lived have had special neural circuitry in the temporal part of the frontal lobe that kicks in when that person experiences trauma.
msginca 3 years ago
(2 of 3)
No one has ever shown god, but they might kill you over it, they'll kill blacks over it, gays, people that worship a different god ... indeed, mothers have drown their own children. That's how important this bandage is, that's how much power this bandage has on the human mind.
msginca 3 years ago
(3 of 3)
Now ... to see how powerful, try and stop believing, ... most people can't ... or many say they feel fear at being alone in this giant universe. God fixes anything people can't deal with.
I hope this was helpful. Good luck to you!
msginca 3 years ago
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msginca 3 years ago
You were fighting an ally. Even after he told you that, you kept going.
This bandage bizz is just that. A bandage to cover your mistake. Yes, this shit gets read after a year. Hope you go back and read the whole conversation.
entwood 2 years ago
After such an eloquent argument... How could you stoop to "PWN!"?
entwood 2 years ago
I can stoop to the word PWN because, when I can't get my point across, I tend to get a bit sarcastic/satirical.
Shadoweaver111 2 years ago
Well thanks for getting back to me about all these points.
It was fun reading the comments again.
Just thought of an adjunct to the cave allegory.
Handing reason to the religious is like handing Avatar 3D glasses to those in Plato's cave. A new vision of the world awaits, if they have the courage to try it on.
Pretty clunky right? Well, it did just spring to mind, so don't be too harsh. Maybe you can rework it into something more pithy. (Yes, I said pithy. Haha.)
Cheers.
entwood 2 years ago
There were no contemporary references to Jesus. All citings were well after his death.
But I disagree about his historicity. On the balance of evidence I would say there probably was a real historical figure called Jesus. No way to prove it though.
entwood 2 years ago
3. Better put than any preacher or layman I've ever heard.
entwood 2 years ago
1. Using 'nigger' in your jokes doesn't make you murderously racist, it just makes you casually racist. You may say you love blacks but I bet they don't like those jokes. No one with common sense agrees with PC interference in daily life. I guess I would have to hear your jokes to say anything further.
entwood 2 years ago
I have many black and Mexican friends and I don't have a problem saying "racist" jokes around them. Also, I don't mind them saying honky or cracker, because we understand one another and know that its not meant maliciously. I am not casually racist as one would have to dislike that race. I like what my brother said about racism, "Douche bags come in many different colors." that about sums up my feelings on the subject.
Shadoweaver111 2 years ago
2. You hate hippies?
What are you, Oscar the grouch? At least you agree with re-cycling, whatever drove you there.
entwood 2 years ago
Yes, I dislike hippies. Dirty, smelly, jobless, hippies. Its mostly a joke. I do agree with the "green" movement, but not to the extent that a lot of people do. That is another debate though.
Shadoweaver111 2 years ago
"Like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on. 'Just thinkin' of John, Jackie, just thinkin' of John... Kuuh, kuuh, kuuh' "
I saw a video where someone was upset at I think it was gay pride or something outside a church. This is a church with a cross on it. An instrument of torture and death. The Knights Templar would spit on the cross.
stevebritgimp 3 years ago
Hmmm, have ever watched any of Bill Hicks stand up? Becuase he had some of the same views.
LordMalice6d9 3 years ago
For centuries the clergy of all faiths have employed symbolism, and since then Madison Ave. has mastered the art. Symbolism speaks directly to the collective unconsious, wheras hitherto religious skepits have only accessed the logical. Perhaps if a strong secular group would copiously use an archetypal symbol as their brand, the masses would find logic and facts easier to accept.
JoeyMarvelous07 3 years ago
This video raises an interesting question: Does perhaps the lack of symbolism borne by the unbeliever stunt the idea's marketability?
JoeyMarvelous07 3 years ago
It's the default people are born with. It's not a fashion statement.
sy1234 3 years ago
That's true, but beside the point. The fact is that branding has been shown to be very effective in spreading a meme. If it works for Nike, why not rationality?
JoeyMarvelous07 3 years ago
Thank you
ksp62562 3 years ago
graphic and gross but truthful.......
