Gee your back shouldn't be hurting at 16. I have no idea but i think its cause you twist your back too much after you bowl to the other side. Try coming to the wicket more front on perhaps and not twisting your back too much - just have more of a front on action all round - as opposed to a wippy, sling-shot action
at delivery stride clear your left leg just a little bit to the left and your body will be facing teh stumps more head on and then the arm will come down straigter too. have a look atthis video i made of my bowling which shows what im talking about:
hi there - just saw your video. you seem to be twisting your back around the point of the spine just before delivery thats causing the pain - a mixed action of side and front on. you must avoid this or you'll pick up a serious injury. you seem to have decent natural pace so i wud suggest trying to run in and working on slamming down the bowling arm straight - avoiding a sling that ends up at 1st slip.
Difficult to see with the angle, but it's almost certainly to do with the position of your front arm. If your feet are planting you in a very side-on position, but your front arm extends in line with say first slip, then you will be torturing your back by twist as you deliver. Basically if your back foot is square on try and have your front arm extend towards middle-and-off; the more straight it is, the more you have to adjust your front arm towards the slips. That should solve your problem.
Ferretyboy u really need to get a higher quality video & different angles, & play them on slow motion. But its defiantly not your front knee bending, that actually helps protect your back by acting as shock absorber. it could be a mixed front & side on action. or it could be as simple as not stretching and worming up properly, which can lead to permanent knots in your back (happened to my brother)
its hard to see your arm, but don't bring it above your shoulder before you swing it around to bowl
@Leighakin online we're all anonymous and what we claim is meaningless. To say my claims are exaggerated is as pointless as defending them without evidence.
@Leighakin then i gotta change my account again. I commented on this thread cause i liked the guys action. I look specifically at where his arm starts on the backfoot to where it is when he releases it. Unfortunately he gets no help from his torso
its probably because u have a fronty on side on mix bowling action which has well screwed up your back so you will need to either change it from front on to side on to help
how mate i used to suffer with the same problem im 13 and im a fast bowler its when you dont warm up your back and when you try bowl to fast
like i have the power behind me now for my age as im 6ft so try slowing down getting your actions right and a shorter run up and see how it feels then build up :)
Slow up your run up, you want to accelerate more through your delivery stride and exaggerate your follow through. Your coming in so fast and landing so hard it's no wonder your legs and back are buckling. This is taking a lot of your pace away as a result. Run up is for more for rhythm than pace. Your power comes at the crease.
I just posted the previous comment but I ran out of characters. I am currently writing a review article essay on low back pain in the fast bowler. Don't worry about your knee bending, that is good. If you don't bend it, you will place too much pressure on your spine, and again damage it. Just concentrate on adopting a side on, or front on technique.
There are three fast bowling techniques- Front on (hips and shoulders aligned, and facing down the pitch). Side on (shoulders and hips aligned, facing parralell to the pitch) and finally your action, the mixed action (this is with your hips paralell to the pitch, and twisting your trunk to face down the pitch during the delivery stride) this is the highest cause of lower back pain in fast bowlers. Use either front or side on techniques, but don't twist your trunk, it damages your 4-5th vertebra
i think that your feet position are side on but your body is not in line with your hips when u raise your arms up. at 0:02 your hips are in a side on position but your body is half between front on and side on. this puts extra stress on your back epsecially when your not fully grown
The landing seems all wrong, appears to be a lot of pressure coming down on your bowling foot, try 'gliding' through the crease a bit more and being relaxed in your follow through..it all seems hurried..
Ive studied this video for a while and the moment your in the air at 0:02 has caught my eye... To me it looks like your back is twisted right, if you look carefull, your forarm isnt doing a great job either.
1.Slow start - Fast end
2. Try not to jump as high as you can, back straight, arm straight.
Your follow-through isnt that good either, make sure your non-bowling arm doesnt stick forward. I hope I helped you, my back has started to hurt, Im a left handed off-break. Use plenty of heatspray
i thnk its ur run up.. im no expert.. but ideally.. u shud start with short steps...and as u get closer to the pitch..take long and quicker strides... brett lee has one of the most elegant actions in cricket.. im sure u'll find a video of him bowling.. try and learn from that
your crunching your spine in your upper back, is that where the pain is?
the rotation from the core (hips and above) is where the power should be coming from. as you release the ball you should come out of your action with your head and shoulders in front but the bend should be happening in your hips, so that your spine is straight.