RantingGuru 3 years ago
Well, I'm sure I'm not the first person to point this out. Also I'm not a Christian.
But the reason the cross is sacred is that Jesus's death paid the price of sin (death) for the whole world. It is through this act that all the world can enjoy god's forgiveness. The only catch is that you must be able to believe a silly story. So to them, Jesus's death is a happy occurrence, though you'd think Easter sunday (when Jesus rose) would be happier. Maybe it's hard to make a symbol for that.
OneAndOnlySnob 3 years ago
Isn't the crucifix a "graven image" anyway?
2nd commandment and all that?
Oh well, logical consistency and christianity have never really gone together all that well.
middlekk 3 years ago
recycle clothes ... hmm ...
sw33tb0y77 3 years ago
Watching your vid, within 2 minutes, I couldn't help but think of the great Bill Hicks.. Christ and Christians. Look it up on YT if you haven't already.. ;)
Oh, here: watch?v=mHey5g56CIs
More: watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk
Watch the first 30 mins of Zeitgeist for the best answer about the cross.
Rolomax 3 years ago
Christians should get updated and use an electric chair or a lethal injection.
VoicesintheHead 3 years ago
lol
Solarees 3 years ago
Atheists, or at least pro-science people do have a symbol: The fish with legs. Which incidentally came up only because some christians do use the fish on their bumper stickers.
Brandt761 3 years ago
you are so funny hahaha
jessacunt 3 years ago
This was wonderful, Nadia. When do you go home?
nicanicabad 3 years ago
in my RE class we had a bobbly headed jesus, lol
Erech01 3 years ago
(2)Eleanor Gaddon traces a "Cult of the Fish Mother" as far back as the hunting and fishing people of the Danube River Basin in the sixth millennium B.C.E. Christians later adopted and rotated 90-degrees to serve as their symbol. ;)
cyberaquarius 3 years ago
(1)The fish symbol was well known before Christianity, as "the Great Mother," a pointed oval sign, the "vesica piscis" or Vessel of the Fish. "Fish" and "womb" were synonymous terms in ancient Greek,"delphos." Its link to fertility, birth, feminine sexuality and the natural force of women was acknowledged also by the Celts, as well as pagan cultures throughout northern Europe.
cyberaquarius 3 years ago
I realize that this is a controlled rant, but your being entirely literal. That's like describing the story of Moby Dick as a string of facts w/o exploring its deeper meanings. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your rants, but there is more to the story here. The deeper nature of Christianity has a mythological import, and it is this mythology which is also worthy of scrutiny, but you're just preaching to the choir I guess.
When r u gonna move away from all that dance music? -bothered me even on vid-
premed411 3 years ago
good stuff!
rozeboosje 3 years ago
You took the words right out of my mouth! One look at there "symbol" fucking spells it out! Run for your life! its the tortured dead guy religion!
rudican 3 years ago
To be fair the Hindu's have three swords on their symbol, but not even they go a far as having a torture implement.
WizardJim 3 years ago
The Hindu symbol is the word Om written in sanskrit script.
renaissance21wiseguy 3 years ago
Oh yeah, sorry I was thinking of Sikhs.
WizardJim 3 years ago
How many buildings have a dead man nailed to the outside of them?
"Oh yes we love Jesus ... that's him up there"
Danmill23 3 years ago
Jesus steps out of a divine translocator gate, looks around, and says: "Holy shit, fuckers, is this somekind of sick joke or something?"
XGralgrathor 3 years ago 3
I hope, one day, to master Calculus, and when that happens, my symbol will become Pi, and I will get it tattooed on my left bicep. I wonder if, perhaps, one could get started a Lincolnian movement whose symbol is a revolver.
lazyperfectionist1 3 years ago
Marry me, please.
SadisticMonkey336 3 years ago
"If Jesus had been killed 20 years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little Electric Chairs around their necks instead of crosses"...Lenny Bruce
KasparHauser4 3 years ago 3
They should just be glad he wasn't drowned. Imagine walking around with an aquarium hanging from your neck.
rozeboosje 3 years ago
Hah, hah! Good commentary. At least the Catholics get a few points for making the point more explicit. And yeah, the nails in the palms is a pure fabrication by early Italian painters. Despite the sanitized artwork, the crucified were ordinarily pinned through the wrists for the very reasons you mention. You're pretty bright for a chick; especially one at least half-way cute ;)
MoEnzyme 3 years ago
Re. your little side note: Actually, the whole idea of the romans using a nail is probably just made up. Nails were expensive, so usually the romans would simply tie the crucifee (and yes, I know that's not a word) to the cross with a rope.
But had they used nails, you would be absolutely correct.
Other than that: Great video :)
CapnOrdinary 3 years ago
Heh heh. I have a symbol and you don't! Neener neener neener.
My symbol is a nice pizza pie.
RobertlewisIR 3 years ago
another bit of info about the stigmata:
after through-the-palms crucifixion was tested and shown to be impossible, some people claiming to have supernatural stigmata started having them through their wrists. :P
drakeblackhorn 3 years ago
Ummm...I'm kind of afraid to ask, but when and how did they test through-the-palms cricifiction and on whom?
Brandt761 3 years ago
saw it years back, can't recall exactly where to save my life, but i think it was on an educational tv channel. they used cadavers. nails through the palms tore right out. but through the wrist bones, or in between the arm bones, didn't tear through. i'm sure others have done their own tests as well. gotta dig around on google and find it again.
drakeblackhorn 3 years ago
they actually showed the bodies being crucified? gross
Brandt761 3 years ago
can't recall if they actually showed the bodies or not, but they described the process well enough for a good mental picture.
drakeblackhorn 3 years ago
Nailed to the cross for several days, Jeebus suddenly and excitedly starts yelling for Peter.. "Peter, Peter come quickly". Peter runs over, kneels and asks "Yes, what is it my Lord"? Jeebus says "Dude, I can see your house from here".
SofaKingLoaded 3 years ago 3
You will notice jesus didn't sit after the resurrection --all those splinters.
NEWSTOGOD 3 years ago
yes He did sit...but nice try
josiahdallas 3 years ago
Do true... I just think it's in really bad taste...Then again, Christianity is all about the human sacrifice...
Atheistblindchick 3 years ago
My symbol is a cookie!
bwhahrhr 3 years ago 2
they use it as a reminder, because christians believe that christ had to die for them to be saved, so without him dying on the cross they wouldnt have access to heaven. and also, you cant judge people the way you say, for instance, I somehow doubt you fit the steriotypical stripper image, your much too smart and fiery eyed. not that i have anything against stripping.
lithaine 3 years ago
never thought about it like that. it is kinda weird. why not a big nail?
achampag 3 years ago
How about you have a contest to offer a new christian symbol. My suggestion would be a question mark with the number 50. Reason for question mark is obvious; number 50 would represent IQ.
NEWSTOGOD 3 years ago
I've had the same thoughts nadia. As a child, at my aunt home, I would look at their cross, the little statue of the bloody tormented thorned crowned version and I would think... These people are really freaky. Seriously, who has that as decoration in a home with children? I mean could you imagine if the Lincoln monument was Lincoln in a theater seat a second after the bullet entered his brain? geee only the morbid and unquestioning...
RosieDesire 3 years ago 2
rofl
Brandt761 3 years ago
Remind me to make a vid about the history, mythology and symbolism of the pope's mitre.
It'll be another Silly Hat vid. ;)
simplydaft 3 years ago
Bill Hicks had a similar joke, comparing christians who wear the cross to JFK. Saying Jesus' reaction is like going up to Jackie O with a Sniper Rifle pendant on.
RomanPhilosopher 3 years ago
maybe, if the guy was a roman citizen, it would be an axe or something (beheading was for citizens)
nihilusmaster 3 years ago
The cross of the zodiac was a pagan symbol that was later adopted by Christianity. Watch this short clip taken from the "Zeitgeist" film: watch?v=6c2Q9QHurGU
TheDude0fLife 3 years ago
What if you use racial epithets in your jokes in order to insult racists? You can do that very, very easily, and it happens regularly.