I would say go to a proper bowling clinic and get proper advice - the chances of you getting wrong, potentially dangerous advice here is pretty high!!
im a 16 year old fast bowler too, i play for middlesex and i had the same problem, i went to pakistan and got it fixed, if ur a front on bowler ur right foot is not supposed to be going across, everything has to go in a straight line. keep ur upper body a straight as possible without bending over to the side. this has NOTHING to do with ur run up, dont take adivce from people on youtube, u dont even have to take mine, go to a 1st class coach.
i agree with Broady08, kind of. You do bend your back alot, but i think the distance between your feet (at 3 seconds) is too small, so you bending your back and this means you look like you get really, reeeally compact, which may cause you some pain. Just don't change your action too much, because it looked very technically correct.
youve got a good run up, good rhythm, good release and good follow through, only thing i can think off would be, as powderwombat said, your hip position, or your the direction of your legs with relation to your upper body. action looks really good, best bet would be, like someone said before, bowl fully side on or fully front on. i bowl fully front on and get a fuckton of outswing, so its not really a disadvantage, though it would tend to reduce your speed. just slow it down
Im a coach and tbh most of the responses here are wrong.
Its not about how you jump, its about which direction your hips and shoulders are pointing during your delivery stride and release.
If theyre not pointing in the same direction, you're gonna have problems, but seriously, teenagers usually get back problems especially if theyre very fast, cause it adds a lot of stress to their backs.
Bowling is a very un natural movement for the body, if u want more help msg me as im over the char limit.
I'm only 15 and i have similar problems... coaches always tell me i run in to fast and that i dont follow through properly after the delivery, try not rising so quickly directly after you have bowled the delivery. Those were the 2 things wrong with my action and yours looks the same, hope that could help.
The noly problems I see are your not bending your back all the way thru and thats going to hurt a fair bit, that was my first problem.
Secondly, legs are straight and your upper body is bending all over the place. Need to try and either change your leg placement or your yupper body placement so everything work as 1 not against each other.
But other then that you look like you could be a real good bowler
my back kills wen i bowl n all, some-one told me that when u mix a straight on action (flintoff, ntini) with a side on action (mgcrath, anderson) then this is when back injuries occur, so when your bottom half is straight, and your top half is twisted, or visa-versa, you get back problems. but im prety crap at bowling tbh
well mate, i'm 15 at the moment and i have a very relaxed bowling action and can still generate some good wheels.... really what i see with your action is that you bend ur back alot (look at about 3 seconds) try and stay more upright ;) see what happens and get back to me (Y)
I would just like to make the comment to some earlier comments that the amount of swing you get is mainly determined by your wrist position at the point of delivery and nothing else.
If you think about it, how could anything else affect swing.
Its the arm placement in relation to the body that affects the position of your wrist for the two swinging directions.
Think about it, the hand, which is controlled by the wrist is the only part of the body in contact with the ball.
How could it be anything else?
Still feel free to discard my advice if how you feel about it works for you.
In terms of cutters, my rather simple advice would be too mentally focus on the finger needed to 'cut' or push against the seam at the moment of delivery.
im 15 and did the same thing. it will be a stress fracture and its coz ur mixed. the only way around it is to either slow down change to front on which is easy with coaching or do what i did and get completly side on. its alot harder because of rythem. however if u get it right u can bowl fast and get outswing which will take more wickets. and instead of lifting ur back foot in the delivery stride drag it. trust me bro this needs to be done if you take ur cricket seriously.
its hard to tell anything from ur video but normally ur back hurts when u r trying to bowl fast with no rythm and balance, take some rest and avoid bowling till it stops to hurt.
hard to say. Its not easy to see on this video but you seem quite low when you release the ball.Your back is hunched a lot. Im no expert, but I think if you are in a taller position when you release the ball, it will be better. Also, NZ cricket tells coaches that young guys your age shouldnt be bowling at full pace. Damage to your back when your still growing cant be fixed easily.
Focus on your core
zhj354rjd 2 months ago
Cant really tell from this video but you might need to get your hips and shoulders in line through the whole bowling action
cperfitt123 2 months ago
Gee your back shouldn't be hurting at 16. I have no idea but i think its cause you twist your back too much after you bowl to the other side. Try coming to the wicket more front on perhaps and not twisting your back too much - just have more of a front on action all round - as opposed to a wippy, sling-shot action
ikadir18 7 months ago
u might have a mixed action i think your legs are front on and your body is side on
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altafhssn14 10 months ago
at delivery stride clear your left leg just a little bit to the left and your body will be facing teh stumps more head on and then the arm will come down straigter too. have a look atthis video i made of my bowling which shows what im talking about:
sjamil18 10 months ago
hi there - just saw your video. you seem to be twisting your back around the point of the spine just before delivery thats causing the pain - a mixed action of side and front on. you must avoid this or you'll pick up a serious injury. you seem to have decent natural pace so i wud suggest trying to run in and working on slamming down the bowling arm straight - avoiding a sling that ends up at 1st slip.
sjamil18 10 months ago
if u back hurts u have to stop playing cricket, maybe u are not built for it.. fast bowlers need strong bodies...
kevinqew 11 months ago
Difficult to see with the angle, but it's almost certainly to do with the position of your front arm. If your feet are planting you in a very side-on position, but your front arm extends in line with say first slip, then you will be torturing your back by twist as you deliver. Basically if your back foot is square on try and have your front arm extend towards middle-and-off; the more straight it is, the more you have to adjust your front arm towards the slips. That should solve your problem.
jamessgray2010 1 year ago
Ferretyboy u really need to get a higher quality video & different angles, & play them on slow motion. But its defiantly not your front knee bending, that actually helps protect your back by acting as shock absorber. it could be a mixed front & side on action. or it could be as simple as not stretching and worming up properly, which can lead to permanent knots in your back (happened to my brother)
its hard to see your arm, but don't bring it above your shoulder before you swing it around to bowl
Leighakin 1 year ago
you look quick, This comes from a person who has reached 147km/h and ripped on many many vids of amateurs trying to claim exaggerated speeds.
negooog 1 year ago
@negooog Lol claims as exaggerated as yours?
Leighakin 1 year ago
@Leighakin online we're all anonymous and what we claim is meaningless. To say my claims are exaggerated is as pointless as defending them without evidence.
negooog 1 year ago
@negooog : Not really, because if you bowled 147Km/h you would have been playing for your country or at very least your state team.
Leighakin 1 year ago
@Leighakin I have:)
negooog 1 year ago
@negooog really? Congratulations, whats your name?
Leighakin 1 year ago
@Leighakin then i gotta change my account again. I commented on this thread cause i liked the guys action. I look specifically at where his arm starts on the backfoot to where it is when he releases it. Unfortunately he gets no help from his torso
negooog 1 year ago
@negooog then why don't you send me a quick personal message so only i can read it? ;) were you a bowler or all-rounder?
Leighakin 1 year ago
its probably because u have a fronty on side on mix bowling action which has well screwed up your back so you will need to either change it from front on to side on to help
mentalltdisturbed101 1 year ago
shorten your strides slightly
92robbieb 1 year ago
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hawty0boy 1 year ago
stretch properly, bowl slowly to get your eye in and action the same every time, then gradually get quicker during practise
waspsrugbydude151410 1 year ago
how mate i used to suffer with the same problem im 13 and im a fast bowler its when you dont warm up your back and when you try bowl to fast
like i have the power behind me now for my age as im 6ft so try slowing down getting your actions right and a shorter run up and see how it feels then build up :)
stokepkmedia9 1 year ago
i think u get back because of ur mixed action and ur followthrough.....and dont try to push too hard cuz ur still 16!!
nitheen1 1 year ago
@27charisma, Yeah sure, LOL
zeesham13 1 year ago
why the long run up thats so slow
theuglyhairmonster 1 year ago
Slow up your run up, you want to accelerate more through your delivery stride and exaggerate your follow through. Your coming in so fast and landing so hard it's no wonder your legs and back are buckling. This is taking a lot of your pace away as a result. Run up is for more for rhythm than pace. Your power comes at the crease.
captaingreybeard 2 years ago
It's because your falling over as you bowl and twisting your back making you look down I played it in slo mo.