Some christians think Jesus was pierced in his wrist. Coincidentally, those who think Jesus was pierced in the wrist have "stigmata" on their wrist, while the rest have it on their palm. I guess Jesus doesn't want to offend their religious sensibilities while torturing them.
rowsdowersavesus 3 years ago
:D :D :D
Brandt761 3 years ago
To answer your question as to "why the cross" there isn't a Christian alive today who was around when the choice was made that could tell you. I'm not a Christian but I think its pretty simple to see the cross as a symbol of willingly making sacrifices for your fellow man. At least that was the intended message at one time.
Napalm66 3 years ago
Before I became an atheist, I was told it was to remind me of the price paid for my sins...
That's like hanging a shotgun on the mantle, if you ask me...
thinkmorepink 3 years ago
If they're a recycling hippy, there's a good chance they smoke weed. Hit them up for a jay.
It's worked for me.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
i always thought it was messed up that they worship the device that killed their messiah...and thousands of other poor bastards...but hey, that's marketing for you...
C0ct0pus 3 years ago
Why don't they ever remember Spartacus? he and his followers were crucified long before christ was
TrueNorth15 3 years ago
If Jesus had been executed a little later by, say, a firing squad, perhaps Christians would be wearing a little rifle on a chain around their necks. It would be called the holy gun. So let's all bang for Je-zus!
Largo64 3 years ago 4
rofl.
nadiaTeeze 3 years ago
You made me think about that famous picture of a chinese student standing in front of 4 tanks during the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989.
You could make all kinds of cool jewellry from that. Just think... a pair of bracelets: a little golden man on one end, followed by 4 chainlinked tanks and the other bracelet would have similar tanks followed by a flat puddle shaped ruby.
Oh, and similar t-shirts would look a bit cooler than "Jesus loves me".
FaithIsImaginary 3 years ago
Well said...
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Katalyzt 3 years ago
How 'bout a fish nailed to a cross? A fish nailed to Jesus? Jesus nailing Mary Magdalene?
Edella 3 years ago
"Jesus nailing Mary Magdalene?"
I bet there's porn of that somewhere on the internet. I think I'll go look.
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
I love eating fish..well,catfish and eel lol great video,Nadia
Dalbert342 3 years ago
Oh my, indeed.
The fish mighta been a nice symbol but what about a shepherd's hook? Good for both reeling in new recruits and hauling televangelists off stage.
(Question: Why don't we pronounce shepherd "sheferd?")
Elaina43 3 years ago
I've read that the fish symbol evolved from an earlier religion's fertility symbol (hint: turn it 90°)
Also, if a prisoner were tied to a cross, then nails could be driven anywhere as their purpose would be a back-up to prevent the prisoner from wiggling out of the ropes. Just a thought.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
No, I think its from ICHTUS which is a acronym for the greek for "Jesus Christ yada yada", but also the greek word for "fish".
rozeboosje 3 years ago
I'm sorry if it appeared as if I endorsed that explanation. I don't, considering that my source was one of those proponents of the "Jesus is really Horus the Sun god" theory. I just thought it made a hilarious "what if" scenario that the 2nd most famous symbol of Christianity was really a female genitalia turned on its side. I can pretend, can't I?
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
The crucifix is only displayed in Catholic churches. Protestants use the cross. You mention both. He's no longer on that cross. He is risen!
Protestants use the cross as a symbol of what it represents. Without Christ's death on the cross, his blood would have not been shed in place of our sins. That is why the cross is so important. It reminds us of redemption and that Jesus is no longer on that cross but alive! :)
AmericanWayne 3 years ago
"He's no longer on that cross. He is risen!"
By "risen" I assume you mean "turned to dust and blown away."
Desertphile 3 years ago
LOL--no-the yeast worked-he is risen! ;-)
nicanicabad 3 years ago
"LOL--no-the yeast worked-he is risen! ;-)"
Jesus is a leavened cheesy cracker! And he lives under my bed.
Desertphile 3 years ago
After you clean up after 'you know' you shouldn't through the tissue (sock?) under your bed! ;-D
nicanicabad 3 years ago
I KNEW that cracker was going to end up being important!
andrewrberkshire 3 years ago
maybe yeast was used at some point???
Erech01 3 years ago
O.o'
FullOfFail 3 years ago