TheChristmasdinner 2 years ago
lol i just the read the side comment...so u do get back injuries. keep ur shoulders upright
kictodd 2 years ago
it was pretty good...but do you get back injuries?....if u do it's because u need to work on ur follow through
kictodd 2 years ago
harden the fuck up
Jetpilot1011 2 years ago
i lold
JustTooAussie 2 years ago
i would say as your bowl the ball you stretch your back to much maybe try being more upright when you deliver the ball
cheezie760 2 years ago
I just posted the previous comment but I ran out of characters. I am currently writing a review article essay on low back pain in the fast bowler. Don't worry about your knee bending, that is good. If you don't bend it, you will place too much pressure on your spine, and again damage it. Just concentrate on adopting a side on, or front on technique.
pricebuster 2 years ago
There are three fast bowling techniques- Front on (hips and shoulders aligned, and facing down the pitch). Side on (shoulders and hips aligned, facing parralell to the pitch) and finally your action, the mixed action (this is with your hips paralell to the pitch, and twisting your trunk to face down the pitch during the delivery stride) this is the highest cause of lower back pain in fast bowlers. Use either front or side on techniques, but don't twist your trunk, it damages your 4-5th vertebra
pricebuster 2 years ago
i think that your feet position are side on but your body is not in line with your hips when u raise your arms up. at 0:02 your hips are in a side on position but your body is half between front on and side on. this puts extra stress on your back epsecially when your not fully grown
boomersurf 2 years ago
running in 2 fast ifu get one foot out of place that could fuck up the delivery
ollz1223 2 years ago
i think that the crucial error is that you are training in ur whites
cgubbs 2 years ago
Fantastic. That comment was so true. Seriously man, great! hahaha
fgfgetert 2 years ago
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benlovessanandreas 2 years ago
My View..
The landing seems all wrong, appears to be a lot of pressure coming down on your bowling foot, try 'gliding' through the crease a bit more and being relaxed in your follow through..it all seems hurried..
maxlogica 2 years ago
Ive studied this video for a while and the moment your in the air at 0:02 has caught my eye... To me it looks like your back is twisted right, if you look carefull, your forarm isnt doing a great job either.
1.Slow start - Fast end
2. Try not to jump as high as you can, back straight, arm straight.
Your follow-through isnt that good either, make sure your non-bowling arm doesnt stick forward. I hope I helped you, my back has started to hurt, Im a left handed off-break. Use plenty of heatspray
Mazza4Azza 2 years ago
d jump..n d footing seems t be d issue...
jaidagr8 2 years ago
i thnk its ur run up.. im no expert.. but ideally.. u shud start with short steps...and as u get closer to the pitch..take long and quicker strides... brett lee has one of the most elegant actions in cricket.. im sure u'll find a video of him bowling.. try and learn from that
kushal58 2 years ago 2
try to make your action more smooth and controled. like glenn macgraths. or jimmy andersons. slow down ya run up. and focus on the line of the ball.
gunflyer22 2 years ago
i think u should slow down your run up, work on your rythem not just raw pace
montypanesar111111 2 years ago
good action and like the run up and approach .........just work on strength exercises and flexiblity of muscles in the back........
donraj71 2 years ago
your crunching your spine in your upper back, is that where the pain is?
the rotation from the core (hips and above) is where the power should be coming from. as you release the ball you should come out of your action with your head and shoulders in front but the bend should be happening in your hips, so that your spine is straight.
tunwilk 2 years ago
try a bit of a slinging action so your back is bent upright see how that goes ...
08money80 2 years ago
I would say go to a proper bowling clinic and get proper advice - the chances of you getting wrong, potentially dangerous advice here is pretty high!!
Good luck, looks like you're got some good pace.
tannedstamina 3 years ago
Just try and stay more upright thru the delivery/release, your left leg collapses and your back arches forward. Get higher!
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sunnidais 3 years ago
that is some extreme curve in your back. I'm no expert but that looks bad. Try to keep your back flat, and use hip flexion instead maybe.
Also maybe do some back extensions and deadlifts to strengthen your lower back and posterior chain.
funk192 3 years ago
im a 16 year old fast bowler too, i play for middlesex and i had the same problem, i went to pakistan and got it fixed, if ur a front on bowler ur right foot is not supposed to be going across, everything has to go in a straight line. keep ur upper body a straight as possible without bending over to the side. this has NOTHING to do with ur run up, dont take adivce from people on youtube, u dont even have to take mine, go to a 1st class coach.
hassan1992 3 years ago
i agree with Broady08, kind of. You do bend your back alot, but i think the distance between your feet (at 3 seconds) is too small, so you bending your back and this means you look like you get really, reeeally compact, which may cause you some pain. Just don't change your action too much, because it looked very technically correct.
HansMoleman6 3 years ago
youve got a good run up, good rhythm, good release and good follow through, only thing i can think off would be, as powderwombat said, your hip position, or your the direction of your legs with relation to your upper body. action looks really good, best bet would be, like someone said before, bowl fully side on or fully front on. i bowl fully front on and get a fuckton of outswing, so its not really a disadvantage, though it would tend to reduce your speed. just slow it down
n3m005 3 years ago
Im a coach and tbh most of the responses here are wrong.
Its not about how you jump, its about which direction your hips and shoulders are pointing during your delivery stride and release.
If theyre not pointing in the same direction, you're gonna have problems, but seriously, teenagers usually get back problems especially if theyre very fast, cause it adds a lot of stress to their backs.
Bowling is a very un natural movement for the body, if u want more help msg me as im over the char limit.
Powderwombat 3 years ago 2
ur prolly a predator stalkin the kid..
fraud1980 3 years ago
I'm only 15 and i have similar problems... coaches always tell me i run in to fast and that i dont follow through properly after the delivery, try not rising so quickly directly after you have bowled the delivery. Those were the 2 things wrong with my action and yours looks the same, hope that could help.
MatPlaysAussieRules 3 years ago
your run up is waaaaay to fast man.. slow it down and you might find you bowl faster
iceborn21 3 years ago
The noly problems I see are your not bending your back all the way thru and thats going to hurt a fair bit, that was my first problem.
Secondly, legs are straight and your upper body is bending all over the place. Need to try and either change your leg placement or your yupper body placement so everything work as 1 not against each other.
But other then that you look like you could be a real good bowler
warrenroby 3 years ago
my back kills wen i bowl n all, some-one told me that when u mix a straight on action (flintoff, ntini) with a side on action (mgcrath, anderson) then this is when back injuries occur, so when your bottom half is straight, and your top half is twisted, or visa-versa, you get back problems. but im prety crap at bowling tbh
garymarz2008 3 years ago
well mate, i'm 15 at the moment and i have a very relaxed bowling action and can still generate some good wheels.... really what i see with your action is that you bend ur back alot (look at about 3 seconds) try and stay more upright ;) see what happens and get back to me (Y)
Broady08 3 years ago
I would just like to make the comment to some earlier comments that the amount of swing you get is mainly determined by your wrist position at the point of delivery and nothing else.
If you think about it, how could anything else affect swing.
Stirlingsays 3 years ago
Not necesserily, I have always bowler seem up with a straight wrist. My swing comes from my arm placement.
Slightly away from my head gives me outswing and a straight arm gives me inswing. All with accuracy.
Not picking fights here, just saying.
But you seem to know a bit so I might ask you for some help with the off and leg cutters. I asked my coaches quite a few times and got nothing back!
Could you help?
warrenroby 3 years ago
Its the arm placement in relation to the body that affects the position of your wrist for the two swinging directions.
Think about it, the hand, which is controlled by the wrist is the only part of the body in contact with the ball.
How could it be anything else?
Still feel free to discard my advice if how you feel about it works for you.
In terms of cutters, my rather simple advice would be too mentally focus on the finger needed to 'cut' or push against the seam at the moment of delivery.
Stirlingsays 3 years ago
Ok
What a great run up.
Still I would say that you are leaping too high initially.
I would advise you too leap more forward than upwards. This would lessen speed loss from the run up.
The main cause of your back pain, as I see it is the fact that your landing back leg is pointing sideways at the moment of delivery.
I would advise you learn to land this foot pointing towards the wicket.
This will reduce over rotation of your back.
It should also help you with your accuracy...it you need help.
Stirlingsays 3 years ago
im 15 and did the same thing. it will be a stress fracture and its coz ur mixed. the only way around it is to either slow down change to front on which is easy with coaching or do what i did and get completly side on. its alot harder because of rythem. however if u get it right u can bowl fast and get outswing which will take more wickets. and instead of lifting ur back foot in the delivery stride drag it. trust me bro this needs to be done if you take ur cricket seriously.
howisdatone 3 years ago
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clarliam05 3 years ago
its hard to tell anything from ur video but normally ur back hurts when u r trying to bowl fast with no rythm and balance, take some rest and avoid bowling till it stops to hurt.
wali3k 3 years ago
hard to say. Its not easy to see on this video but you seem quite low when you release the ball.Your back is hunched a lot. Im no expert, but I think if you are in a taller position when you release the ball, it will be better. Also, NZ cricket tells coaches that young guys your age shouldnt be bowling at full pace. Damage to your back when your still growing cant be fixed easily.
salje52 3 years ago